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Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.

Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.
Evidence of this? I realize that you are against gays and that is fine. I will not turn this into another homosexuality thread.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.
And it shouldn't.

Don't forget how celebrities only need to shell out a few thousand dollars to get plastic surgery. While on the other hand, their fans basically starve themselves to obtain the same physique.

your trolling again Raysia.....

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

Sex is not a moral issue. It is a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.

agreed. Deletion is apparently a trial and error deal. We can get nations deleted 5 times before we get it.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.However this is not, the only way you could be offended is if you were already closed minded and in the mood to yell at Christians.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.However this is not, the only way you could be offended is if you were already closed minded and in the mood to yell at Christians.

Perhaps, but what he was doing was trolling, regardless of the mood of the other people on the forum.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.Exactly? How is that trolling? Just because someone's veiws conflict your own does not mean they donot have the right (entitlement when it comes to NS) to express them.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

My parents did a great job of bringing me up, and they didn't drag me into a building each week and fill my head with crap to do it. They support me in what ever path I take. If I get in trouble somewhere, they help me through it. They don't force any views on me, other than being what I want to be.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.Exactly? How is that trolling? Just because someone's veiws conflict your own does not mean they donot have the right (entitlement when it comes to NS) to express them.No kidding. By that logic, every Gen Forum thread should be locked because it causes debate :P

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.Exactly? How is that trolling? Just because someone's veiws conflict your own does not mean they donot have the right (entitlement when it comes to NS) to express them.No kidding. By that logic, every Gen Forum thread should be locked because it causes debate :Plol, so true.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

My parents did a great job of bringing me up, and they didn't drag me into a building each week and fill my head with crap to do it. They support me in what ever path I take. If I get in trouble somewhere, they help me through it. They don't force any views on me, other than being what I want to be.They were at least there for you, and Raised you. They weren't absentee to leave your mind in the hands of schools and TV, right?

That's my point.

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

My parents did a great job of bringing me up, and they didn't drag me into a building each week and fill my head with crap to do it. They support me in what ever path I take. If I get in trouble somewhere, they help me through it. They don't force any views on me, other than being what I want to be.Good for you, seriously. It's nice to see parents who care and that's great for you and your family. It's also great that Raysía's parents care enough to encourage him in what they believe to be the right path. Which is the ultimate aim of parenting.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).


I don't think anyone, Raysia included, believes that he actually intended those comments just to be simple observations.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).


I don't think anyone, Raysia included, believes that he actually intended those comments just to be simple observations.Oh course they were, they were clearly intended to show his beliefe that strong familes values have helped in his life and have formed the person he is today. Please stop looking for an excust to debunk an opinion purely because a Christian said it.

*punches CC*
Consider yourself attacked! :P
One thing that intrigues me is how closely this opinion is mirrored by the Muslim fundamentalists who hate America.

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date. Yup they would dispute that idea.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times. Yup again, families must be strong.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at. Ever hear of Sharia law? They'll put the offenders in their place!

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable. again, they do hate Hollywood (and network TV)

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process. Yup, we've got tput Allah into the equation.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded. maybe? don't know about this one.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that. Of course, for these folks it would be a mosque-run school, so no problem.


See the similarities? Now I don't think that's a bad thing; maybe it will help us undrstand each other a little better.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).


I don't think anyone, Raysia included, believes that he actually intended those comments just to be simple observations.wtf dude, you know very well I didn't mean to anger anyone on this board. I was just complaining about bad parenting and the media

*punches CC*
Consider yourself attacked! :P
One thing that intrigues me is how closely this opinion is mirrored by the Muslim fundamentalists who hate America.

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date. Yup they would dispute that idea.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times. Yup again, families must be strong.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at. Ever hear of Sharia law? They'll put the offenders in their place!

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable. again, they do hate Hollywood (and network TV)

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process. Yup, we've got tput Allah into the equation.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded. maybe? don't know about this one.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that. Of course, for these folks it would be a mosque-run school, so no problem.


See the similarities? Now I don't think that's a bad thing; maybe it will help us undrstand each other a little better.My opinion that you might have missed: Ignore the media, raise your kids the right way.

Muslim opinion: Force the media to raise your kids the right way.

Major difference.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.However this is not, the only way you could be offended is if you were already closed minded and in the mood to yell at Christians.
close-minded eh? You mean if you stand for something? anything?

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.*nods* thanks for stating the not-so-obvious obvious :)

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.

your trolling again Raysia.....He is most certainly not. None of his opinions are intentionaly harmful and if reverse veiws were spouted by an atheist you would not make that comment.

No, he most certainly is. He's making posts with the intent to incite attacks.However this is not, the only way you could be offended is if you were already closed minded and in the mood to yell at Christians.
close-minded eh? You mean if you stand for something? anything?lol exactly.

The media teaches us that the only way to be open minded is to accept their close-minded ideals :)

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.nah

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Or most people being closed minded to the beliefs of everyone including does not make you open minded.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive. However this is: Go to hell.LOL hey, i didn't say it, but props to ya :)

(I got baleeted for crap like that, so watch it :P)

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive. However this is: Go to hell.LOL hey, i didn't say it, but props to ya :)

(I got baleeted for crap like that, so watch it :P)Nah 'Grace loves me too much :lol:. Which would be funny for anyone who was there when I accidently refered to her as a man and tried to dig my way out.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive.

