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MORDECHAI VANUNU: I am Mordechai Vanunu, the man behind the publicized article from October 5, 1986. The article was about Israel’s nuclear weapons. I was kidnapped in Rome, Italy, by Israeli spies the. I was brought to Israel, arrived at the prison on October 7. I was here -- I am here in this prison from October 7, 1986 to today. I was in cruel barbaric conditions kept by the Israeli spies. This prison is guided and controlled by the shin bet. I'm proud and happy that I did what I did. I'm proud and happy that I did what I did. All of this blah blah blah about secrets is not the case. My case is the article that was published. There is no more secrets. The secrets are published in the hands of all of the world. All of the world, 187 city had the secrets. The secrets are revealed. I'm able now to start my life.

AMY GOODMAN: Mordechai Vanunu, holding his news conference as he walked out of prison today after 18 years. He worked as a nuclear technician at Damona, Israel’s secret nuclear installation from 1976 to 1985. Mordechai Vanunu worked there at a time when Israel was insisting that it would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East. What Vanunu discovered was that Israel was developing an extensive nuclear program, hiding its existence from the Israeli people, the parliament and the world. The Damona facility where Vanunu worked had an underground plutonium separation plant operating in strictest secrecy. He grew troubled as he realized his work was part of Israel’s nuclear bomb program. In 1985, before leaving Dmona, he took extensive photographs inside the factory. Traveling through Asia with the film in his backpack, Vanunu made his way to Sydney, Australia, where he converted to Christianity, joined an Anglican church and social justice community where he shared the story of his nuclear background. The London "Sunday Times" learned of his story and sent a report to Sydney. The newspaper flew him to England where his photos and facts were checked by British scientists familiar with nuclear weapons. Vanunu's story published on October 5, 1986, gave the world its first authoritative confirmation that Israel had become a nuclear -- major nuclear weapons power with material for as many as 200 nuclear warheads of advanced design. The days before the story was published on September 30, 1986, Vanunu was lured to Rome by a female mow sad agent where he was kidnapped, drugged and put on an Israeli cargo vessel. In Israel, he was charged with treason and espionage. His trial was conducted in total secrecy and he was sentenced to 18 years in prison. As he walked out of the prison, he was met by his adoptive parents, Nick and Mary Eloff. Mary joins us on the phone from Israel. Welcome to Democracy Now!.

MARY EOLOFF: We're thrilled to listen to your program.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, can you tell us -- can you describe the scene when Mordechai Vanunu walked out of prison, your adoptive son?

MARY EOLOFF: The scene was that at once joyous and at once hideous, because there were many, many, many Jewish hecklers there that were screaming and taunting and saying vicious, vicious things to him. They were next to the prison gate, and we, with all of the supporters of Mordechai were behind the fence. We had to stay behind the fence. We were -- a man was blowing a trumpet and people were saying, peace, Shaalom and I love you, Mordechai. There was a lot of good, good noise coming across, but right in front of the police were the hecklers.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you describe who the supporters were, who the supporters are?

MARY EOLOFF: Yes, there were supporters from at least ten countries, Japan Germany, England, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Holland, the United States of course, were there in great numbers. They did a wonderful job of bringing people to the prison. People came from Jerusalem and Nazareth in buses. It was just a glorious, glorious thing.

AMY GOODMAN: And where is Mordechai Vanunu right now?

MARY EOLOFF: He's in Jerusalem. The bishop has given him sanctuary.

AMY GOODMAN: Who is he?

MARY EOLOFF: He's the Anglican bishop of Jerusalem. His brother really felt that he was not secure. Israel leaked the address of the place where he was going to live. It was in the front page of the newspapers yesterday. You can imagine that, that they -- that the atmosphere in this country that they would reveal the address of the place where he was going to live? We felt he couldn't possibly go there, so, he asked Bishop Ryan and the bishop agreed to give him sanctuary.

AMY GOODMAN: Mary Eoloff, how did you come to be Mordechai Vanunu's adoptive mother?

MARY EOLOFF: It was the leader of the U.S. Campaign to free Mordechai and he had written an article in the Progressive magazine in Madison, Wisconsin. I read the story and I thought, it couldn't be, it had to be the dark ages. There was a 6 by 9 windowless cell and there was a plastic barrier. I discovered that he was a hero, that he had revealed that Israel had been -- had a nuclear reactor at Damona. At the end of the article, Sam said, you could write to him. We began a correspondence in 1995. Then out of frustration, because the political process wasn't working, all of the thousands of petitions that went to President Clinton were never answered, Nick and I felt, we'll adopt him and bring him to the United States, even if he has to be in prison, that's a way to get him out of Israel.

AMY GOODMAN: Then what happened?

MARY EOLOFF: Well, what happened was that we went to parole hearing after parole hearing in which they said he still had secrets. Mordechai was only a technician. He wasn't a scientist. Everything that he could reveal, the secrets that he had were the forms that they -- they couldn't let him go. They wanted to break him.

AMY GOODMAN: We're also joined on the telephone by a coordinator of the U.S. Campaign to free Mordechai Vanunu. You, too, were in Eschkelon?

FELICE COHEN-JOPPA:That's right. I was there today and actually was near the gate when Mordechai was released, and was able to see him when he did allow a huge number of press people in for this conference and watched Mordechai give his press conference. Then he was allowed to come up to the edge of the gate. He flashed peace signs to the crowd on the outside. When he got in his car later on with his brothers and his nephew and drove out, he pressed his palm against the glass, which is of course, how in 1986 he let the world know that he was kidnapped from Rome by writing a message on his palm on the way to court in the back of a police van. It was really very moving.

AMY GOODMAN: That is the most famous picture of Mordechai Vanunu putting up his hand at the back of the police van. Can you tell us what it said at the time?

FELICE COHEN-JOPPA:It gave the information that said Kidnapped and it gave the flight number from Rome -- from London to Rome, which when he was lured by Cindy, this mossad agent and they flew together to Rome, no one knew for a month what happened to him. His family thought perhaps he had been killed because they knew he was taking this risk. That was the first inkling, really, that we had that he had in fact been in custody in Israel for that month.

AMY GOODMAN: I'd like to ask you both to stay on the line for one minute as we take our break. We're talking to Felease Collin-Joppa, talking about the U.S. Campaign to free Mordechai Vanunu, and Mary Eloff, the adoptive mother of Mordechai Vanunu who has been just released from prison after 18 years. This is Democracy Now!, and Democracynow.org. We'll be back in a minute.

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! And Democracynow.org, The War and Peace report. I'm Amy Goodman. We broadcast over more than 220 radio and television stations around the United States, as well as radio stations across Australia and Canada, broadcasting video and audio streaming at Democracynow.org. We are traveling around the country in an "Exception to the Rulers" book and media tour, celebrating independent media. Tonight we will be in Los Angeles at the Emmanuel Presbyterian church at 3300 Wilshire Boulevard looking forward to seeing listeners of KPFK, celebrating the second Pacifica station. As we continue now on Mordechai Vanunu for just a minute and then we'll talk about the latest in Iraq. Mary Eloff, adoptive mother of Mordechai Vanunu released today after 18 years in prison. What are his plans?

MARY EOLOFF: He would like to lead a quiet life. We saw him Monday morning and he said, “I'd like to get married and just be part of society as an average person, able to walk down the street.” Monday, he was really in the depths. He said my heart is broken. He thought that freedom would mean that he would walk out and be free like the rest of us walking around here. I pray from this restriction for him is shortened. The attorneys are working on that as wells at Supreme Court. I would ask his supporters around the world to continue to send him energy and prayers and thought. I'm convinced that it has given him strength. I would personally like to thank all of us with him today.

AMY GOODMAN: Felice Cohen-Joppa, the restrictions now are --

FELICE COHEN-JOPPA: We hear, some of them are being lifted, such as we believe that now he will be able to meet with foreigners, so the international delegation will be able to meet with him. Amy, it's really important for us to realize that Israel by imposing the restrictions are building a special prison just for this one man it's an outrage and injustice that's not befitting for a democratic nation and we need to continue to do what Mordechai, you know, began, and gave so many years of his life for and that's continue to struggle for the abolition of nuclear weapons not only in the Middle East, but of course, the United States has more nuclear weapons than any other country. We need to abolish nuclear weapons around the world. For those of who you are in New York or watching -- or in Washington, D.C., listening in Boston, there are vigils all over the world, including in U.S. Cities in New York. If you go to www.vanunu.com, you can find out more information there.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you, Felice Cohen-Joppa as well as Mary Eloff, on today, the day that Mordechai Vanunu, the Damona technician has been released from prison after 18 years for spilling the secrets of Israel's nuclear weapons program.

