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Today (Monday) was Holocaust Day.

I would like to wish everyone happy holocaust day (even though the holocaust never happened)!

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.

uhhh

wouldnt everyday of the week be a holocaust day?

and it's not monday if you use the Imperial Pacific Time Zone

Oh, I see this is a thread worth watching..lol.. keep it flame free please.

Thank You,
Stephanie
Game Moderator

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Oh, I see this is a thread worth watching..lol.. keep it flame free please.

Thank You,
Stephanie
Game Moderator
no sweat Steph!

Is that really something worth saying "happy day" over?

Its strange, most people who would have wanted the holocaust to happen seem to be really keen to deny it ever happened.

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Don't know your own history that well do you? Nazi is short for national socialist. Fascism is really based on Italian Fascism but was idealized by Hitler and applied with significantly more success than Mussilini ever had in Germany under the German National Socialist Party. The major tenents of National Socialism are fascist economics and nationalism. So it occurs to me that, as you yourself say, you fit both of those, and can hardly escape the label of Nazi wether it is truly your intention to associate yourself with German Nazism or not.

May we all solemly remember the 6 million lives the Nazis took in the camps at Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the others.

And lest we forget the 20 million Soviet citizens that died in the Great Patriotic War, many of them in concentration camps.

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

'A rose by any other name,...........would still have a prick or two.

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Don't know your own history that well do you? Nazi is short for national socialist. Fascism is really based on Italian Fascism but was idealized by Hitler and applied with significantly more success than Mussilini ever had in Germany under the German National Socialist Party.
Nazi = National Socialist. I do not associate myself with any kind of Socialism.

May we all solemly remember the 6 million lives the Nazis took in the camps at Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the others.

And lest we forget the 20 million Soviet citizens that died in the Great Patriotic War, many of them in concentration camps.

FYI, it was 6 million Jews, and between 3 million and 9 million others.

Don't know your own history that well do you? Nazi is short for national socialist. Fascism is really based on Italian Fascism but was idealized by Hitler and applied with significantly more success than Mussilini ever had in Germany under the German National Socialist Party. The major tenents of National Socialism are fascist economics and nationalism. So it occurs to me that, as you yourself say, you fit both of those, and can hardly escape the label of Nazi wether it is truly your intention to associate yourself with German Nazism or not.

lol

Seriously tho, is this guy really worth replying to? If he's actually serious, which I kinda doubt, he;s sure to have a bright & happy future in front of him **cough**, and that's all we can ask that intelligent & talented individuals receive.

May we all solemly remember the 6 million lives the Nazis took in the camps at Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the others.

And lest we forget the 20 million Soviet citizens that died in the Great Patriotic War, many of them in concentration camps.

FYI, it was 6 million Jews, and between 3 million and 9 million others.

Christ. :cry:

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Don't know your own history that well do you? Nazi is short for national socialist. Fascism is really based on Italian Fascism but was idealized by Hitler and applied with significantly more success than Mussilini ever had in Germany under the German National Socialist Party.
Nazi = National Socialist. I do not associate myself with any kind of Socialism.

To think that National Socialism was even vaguely socialist would be a poor judgement call.

May we all solemly remember the 6 million lives the Nazis took in the camps at Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dachau and all the others.

And lest we forget the 20 million Soviet citizens that died in the Great Patriotic War, many of them in concentration camps.

FYI, it was 6 million Jews, and between 3 million and 9 million others.

That's only in the camps. The total deaths caused by the emergence of German Nazism and the subsequent war are estimated at around 55 million, with the largest portion being Russian.

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

Seriously tho, is this guy really worth replying to? If he's actually serious, which I kinda doubt, he;s sure to have a bright & happy future in front of him **cough**, and that's all we can ask that intelligent & talented individuals receive.
I am part of 1% of the American population that equals:

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies,
2. 3/4 of US Senators
3. 14 of the last 17 US Presidents who did not attend West Point or Navy.

I would say my future looks pretty bright, but I guess you would expect that from an intelligent and talented individual.

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

No, the 20 million Soviet figure includes civilians. About 1.5 million civilians in Leningrad died from starvation during the 3 year siege.

Seriously tho, is this guy really worth replying to? If he's actually serious, which I kinda doubt, he;s sure to have a bright & happy future in front of him **cough**, and that's all we can ask that intelligent & talented individuals receive.
I am part of 1% of the American population that equals:

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies,
2. 3/4 of US Senators
3. 14 of the last 17 US Presidents who did not attend West Point or Navy.

I would say my future looks pretty bright, but I guess you would expect that from an intelligent and talented individual.

Sadly for us, 1 percent of about 250 mil (U.S. pop.) is about

2,500,000

1 shot in 2.5 mil....don't get cocky in this nation!

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

Seriously tho, is this guy really worth replying to? If he's actually serious, which I kinda doubt, he;s sure to have a bright & happy future in front of him **cough**, and that's all we can ask that intelligent & talented individuals receive.
I am part of 1% of the American population that equals:

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies,
2. 3/4 of US Senators
3. 14 of the last 17 US Presidents who did not attend West Point or Navy.

I would say my future looks pretty bright, but I guess you would expect that from an intelligent and talented individual.