I never said I wasn't. Yes, I am bigotted against Raysia's views, because we've all heard him spout off all these statements a thousand times prior, and I am very sick of hearing about it. He consistently refuses to listen to any opinion contrary to his own, and has a smug sense of superiority about himself when he is involved in debate. His comment that the media depiction that "homosexuality is cool" as being one of the plagues of society was intentionally insulting and inflammatory.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive.

I never said I wasn't. Yes, I am bigotted against Raysia's views, because we've all heard him spout off all these statements a thousand times prior, and I am very sick of hearing about it. He consistently refuses to listen to any opinion contrary to his own, and has a smug sense of superiority about himself when he is involved in debate. His comment that the media depiction that "homosexuality is cool" as being one of the plagues of society was intentionally insulting and inflammatory.ANother double standard... When it comes to offensive language and content and porn, you guys say to us "If you don't like it, don't watch/read/listen to it."

But when someone says/does/writes something CONTRARY to your opinion, you get all offended and start trying to get me in trouble.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.Oh, could you stop fishing. Really.

Do you ever have anything to say?Yes, all you do is search for a reason to discount Raysia's veiws simply because they are diffrent. You sir are a bigot, in the sense that you knowingly disregard opinions based on prejustice. Raysia expressed his opinion on good parenting, it was in no way intended to offencive.

I never said I wasn't. Yes, I am bigotted against Raysia's views, because we've all heard him spout off all these statements a thousand times prior, and I am very sick of hearing about it. He consistently refuses to listen to any opinion contrary to his own, and has a smug sense of superiority about himself when he is involved in debate. His comment that the media depiction that "homosexuality is cool" as being one of the plagues of society was intentionally insulting and inflammatory.If Raysia won't listen to you and you won't listen to Raysia, why bother? I mean I'm not really listening to you. It would seem that the best policy would be for you to stay out of Raysia threads, because all you are doing is agrivating.

OH...you WERENT trolling again were you?

Lets see.....who did you insult, indirectly, or directly, obviously intending to start an argument between?

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Anyone whos not married, and not a virgin....

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Anyone who is divorced.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Gays, obviously.....isnt that what got you deleted last time Raysia?

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

anyone who looks at pornography......

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

..and anyone who is not a Christian....or especially a Mormon.


So you mean to tell us now, that when you made this post..you had NO intention of intending to start any arguements between those people?
You know thast not true....

You really are pushing the line again..this is not a way to start open and honest debate..this is a way to start a flamewar....but then..you knew that didnt ya?

OH...you WERENT trolling again were you?

Lets see.....who did you insult, indirectly, or directly, obviously intending to start an argument between?

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Anyone whos not married, and not a virgin....Hardly. I am merely trashing pop culture. You can still have sex, I just think the word "slut" adequately describes anyone who practices that reverse order.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Anyone who is divorced.so? I'm more offended by the fact that they ARE divorced. So not really much of a point there...

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Gays, obviously.....isnt that what got you deleted last time Raysia? Not really. i got deleted for something about Condi Rice.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

anyone who looks at pornography......and?!

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

..and anyone who is not a Christian....or especially a Mormon. How about anyone who is a militant secularist...


So you mean to tell us now, that when you made this post..you had NO intention of intending to start any arguements between those people?
You know thast not true....

You really are pushing the line again..this is not a way to start open and honest debate..this is a way to start a flamewar....but then..you knew that didnt ya?I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I might go as far as to write up a second definition of troll..
Troll: One who gets offended really easily, and goes thread to thread looking for something to get mad about, then getting mad about it.

I might go as far as to write up a second definition of troll..
Troll: One who gets offended really easily, and goes thread to thread looking for something to get mad about, then getting mad about it.

Maybe you should submit that to the mods and see what they think of it.

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?*sigh*

Hey look ma, people are making up conspiracy theories and lies about me too! I'm even being called a transperant liar! I must be a real republican now! :)

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?*sigh*

Hey look ma, people are making up conspiracy theories and lies about me too! I'm even being called a transperant liar! I must be a real republican now! :)

Lies?

hardly.....

Youre a repeat offender, remember.....this got you deleted once before....maybe it will happen again...we can only hope.

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?*sigh*

Hey look ma, people are making up conspiracy theories and lies about me too! I'm even being called a transperant liar! I must be a real republican now! :)

Lies?

hardly.....

Youre a repeat offender, remember.....this got you deleted once before....maybe it will happen again...we can only hope.LOL I learned my lesson. I did troll once or twice. Trust me, i'm not trolling here, merely expressing a deep opinion.

I still see no reason why anyone should be deeply offended to the point of mod action by all this.

Becuase...you INTENTIONALLY started this thread to incite an arguement...or belittle those with opinions different than yours....

Dont play dumb.

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?*sigh*

Hey look ma, people are making up conspiracy theories and lies about me too! I'm even being called a transperant liar! I must be a real republican now! :)

Lies?

hardly.....

Youre a repeat offender, remember.....this got you deleted once before....maybe it will happen again...we can only hope.Oh please, he just got caught. I've done far worse and am still here.

I should cite my Communists are ruining thefabirc of our society, and Homosexuals pervert society threads.

Actually, wasn't Raysia eventually deleted for flaming, not trolling. Something about gays burning on the cross or something. Not to pick nits.

Everyone has parents.

Becuase...you INTENTIONALLY started this thread to incite an arguement..Duh? It's called debate! Don't tell me debate is not allowed here!or belittle those with opinions different than yours....THAT'S WHAT A DEBATE IS!

Dont play dumb.Don't play the victim!

There is a serious difference between a debate-inspiring thread like this, and an out and out flame troll like "Gays eat babies!"

Actually, wasn't Raysia eventually deleted for flaming, not trolling. Something about gays burning on the cross or something. Not to pick nits.nononono

I only got a mod warning for that thing you are referring to.

What got me deleted was an actual troll post about the condi rice testimony.

I think you just flat-out get offended too easily.

I dont..but many others do..and since your post was intended to insult basically anyone who has different beliefs than you.....yes..I call it trolling.

Then again..I also believe you intentionally post threads like this to do just that.....insult, or incite those who believe anything contrary to your beliefs...
You can play dumb all you want..its painfully transparent.

Why dont you ask a mod, and see what they say?*sigh*

Hey look ma, people are making up conspiracy theories and lies about me too! I'm even being called a transperant liar! I must be a real republican now! :)

Lies?

hardly.....

Youre a repeat offender, remember.....this got you deleted once before....maybe it will happen again...we can only hope.Oh please, he just got caught. I've done far worse and am still here.

I should cite my Communists are ruining thefabirc of our society, and Homosexuals pervert society threads.I'm pretty sure that was the spelling to.

Everyone has parents.you'd be surprised how completely wrong you are.

Ture, they have biological parents. But many do not have parental figures.

Becuase...you INTENTIONALLY started this thread to incite an arguement..Duh? It's called debate! Don't tell me debate is not allowed here!or belittle those with opinions different than yours....THAT'S WHAT A DEBATE IS!

Dont play dumb.Don't play the victim!

There is a serious difference between a debate-inspiring thread like this, and an out and out flame troll like "Gays eat babies!"

If you think thats what debating is, than you have the debating skills of a child.
Adults do not usually belittle others who disagree with them...they argue thier points like civilised people....if you cant understand what that means...you should simply give up now.

Becuase...you INTENTIONALLY started this thread to incite an arguement..Duh? It's called debate! Don't tell me debate is not allowed here!or belittle those with opinions different than yours....THAT'S WHAT A DEBATE IS!

Dont play dumb.Don't play the victim!

There is a serious difference between a debate-inspiring thread like this, and an out and out flame troll like "Gays eat babies!"

If you think thats what debating is, than you have the debating skills of a child.
Adults do not usually belittle others who disagree with them...they argue thier points like civilised people....if you cant understand what that means...you should simply give up now.omg... I am so not even going to comment on that... coming from you...

ANyway, back to topic.

Do you have anything relevant? or did you just come here to bash me personally?

OH...you WERENT trolling again were you?

Lets see.....who did you insult, indirectly, or directly, obviously intending to start an argument between?

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Anyone whos not married, and not a virgin....Hardly. I am merely trashing pop culture. You can still have sex, I just think the word "slut" adequately describes anyone who practices that reverse order.
Did you seriously defend yourself about insighting by calling people who have pre-marital sex 'sluts?'

Interestingly enough, you have tacitly given this 'sin' a gender. Now we all know your going to back off the use of the word 'slut' as being gender specific, but the truth is it carries a prefrence and you know it. You're like a postcard from 1950.

I guess here's is where the argument would go, but really-there's only so many times you can punch a balloon clown before it's no longer amusing that it keeps getting up...

Dont have a response when you know youve been nailed huh?

Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.

I agree with maybe....80% of what you say. I hate how marriage has become so cheap these days, I hate how saying you live by a code of morals makes you "closeminded", and I hate how dating works these days, and I think that parents need to start parenting- beacuse that's a job thats being forced on the schools beacuse most parents decide to care more about themselves than their kids.

On the other hand- I think homosexuality is pretty damn cool, and god doesn't factor into my descision-making process. I stand for being secular, and I stand for being accepting, but above all I stand for being moral and tasteful.

I don't really disagree with sex before marriage and homosexuality per se, but I do disagree with how they are being treated by society. I by no means think you should only have sex with the person you are going to marry, but I also do NOT belive that just beacuse birth control is around we should scamper about screwing whoever we want.

I think that if two people care about each other enough, and are discreet and tasteful in public, and act with modesty, good judgement, and a sense of decency, they can do whatever they want. It's not a zero-sum game, folks, and we don't have to accept either a christian theocracy or the sex-frenzied, empty, vapid mass media society we have now.

I think that the schools need to actually get more involved. I think there needs to be mandatory ethics classes in high school. I mean real ethics, too- not a lecture, a real honest debate. Nobody these days is encouraged to actually think about what is right and wrong- they are all pushed some sort of dogma, be it a backwards conservative religious one, an empty pop culture one, or a knee-jerk "tolerance at all costs" liberal one.


Now, ethics aside- I hate the over-exposure of sex these days beacuse in addition to being morally suspect, it really ruins....sex sex. I was talking with my girlfriend about this- we're so overexposed to sex and sexual images everwhere, it makes us jaded. Seeing the human body plastered all over everything just cheapens the real thing. I mean, in the victorian era, everybody was so prudish that if you saw a womans lower leg it was really really hot.

