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Bush ... told a Jewish reporter for the Austin American-Statesman
that, according to his faith, nonbelievers in Christ, including Jews, go
to hell.

http://pnews.org/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=33

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against Bush

That is in the Bible. Only the followers of Christ may enter heaven. The rest are going to jail. The jews will enter heaven when they start obeying Christ.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against Bush


:roll:


You really are brainwashed.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against Bush


:roll:


You really are brainwashed.
Your nation sounds like a WWF wrestler.

Am I the only one that finds this funny?

"Bush tells a jewish reporter that Jews go to hell"

man you cant make this stuff up

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Is there no lengths to which Bush supporters will go to avoid accepting that Bush has made some mistakes?

Bush DID state that he believed that Jews could not go to heaven. It was reported during the last election. Perhaps you just weren't paying attention at the time.

Here are related hits on the story frmo a simple google search for 'Bush Jews Heaven'

http://slate.msn.com/id/32438
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/07/07/born_again/print.html
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0899/BUSH1.ASP

George has never had a lot of religious tolerance... well, that is - he tolerates other religions - as long as they understand that he knows them to be wrong and damning their souls to eternal damnation.

-Z-

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

What lies were contained in that article?

The fact that you don't like the spin doesn't alter the facts.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until I open my mind to the lies of the GOP.
I think you made a typo... :wink: :twisted:

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until I open my mind to the lies of the GOP.
I think you made a typo... :wink: :twisted:


:roll:


Good lord, You are not worth 2 seconds more of my time.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

What lies were contained in that article?

The fact that you don't like the spin doesn't alter the facts.


I could go on for years about all the crimes the DNC has commited just in the 90's, but i would be wasting my time on you.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

What lies were contained in that article?

The fact that you don't like the spin doesn't alter the facts.


I could go on for years about all the crimes the DNC has commited just in the 90's, but i would be wasting my time on you.

No - you are specifically responding to this thread.

So - back it up!

What is the lie?

That Bush didn't make that claim? He did. Look it up.

So what are you objecting to? That this is the truth but you are just throwing out a general "they lie" accusation?

Pretty sad...

-Z-

I dont like organized religion but even the Pope thinks Bush is the antichrist and the Pope is conservative

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

What lies were contained in that article?

The fact that you don't like the spin doesn't alter the facts.


I could go on for years about all the crimes the DNC has commited just in the 90's, but i would be wasting my time on you.

No - you are specifically responding to this thread.

So - back it up!

What is the lie?

That Bush didn't make that claim? He did. Look it up.

So what are you objecting to? That this is the truth but you are just throwing out a general "they lie" accusation?

Pretty sad...

-Z-

I would stay and wreak more havoc, but it's late. Bye all, happy flaming :D

I dont like organized religion but even the Pope thinks Bush is the antichrist and the Pope is conservative



The pope is a senile old fool.




(Pardon if my spelling is off)

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?

I'll take that lengthy refutation of the fact of this as your response...


Which is to say that you have none.

I suppose we could say that both sides are wrong. There really isn't much difference between a Democrat and a Republican, except what they want to spend all your money on after they take it from you. Both will tell you exactly what they think you want to hear just so you'll vote for them.
It's been said that Native Americans would not do anything unless they have considered what the ramifications of their actions would be at least 10 generations after the decision's been made. No one thinks that far ahead anymore, especially not in politics. Even economics has some concept of the long term. Not much of one, mind you, but still more than politics does. In finance, long term is what will happen next year. In politics, long term is what will happen next month.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

See how Bush divides people all around the world? Isnt that exactly what a child of Satan would do?

See how Bush divides people all around the world? Isnt that exactly what a child of Satan would do?



I am speechless. Thank god I am nothing like you.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

Since when is pointing out that statement an attack?

you are the one who wanted to drag up supposed "DNC lies all through the 90's", but want blanket immunity for anything GW did or said in HIS past?

Let's all spell it together..

H
Y
P
O
C
R


you know the rest...

-Z

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

Since when is pointing out that statement an attack?

you are the one who wanted to drag up supposed "DNC lies all through the 90's", but want blanket immunity for anything GW did or said in HIS past?

Let's all spell it together..

