NationStates Jolt Archive

Have just read that the Coalition and Iraqi fighting around Faluja may be coming to an end.

Was interested to see that one of the conditions is that the Iraqi fighters hand in their weapons.

Curious as I have often seen the conservatives, and sometimes the liberals, argue that peculiar American refrain that the people have a right to bear arms, in order to oppose tyranny.

Seemingly, this right does not apply to Iraqis. Again, a precondition usually for talks with the IRA is the decommissioning of weapons.

Could someone please explain what appears to me to be a contradiction.

I'm guessing that they'll say that they aren't Yanks and therefore aren't entitled to the same human rights a Yank would be.

I'm guessing the argument's gonna be that they're enemies and therefore need to disarm for the safety of the Coalition forces. It's what happened with Iraq and weapons of mass destruction--we're apparantly allowed to have them, but letting anyone else retain them makes the government nervous. Kind of an ugly double standard, really.

It must be noted that it isn't human rights, rather rights retained by citizens of a centralized government. If the government over these people take their weapons away, tough luck. They'll be able to buy them on the black market in a few days anyway.

Have just read that the Coalition and Iraqi fighting around Faluja may be coming to an end.

Was interested to see that one of the conditions is that the Iraqi fighters hand in their weapons.

Curious as I have often seen the conservatives, and sometimes the liberals, argue that peculiar American refrain that the people have a right to bear arms, in order to oppose tyranny.

Seemingly, this right does not apply to Iraqis. Again, a precondition usually for talks with the IRA is the decommissioning of weapons.

Could someone please explain what appears to me to be a contradiction.In case none have noticed the condition states fighters (as in soldiers). It does not say that the people of Iraq must give up the right to bear arms. This is quite a normal condition to surrender in a war. If we were the ones having to surrender our troops would be required to hand in their weapons as well. While the citizens of America would not lose their right to bear arms unless the government was overthrown by someone crazy enough to think they could take away any right from an American without a fight.

You can't take a rifle from an arab, it's tradition. They're confiscating the RPG's, mines, and grenades. No one's gonna make the iraqis give up their AK's.

Has any military force allowed an enemy to leave with weapons in hand? I can't think of any. Why should US(and why does everyone wantto single out the US here? Is because we are the 'Great Satan'?) and Brittish and other soldiers do so?

Has any military force allowed an enemy to leave with weapons in hand? I can't think of any. Why should US(and why does everyone wantto single out the US here? Is because we are the 'Great Satan'?) and Brittish and other soldiers do so?

I think the Union allowed the Confederates to leave with their rifles, but I could be mistaken. Too tired to think. :wink:

No one's gonna search the iraqis' houses for weapons anyway, unless given a huge tipoff. The weapons exchange is more of a goodwill thing.

Has any military force allowed an enemy to leave with weapons in hand? I can't think of any. Why should US(and why does everyone wantto single out the US here? Is because we are the 'Great Satan'?) and Brittish and other soldiers do so?

I think the Union allowed the Confederates to leave with their rifles, but I could be mistaken. Too tired to think. :wink:

You are mistaken.

Has any military force allowed an enemy to leave with weapons in hand? I can't think of any. Why should US(and why does everyone wantto single out the US here? Is because we are the 'Great Satan'?) and Brittish and other soldiers do so?

I think the Union allowed the Confederates to leave with their rifles, but I could be mistaken. Too tired to think. :wink:

You are mistaken.

K.

Seemingly, this right does not apply to Iraqis. Again, a precondition usually for talks with the IRA is the decommissioning of weapons.


:evil: NEVER CONFUSE THESE ISSUES :!:
The IRA have been told decomission because they are not fighting a war, but a terroist campaign, plus they are not in danger of being bombed by fighter jets are they?
It is part of a larger plan of action to achieve peace in Northern Ireland, and the fact that you cannot appreciate this fact means that you shouldn't comment on the N. Ireland peace process, or the attempts to persuade the IRA to give up their arsenal