Now, thats an extreme example, but I hope it makes my point. Hypersexualization of society makes sex dull.

This ramble makes no sense, but I just wanna say that what is happening today is unhealthy, and while I really disagree with Capsule Corporation on several of his points, I have to agree with the overall line of thought- that something is wrong and it does not bode well for our society.



Another tangent: "decency" does not mean opression or prudery. It doesn't mean that girls can't be sexy or that people can't be gay. It just means that girls can be hot while actually wearing enough clothing to not freeze to death and that a gay guy* doesn't have to flaunt his sexuality- in fact, nobody should flaunt their sexuality. Dammit, we don't really spend that much time screwing- why does it have to be all over everything?


*I should actually say gay man, as most adult gay men I've known have been very tasteful and non-imposing about their sexuality. The annoyingly flaming ones are all teenagers, who I just hate reguardless.

Hey Hey
Cool it guys
Why does every thread have to turn into an arguement that I really can't be bothered to read after the first 20 posts or so.
CC back to your original point I too am very grateful that I have two loving parents who have brought me up with a decent set of morals, who have helped me to view the world with a slight air of cynicism but not too much and have warned me and prepared me for the many dangers and threats within it.
So thanks for this post, it's great to see someone with some common sense around here

Did you seriously defend yourself about insighting by calling people who have pre-marital sex 'sluts?'
I believe he called anyone who would: "Have sex first, then kiss, then date." a slut.

I'm thankful for my parents as well. They taught me great things like:

- Tolerance towards people of varying lifestyles.
- Sex and nudity are natural things that shouldn't induce shame.
- God and Christianity aren't more important than thinking for yourself.
- Respect towards others and not harming others are the most important morals to learn.

I will agree that far too many parents today aren't engaged enough with their children's lives. Often both parents work, which means that contact with the child is minimal.

However, I also believe that religion should never be forced on a child, though it's often hard to avoid. I'm not saying that a child should be brought up without religion entirely; traditions and holidays can be a good thing. I'm saying that the child should be allowed to make his own conclusions regarding religious beliefs and that those conclusions should be supported.

It's also great that Raysía's parents care enough to encourage him in what they believe to be the right path. Which is the ultimate aim of parenting.

Not at all. The ultimate aim of parenting - or, rather, one of the aims - is to produce people who can think for themselves, not people who believe that just because Mummy, Daddy, or the Gods says something that it must automatically be correct.

As to provoking Christians: there are plenty of Christians out there, including many of my friends, who would find the supposed 'Christian' attitudes being proposed around here to be both laughable and giving a very poor impression of Christian belief.

Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I don't know, are you?

Bloody stupid saying...Not attacking you Raysia, just the saying. I hate PC-ness... grumblegrumble

OH...you WERENT trolling again were you?

Lets see.....who did you insult, indirectly, or directly, obviously intending to start an argument between?

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Anyone whos not married, and not a virgin....

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Anyone who is divorced.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Gays, obviously.....isnt that what got you deleted last time Raysia?

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

anyone who looks at pornography......

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

..and anyone who is not a Christian....or especially a Mormon.


So you mean to tell us now, that when you made this post..you had NO intention of intending to start any arguements between those people?
You know thast not true....

You really are pushing the line again..this is not a way to start open and honest debate..this is a way to start a flamewar....but then..you knew that didnt ya?

OK, I'm heaps sorry for this, but I'm gonna get right up you on this one.
Not aimed at you specifically, but to all people with screwed up views.
1) Mormons DO believe in god
2) In fact, Mormons are christians exactly the same as any other, except we have an extra book
3) Mormons are only allowed ONE spouse!!! (Cant stress this enough)
4) Mormons DO NOT sacrifice cows/virgins/drink blood, etc.
5) Mormons, like everyone else, are NOT ALL THE SAME - you will find bigot close minded mormons, you will find normal people mormons (whatever your definition of 'normal'), you will find GAY mormons (more likely closet gays or ex-mormons thought. - however it is only against our religion for 'man' to lie down (have sex) with 'man')
6) I know you were not aiming bad things at mormons, but these uneducated assumptions shit me, honestly, by saying/typing/whatever what you did, you only lowered my opinion of you, and instantly i was inclined to ignore your posts. If you say one uneducated thing, how do i know all that you say isn't uneducated.

Finally, I think most of youl need to grow up and quit bickering. I have noticed some people here are rational, and obviously put alot of thought into what you write. Others look to have been typing on a victim mentality train, and if you objectively read these posts, you can see much of it all is a simple misreading/misunderstanding, which then forms into an argument comprised of stubborn opinions.

And I hope not to see any petty name calling, or 'ItS ColOR NoT COlOuR!!!' spelling crap (not everyone in the world speaks your language, and WHOA things might be spelled differently!)

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be a shit-fling fest, but look what you've done, you've got me all riled up and i gotta get all this crap off my chest or ill take it out on people at work or at home and then ill get yelled at and then ill get more psyched up and eventually i'll hit someone, and i don't want to.

So yeah. Think about that. :x

Just to cover my religion from Asphyxsia's points... There is no such thing as a Mormon fundamentalist.