That made no sense, so I guess I was right. What does:
"I am part of 1% of the American population that equals:

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies, "

mean? Looks like gibberish to me. You're 1% of 80% of a Fortune 500 exec? Um, ok.

Why are swastikas not allowed on country's flags?

The US Supreme Court protects it under free-speach laws, so why does NS not allow it?

I apologize for my wrong information. But, wasn't that a military battle? Just like Stalingrad? Now, unless Stalingrad was evacuated before Germany got there, I would think that more Russian civilians died at Stalingrad.

Why are swastikas not allowed on country's flags?

The US Supreme Court protects it under free-speach laws, so why does NS not allow it?

Well, well, well. He who is not a Nazi wants a swastika on his flag. And this isn't America, this is the internet. The site is under the juridistiction of teh Max Barry, not the Supreme Court.

Apologies if you're a girl, btw.

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies, "

mean? Looks like gibberish to me. You're 1% of 80% of a Fortune 500 exec? Um, ok.

80% of the execs from the fortune 500 companies have taken the same oath I have. Our group pretty much runs this country.

Why are swastikas not allowed on country's flags?

The US Supreme Court protects it under free-speach laws, so why does NS not allow it?

This site isn't run by an American.

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies, "

mean? Looks like gibberish to me. You're 1% of 80% of a Fortune 500 exec? Um, ok.

80% of the execs from the fortune 500 companies have taken the same oath I have. Our group pretty much runs this country.

Ah, ok. I thought you were referring to your wealth or something with all that percentage rubbish.

Your group? Holy excretion, I'm scared!!1!111

1. 80% of Execs of the Fortune 500 companies, "

mean? Looks like gibberish to me. You're 1% of 80% of a Fortune 500 exec? Um, ok.

80% of the execs from the fortune 500 companies have taken the same oath I have. Our group pretty much runs this country.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?

Why are swastikas not allowed on country's flags?

The US Supreme Court protects it under free-speach laws, so why does NS not allow it?

Well, well, well. He who is not a Nazi wants a swastika on his flag. And this isn't America, this is the internet. The site is under the juridistiction of teh Max Barry, not the Supreme Court.

Apologies if you're a girl, btw.
okay, I am not a Nazi, we were just on the subject and I thought I would bring it up.

I never said I want a swastika on my flag, I would rather have the best running back in the SEC on my flag.

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

An interesting viewpoint given that Palestinians aren't being rounded up and systematically gased and cremated. But despite the lack of accuracy of your analogy the concept is still meaningful. It is an oddity that history's scapegoat now seems to be in a position of some power. Of course they remain a scape goat for much of the Arab world. Truly no single person or political entity can be blamed for the problems that face the Middle East today, but every person and political entity can be blamed for the contiuation of those problems. So long as anyone maintains that they are innocent and the other is guilty peace is impossible. Sadly it seems that despite the rhetoric peace is not the real goal of the majority of those in the region. So barring a real effort towards peace right and wrong, good and bad, cannot be discerned and we can only see strong and weak. For once in history (discounting the reign of King David) Jews are on the strong end and for that they are hated. Ironic in a way that the weak always get the sympathy of the strong with no concern for wether they deserve it or not.

But let's all remember that Stalin killed a lot of Russians during that time too. I mean, while Hitler was a bad guy, going purely by the numbers Stalin was much worse. But like Eddie Izzard said, no one cares when they are killing their own people. And one other thing. If the Holocoust never happened, what happen to all those people? Are they on vacation? When are they coming home? Come now, let's not play oblivious. www.eurohitlerland.com- Cause Hitler sucks and my friend needed a blog.

If the holocaust never happened, then what happened to all those people? where did they go? outer space?

Bah... it's no use trying to reason with people who think the holocaust is some giant conspiracy who everyone but them is in one.

The whole Stalin thing... yes, he was bad, and killed more people total than Hitler. But he was paranoid, and tended to kill people and/or groups of people he thought were a threat to his power, rather than killing them to try to create a master race.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

Um...now, I'm not necessarily supporting everything Israel is doing and has done in the past couple of years, but there are a few things I'd like to point out:
1) The number of Jews in Israel is only about 50% of the world's Jews.
2) In 1999 or 2000, Ehud Barak told Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians that they could have 99% of the land the Palestinians wanted. That 1% that they would not have been allowed to have was Jerusalem. Arafat refused, and the suicide bombings continued. The Israelis were all, like, "That's it, if you won't accept 99% of what you want, we'll give you Ariel Sharon," which is exactly what they did.

As I said, I'm not supporting everything Israel has done, but neither side is completely correct in their arguments. This conflict is actually at least 1000 years old. If the Palestinians hadn't built their mosque on the site of the First Temple, there may not be as much of a conflict as there is.

Meh, let's blame Britain. They're the ones that carved up the Middle East after World War I and gave both the Jews and the Palestinians the same piece of land.

Paranoids are difficult to deal with, that's certainly true.

I'm not slavic.

Stalin was a stubborn man who just sent his high population to do "wave" attacks on the Germans. Which explains the high casualty rate

Oh, and his "no tolerance for retreators" that killed a lot unessecarily

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

He means the 1% of America, which includes 80% of execs on Fortune 500 companies, if anyone hasn't got that part yet.

And really, Auburnland, nobody believes you. Go play conspiracy somewhere else.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.
I can't say anything about what I am not allowed to

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.
I can't say anything about what I am not allowed to

:wink: :wink: *nudge* *nudge* say no more say no more

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.
I can't say anything about what I am not allowed to

In other words, he's trying to impress us with his secret conspiracy cult, and is starting to stall now that we're getting more curious than he expected we would.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Ok, you've succeeded. I will now take nothing you ever say in future seriously. Congrats. & given how there's a ton of Jews amongst the richest men in America, I fail to see how they could have taken an oath that agrees with you. Maybe all the American Jews have become suicidal & self-loathing, and therefore Nazis, err... I mean fascist nationalists. But no-one told me.

**shrug**

lol....

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

An interesting viewpoint given that Palestinians aren't being rounded up and systematically gased and cremated. But despite the lack of accuracy of your analogy the concept is still meaningful. It is an oddity that history's g0at now seems to be in a position of some power. Of course they remain a scape g0at for much of the Arab world. Truly no single person or political entity can be blamed for the problems that face the Middle East today, but every person and political entity can be blamed for the contiuation of those problems. So long as anyone maintains that they are innocent and the other is guilty peace is impossible. Sadly it seems that despite the rhetoric peace is not the real goal of the majority of those in the region. So barring a real effort towards peace right and wrong, good and bad, cannot be discerned and we can only see strong and weak. For once in history (discounting the reign of King David) Jews are on the strong end and for that they are hated. Ironic in a way that the weak always get the sympathy of the strong with no concern for wether they deserve it or not.

No one with an IQ over 40 disputes what Hitler did to the Jewish people.. it was horrible. It was also almost 60 years ago.. get over it. Sort of like slavery.. it's over.. you can't keep using that to justify what is going on in todays world. The Israeli's ARE oppressing the Palestinians no matter how you slice it. They are in breach of international law and are guilty of war crimes according to international law. I also don't condone the killing of innocent people that the Palestinians do. They are guilty as well. However given they are so out matched by the Israeli's what choice do they really have? Doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable on some levels. All the Palestinians want is the lousy 22% of Israel that they had after 78% of their country was given to the Jewish people in 1948.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.
I can't say anything about what I am not allowed to

In other words, he's trying to impress us with his secret conspiracy cult, and is starting to stall now that we're getting more curious than he expected we would.
Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

Boy, you're doing an amazing job saying nothing.
I can't say anything about what I am not allowed to

In other words, he's trying to impress us with his secret conspiracy cult, and is starting to stall now that we're getting more curious than he expected we would.
Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

gl, lemme know how it turns out. We'll have to have a tailgate party with lotsa Bud's & chicks when we win. Do I get perks cause I knew you ahead of time?

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

An interesting viewpoint given that Palestinians aren't being rounded up and systematically gased and cremated. But despite the lack of accuracy of your analogy the concept is still meaningful. It is an oddity that history's g0at now seems to be in a position of some power. Of course they remain a scape g0at for much of the Arab world. Truly no single person or political entity can be blamed for the problems that face the Middle East today, but every person and political entity can be blamed for the contiuation of those problems. So long as anyone maintains that they are innocent and the other is guilty peace is impossible. Sadly it seems that despite the rhetoric peace is not the real goal of the majority of those in the region. So barring a real effort towards peace right and wrong, good and bad, cannot be discerned and we can only see strong and weak. For once in history (discounting the reign of King David) Jews are on the strong end and for that they are hated. Ironic in a way that the weak always get the sympathy of the strong with no concern for wether they deserve it or not.

No one with an IQ over 40 disputes what Hitler did to the Jewish people.. it was horrible. It was also almost 60 years ago.. get over it. Sort of like slavery.. it's over.. you can't keep using that to justify what is going on in todays world. The Israeli's ARE oppressing the Palestinians no matter how you slice it. They are in breach of international law and are guilty of war crimes according to international law. I also don't condone the killing of innocent people that the Palestinians do. They are guilty as well. However given they are so out matched by the Israeli's what choice do they really have? Doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable on some levels. All the Palestinians want is the lousy 22% of Israel that they had after 78% of their country was given to the Jewish people in 1948.

I'm not attempting to use the Holocaust as a justification for any of the actions taken by Israel since then. I'm merely noting that the underdogs get the sympathy no matter what and that in this case everyone is equally guilty.

Answer me this, if the real goal of the Palestinian leadership is peace, equality, and reintegration, why haven't they turned to to the non-violent methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr?

Answer me this, if the real goal of the Palestinian leadership is peace, equality, and reintegration, why haven't they turned to to the non-violent methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr?

Why didn't the Americans hold candlelight vigils asking for independance from the UK? You've used a bad analogy.

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.

Answer me this, if the real goal of the Palestinian leadership is peace, equality, and reintegration, why haven't they turned to to the non-violent methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr?

Why didn't the Americans hold candlelight vigils asking for independance from the UK? You've used a bad analogy.

I'm not saying that organized violence never works, I'm saying that when years of fighting have failed, why not change methods?

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.

How many wives has your Grand Master Leader Messiah Wizard got now?

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.

How many wives has your Grand Master Leader Messiah Wizard got now?
My leader is a Christian, not a Morman, so I guess he only has one.

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.


hmmm...maybe, tho I think it may be a bit too late for that.

Besodes, the Palestinians are having babies at a much higher rate than the Jews, so in the next decade or so Israel is going to turn into an aparteid state. Then the Palestinians will be in line for some serious public sympathy.

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.

How many wives has your Grand Master Leader Messiah Wizard got now?
My leader is a Christian, not a Morman, so I guess he only has one.

I don't think you catch my drift.

I am not implying that your Grand Master Leader Messiah Wizard is a Mormon, I'm implying that he's either an excellent manipulator of gullible people or an utter lunatic, and also that your little organization is a mickey mouse little cult.

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.


hmmm...maybe, tho I think it may be a bit too late for that.

Besodes, the Palestinians are having babies at a much higher rate than the Jews, so in the next decade or so Israel is going to turn into an aparteid state. Then the Palestinians will be in line for some serious public sympathy.
I don't give a damn. Israel isn't my country

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

An interesting viewpoint given that Palestinians aren't being rounded up and systematically gased and cremated. But despite the lack of accuracy of your analogy the concept is still meaningful. It is an oddity that history's g0at now seems to be in a position of some power. Of course they remain a scape g0at for much of the Arab world. Truly no single person or political entity can be blamed for the problems that face the Middle East today, but every person and political entity can be blamed for the contiuation of those problems. So long as anyone maintains that they are innocent and the other is guilty peace is impossible. Sadly it seems that despite the rhetoric peace is not the real goal of the majority of those in the region. So barring a real effort towards peace right and wrong, good and bad, cannot be discerned and we can only see strong and weak. For once in history (discounting the reign of King David) Jews are on the strong end and for that they are hated. Ironic in a way that the weak always get the sympathy of the strong with no concern for wether they deserve it or not.

No one with an IQ over 40 disputes what Hitler did to the Jewish people.. it was horrible. It was also almost 60 years ago.. get over it. Sort of like slavery.. it's over.. you can't keep using that to justify what is going on in todays world. The Israeli's ARE oppressing the Palestinians no matter how you slice it. They are in breach of international law and are guilty of war crimes according to international law. I also don't condone the killing of innocent people that the Palestinians do. They are guilty as well. However given they are so out matched by the Israeli's what choice do they really have? Doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable on some levels. All the Palestinians want is the lousy 22% of Israel that they had after 78% of their country was given to the Jewish people in 1948.

I'm not attempting to use the Holocaust as a justification for any of the actions taken by Israel since then. I'm merely noting that the underdogs get the sympathy no matter what and that in this case everyone is equally guilty.

Answer me this, if the real goal of the Palestinian leadership is peace, equality, and reintegration, why haven't they turned to to the non-violent methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr?

Both Martin Luther King and Ghandi were assassinated. In case you had forgot. It's also not like the Israeli's are taking the high ground either. Both sides are guilty. The Israeli's basically have the power to end it. If Israel would just be reasonable and give the Palestinians back their 22% and stop occupying them and move out of the illegal settlements in Gaza.. I suspect this would go a long way in bringing peace about. The Palestinians have no power. Why do you think they go to such desperate measures? Because it's all they can do. Why can't the Israeli's just be fair.. hell they have undisputed 78% of the country. Any way, it wasn't really the topic of this thread.. however, I just felt the urge to say some thing. Believe me, I don't condone the killing that either side does.. it just seems to me that Israel has the power, so the fighting keeps going as long as Israel keeps being unreasonable.

oops...quoted wrong message....

Its not a cult, it is a group of people, working behind the scenes, united for a common goal.

...which is what all cults claim to be.

We are united for the best intrest of this country. I do not think cults have that mission.

How many wives has your Grand Master Leader Messiah Wizard got now?
My leader is a Christian, not a Morman, so I guess he only has one.

Oh please.....are you trying to get us to believe that you belong to some kind of super-secret illuminati?

Are you a Mason?

Or maybe you got into Skull & Bones?

Or maybe your one of the members of "The Comittee of 300" weve heard so very little about?


Pfffft.......youve been reading to many conspiracy theory books.

Oooh! Maybe you and brad Pitt are in the same Fight Club?

Thats why you cant talk about it, right?


Get lost.......your pathetic.

No, the 20 million Soviet figure includes civilians. About 1.5 million civilians in Leningrad died from starvation during the 3 year siege.

The new figure is actually thirty million for the Soviets, but the next ten was Stalin's rule during and after the war.

BackwoodsSquatches, deep breaths dude.. ;)

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

But, you are forgetting the millions killed by Stalin after the war. You see, it never reallly stopped with the war.

One would think given how the Jewish people were treated under Hitler they wouldn't be doing the same to the Palestinians.. But we see on the news daily how they are out right committing assignations on the Palestinians. They have taken 78% of Palestine.. and the Palestinians were willing to live with what they had left.. but no, that wasn't enough, Israel started putting illegal settlements on the 22% of what Palestine had left.. Now the US government has sanctioned Israel doing this, they are guilty of war crimes.. but no one ever mentions that. The Holocaust was indeed a horrible thing, how soon people do indeed forget. Like the Israeli's.. Give Palestine back their rightful land!