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.

:shock:

A spy is a spy. even if he did good in the eyes of the country he betrayed he is a spy.
How you treat spys on the other hand is another question, many countries retain the right to execute them.

This guy got what the Rosenbergs shoulda gotten. With the exception of releasing him, of course. And the exception of the laughable prospect of him being "tortured" for 18 years, of course. Now, if the Israelies never released him and *had* done all that stuff, that'd be more apporopriate. :wink:

I'm suprised he left prison alive and didn't have a"run-in" with an "inmate".

There is a difference between a whistleblower and a spy/traitor. He may have released state secrets, but he was doing so because he felt that it was for the greater good that the world ought to know that Israel was violating a number of UN resolutions and international laws. He may have violated the laws of the state involved but in this case the state were doing something illegal.

There is a difference between a whistleblower and a spy/traitor. He may have released state secrets, but he was doing so because he felt that it was for the greater good that the world ought to know that Israel was violating a number of UN resolutions and international laws. He may have violated the laws of the state involved but in this case the state were doing something illegal.
As every state in the world does.

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.
wow you talk shit?!?
When Russian's broke away to tell the world about the programs the russians had people bounced around in joy. However when Israel (not the nation with the greatest human rights) hide a nuclear project and someone exposes it, people call him an evil traitor... says alot really "Our friends can break the rules as much as they want".
You see the west has helped develop Israels nuclear capability (now attached to their long ranged missile systems) but Israel hasn'tt signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty... hmmmmm I say, Go North Korea if Isreal is allowed so are you...
Sorry I trust Israel about as far as I could spit a rat, they are a rather radical country in a very radical region, and they shouldn't have been allowed nuclear weapons to start with! Other military kit they need like AA and tanks becouse lets face it they arn't in a happy place but nukes? no f-cking way! It only spells bad things... bad things indeed

8 years of torture would severly destabilize a man's mental well-being. I don't think you can take seriously a word that man says if he was really tortured for eight years.

Well even though he did turn on his own state, Vanunu should be respected as a whistleblower due to a little thing called nuclear non-proliferation

A spy is a spy. even if he did good in the eyes of the country he betrayed he is a spy.
How you treat spys on the other hand is another question, many countries retain the right to execute them.


He wasn't a spy, he was a traitor.

I actually think that it was, on balance, a good thing that he did.
However, he broke the laws of a nation and so should be punished. When I break the law, I accept my punishment. However, I think that the length and manner of his punishment was a bit extreme.

Vanunu did the right thing, lets not forget he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Also, for all pro-Israel people, think about it like this, since he exposed Israel's illegal WMD program, not a single Arab country has touched Israel since. You don't think this might of served as a little bit of a deterrent? I think it did. Regardless, the Israeli's should be forced to give up their WMD just like every other unstable country in the region. Any one who says Israel is stable, knows not what they are talking about.

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.

Like Jesus Christ--Vanunu was crucified for speaking truth to power. And like Christ he has been resurrected today

A spy is a spy. even if he did good in the eyes of the country he betrayed he is a spy.
How you treat spys on the other hand is another question, many countries retain the right to execute them.

he wasnt a "spy"-he simply said out loud what everyone in the entire world already knew

This guy got what the Rosenbergs shoulda gotten. With the exception of releasing him, of course. And the exception of the laughable prospect of him being "tortured" for 18 years, of course. Now, if the Israelies never released him and *had* done all that stuff, that'd be more apporopriate. :wink:

The Rosenbergs were killed because they were Jewish and living in the 1950s--Vanunu was tortured in jail for 18 years because he was a Jew who was persecuted by zionists just cause he spoke the truth

There is a difference between a whistleblower and a spy/traitor. He may have released state secrets, but he was doing so because he felt that it was for the greater good that the world ought to know that Israel was violating a number of UN resolutions and international laws. He may have violated the laws of the state involved but in this case the state were doing something illegal.
As every state in the world does.

still doesnt justify it

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.
wow you talk shit?!?
When Russian's broke away to tell the world about the programs the russians had people bounced around in joy. However when Israel (not the nation with the greatest human rights) hide a nuclear project and someone exposes it, people call him an evil traitor... says alot really "Our friends can break the rules as much as they want".
You see the west has helped develop Israels nuclear capability (now attached to their long ranged missile systems) but Israel hasn'tt signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty... hmmmmm I say, Go North Korea if Isreal is allowed so are you...
Sorry I trust Israel about as far as I could spit a rat, they are a rather radical country in a very radical region, and they shouldn't have been allowed nuclear weapons to start with! Other military kit they need like AA and tanks becouse lets face it they arn't in a happy place but nukes? no f-cking way! It only spells bad things... bad things indeed

Maybe you don't know this but unlike Russia Isreal needs those nukes. Russia has tried to enforce communism upon forighn people because they are imperialist assholes but Isereal has every single neighboring country wanting to destroy them. Also he was a traitor and deserved his punishment.