Unfortunately, contrary to his point, We do try to make Mormons live up to a certain set of standards.

A Mormon and a Bigot should never describe the same person... A mormon and Gay should never describe the same person.

We are tolerant of sinners not of our religion, but we do not allow it in our religion. I don't like all these people who claim to be latter-day saints but are either inactive or have been excommunicated or are not part of the True Church.

Mormonism is not a religion of diversity of opinion... we trust God over the philosophies of Men, and we don't reinterpret doctrine to justidy our sins.

Just to get that out.

OK, back to topic.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.

Yup, I saw this thread when it was languishing on page 2 with no responses a couple days ago. I didn't want to bump it by responding. Why? Quite simply, it is trolling. Stating his morals and such is fine, but there is pretty obviously more to this. For one thing, he's pretty obviously infering that anyone who disagrees with his morals is a media drone who wasn't raised properly. Gee, that's not insulting.

For another, who comes to a political forum to express their thanks that they have parents? Someone who wants to use it as a wedge to get some cheap shots in at his opposition, that's who. Coincidentally enough, this is the same person who would start thread after thread about how he was "Just trying to work out this homosexuality thing," then go on about how homosexuals were immoral and destroying society.

Not trolling? Sorry, I'm not buying that.

Kind of wondering did anyone happen to notice that the first reply he got was congratulatory, and in agreement with what he posted? The fact is I had to go to the second page of threads to even find this one when I posted the first response. If this was to be trolling, he did a very bad job of it. For a thread to slip from the first page without inspiring any negative replys, shows in itself, the lack of trolling within.

Or perhaps that most people ignore his threads nowadays.

Yup, I saw this thread when it was languishing on page 2 with no responses a couple days ago. I didn't want to bump it by responding. Why? Quite simply, it is trolling. Stating his morals and such is fine, but there is pretty obviously more to this. For one thing, he's pretty obviously infering that anyone who disagrees with his morals is a media drone who wasn't raised properly. Gee, that's not insulting.

For another, who comes to a political forum to express their thanks that they have parents? Someone who wants to use it as a wedge to get some cheap shots in at his opposition, that's who. Coincidentally enough, this is the same person who would start thread after thread about how he was "Just trying to work out this homosexuality thing," then go on about how homosexuals were immoral and destroying society.

Not trolling? Sorry, I'm not buying that.Oh come on... you could almost call it "everyday non-flamebaiting trolling." This thread is trolling only in the sense that sparks debate.

I don't see anyone getting mad about anything...

Oh come on... you could almost call it "everyday non-flamebaiting trolling." This thread is trolling only in the sense that sparks debate.

I hit the nail right on the head, didn't I? You knew exactly what you were doing. Suddenly, the innocent, "I didn't mean anything by it..." tone is gone. Now it's, "Oh, come on..." and some spin work ("...you could almost call it..."). I don't care if your insults spark debate, they are still insulting and still both trolling and flamebaiting.

I don't see anyone getting mad about anything...

Right...

As has been pointed out a couple times now, your tricks are old, Raysia. By now, people have figured out not to feed the trolls. :wink:

Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.

glad my parents are still together. happily married for 23 years :D 8)

i look at other kids, that have 1 parent, or have 2. and i look at celebrities who get married for the hell of it, and dont even know the true meaning of marriage, to be bonded for life

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

I actually don't think this thread is trolling. However, it might be useful for Ray to state in his post that these are his values and his opinions and that they may not be shared by every one, instead of making blanket statements that just because he believes these things to be true they must be fact. That's the only issue I have with the post that started the thread. Ray, you should add this is only your opinion.. Other then that I see nothing wrong with it.

I will admit I haven't read the whole thread yet. I will do that now.

Ok, I've read the whole thread. I think there has been a little baiting on both sides to be honest. I will give you my moderator "Knock it off" warning and carry on.

Please keep in mind these are only Ray's opinions and we should all know that he can be a little (a lot) of a fundamentalist about his religion at times. We know that his ideas and values are not shared by every one just as much as we should be aware that not all our ideas and values are shared by every one. Of course no one has the "right" answer, any one who claims to simply makes them self look foolish.

Other then Ray's lack of ability to tell the difference between his opinion .vs fact and all the bickering, I stand by my first comments.

However, if the fighting over the thread keeps up, I will have no choice but to lock it.

Thank you.
Stephanie
Game Moderator

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

I actually don't think this thread is trolling. However, it might be useful for Ray to state in his post that these are his values and his opinions and that they may not be shared by every one, instead of making blanket statements that just because he believes these things to be true they must be fact. That's the only issue I have with the post that started the thread. Ray, you should add this is only your opinion.. Other then that I see nothing wrong with it.

I will admit I haven't read the whole thread yet. I will do that now.I thought the fact that this was just my opinion was pretty obvious and clear... unfortunately, I guess I assume too much :)

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

I actually don't think this thread is trolling. However, it might be useful for Ray to state in his post that these are his values and his opinions and that they may not be shared by every one, instead of making blanket statements that just because he believes these things to be true they must be fact. That's the only issue I have with the post that started the thread. Ray, you should add this is only your opinion.. Other then that I see nothing wrong with it.