H
Y
P
O
C
R


you know the rest...

-Z


I just love it when Liberals put words in my mouth. :lol: :lol: :lol:

See how Bush divides people all around the world? Isnt that exactly what a child of Satan would do?



I am speechless. Thank god I am nothing like you.

I know--your a sleeper :(

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.


I am a Conservative, I only complain about Clintons failures on Terrorism, Border patrol and making English the official language, other than that he was ok.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate



Oh SHUT UP! Politics have been like this for decades, and we didn't start it.

See how Bush divides people all around the world? Isnt that exactly what a child of Satan would do?



I am speechless. Thank god I am nothing like you.

I know--your a sleeper :(


I am wide awake, that is why I am not like you.

Bush ... told a Jewish reporter for the Austin American-Statesman
that, according to his faith, nonbelievers in Christ, including Jews, go
to hell.

http://pnews.org/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=33
The Holocaust never happened.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state?

I give you. . . the first ammendment!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Ta-da. We do not favor religion - anyone who limits that through the federal government is creating an unconstitutional action. Thus, we are a religiously tolerant nation.

I think someone needs to learn his facts before arguing with others :D

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's true, I'm not saying you do, but some conservatives want organized christian prayer in public schools. Now, if you're going to have organized christian prayer, then you have to have organized jewish, muslim, norse pagan, wiccan, buddhist , hindu, and every other religion you can think of, not to mention the fact that you'd have to excuse athiests and agnostics, which would cause further disruption.
In religion, to prevent favoritism, you must have all, or none. In public schools, it is more practical to practice none than to practice all. Now, if an individual student, or group of students, want(s) to pray, that's fine, good for them, but it can't be organized by the State.

That's just one example.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Are there no lengths to which Conservocreeps would not go in their attempt to destroy Clinton? Even three years out of the White House, and y'all STILL can't leave him alone.

Wassa matter? You guys don't like it when we "Rush Limbaugh" your guy...is that it? When we dredge up something he said ten years ago, and use it against him...you don't like it when we do it to your guys...but you love it when Rush Limbaugh does it to our guys!

Wassa matter?? Y'all can't take your own medicine?

Don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot, do ya?

Well, far as I am concerned...Republicans and conservocreeps can GO TO HELL!! They sure ain't bound for Heaven, much to their chagrin. They are far too mean-spirited, evil and selfish for Heaven. Witness the way they take from all the programs for the poor and needy, to fund a tax cut for the rich and greedy.

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

How about YOU be quiet until you open YOUR mind to the lies of the RNC?

And you aren't? :roll:

*Grabs his FlameMaster3000, hides in a ditch*



No I am not, now be quiet until you open your mind to the lies of the DNC.

What lies were contained in that article?

The fact that you don't like the spin doesn't alter the facts.


I could go on for years about all the crimes the DNC has commited just in the 90's, but i would be wasting my time on you.

And I could go on for years about all the crimes the RNC has committed, just in the years 2000-2004! But I'd be wasting my time on you. You won't acknowledge it, no matter how much proof I have...because you are brainwashed, and have your head shoved so far up Bush's ass that if he makes a quick left, you will break your neck.

What I am wondering about is why people take so much offense at this kind of statements. He believes that I will go to hell? Well, unless he also believes that it is his duty to help me out, I don't really see why I should care. After all, it is my right to believe that Bushes will be burning, too :wink:

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

Yeah? And the RIGHT has been trying to destroy civil rights and human liberties (and the Constitution...well, except for the good 'ol Second Amendment, of course) for years...and YOU PEOPLE attack Clinton for one blow job he got five years ago? Sad!

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

See how Bush divides people all around the world? Isnt that exactly what a child of Satan would do?



I am speechless. Thank god I am nothing like you.

As am I. Thank God I am nothing like YOU!!

What I am wondering about is why people take so much offense at this kind of statements. He believes that I will go to hell? Well, unless he also believes that it is his duty to help me out, I don't really see why I should care. After all, it is my right to believe that Bushes will be burning, too :wink:

LOL

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state?

I give you. . . the first ammendment!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Ta-da. We do not favor religion - anyone who limits that through the federal government is creating an unconstitutional action. Thus, we are a religiously tolerant nation.