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.
wow you talk shit?!?
When Russian's broke away to tell the world about the programs the russians had people bounced around in joy. However when Israel (not the nation with the greatest human rights) hide a nuclear project and someone exposes it, people call him an evil traitor... says alot really "Our friends can break the rules as much as they want".
You see the west has helped develop Israels nuclear capability (now attached to their long ranged missile systems) but Israel hasn'tt signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty... hmmmmm I say, Go North Korea if Isreal is allowed so are you...
Sorry I trust Israel about as far as I could spit a rat, they are a rather radical country in a very radical region, and they shouldn't have been allowed nuclear weapons to start with! Other military kit they need like AA and tanks becouse lets face it they arn't in a happy place but nukes? no f-cking way! It only spells bad things... bad things indeed

Maybe you don't know this but unlike Russia Isreal needs those nukes. Russia has tried to enforce communism upon forighn people because they are imperialist assholes but Isereal has every single neighboring country wanting to destroy them. Also he was a traitor and deserved his punishment.

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

18 years in solitary confinement is torture

Vanunu was a traitor to Israel. For that, he ought to have been executed. It's as simple as that. Now get off your Anti-Republican, Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Anti-Israel bullshit.
wow you talk shit?!?
When Russian's broke away to tell the world about the programs the russians had people bounced around in joy. However when Israel (not the nation with the greatest human rights) hide a nuclear project and someone exposes it, people call him an evil traitor... says alot really "Our friends can break the rules as much as they want".
You see the west has helped develop Israels nuclear capability (now attached to their long ranged missile systems) but Israel hasn'tt signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty... hmmmmm I say, Go North Korea if Isreal is allowed so are you...
Sorry I trust Israel about as far as I could spit a rat, they are a rather radical country in a very radical region, and they shouldn't have been allowed nuclear weapons to start with! Other military kit they need like AA and tanks becouse lets face it they arn't in a happy place but nukes? no f-cking way! It only spells bad things... bad things indeed

Maybe you don't know this but unlike Russia Isreal needs those nukes. Russia has tried to enforce communism upon forighn people because they are imperialist assholes but Isereal has every single neighboring country wanting to destroy them. Also he was a traitor and deserved his punishment.

how was he a traitor by speaking the truth? is truth an enemy to israel?

Maybe you don't know this but unlike Russia Isreal needs those nukes. Russia has tried to enforce communism upon forighn people because they are imperialist assholes but Isereal has every single neighboring country wanting to destroy them. Also he was a traitor and deserved his punishment.

Maybe you don't know this, but Israel is a highly unstable country. Period! They can't be trusted with WMD. They assassinate people. They are unreasonable. They're at the moment extremist. They haven't always been, for example when Yitzhak Rubin was in charge, things were looking up. Sharon is a complete idiot and shouldn't be trusted with any thing let alone WMD.

Maybe you don't know this but unlike Russia Isreal needs those nukes. Russia has tried to enforce communism upon forighn people because they are imperialist assholes but Isereal has every single neighboring country wanting to destroy them. Also he was a traitor and deserved his punishment.

Maybe you don't know this, but Israel is a highly unstable country. Period! They can't be trusted with WMD. They assassinate people. They are unreasonable. They're at the moment extremist. They haven't always been, for example when Yitzhak Rubin was in charge, things were looking up. Sharon is a complete idiot and shouldn't be trusted with any thing let alone WMD.

Sharon and Bush is a marriage made in Hell

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Do you REALLY think that israel would bring out a totured man when it claims to be a victim? Do you think that would look GOOD? Wouldn't they just FIX him up so it doesn't look as bad as it is? i mean come ON...you think they just locked him up in a room for 18 years and thats it? pfffff.