I will admit I haven't read the whole thread yet. I will do that now.I thought the fact that this was just my opinion was pretty obvious and clear... unfortunately, I guess I assume too much :)

you were half right...your intentions were quite clear :)

wtf? When did I ask for attacks? i see no one attacking me..

All i am saying is that i'm glad I had parents to actually teach me the right way to live, instead of being a child of the media and popular society.

I actually don't think this thread is trolling. However, it might be useful for Ray to state in his post that these are his values and his opinions and that they may not be shared by every one, instead of making blanket statements that just because he believes these things to be true they must be fact. That's the only issue I have with the post that started the thread. Ray, you should add this is only your opinion.. Other then that I see nothing wrong with it.

I will admit I haven't read the whole thread yet. I will do that now.I thought the fact that this was just my opinion was pretty obvious and clear... unfortunately, I guess I assume too much :)

you were half right...your intentions were quite clear :)

Agreed.

Really... and what exactly do you think my underlying intentions were? Who was I trying to attack and insult here?

Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.

You know, in other parts of the world media sometimes reflects society, not the other way around...

Really... and what exactly do you think my underlying intentions were? Who was I trying to attack and insult here?

i think your intentions were the same boring ones you've always had...as many people have already pointed out, you like to start "innocent" threads where you just feel like sharing or are just curious. strangely, you always seem to be doing nothing more interesting than posting your opinions as though they were facts, and insulting any values that don't line up with yours. in this case, you implied that anybody who thinks porn is okay and homosexuality is moral must be a maladjusted pawn of the media; my two psych Ph.D. parents would have to argue with you on that, and (apparently) so would many other people on these forums.

it's really sweet that you think you are fooling anybody besides the noobs,
but i think the real question is: does anybody else even care any more? we've all seen your stuff before, Ray, and you really should think about getting new material. it's old now, honestly, though you will always be cute in my eyes ;).

Really... and what exactly do you think my underlying intentions were? Who was I trying to attack and insult here?

i think your intentions were the same boring ones you've always had...as many people have already pointed out, you like to start "innocent" threads where you just feel like sharing or are just curious. strangely, you always seem to be doing nothing more interesting than posting your opinions as though they were facts, and insulting any values that don't line up with yours. in this case, you implied that anybody who thinks porn is okay and homosexuality is moral must be a maladjusted pawn of the media; my two psych Ph.D. parents would have to argue with you on that, and (apparently) so would many other people on these forums.

it's really sweet that you think you are fooling anybody besides the noobs,
but i think the real question is: does anybody else even care any more? we've all seen your stuff before, Ray, and you really should think about getting new material. it's old now, honestly, though you will always be cute in my eyes ;).Hey, I'm a conservative... "new ideas" aren't really our thing :P

Really... and what exactly do you think my underlying intentions were? Who was I trying to attack and insult here?

i think your intentions were the same boring ones you've always had...as many people have already pointed out, you like to start "innocent" threads where you just feel like sharing or are just curious. strangely, you always seem to be doing nothing more interesting than posting your opinions as though they were facts, and insulting any values that don't line up with yours. in this case, you implied that anybody who thinks porn is okay and homosexuality is moral must be a maladjusted pawn of the media; my two psych Ph.D. parents would have to argue with you on that, and (apparently) so would many other people on these forums.

it's really sweet that you think you are fooling anybody besides the noobs,
but i think the real question is: does anybody else even care any more? we've all seen your stuff before, Ray, and you really should think about getting new material. it's old now, honestly, though you will always be cute in my eyes ;).Hey, I'm a conservative... "new ideas" aren't really our thing :P

clearly. and that's what makes you so special.

*tickles Ray under the chin*

Really... and what exactly do you think my underlying intentions were? Who was I trying to attack and insult here?

i think your intentions were the same boring ones you've always had...as many people have already pointed out, you like to start "innocent" threads where you just feel like sharing or are just curious. strangely, you always seem to be doing nothing more interesting than posting your opinions as though they were facts, and insulting any values that don't line up with yours. in this case, you implied that anybody who thinks porn is okay and homosexuality is moral must be a maladjusted pawn of the media; my two psych Ph.D. parents would have to argue with you on that, and (apparently) so would many other people on these forums.

it's really sweet that you think you are fooling anybody besides the noobs,
but i think the real question is: does anybody else even care any more? we've all seen your stuff before, Ray, and you really should think about getting new material. it's old now, honestly, though you will always be cute in my eyes ;).Hey, I'm a conservative... "new ideas" aren't really our thing :P

Not even crazy cults that sprung up recently?

Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

I have morals. But they arent the same as yours. And I dont try to force them on others. Is that the difference Between morals and ethics?

Am I an immoral bastard?

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

I have morals. But they arent the same as yours. And I dont try to force them on others. Is that the difference Between morals and ethics?

Am I an immoral bastard?I never said you were. All I'm saying is that knowing what I know now, I'm glad I wasn't raised the same way as you.

Who knows, you probably liked it. Why should I care?

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

I have morals. But they arent the same as yours. And I dont try to force them on others. Is that the difference Between morals and ethics?

Am I an immoral bastard?I never said you were. All I'm saying is that knowing what I know now, I'm glad I wasn't raised the same way as you.

Who knows, you probably liked it. Why should I care?

:lol: Then why did you start this thread? Then why do you whine so much over "normal" people? Wasn't the whole point of the thread that you cared?

And I'm very glad I wasn't raised the same way as you...

Catch 22 happens to be playing on AMC right now when I read through this thread again and the scene where Nately talks to the old man at the whore house and it hit me the similarities between Raysia and Nately. Maybe a little more judgmental, but I could see him doing the whole "Nately's Whore" thing...

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

I have morals. But they arent the same as yours. And I dont try to force them on others. Is that the difference Between morals and ethics?

Am I an immoral bastard?I never said you were. All I'm saying is that knowing what I know now, I'm glad I wasn't raised the same way as you.

Who knows, you probably liked it. Why should I care?

:lol: Then why did you start this thread? Then why do you whine so much over "normal" people? Wasn't the whole point of the thread that you cared?

And I'm very glad I wasn't raised the same way as you...

INDEED. Ray, you started the topic; if you didn't do so to spark discussion, then what reason did you have? did you *gasp* just want to continue your trend of advertising your own beliefs and refusing to acknowledge the equally-valid values of other people?

i too am very glad that my parents did a better job raising me that certain person on these forums, especially since they taught me to fight clean and not to use cowardly insinuations in place of open debate.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Oh, please Ray, pick another Dr. lol Dr. Laura is one of the most whacked out people on the air. She's a sick person. Have you ever listened to her? She's one weird lady.. but you can do a google search for naked pics of her..that she did back in college..lol :P

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Oh, please Ray, pick another Dr. lol Dr. Laura is one of the most whacked out people on the air. She's a sick person. Have you ever listened to her? She's one weird lady.. but you can do a google search for naked pics of her..that she did back in college..lol :PHave YOU ever listened to her? She's awesome!

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Oh, please Ray, pick another Dr. lol Dr. Laura is one of the most whacked out people on the air. She's a sick person. Have you ever listened to her? She's one weird lady.. but you can do a google search for naked pics of her..that she did back in college..lol :PHave YOU ever listened to her? She's awesome!

She's a complete whack job..lol Yes I have listened to her.. she talks about marriage and morals.. and all the things she doesn't follow.. She's been divorced, she has naked pics of her floating around the net.. hardly the beacon you say you would look up to.

I personally don't have a problem with what she has done with her life, not my place to judge.. but she sure doesn't practice what she preaches.. and she is whacked in a lot of the stuff she says.. if you ask me she is full of "crazy talk" :shock:

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Oh, please Ray, pick another Dr. lol Dr. Laura is one of the most whacked out people on the air. She's a sick person. Have you ever listened to her? She's one weird lady.. but you can do a google search for naked pics of her..that she did back in college..lol :PHave YOU ever listened to her? She's awesome!

She's a complete whack job..lol Yes I have listened to her.. she talks about marriage and morals.. and all the things she doesn't follow.. She's been divorced, she has naked pics of her floating around the net.. hardly the beacon you say you would look up to.

I personally don't have a problem with what she has done with her life, not my place to judge.. but she sure doesn't practice what she preaches.. and she is whacked in a lot of the stuff she says.. if you ask me she is full of "crazy talk" :shock:

the APA has repeatedly issued corrections of her pop-psychology, and several of the country's leading psychologists have gone on record saying that Dr. Laura's "advice" is actually out-right harmful to psychological health. not to mention that she is a royal bitch in person...read up on how she cleared a room in Dallas when she offended pretty much the entire place during a real gem of a speech.

i've listened to her show several times, and i have to say that if Ray thinks she is awesome then that explains how he could be thanking parents who raised an attention-desperate homophobic Mormon drone.

Her advice is morality based, not always psychology based.

If you listen to her show, and hear the people call in about how she changed their life as if she were some prominent spiritual leader, you would understand WHY many people still call in.

They WANT her advice, because they know no one the PC psych world will give them what the NEED to hear.

Oh, please Ray, pick another Dr. lol Dr. Laura is one of the most whacked out people on the air. She's a sick person. Have you ever listened to her? She's one weird lady.. but you can do a google search for naked pics of her..that she did back in college..lol :P

Dude- she is hot in those pics.

SAFE SEX IS IN THE PALM OF YOU HAND!

Her advice is morality based, not always psychology based.

If you listen to her show, and hear the people call in about how she changed their life as if she were some prominent spiritual leader, you would understand WHY many people still call in.

They WANT her advice, because they know no one the PC psych world will give them what the NEED to hear.

Acting on that crap is like basing your financial decisions on astrology.

A mistake.

Your quote Raysia: Man, am I ever glad I have parents!

I look around at the people in this world that are complete spawns of the media and society. When I see these worldy people at school, I can just see the media they're reflecting.
-so basically, you're judging the people by their clothes? Have you actually TALKED/CONNECTED with these people before they brand them?

I mean, look at it... how has the Media (and "hollywood") manipulated our society?
-Sure they've done some bad things, not exactly the role model of the world, but come on...manipulated? Aren't we getting a teeensy bit extreme here?

Just look at some of the messages they're sending:

Dating should be in reverse of what it was 100 years ago... Have sex first, then kiss, then date.
-Of course! Arranged marriages and such were SO MUCH more advanced! And fair! And no, it's not always like that in the movies. Generalizations are usually an unfair representation- and you. sir have just done one.