I think someone needs to learn his facts before arguing with others :D


Then why are Liberals trying to remove all forms of religion from public places? A school I walked by was having an Oval hunt for Easter, not to mention a man who demanded I take down my christmas tree because he was offeneded by it.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

this is a culture war Labrador and the Left is now fully engaged--if the enemies of humanity want to stop us now theyll have to exterminate us all

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

Yeah? And the RIGHT has been trying to destroy civil rights and human liberties (and the Constitution...well, except for the good 'ol Second Amendment, of course) for years...and YOU PEOPLE attack Clinton for one blow job he got five years ago? Sad!


:roll: :lol: :roll: :lol:

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?

Bush does it to himself, or haven't you noticed? Liberals don't force him to be such an idiot. He just is.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.


I am a Conservative, I only complain about Clintons failures on Terrorism, Border patrol and making English the official language, other than that he was ok.

Maybe Clinton could have paid more attention to those things if the mud-slinging pukes on the other side of the aisle hadn't been slinging shit at him for the entire last six years of his Presidency! He had no time to do anything other than defend himself against the ruthless onslaught of the GOP attack machine, headed, originally, by the slime Newt Gingrich...until it came out that 'ol Newty wasn't exactly playing with a full deck himself...then others took over, while Newt had to duck and run.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state?

I give you. . . the first ammendment!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Ta-da. We do not favor religion - anyone who limits that through the federal government is creating an unconstitutional action. Thus, we are a religiously tolerant nation.

I think someone needs to learn his facts before arguing with others :D

Sure...by law we are a religiously tolerant nation. However, in actual practice we are anything BUT religiously tolerant! If you aren't Christian, in the eyes of our current illegitimate (and illiterate) Government, you aren't worth shit.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

lol a strong woman like Labrador is no ones puppet--besides how could she be if we're both posting at the same time?

Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years

Almost snorted my drink out of my nose when I read that. :)

The Left stifles nothing but jedgemental attitudes that are brought on by religion and religious intolerance for anything that doesn't follow their 'guidelines'. The Left has a long history of simply aiming for tolerance and acceptance. The Left view those who have different beliefs, lifestyles, and habits as....different. The Right views them as wrong.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

This will likely just pour gasoline on the flame war, but I will repeat what I said previously in simpler terms:

Dear RNC and DNC,
Screw all y'all.
Love, Selgray

Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years

Almost snorted my drink out of my nose when I read that. :)

The Left stifles nothing but jedgemental attitudes that are brought on by religion and religious intolerance for anything that doesn't follow their 'guidelines'. The Left has a long history of simply aiming for tolerance and acceptance. The Left view those who have different beliefs, lifestyles, and habits as....different. The Right views them as wrong.


Its like talking to a brickwall.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

this is a culture war Labrador and the Left is now fully engaged--if the enemies of humanity want to stop us now theyll have to exterminate us allExactly. DAMNED if I will let the enemies of individual freedom and civil rights win! I'll DIE before I'll let them win!

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

Actually, no. TRA and I just happen to have the same politics. What, you don't believe that EVERYONE except TRA thinks like YOU, do you?

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

this is a culture war Labrador and the Left is now fully engaged--if the enemies of humanity want to stop us now theyll have to exterminate us allExactly. DAMNED if I will let the enemies of individual freedom and civil rights win! I'll DIE before I'll let them win!


Sounds good to me.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no puppet. But I have puppets. Four of them. And I hardly EVER post anything to this Forum with them. I have, twice, by accident. check out when my nation was founded, and you'll see I been around for a long time. No, I'm not a puppet. And I have consistently, from the very day I joined up here, hated conservocreeps...and made no bones about saying so on these Forums. I have never changed my opinions about conservocreeps. I've reamined constant for the entire year and a half I have been part of the NS world...and for the previous 25 years before that in my own life. I have always hated conservocreeps...and I always will. Nothing y'all could ever do could make me like you. Or think y'all are decent human beings.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

this is a culture war Labrador and the Left is now fully engaged--if the enemies of humanity want to stop us now theyll have to exterminate us allExactly. DAMNED if I will let the enemies of individual freedom and civil rights win! I'll DIE before I'll let them win!

many people are adopting this stance--Bush evil unites us all

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway
Exactly. And I'm prepared to fight them to the death, if that is what it takes! I'll be DAMNED if I am gonna let them win. They will win OVER MY DEAD BODY!!

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no puppet. But I have puppets. Four of them. And I hardly EVER post anything to this Forum with them. I have, twice, by accident. check out when my nation was founded, and you'll see I been around for a long time. No, I'm not a puppet. And I have consistently, from the very day I joined up here, hated conservocreeps...and made no bones about saying so on these Forums. I have never changed my opinions about conservocreeps. I've reamined constant for the entire year and a half I have been part of the NS world...and for the previous 25 years before that in my own life. I have always hated conservocreeps...and I always will. Nothing y'all could ever do could make me like you. Or think y'all are decent human beings.


You are the reason why I hate Liberals, you act like this to everybody who disagrees with you.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway
Exactly. And I'm prepared to fight them to the death, if that is what it takes! I'll be DAMNED if I am gonna let them win. They will win OVER MY DEAD BODY!!


It would be my honor.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!

this is a culture war Labrador and the Left is now fully engaged--if the enemies of humanity want to stop us now theyll have to exterminate us allExactly. DAMNED if I will let the enemies of individual freedom and civil rights win! I'll DIE before I'll let them win!

many people are adopting this stance--Bush evil unites us all


Not even close, and Bush isn't evil.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

thats what we tried to tell Bush

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

lol a strong woman like Labrador is no ones puppet--besides how could she be if we're both posting at the same time?

Damn it all, Red Arrow....he caught us. We all know yuo're a puppet of mine...and we are both posting at the same time because I have two computers...and type on one with my right hand and the other with my left. Face it, TRA...we're nailed. The genius caught us... :roll:

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no puppet. But I have puppets. Four of them. And I hardly EVER post anything to this Forum with them. I have, twice, by accident. check out when my nation was founded, and you'll see I been around for a long time. No, I'm not a puppet. And I have consistently, from the very day I joined up here, hated conservocreeps...and made no bones about saying so on these Forums. I have never changed my opinions about conservocreeps. I've reamined constant for the entire year and a half I have been part of the NS world...and for the previous 25 years before that in my own life. I have always hated conservocreeps...and I always will. Nothing y'all could ever do could make me like you. Or think y'all are decent human beings.


You are the reason why I hate Liberals, you act like this to everybody who disagrees with you.

conservatives started the hate and we'll make them choke to death on it--theyve been on the wrong side of every issue in all known human history

it was my point that we are supposed to be a religiously tolerant nation, but that Bush is anything but. And that was the point of the article. So, in public schools - we have removal of religion within public schools because of a little thing called seperation of church and state. Religious organizations have no place within secualr bodies. That is why you have no religion within the public school system.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

lol a strong woman like Labrador is no ones puppet--besides how could she be if we're both posting at the same time?

Damn it all, Red Arrow....he caught us. We all know yuo're a puppet of mine...and we are both posting at the same time because I have two computers...and type on one with my right hand and the other with my left. Face it, TRA...we're nailed. The genius caught us... :roll:


Not smart are you? I have posted at the sametime with2 different names, you know how i did it? I opened my web browser twice. :shock: You can do that you know.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

Well, I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you!! And, while I do not presume to speak for The Red Arrow, I suspect he feels similarly.

Oh, and you DON'T make stupid claims and back them up with nothing??

Pot, meet kettle.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

lol a strong woman like Labrador is no ones puppet--besides how could she be if we're both posting at the same time?

Damn it all, Red Arrow....he caught us. We all know yuo're a puppet of mine...and we are both posting at the same time because I have two computers...and type on one with my right hand and the other with my left. Face it, TRA...we're nailed. The genius caught us... :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no puppet. But I have puppets. Four of them. And I hardly EVER post anything to this Forum with them. I have, twice, by accident. check out when my nation was founded, and you'll see I been around for a long time. No, I'm not a puppet. And I have consistently, from the very day I joined up here, hated conservocreeps...and made no bones about saying so on these Forums. I have never changed my opinions about conservocreeps. I've reamined constant for the entire year and a half I have been part of the NS world...and for the previous 25 years before that in my own life. I have always hated conservocreeps...and I always will. Nothing y'all could ever do could make me like you. Or think y'all are decent human beings.


You are the reason why I hate Liberals, you act like this to everybody who disagrees with you.

conservatives started the hate and we'll make them choke to death on it--theyve been on the wrong side of every issue in all known human history


You are hopeless.

Ill shut up when Rush Limbaugh overdozes on the air

Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years

Almost snorted my drink out of my nose when I read that. :)

The Left stifles nothing but jedgemental attitudes that are brought on by religion and religious intolerance for anything that doesn't follow their 'guidelines'. The Left has a long history of simply aiming for tolerance and acceptance. The Left view those who have different beliefs, lifestyles, and habits as....different. The Right views them as wrong.


Its like talking to a brickwall.
If you're gonna quote...quote right. Scroll back to page 3 and youll find that the quote you attributed to ME was never made by me. It was BLARGistania. And I would NEVER say that the Left was trying to destroy religion. I'd never say anything bad about the Left, because, you see, there IS nothing bad about the Left. It is the RIGHT that is evil

This is for all of you out there:

Why are you bothering? Do any of you actually believe that you are going to change anyone's mind by sitting here and arguing about it? You have already made up your mind about everything, as has everyone else. All of you are just concerned with who shouts the loudest and who gets the last word.

On second thought, go ahead and continue the flame war. I shudder to think of what any of you would do if you signed off and brought your warped ideals into the public sphere.

This is for all of you out there:

Why are you bothering? Do any of you actually believe that you are going to change anyone's mind by sitting here and arguing about it? You have already made up your mind about everything, as has everyone else. All of you are just concerned with who shouts the loudest and who gets the last word.

On second thought, go ahead and continue the flame war. I shudder to think of what any of you would do if you signed off and brought your warped ideals into the public sphere.


I would be happy if TRA kept his propaganda on here and not out in the real world.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood

Don't SAY that, Red Arrow! They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of blood to remain in power. Note carefully, however, the ocean of blood they are shedding contains not one DROP of thier OWN blood! Witness Iraq!

They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of OTHER PEOPLE'S BLOOD...but nary a drop of their own!

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood

Don't SAY that, Red Arrow! They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of blood to remain in power. Note carefully, however, the ocean of blood they are shedding contains not one DROP of thier OWN blood! Witness Iraq!

They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of OTHER PEOPLE'S BLOOD...but nary a drop of their own!


Now you are starting to scare me.

Behold, a new rise to the post pyramid! :lol:

well it seems i've stumble upon a heated debate....

i'm not saying that i am right. these are just my personal beliefs...

first of all Bush, Kerry, Clinton, Dean, whoever! it doesn't matter because we are not a true Democratic nation, nor has there EVER been one in this planet's documented history. if we really wanted to be a true democracy then we need to do away with all of this "Party Politics" crap. no more left-wing/right-wing stuff. if you run for office you tell the people what you plan to do and they vote based on that WITHOUT AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE! you don't need to belong to a "political party"

second, yes i already know i'm crazy, but i believe organized religion is joke. a ploy to keep the sheeple (that's the commoner for you slower people) in line giving the church more power. it's always been that way... go way back in history when there was no "government"... oh wait, there was, and it was the church... whatever they said the people believed and they left it at that... until some started thinking there was something going on behind the scenes and decided to go along and create "science" (our little preoccupation that keeps us from thinking about the spiritual world) which brings us to modern day... it's not about which "religion" you belong to. it's about spirituality. believe whatever you want, but don't disrespect somebody else's beliefs because they are different from yours!

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance!

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!


Try again, We learned from the best, the left. You puppet nation.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no puppet. But I have puppets. Four of them. And I hardly EVER post anything to this Forum with them. I have, twice, by accident. check out when my nation was founded, and you'll see I been around for a long time. No, I'm not a puppet. And I have consistently, from the very day I joined up here, hated conservocreeps...and made no bones about saying so on these Forums. I have never changed my opinions about conservocreeps. I've reamined constant for the entire year and a half I have been part of the NS world...and for the previous 25 years before that in my own life. I have always hated conservocreeps...and I always will. Nothing y'all could ever do could make me like you. Or think y'all are decent human beings.


You are the reason why I hate Liberals, you act like this to everybody who disagrees with you.

I could say the same of you...and conservocreeps like you. Pot, meet kettle.

[quote:ddfff98898="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance![/quote:ddfff98898]


WHAT! Liberals have never tried to compromise with us, never! You are far to extreme to convince the majority of America, I suggest you calm down!

[quote:693da21203="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance![/quote:693da21203]

right, time to stop that. you're even pissing me off now. Its rants like that that give liberals a bad name. If you want to beat the crap out of righties, use logic, it works every time.

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

the Left is just fighting christian fundies attempts to have a theocracy

Exactly. And well said, Red Arrow!


You are a puppet of TRA aren't you?

lol a strong woman like Labrador is no ones puppet--besides how could she be if we're both posting at the same time?

Damn it all, Red Arrow....he caught us. We all know yuo're a puppet of mine...and we are both posting at the same time because I have two computers...and type on one with my right hand and the other with my left. Face it, TRA...we're nailed. The genius caught us... :roll:


Not smart are you? I have posted at the sametime with2 different names, you know how i did it? I opened my web browser twice. :shock: You can do that you know.Try that here and see what you get. It'll come back "Invalid Session." I know, I've accidentally done that before. Trying to keep one posting up, and responding to a different one with a second browser. And I got "Invalid Session." So it has to be two different computers.

[quote:512524309e="The Red Arrow"][quote:512524309e="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance![/quote:512524309e]

right, time to stop that. you're even pissing me off now. Its rants like that that give liberals a bad name. If you want to beat the crap out of righties, use logic, it works every time.[/quote:512524309e]


That is all he has, violence. That is the way the Left is going these days, kill anybody who is against us.

Ill shut up when Rush Limbaugh overdozes on the air

He already has, Arrow. No, I'll shut up when Limbaugh and his ilk shut up, and Georgie Porgie eats another pretzel! :evil:

MMRS, I'm hardly a fan of you. Its anyone in general who goes on idiotic rants that pisses me off. Not Labrador in particular.

[quote:457ff3420e="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood

Don't SAY that, Red Arrow! They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of blood to remain in power. Note carefully, however, the ocean of blood they are shedding contains not one DROP of thier OWN blood! Witness Iraq!

They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of OTHER PEOPLE'S BLOOD...but nary a drop of their own!


Now you are starting to scare me.[/quote:457ff3420e]

Really? Good! Because Bush and the neo-cons have been scaring ME for a decade now! Nice to know I'm not the only one who's scared anymore!

[quote:4109d0201f="The Red Arrow"][quote:4109d0201f="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood

Don't SAY that, Red Arrow! They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of blood to remain in power. Note carefully, however, the ocean of blood they are shedding contains not one DROP of thier OWN blood! Witness Iraq!

They ARE prepared to shed an ocean of OTHER PEOPLE'S BLOOD...but nary a drop of their own!


Now you are starting to scare me.[/quote:4109d0201f]

Really? Good! Because Bush and the neo-cons have been scaring ME for a decade now! Nice to know I'm not the only one who's scared anymore![/quote:4109d0201f]


No, Your extremism scares me! Hook into a lowjack.

[quote:fdc1f4d617="Macho Man Randy Savage"][quote:fdc1f4d617="The Red Arrow"][quote:fdc1f4d617="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance![/quote:fdc1f4d617]

right, time to stop that. you're even pissing me off now. Its rants like that that give liberals a bad name. If you want to beat the crap out of righties, use logic, it works every time.[/quote:fdc1f4d617]


That is all he has, violence. That is the way the Left is going these days, kill anybody who is against us.[/quote:fdc1f4d617]

your values are sick and evil thats why and theyre wreaking havoc all around the world

Conservatives screw up, liberals screw up. Conservatives will moan about liberals, liberals will moan about liberals. Conservatives will poke holes in liberal views, liberals will poke holes in conservative views. There are stupid conservatives, there are stupid liberals. There are well informed conservatives, there are well informed liberals. And in a two-party system, there really is not much difference between the two.