An interesting viewpoint given that Palestinians aren't being rounded up and systematically gased and cremated. But despite the lack of accuracy of your analogy the concept is still meaningful. It is an oddity that history's g0at now seems to be in a position of some power. Of course they remain a scape g0at for much of the Arab world. Truly no single person or political entity can be blamed for the problems that face the Middle East today, but every person and political entity can be blamed for the contiuation of those problems. So long as anyone maintains that they are innocent and the other is guilty peace is impossible. Sadly it seems that despite the rhetoric peace is not the real goal of the majority of those in the region. So barring a real effort towards peace right and wrong, good and bad, cannot be discerned and we can only see strong and weak. For once in history (discounting the reign of King David) Jews are on the strong end and for that they are hated. Ironic in a way that the weak always get the sympathy of the strong with no concern for wether they deserve it or not.

No one with an IQ over 40 disputes what Hitler did to the Jewish people.. it was horrible. It was also almost 60 years ago.. get over it. Sort of like slavery.. it's over.. you can't keep using that to justify what is going on in todays world. The Israeli's ARE oppressing the Palestinians no matter how you slice it. They are in breach of international law and are guilty of war crimes according to international law. I also don't condone the killing of innocent people that the Palestinians do. They are guilty as well. However given they are so out matched by the Israeli's what choice do they really have? Doesn't make it right, but it does make it understandable on some levels. All the Palestinians want is the lousy 22% of Israel that they had after 78% of their country was given to the Jewish people in 1948.

I'm not attempting to use the Holocaust as a justification for any of the actions taken by Israel since then. I'm merely noting that the underdogs get the sympathy no matter what and that in this case everyone is equally guilty.

Answer me this, if the real goal of the Palestinian leadership is peace, equality, and reintegration, why haven't they turned to to the non-violent methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr?

Both Martin Luther King and Ghandi were assassinated. In case you had forgot. It's also not like the Israeli's are taking the high ground either. Both sides are guilty. The Israeli's basically have the power to end it. If Israel would just be reasonable and give the Palestinians back their 22% and stop occupying them and move out of the illegal settlements in Gaza.. I suspect this would go a long way in bringing peace about. The Palestinians have no power. Why do you think they go to such desperate measures? Because it's all they can do. Why can't the Israeli's just be fair.. hell they have undisputed 78% of the country. Any way, it wasn't really the topic of this thread.. however, I just felt the urge to say some thing. Believe me, I don't condone the killing that either side does.. it just seems to me that Israel has the power, so the fighting keeps going as long as Israel keeps being unreasonable.

The attempts that Israel has made to allow Palestinians back into parts of Israel have been met with continued violence by Palestinian terrorist groups. I'll be the first to say that it's not the majorty of Palestinians participating in these attacks, and I think it's terrible that so many have to suffer for the folly of so few, but I think it is clear at this point that there are groups within the Arab world who have no interest in seeing Palestinians returned to part of Israel, but who wish to see "every last Jew backed into the Mediteranean." Until the barriers put up by the violence and hatred of both sides are taken down no move toward reintigration can possibly be made.

That said, the creation of Israel in such a halfhazard way along with the allowing of settlements to form in the occupied territories are two of the stupidest mistakes made in the last fifty years. No territory carved out of other countried has ever lasted peacefully and it is foolish to expect that Israel will be any different. Also, by allowing settlements there are now two people who feel they have rightful claims to the same plots of land. This is a conflict which cannot easily be resolved, and which neither the Israeli government, nor the Israeli people truly have the power to solve. There are a few organizations in the world (The World Bank is one) who have the resources necessary to buy the land under the settlements and give it to the Palestinians who feel they have a rightful claim there.

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

But, you are forgetting the millions killed by Stalin after the war. You see, it never reallly stopped with the war.

Did you not notice when I said "in World War II". I know that Stalin killed many of his own people after the war. But, if Stalin was alive, and if you were to ask him what he thought about killing his own people, I think he would say that they were not his own people. Much like Saddam killing the Kurds.

BackwoodsSquatches, deep breaths dude.. ;)

Sorry...I just couldnt help it...hes try SO hard to get us to bite......I HAD to...

Oh please.....are you trying to get us to believe that you belong to some kind of super-secret illuminati?

Are you a Mason?

Or maybe you got into Skull & Bones?

Or maybe your one of the members of "The Comittee of 300" weve heard so very little about?


Pfffft.......youve been reading to many conspiracy theory books.

Oooh! Maybe you and brad Pitt are in the same Fight Club?

Thats why you cant talk about it, right?


Get lost.......your pathetic.
Dude, its a fact. What I am a part of produces 80% of Americas leading execs, and 3/4 of US Senators. I am not playing in the least bit. We have Whites, Blacks, Jews, Asians, Hispanics, Muslims, Christians, and all.
We all have the common goal of looking out for the best intrest of this nation and being great citizens.

Oh please.....are you trying to get us to believe that you belong to some kind of super-secret illuminati?

Are you a Mason?

Or maybe you got into Skull & Bones?

Or maybe your one of the members of "The Comittee of 300" weve heard so very little about?


Pfffft.......youve been reading to many conspiracy theory books.

Oooh! Maybe you and brad Pitt are in the same Fight Club?

Thats why you cant talk about it, right?


Get lost.......your pathetic.
Dude, its a fact. What I am a part of produces 80% of Americas leading execs, and 3/4 of US Senators. I am not playing in the least bit. We have Whites, Blacks, Jews, Asians, Hispanics, Muslims, Christians, and all.
We all have the common goal of looking out for the best intrest of this nation and being great citizens.

Oh....I see...your a Cub Scout!

Awww...thats cute.....

You get that merit badge solder!

If it gets any deeper in here..you migt just be able to try to earn that Sailing Badge !!

Always Faithful!

Oh....I see...your a Cub Scout!

Awww...thats cute.....

You get that merit badge solder!

If it gets any deeper in here..you migt just be able to try to earn that Sailing Badge !!

Always Faithful!
i got kicked out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie

Oh....I see...your a Cub Scout!

Awww...thats cute.....

You get that merit badge solder!

If it gets any deeper in here..you migt just be able to try to earn that Sailing Badge !!

Always Faithful!
i got kicked out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie

I'm part of your society too, my friend! Yay for the Boy Scouts!

less then 3 million jews actually. thats still horrible enough. genocide is genocide, an extra 3 million doesnt make it more horrible.

plus, stalin`s purges and other genocides were much worse then hitler`s.

less then 3 million jews actually. thats still horrible enough. genocide is genocide, an extra 3 million doesnt make it more horrible.

plus, stalin`s purges and other genocides were much worse then hitler`s.

Oh, I see this is a thread worth watching..lol.. keep it flame free please.

Thank You,
Stephanie
Game ModeratorDon't you think wishing someone a happy Holocaust day is flamebait enough? It's blatently offence and inappropriate, especially on Holocaust Day.

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Don't know your own history that well do you? Nazi is short for national socialist. Fascism is really based on Italian Fascism but was idealized by Hitler and applied with significantly more success than Mussilini ever had in Germany under the German National Socialist Party.
Nazi = National Socialist. I do not associate myself with any kind of Socialism.

To think that National Socialism was even vaguely socialist would be a poor judgement call.



You said it, comrade.

Didn't the Nazi's call themselves Social Darwinists, not fascists? You know, the whole 'we-are-superior-because-we-evolved-to-be-German' thing...

less then 3 million jews actually. thats still horrible enough. genocide is genocide, an extra 3 million doesnt make it more horrible.

plus, stalin`s purges and other genocides were much worse then hitler`s.

Just let me quote something someone wrote on another forum...

'Attacks on Communism are always the same. You could set your watch to them. "Communist is evil" "Communism goes against human nature" "Communist killed 100 million people in the 20th Century" and blah, blah, blah. In the end, all those insults show over and over again that anti-Communist indoctrination is the most successful indoctrination program of our time.

To begin with, Communist did not "kill" 100 million people. Not even close. This figure has been touted around for many years and to this date no historian has actually been able to prove it or verify it in any way. The assertion that 100 million were 'murdered' by Communism is frankly insane. It's so ridiculous that serious people aren't even discussing it. Anyone who has even taken a basic course in moral philosophy at university level will know the fundamental difference between 'killing' or 'murdering' such as the Nazis practiced during the Holocaust and 'letting die' through the negligence or incompetence of the political system. This is such a basic point I find it hard to believe that it actually needs to be made. The fact of the matter is that millions of Russian peasants died in the 1920s and 1930a due to the incompetence of Stalin and the inadequacies of the Soviet economic system. That doesn't mean they were 'murdered'. And the KGB/NKVD’s own archives have the true numbers: for the period 1934-1953, the height of the Gulag, 1,053,829 persons (less than one third of them being political prisoners) actually died. Not 20 million. Not 60 million. 1,053,829. And the majority of those died during the years of World War II when deprivation was the norm in the entire Soviet Union. Add to that number about 1,000,000 German POWs who died in the late 40s and you get the true picture of this so-called "murder machine".

The assertion that roughly 65 million died as a result of famine in China (they were not 'murdered') is simply crude speculation. Historians who claim this should be looked upon with suspicion. We know how many died in the USSR because the Union collapsed and its secret archives were opened to historians. It has clearly escaped everyone's attention that the regime in China has not fallen and the state archives are closed to Western scrutiny. How then is the figure of 65 million arrived at? Well, put simply, they made it up. Most serious historians put the figure somewhere between 20 and 40 million. And the Chinese Famine was hardly planned: in 1957-58 China experienced its worst drought in centuries. That coupled with the fact that the country was still ravaged from the destruction of World War II and the fact that the Communist government was trying to create new industrial means of agriculture all contributed to the horrific famine. It wasn’t a deliberate slaughter. It wasn’t planned. It was an attempt to modernise agriculture (to feed more people mind you) that went wrong due to incompetence and things completely outside of the government’s control i.e. the weather. The famine itself was such a scandal in China that Mao, a man who was almost a god in China during those times, was forced to resign as supreme leader and give the power over to an Assembly. He did not return to full power until his Cultural Revolution in 1966.

Once you start to analyse the methodology that these "historians" use to arrive at 100 million killed you start to see that most of it is bullshit. Let’s analyse Capitalism using the same methods they use to vilify Communism: Since India's transition to a democratic capitalist state in 1949 more have died every 8 years as a result of poverty, malnutrition, lack of basic health-care etc. than the total number of people who perished in the Chinese Great Famine. That's 100 million deaths every 8 years as a result of the inadequacies of the capitalist system. Or should we say that capitalism 'murders' more than 100 million impoverished Indians every decade? If we had any interest in consistency we certainly would. Since the Industrial Revolution in England more than 300 million people have died as a result of capitalist governments (due to a combination of poverty and imperialist wars). That's 300 million 'murdered' by capitalism- and the death toll is still rising! Thus, applying the framework set out by anti-communist demagogues in a comparative analysis of the non-Communist world, the only rational conclusion one can draw is that liberal capitalism is a greater evil than orthodox Communism.

I’ll leave you with this: according to the World Health Organisation: 4.5 million children die every year from hunger and malnutrition. Do you know why? Because they are unprofitable. If money could be made feeding those children you can bet your ass that all of them would be fed. In the end, THAT is the very essence of Capitalism: it has no place for people…only profits.'

I think you may be forgetting the millions of Russian people who starved to death to feed Stalins industrialization projects, and the collectives that provided that food....
100 million? thats a bit extreme, and Ive necver heard anyone ever claim so many......about 20 million.....thats more like it.

Just by the way... I know triple posting is frowned upon...


the point of the last email, by the way, was not to sanction what Stalin did... as a Marxist-Leninist I hate the bastard... but to point out that the right-wing Nazis were perhaps the most evil force this planet has ever seen...

well evil is---

1) Nazis
2) USA
3) Israel
4) Stalin (ie-- right wingers pretending to be socialist)
5) Hussein

blah blah blah you get the idea...

Today (Monday) was Holocaust Day.

I would like to wish everyone happy holocaust day (even though the holocaust never happened)!

Dude, it happened, okay? I used to live down the street from a Survivor, she was a nice old lady who didn't deserve what they did to her as a kid.

That's the first thing.

Second: Nothing "Happy" about the Holocaust. Revolting, evil, sickening...yeah. Serious shit, man. In a more enlightened society, I could buy a hunting license to kill skinheads, luckily for them, it's not.

Today (Monday) was Holocaust Day.

I would like to wish everyone happy holocaust day (even though the holocaust never happened)!

Dude, it happened, okay? I used to live down the street from a Survivor, she was a nice old lady who didn't deserve what they did to her as a kid.

That's the first thing.

Second: Nothing "Happy" about the Holocaust. Revolting, evil, sickening...yeah. Serious shit, man. In a more enlightened society, I could buy a hunting license to kill skinheads, luckily for them, it's not.
I don't know if your are British but over here we would call our Neo Nazi friend a tosser. Sums it up for me. Will not enter inter discusions with flat earther types.

I'm sorry but this thread in itself offends me and speaking as a decendent of the Jews who lived through Nazi Germany am appauld such comments would even be entertained. For shame.

Funny, someone was just asking what happened to all the national socialists.
well I am not a Nazi, so I do not know where they have gone.

I like to think of myself as a facist or nationalist

Why can't you spell fascist then ?
Are you capable of thought or do you just regurgitate the usual revisionist guff?

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

No, the 20 million Soviet figure includes civilians. About 1.5 million civilians in Leningrad died from starvation during the 3 year siege.

Figures released by Krushchev, who was oh look! Anti-Stalin.
What a suprise.

I am very well aware of that. It's just that, the Russian deaths in World War II were military related. They were soldiers. The Nazis killed between 9 million and 15 million civilians. 20 million Russian soldiers were killed, and countless other soldiers and civilians were killed in battles and bombing runs.

No, the 20 million Soviet figure includes civilians. About 1.5 million civilians in Leningrad died from starvation during the 3 year siege.

Figures released by Krushchev, who was oh look! Anti-Stalin.
What a suprise.

I was actually putting down the 1.5m as killed by the Germans, not Stalin.

20m in WWII, I meant.

I'm sorry but this thread in itself offends me and speaking as a decendent of the Jews who lived through Nazi Germany am appauld such comments would even be entertained. For shame.

Ahh, the local Nazis are back in business. Pathetic little fools craving attention and lacking the brain power to earn one by doing something positive. Get lost, New Auburnland. I am not even taking offense, I am laughing. Yes, on the Holocaust day. Because in your post and in your pathetic insignificant self I see that justice for the Holocaust is served with irony that only God is capable of- those who wielded so much power and were so close to wiping us Jews out are not only defeated, beaten into the ground and hunted down like cockroaches, but their only successors are the likes of you- people who can't spell, can't debate, can't produce a single coherent message, and the worst they can do is try to offend me on an obscure message board on the internet. Truly a divine joke. Yes, justice is definitely served.

