NationStates Jolt Archive


EU gets a setback

Purly Euclid
21-04-2004, 00:51
A nice little article depicting that European unity isn't exactly at hand.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=496562&section=news
Tactical Grace
21-04-2004, 02:22
Which is why I am 100% behind Bush in his War on Terror and his 2004 election bid. :D
Bunnyducks
21-04-2004, 02:54
European unity happened already. That constitution draft doesn't really change anything. We've managed pretty well without it this far. Just a thing we invented to keep that French political dinosaur Valery Ciscard d'Estaing occupied. :wink:
Purly Euclid
23-04-2004, 01:25
European unity happened already. That constitution draft doesn't really change anything. We've managed pretty well without it this far. Just a thing we invented to keep that French political dinosaur Valery Ciscard d'Estaing occupied. :wink:
A constitution cements everything into place. It controls how the government is formed, chosen, and operates, what laws can be passed, etc. It's always nice to have the security of knowing that something above the law exists.
Anyhow, I still think Europe isn't united. In Britain and Sweden, they haven't accepted the Euro yet. Western Europe doesn't have a common language (though in some countries, English is an unofficial franca lingua). And then there's the ten new members, including Cyprus. Look and see how much they want reunification.
Bunnyducks
23-04-2004, 08:13
Well, true. I was thinking more on the lines of constitution being the law determining the fundamental political principles of a government. In that case it wouldn't be "something above law". If we see constitution as being a way in which something is composed, I still don't think the EU is desperately in need of one at this stage (but I've been proven wrong on many occasions).

Of course I was wrong in stating European unity happened already if that means we all speak the same language and agree on all things. If unity is defined that way, there isn't one single unified state in the world (with the exception of the Vatican perhaps).

peace
Soleqalia
23-04-2004, 08:16
I find it interesting that Europe wants to become a new America with the whole constitutionalized continent thing, and yet they seem to think they can keep national diferentation as well.

The states lost their individuality after the Civil War. Today the only thing states do is add another layer of taxation and set speed limits.
23-04-2004, 08:34
Which is why I am 100% behind Bush in his War on Terror and his 2004 election bid. :D


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Who are you and what have you done with the real TG!
Janathoras
23-04-2004, 08:35
Well, not everyone likes the EU constitution law, but then again, it's not born from war, like the constitution laws of most countries are. It's easier to get everyone to agree to something, when there's the threat of things going back to the old, oppressed ways they used to be.

And then again, when was the layman's opinion asked in these matters anyway? :)
Tactical Grace
23-04-2004, 08:52
Which is why I am 100% behind Bush in his War on Terror and his 2004 election bid. :D
:?

Who are you and what have you done with the real TG!
I know it sounds crazy, but Bush looks like being the one thing that can unite Europe any time soon. Or at least, he can speed up the process. The most unusual things can unite people, sometimes. Crises do it well.
Lutton
23-04-2004, 08:53
Which is why I am 100% behind Bush in his War on Terror and his 2004 election bid. :D
:?

Who are you and what have you done with the real TG!
I know it sounds crazy, but Bush looks like being the one thing that can unite Europe any time soon. Or at least, he can speed up the process. The most unusual things can unite people, sometimes. Crises do it well.

That's true. Everyone in Europe hates Bush! :D
Hospital
23-04-2004, 14:33
hehe
Nice twist there indeed. GoBush! :lol: