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In the bible, the enire world WAS flooded. Is this possible? Yes it is. Look at Europa, Jupiters moon.

Jim

How does Europa or the Jovian moons prove this. (I know next to nothing about Astronomy)

It is. However, it is very unlikely. Earth's form would have to be altered seriously to accomodate, either by the sea floors rising greatly or by land elevation shrinking severely. Both of which would cause various natural disasters and are extremely unlikely to have ever happened during the existence of humanity. Thus lowering the possibility to near nil.

Well if you melted the polar caps.....


I remember one wacky theory from a professor that suggested the Med and the Atlantic were seperate and that it broke open at Gibraltor and it caused the flood in that region.

Like I said wacky ;)

Europa is completely covererd in ice, and scientists suspect liquid water and possibly land beneath the icy surface. Though I fail to see how it proves the point... Flooding suggests that there was once dry land that was engulfed by water, usually as a result of some weather phenomenon. To my knowledge, there is nothing to prove that Europa once had a solid surface that was overcome by the ice. Nor a weather system of any sort. Nor an atmosphere to sustain a weather system (though this last point I might be making up. If my internet was working properly, I'd go look it up.)

I really don't see how anything to do with Europa proves that the Earth could have been flooded. To determine that, you would have to examine conditions on Earth, not on some irrelevant icy moon millions of miles away.

Was the whole world flooded? No thats not possible. Even if you were to melt the polar ice caps there wouldnt be enough water to flood the entire world. Water levels would have to rise thousands of feet and there just isnt enough water. A more likely solution would be that the region was flooded. During those ancient times the entire "world" wasnt completely known to them. They didnt know North and South America existed and they didnt know the farethest reaches of Asia, Europe, Africa, or that Austrialia existed. So for them to say the entire "world" was flooded meant their region, the only place they knew of, was flooded.

Was the whole world flooded? No thats not possible. Even if you were to melt the polar ice caps there wouldnt be enough water to flood the entire world. Water levels would have to rise thousands of feet and there just isnt enough water. A more likely solution would be that the region was flooded. During those ancient times the entire "world" wasnt completely known to them. They didnt know North and South America existed and they didnt know the farethest reaches of Asia, Europe, Africa, or that Austrialia existed. So for them to say the entire "world" was flooded meant their region, the only place they knew of, was flooded.

Wasn't there something on the History channel recently that proved a big flood in the region in question? More or less explaining and confirming the Biblical Flood?

In the bible, the enire world WAS flooded. Is this possible? Yes it is. Look at Europa, Jupiters moon.

Jimwhat about me now, jim?

we would be forced to use fat people as flotation devices

Only If god put the water there then afterwards took it away.

If the Icecaps completely Melted, It would be A) Very hot and B) Not as wet as everyone thinks it would be.

Its like putting an Icecube in a drink. When It first goes in, the liquid level Rises. But If the ice melts into the liquid the level Wont really rise.

Wasn't there something on the History channel recently that proved a big flood in the region in question? More or less explaining and confirming the Biblical Flood?

A regional flood would explain the biblical flood, but not confirm it per se, since the supposed idea of it was to wipe out everyone, not just the people living in the Euphrates-Tigris basin.

Seriously, the flood as it is depicted in the bible, could not have happened. It is a story that probably had some historical basis, such as a farmer or merchant using a raft to support his livestock during a flood, but was exaggerated by constant retelling, translations, and comparison and amalgamation with flood stories from other cultures, until it became absurd.

This is what many creation scientists say,

There was no rain before the flood, only dew. There was what was known as the "canopy" where all the water was held in the sky. When God sent the flood, the canopy broke. That was the first rain.

Was the whole world flooded? No thats not possible. Even if you were to melt the polar ice caps there wouldnt be enough water to flood the entire world. Water levels would have to rise thousands of feet and there just isnt enough water. A more likely solution would be that the region was flooded. During those ancient times the entire "world" wasnt completely known to them. They didnt know North and South America existed and they didnt know the farethest reaches of Asia, Europe, Africa, or that Austrialia existed. So for them to say the entire "world" was flooded meant their region, the only place they knew of, was flooded.