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)
I'll make sure of that :D I will need to have at least three daughters just to fulfill my promise to name my children after my best friends who I've lost. And I am sure I'll want sons, too :wink:

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)
I'll make sure of that :D I will need to have at least three daughters just to fulfill my promise to name my children after my best friends who I've lost. And I am sure I'll want sons, too :wink:

Hey guys, racists come in all shapes and sizes.. they usually only make themselves look foolish.. I wouldn't worry about it. ;)

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)
I'll make sure of that :D I will need to have at least three daughters just to fulfill my promise to name my children after my best friends who I've lost. And I am sure I'll want sons, too :wink:

Three daughters? Busy busy ... :D

Geez you're evasive. What oath would that be?
If you have the oppritunity to take that oath, you will find out how 1% = 80%

He means the 1% of America, which includes 80% of execs on Fortune 500 companies, if anyone hasn't got that part yet.

And really, Auburnland, nobody believes you. Go play conspiracy somewhere else.
hint to New Auburnland: claiming to be a Free Mason isn't a good way to gain credibility. especially since we Illuminatis have completely infiltrated your organization and subverted it for our goals long since. Novus Ordum Secularum!! :P

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)
I'll make sure of that :D I will need to have at least three daughters just to fulfill my promise to name my children after my best friends who I've lost. And I am sure I'll want sons, too :wink:

Three daughters? Busy busy ... :D
I am yet to find out what my girlfriend thinks about it...or about the very idea of marriage, for that matter :oops:

Don't worry, Womblingdon, about 3000 years since King David took Jerusalem (from the Jebusites). Jews have been on this planet much long than those Nazis. :)
I'll make sure of that :D I will need to have at least three daughters just to fulfill my promise to name my children after my best friends who I've lost. And I am sure I'll want sons, too :wink:

Three daughters? Busy busy ... :D
I am yet to find out what my girlfriend thinks about it...or about the very idea of marriage, for that matter :oops:

Good luck with that Womblington :)..

If I can give you some advice as a mother of two, it's the hardest job you will ever undertake, but it's worth it. For every time you think, "I have no life any more" there are 5 times that you look at your children and just smile.. and when they do some thing really cute (which is usually often) it just makes it all more worth while. However, you are thinking big.. hehe I find two kids hectic, it's not as easy as it looks.. :P

Good luck with that Womblington :)..

If I can give you some advice as a mother of two, it's the hardest job you will ever undertake, but it's worth it. For every time you think, "I have no life any more" there are 5 times that you look at your children and just smile.. and when they do some thing really cute (which is usually often) it just makes it all more worth while. However, you are thinking big.. hehe I find two kids hectic, it's not as easy as it looks.. :P
Heh.

You know, I have a friend who is a deeply religious Orthodox Jew and has 5 children- the youngest being newborn, the oldest being 7 years old, I think. I once asked his wife how she managed to take care of so many children. You know what she said? "The more you have, the easier it gets. They keep each other busy" :lol:

Good luck with that Womblington :)..

If I can give you some advice as a mother of two, it's the hardest job you will ever undertake, but it's worth it. For every time you think, "I have no life any more" there are 5 times that you look at your children and just smile.. and when they do some thing really cute (which is usually often) it just makes it all more worth while. However, you are thinking big.. hehe I find two kids hectic, it's not as easy as it looks.. :P
Heh.

You know, I have a friend who is a deeply religious Orthodox Jew and has 5 children- the youngest being newborn, the oldest being 7 years old, I think. I once asked his wife how she managed to take care of so many children. You know what she said? "The more you have, the easier it gets. They keep each other busy" :lol:

Ah, some truth to that, my sister and her husband have 5 as well. Their house is always a mess..lol They also both work full time.. so it's understandable. I think when they're so close in age this can be true. My two are 6 years apart. So, they are night and day, I have a 6 year old son (Jacob) and Holly was just born if you recall. She will actually be 3 months on Thursday, whoo :P

When will you be setting up the NS account for them then?
Best to start them young... :)

Still, I thought this thread was about a silly racist. How, out of interest, do you explain the concentration camps, the witnesses, the soldiers deployed there, the prisoners, the allied soldiers who were sent there, the orders that were confirmed suggesting faster extermination.

Still, I thought this thread was about a silly racist. How, out of interest, do you explain the concentration camps, the witnesses, the soldiers deployed there, the prisoners, the allied soldiers who were sent there, the orders that were confirmed suggesting faster extermination.
whoa there, you're asking for explanations from a Free Mason...don't get too impatient, this chappy seems to really like making vague hints at his own importance rather than answering any questions at all. most people who claim to be Masons are like that, and i have actually run into quite a few of them so i would know.

of course, we Illuminatis know the truth of the situation, since we have controlled the Masons for many generations now. even the real Masons are no match for us, and even less so the poor posers who try to pass themselves off as Masons. ;)

even though the holocaust never happened

^-_- Man just when you think there's an end to the 'the holocaust was faked/exaggurated' threads they just come back to bite you, don't they?

Man so many ppl today went up to me and were like 'Happy Hitler's b-day' and gave me the Hitler sign. so i was like 'i gotta scratch my chin' and gave em the french finger