Marriage is a trial-and-error deal. Don't take it so seriously, because everyone divorces and remarries at least 5 times.
-Because it's for life! And once the person is dead, you're screwed!

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.
-Not laughed at. perse, more like jokingly made fun of because it can be illogical at times. And yes, homosexuality is fine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it; but of course i can't convince you.

Sex Sells, and Sin is profitable.
-Aww heck...yeah ok you got me on that one...

God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.
-Why the hell should i entrust god to pick out the pair of jeans im gonna buy? Or what i'm doing on saturday night? and EVEN if i dont believe in him?!

If you stand for something, anything, you are close-minded.
-Usually, if you stand for an issue with REFUSING to hear the other mind, yes you are close minded. Movies about this usually REWARD the charactor who stands up for what he believes in, i don't know what kind of movies YOU watch.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.
-Parents shouldn't be teaching their kids to be close-minded. Just because my parents are conservative (for example), they shouldnt be pushing their views on to me!!

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.
-Uh huh...'backwards'....because sending different ideas is really somethign that was tolerated more 100 years ago...yes...

They WANT her advice, because they know no one the PC psych world will give them what the NEED to hear.

being a good psychologist is about helping people realize their problems for themselves, not about preaching your morality to them. it's about realizing that psychological health isn't going to be fixed with a pill or a magic wand, but with a process of self discovery and understanding. Dr. Laura just feeds the instant-gratification media blitz system that you claim to so abhor, by claiming that she can solve anybody's problem in one show. quick fixes are the trick of the miracle-dieting media...i'm surprised that somebody with as ideal and moral an upbringing as yourself would be so easily duped by these tactics...interesting...

Just a few of the crazy backwards messages these guys are feeding the world.Good to see someone around here that knows what morals are.

I have morals. But they arent the same as yours. And I dont try to force them on others. Is that the difference Between morals and ethics?

Am I an immoral bastard?I never said you were. All I'm saying is that knowing what I know now, I'm glad I wasn't raised the same way as you.

Who knows, you probably liked it. Why should I care?

:lol: Then why did you start this thread? Then why do you whine so much over "normal" people? Wasn't the whole point of the thread that you cared?

And I'm very glad I wasn't raised the same way as you...

INDEED. Ray, you started the topic; if you didn't do so to spark discussion, then what reason did you have? did you *gasp* just want to continue your trend of advertising your own beliefs and refusing to acknowledge the equally-valid values of other people?

i too am very glad that my parents did a better job raising me that certain person on these forums, especially since they taught me to fight clean and not to use cowardly insinuations in place of open debate.

I think I hear something *listens* ...oh...it's just a cultist being silent.

Homosexuality is cool, and Morality should be laughed at.

Homosexuality IS cool (well, as cool as heterosexuality).
And morality without purpose should be laughed at, as it is pointless and oppressive.


God should not be a factor in the decision-making process.


Of course. That is nothing more than entire logic. Read Richard Dawkins- A Prayer for my Daughter.

I'm glad I have parents (well, now just one). But they bought me up to know that homosexuality is fine, and 'God' is a bloody stupid reason for just about anything. Its not done anyone in our family much harm. I'ma British Liberal, my brother is pretty Conservative. This is because our parents taught us to THINK for ourselves. Not just believe tradition, authority or revelation.

I should really post my favorite poem ever.



THIS BE THE VERSE

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

Parents shouldn't teach their kids anything, the schools can take care of that.

Where do schools get off thinking that they're supposed to teach kids things? Thats absolutely appaling!where do parents get off thinking that Schools should raise their kids for them?

<--Dr. Laura listener :P

Seen that letter to Dr Laura?

Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1). When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2). I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3). I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4). Leviticus 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5). I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6). A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is a abomination of Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7). Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8). Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

9). I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10). My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14).

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jim.

I'm glad I have parents (well, now just one). But they bought me up to know that homosexuality is fine, and 'God' is a bloody stupid reason for just about anything. Its not done anyone in our family much harm. I'ma British Liberal, my brother is pretty Conservative. This is because our parents taught us to THINK for ourselves. Not just believe tradition, authority or revelation.


i thought this was an important point...my parents, too, never stressed that i believe in the same things they do, but that i use my judgment and reach my own beliefs. i don't agree with my parents on several issues of politics and faith, and my father has actually told me that he sees that as proof they did a good job. they raised a child who reaches her own conclusions, and who can argue her points comfortably with her own parents. i only wish more people could have had my folks, though i sure am glad i had them all to myself for so long :).

I'm glad I have parents (well, now just one). But they bought me up to know that homosexuality is fine, and 'God' is a bloody stupid reason for just about anything. Its not done anyone in our family much harm. I'ma British Liberal, my brother is pretty Conservative. This is because our parents taught us to THINK for ourselves. Not just believe tradition, authority or revelation.


i thought this was an important point...my parents, too, never stressed that i believe in the same things they do, but that i use my judgment and reach my own beliefs. i don't agree with my parents on several issues of politics and faith, and my father has actually told me that he sees that as proof they did a good job. they raised a child who reaches her own conclusions, and who can argue her points comfortably with her own parents. i only wish more people could have had my folks, though i sure am glad i had them all to myself for so long :).


Yeah. I mean they screwed me up by their relationship with each other, but they did their liberal best with me.