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Do you REALLY think that israel would bring out a totured man when it claims to be a victim? Do you think that would look GOOD? Wouldn't they just FIX him up so it doesn't look as bad as it is? i mean come ON...you think they just locked him up in a room for 18 years and thats it? pfffff.

Not to mention 18 years ago the Israeli Mossad , actually went into Italy and kidnapped him. No, this was not part of any deal they made with Italy.. they outright broke International law and went into another country without their permission and kidnapped a man who had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, I'm sure he was treated very well by the Mossad and I'm sure he was welcomed with open arms by Israel once he was forced back into the country and interrogated for 2 years before he ever even seen the inside of a courthouse for trial. Yes, I'm sure he was treated wonderfully. :roll:

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Do you REALLY think that israel would bring out a totured man when it claims to be a victim? Do you think that would look GOOD? Wouldn't they just FIX him up so it doesn't look as bad as it is? i mean come ON...you think they just locked him up in a room for 18 years and thats it? pfffff.

Not to mention 18 years ago the Israeli Mossad , actually went into Italy and kidnapped him. No, this was not part of any deal they made with Italy.. they outright broke International law and went into another country without their permission and kidnapped a man who had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, I'm sure he was treated very well by the Mossad and I'm sure he was welcomed with open arms by Israel once he was forced back into the country and interrogated for 2 years before he ever even seen the inside of a courthouse for trial. Yes, I'm sure he was treated wonderfully. :roll:
Looks like he was.
I doubt that he was uncooperative during interrogation. The man is quite proud of what he did, and megalomaniac enough to take pride in being prosecuted. The very fact of him being released is totally unprecedented- what nuclear spy in what country has ever been released?
Nominating Vanunu for the Nobel Peace prize did not surprise me one bit. The world out there is insane, and the Nobel Peace prize routinely goes to people who are the most absurd choice possible. If Arafat can get a Nobel peace prize, I don't see why Vanunu can't :roll:

Remember why and with whom Arafat got the prize together with? But you're right of course, they never should have got it. Trying to blackmail people into being creative and find peaceful solutions never really work does it?

Remember why and with whom Arafat got the prize together with? But you're right of course, they never should have got it. Trying to blackmail people into being creative and find peaceful solutions never really work does it?
Trying to hijack the thread?
Yes, I remember who Arafat got his peace prize with. If you ask me, neither deserved it. The "peace" process simply wasn't.

What's with all the morons that are saying Vanunu was somehow in the right? He was an Israeli citizen who gave up Israeli state secrets. That quite clearly qualifies as treason. He should have been executed. It's like that piece of dog shit that gave up America's communication secrets and exact details of America's nuclear war plans during the Cold War. Who was that dirtbag, something Walker, right? Too bad he wasn't executed.. As for the Rosenbergs, they got what they deserved. It's just too bad that the dozens of traitors we've had since then haven't met a similar fate.
Anyhow, solitary confinement probably did this idiot a world of good. If he were in the general prison population, he probably would have been shanked in the showers. In the prison system, treasonous scumbags are probably at the same level as pedophiles.

Remember why and with whom Arafat got the prize together with? But you're right of course, they never should have got it. Trying to blackmail people into being creative and find peaceful solutions never really work does it?
Trying to hijack the thread?
Yes, I remember who Arafat got his peace prize with. If you ask me, neither deserved it. The "peace" process simply wasn't.

Me? No no, you guys go on. That was just a little in between since you brought it up...

Nothing to see here, move on.

Vanunu is, quite franky, full of crap.

You should have listened to his speech when he was out of prison. The guy is a megalomaniac who believes himself to be the world's savior, no more no less. I listened to his speech being broadcasted on radio, live, and I thought I was going to laugh my head off. He actually said about himself "I am the symbol of freedom". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Vanunu is no hero and no anti-nuclear weapons activist. He has been known by his extreme pro-Arab views since his studies in the Ben-Gurion university in Beer-Sheba. Despite that, he was allowed to work at the Dimona nuclear facility (Israel, you know, is one of those repressive, non-democratic states where a person's political views cannot prevent him from getting access to the state's most guarded secrets :roll:). He worked there for a fair bit of time, after which he decided to move abroad (which Israel did not try to prevent him from doing, either). After living abroad for years, his "conscience" suddenly decided to speak up? Give me a break. If his conscience was so sensitive, it would wake up a looooooooong time ago, and not in a curious coincidence with a 100 000 dollar offer in exchange for an interview. The only difference between him and your typical spy is that a typical spy sells his info to a secret service, and Vanunu sold his to the press. His "torture"- 18 years of solitary imprisonment- is pretty much what every other spy in the world goes through. Look at his picture. Does anyone see any signs of physical or mental torture on his face on any of his pictures? I find that it is an image of a healthy, well treated and well fed man with an oversized ego. Some "prisoner of conscience" :roll:

you support torturing someone with solitary confinement for 18 years just for saying something out loud what everyone already knew?
Does he look tortured to you?