It would be enough to be memorably disruptive. Probably climate would be rainier too, wouldn't it, since meltwater would increase the available moisture in the atmosphere?

Yes it is possible. Land mass only takes up 30% of the Earth's surface. And there's plenty of water to cover the land mass up. One giant meteorite and BAM! No more Canada!

Wow he has got us there. But if landmass were more evenly spread out the water level would be higher.

What about all the like stuff that has been living on the land for nthe best few billion years though?

Yes it is possible. Land mass only takes up 30% of the Earth's surface. And there's plenty of water to cover the land mass up. One giant meteorite and BAM! No more Canada!

There isn't sufficient water on earth to entirely cover the land mass. Land might only be 30% of the surface by area, but it isn't all nice and flat at sea level. There's certainly nowhere near enough water to sink mountain ranges, and most areas of a reasonable altitude would be safe if all the polar ice was melted.

This is what many creation scientists say,

There was no rain before the flood, only dew. There was what was known as the "canopy" where all the water was held in the sky. When God sent the flood, the canopy broke. That was the first rain.

The thing is, that's so physically impossible, that they might as well say 'God did it with his super powers', rather than come up with phoney pseudo-science explanations. Creation science is a joke.

I still think my explanation was better! *sticks tongue out*

In the bible, the enire world WAS flooded. Is this possible? Yes it is. Look at Europa, Jupiters moon.

Jim

Strange, I don't recall Europa showing many signs of life lately.

And, of course, we haven't really had an opportunity to check the fossil record, which would surely confirm any "great flood".

You may as well believe in Atlantis.

In the bible, the enire world WAS flooded. Is this possible? Yes it is. Look at Europa, Jupiters moon.

Jim

Strange, I don't recall Europa showing many signs of life lately.

And, of course, we haven't really had an opportunity to check the fossil record, which would surely confirm any "great flood".

You may as well believe in Atlantis.

Wasn't that part of the plot of Arthur C. Clark's 2010, that aliens were trying to foster life on Europa as they had on earth?

Strange, I don't recall Europa showing many signs of life lately..

Youu've been there Wow, I dont recall reading about it on your blog.

As long as I'm not around when the waters come, I'm fine with flooding the world. :P

Checking Genesis, we see this:

001:006
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


001:007
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were
under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.

This is kind of confusing, you need a visual mind.

1:6

---------------Water----------- <---More water
------------Firmanent--------- <--Heaven (Check the next passage 1:8)
---------------Water--------- <--The physical oceans

So...the popular theory is that the Great Diluge was created when Heaven literally opened up and let the Water above it spill into the physical oceans.

If we assume that if divided the place 50/50. It'd be enough to flood the world and then some, turning it into Europa-esque or Neptunian.

Then again, faith is hard to swallow sometimes.

But that's the popular theory of where all the water came from.

Here is another thing to consider...

If the water level was raised another 29,035 feet to cover Mount Everest, then the Ark would be bobbing around at that level of our atmosphere. Imagine trying to breathe without O2 tanks.

you should also take into account the condition of the surface of an ocean spanning the entire globe. The tidal swells would be so monsterous they would rip apart a boat made of tar and wood. Especially one that massive. There would not be any land masses to act as breakers to curb the wave action of the water like it currently does.

Also, the ice caps would not be able to generate much more than 5 to 20 foot change, at most.

I like the super powers explanation.

And, of course, we haven't really had an opportunity to check the fossil record, which would surely confirm any "great flood".


Actually, if you do check the fossil record, you find many different types of animals all together. Also, coal is made with intense pressure. All that water on the earth would create coal out of the dead animals.

/play #entire_world f:\water\rand_ascii.txt 10

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