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:idea: Please tell me what your position is on the issue of the Ten Commandments being a violation of the seperation of church and government (state or federal). Is it ok to have them posted in schools, city county buildings etc.
Thank You.

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It depends. If copies of them are kept in a court alongside other historical documents of law, such as the Code of Hammurabi or the Magna Carta, then I would approve of them being there as a legal document, which no one can deny they are. Similarly, if they are included with similar religious documents from other world religions, then it would be acceptable for them to be there. But if they are there on their own, then it would lead to the implication that they are somehow esteemed by the court above other religious documents, and that would be unacceptable.

Absolutely. The 1st ammendment says the Government can't endorse or protest a specific religion. Endorsing several religions at once, especially religions practiced by the majority of voters, is technically very legal.

I mean you got umpteen Christian sects and the Jews that all use hold those 10 commandments.. and for the most part of US history, those religions have been in vast majority, and I believe they still are today.

There is no seperation of church and state.
There is no seperation of church and state.
There is no seperation of church and state.
*squawk!* Polly want a cracker!

There is no seperation of church and state.
There is no seperation of church and state.
There is no seperation of church and state.
*squawk!* Colodia's gonna eat me! NOOOOOOO

Weren't we just talking about the rash of new posters?

Back to topic.

Considering that the western judicial system is based upon Judao-Christian values which are summarized by the Ten Commandments, they have a historical place within our society.

Personally, I am fine with a half-naked chick with a scale and a sword. It's secular and mighty fine on the eyes.

The Ten Commandments of Christians may give the U.S. some morality standards. But it is not a document in which the U.S. should revolve around. NOOO WAY am I gonna let that happen!

:idea: Please tell me what your position is on the issue of the Ten Commandments being a violation of the seperation of church and government (state or federal). Is it ok to have them posted in schools, city county buildings etc.
Thank You.They are not a sign of the mixing of Church and States, they are not even made referance to in legal proceedings. They are there for the same reason the statue of Themis is, as a sign of the history and basis for the law.

The Ten Commandments of Christians may give the U.S. some morality standards. But it is not a document in which the U.S. should revolve around. NOOO WAY am I gonna let that happen!Yes, of course, that makes perfect sense. The judicial system should have no concern for morality or the opinions of the majority. Right.

Dude, where's my Democracy? :)

The Ten Commandments of Christians may give the U.S. some morality standards. But it is not a document in which the U.S. should revolve around. NOOO WAY am I gonna let that happen!Yes, of course, that makes perfect sense. The judicial system should have no concern for morality or the opinions of the majority. Right.

Dude, where's my Democracy? :)

It shouldn't have any concern for the opinions of the majority. Popular opinion should never affect a judge's ruling. That's the whole point of the judicial system. That's why judges are appointed, not elected. The idea is that a judge should do what's right, and not what's popular.

Well I think people commonly misunderstand the seperation of church and state. When the amendment was written the intention was so that the government couldn't make any law governing religion. There were setting up the basis for religious freedom. Since then those ideals have long been onterpretend many different ways, ultimately fitting the need at the time.

Raysia just can't seem to get a grasp on that whole "will of the majority shall not trample on the rights of the minority" thing.

Weren't we just talking about the rash of new posters?

Back to topic.

Considering that the western judicial system is based upon Judao-Christian values which are summarized by the Ten Commandments, they have a historical place within our society.

Personally, I am fine with a half-naked chick with a scale and a sword. It's secular and mighty fine on the eyes.Well except for the part about Western law being based upon Judeo Christian values I agree with the post.

:idea: Please tell me what your position is on the issue of the Ten Commandments being a violation of the seperation of church and government (state or federal). Is it ok to have them posted in schools, city county buildings etc.
Thank You.

of course not. they mostly suck in general, beyond mere first amendment issues. 3, maybe 4, of them are at all useful. the rest quite frankly have no place in any system of law. and two of them are actively violated by nearly every christian sect around.

It depends. If copies of them are kept in a court alongside other historical documents of law, such as the Code of Hammurabi or the Magna Carta, then I would approve of them being there as a legal document, which no one can deny they are. Similarly, if they are included with similar religious documents from other world religions, then it would be acceptable for them to be there. But if they are there on their own, then it would lead to the implication that they are somehow esteemed by the court above other religious documents, and that would be unacceptable.And that's exactly the position the Supreme Court has taken more than once.