Do you REALLY think that israel would bring out a totured man when it claims to be a victim? Do you think that would look GOOD? Wouldn't they just FIX him up so it doesn't look as bad as it is? i mean come ON...you think they just locked him up in a room for 18 years and thats it? pfffff.

Not to mention 18 years ago the Israeli Mossad , actually went into Italy and kidnapped him. No, this was not part of any deal they made with Italy.. they outright broke International law and went into another country without their permission and kidnapped a man who had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, I'm sure he was treated very well by the Mossad and I'm sure he was welcomed with open arms by Israel once he was forced back into the country and interrogated for 2 years before he ever even seen the inside of a courthouse for trial. Yes, I'm sure he was treated wonderfully. :roll:
Looks like he was.
I doubt that he was uncooperative during interrogation. The man is quite proud of what he did, and megalomaniac enough to take pride in being prosecuted. The very fact of him being released is totally unprecedented- what nuclear spy in what country has ever been released?
Nominating Vanunu for the Nobel Peace prize did not surprise me one bit. The world out there is insane, and the Nobel Peace prize routinely goes to people who are the most absurd choice possible. If Arafat can get a Nobel peace prize, I don't see why Vanunu can't :roll:

if you were ever in power youd make an excellent butcher

Remember why and with whom Arafat got the prize together with? But you're right of course, they never should have got it. Trying to blackmail people into being creative and find peaceful solutions never really work does it?
Trying to hijack the thread?
Yes, I remember who Arafat got his peace prize with. If you ask me, neither deserved it. The "peace" process simply wasn't.

Yitzhak Rabin was martyred by rightwing zionist nazis in Israel because he was on the verge of an historic peace

What's with all the morons that are saying Vanunu was somehow in the right? He was an Israeli citizen who gave up Israeli state secrets. That quite clearly qualifies as treason. He should have been executed. It's like that piece of dog shit that gave up America's communication secrets and exact details of America's nuclear war plans during the Cold War. Who was that dirtbag, something Walker, right? Too bad he wasn't executed.. As for the Rosenbergs, they got what they deserved. It's just too bad that the dozens of traitors we've had since then haven't met a similar fate.
Anyhow, solitary confinement probably did this idiot a world of good. If he were in the general prison population, he probably would have been shanked in the showers. In the prison system, treasonous scumbags are probably at the same level as pedophiles.

whats "secrets" are you hallucinating now? the world knew Israel had nukes for years

I would consider 18 years of solitary confinement to be generally a barbaric and torturous punishment. They could have at least given him a little company to pass two decades of time with. I am surprised he did not fall prey to the demons of lunacy....

Israel should of shot the ****er

Israel should of shot the ****er

Im sure the bloodthirsty Sharon wouldve liked to--hes addicted to killing

Um, TRA... nowhere in the interview you posted does the word "torture" appear.

Once again with the bullshit attention-grabbing post headlines, I see?

Remember why and with whom Arafat got the prize together with? But you're right of course, they never should have got it. Trying to blackmail people into being creative and find peaceful solutions never really work does it?
Trying to hijack the thread?
Yes, I remember who Arafat got his peace prize with. If you ask me, neither deserved it. The "peace" process simply wasn't.

Yitzhak Frankenthal, of Bereaved Parents Circle, once gave a lecture I attended. In it, he talked about being a confidant of Rabin, and how Rabin asked him to escort him 'down the asile' to accept the Nobel Peace Prize.

Frankenthal responded: "What peace?" :(

Yitzhak Rabin was martyred by rightwing zionist nazis in Israel because he was on the verge of an historic peace

It is true that he was murdered. It is debateable if he was martyred, OR if he was on the verge of a historic peace. He was certainly, in my opinion, operating with the best of intentions. I remain unconvinced as to whether Arafat ever intended to keep his word (since, you know, he didn't).