i guess in the heat of battle no one saw my earlier post... or at least chose not to comment on it :lol: :lol: :lol:

Conservatives screw up, liberals screw up. Conservatives will moan about liberals, liberals will moan about liberals. Conservatives will poke holes in liberal views, liberals will poke holes in conservative views. There are stupid conservatives, there are stupid liberals. There are well informed conservatives, there are well informed liberals. And in a two-party system, there really is not much difference between the two.

every single reform that ever came about in america all came from liberals --conservatives only defend the way things are and special priviledges for the plutocrats

saw it, but i forgot what it said- sorry.

[quote:3fc491b1c8="The Red Arrow"][quote:3fc491b1c8="Macho Man Randy Savage"]Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

Paybacks a bish, eh?


Payback for what?


P.S. Grow up will you?

Liberals don't trash Bush anymore than conservatives trashed Clinton. And of course, the conservative would say "well, Clinton deserved to be trashed." What they don't recognize is that from our point of view, Bush deserves to be trashed, in fact it is our DUTY to trash him. I have a variation on the golden rule for this type of thing: Expect what you do to others to be done to you. I'm completely positive that if Kerry wins the november election, the conservatives will be trashing him for his whole term. However, I won't complain too much, because if Bush wins, I'll likely be trashing him for his whole term. That's how things go in politics, as they've always gone.

rightys invented the politics of personal destruction in the 90s--now theyll be attacked by yet another monster they created with their hate

That's right. With the cherem of hate the right has stirred up among progressives like you and me, Red Arrow...well, they will just whine and carp and complain when we turn around and use their own tactics right back against them. Tough shit. They better get used to it. 'Cuz there's lots of libs out there like me who are mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more! No more rolling over for the big GOP attack machine. Now we fight back. And we fight using the same tactics they use. They don't like it when their own tactics are used AGAINST them? Tough. They taught us how!

correct--the REAL terrorists are the American rightwing--theyre the creators of all the evil in the world and its better that the world should end then for them to win cause if they win it will be a fate worse then death for the world anyway


I would rather die than live in a world ruled by people like you! Your ignorance is mindboggling! You make stupid claims and back them up with nothing!

your elk will not remain in power unless theyre prepared to shed an ocean of blood


Why do you want violence so much? Peace is the way man.

We tried peace and compromise with you guys. you threw it back in our faces. You run roughshod over us, forcing your narrow, mean-spirited evil agenda on the rest of us...and there are Libs like Red Arrow and myself out there that ain't gonna take any more. I know I'm prepared to DIE before I will give you guys even so much as one more inch! You will have a hell of a fight, and I am prepared to DIE if that is what it takes, because I wouldn't want to live in the world you and your ilk would create, given half a chance![/quote:3fc491b1c8]

right, time to stop that. you're even pissing me off now. Its rants like that that give liberals a bad name. If you want to beat the crap out of righties, use logic, it works every time.[/quote:3fc491b1c8]

False premise, BLARGistan. Logic only works when you are dealing with logical people. I've yet to meet a logical conservative.

Now there ARE several adjectives and nouns I could use to describe conservocreeps...many of which this forum would censor...but...wait...nope, I checked my list again, and "logical" did not make the list of the top 1,000 adjectives or nouns I would use to describe conservocreeps. Again, logic works only on logical people. Nothing but hate works on conservocreeps. I can't convert them or change their minds, because they refuse...so at least I can have the pleasure of driving them crazy!

People have been trashing each other in American politics basically from the start. Just read some of the stuff the Federalists said about Jefferson and some of the things the Jeffersonians said about Hamilton and Adams.
It's a fact of life. The only political system where no trashing occurs is Dictatorship, and though our views differ, I'm sure liberals and conservatives would agree that we don't want that. Basically, if your guy is in power, he's going to get trashed. Just get used to it.

Conservatives screw up, liberals screw up. Conservatives will moan about liberals, liberals will moan about liberals. Conservatives will poke holes in liberal views, liberals will poke holes in conservative views. There are stupid conservatives, there are stupid liberals. There are well informed conservatives, there are well informed liberals. And in a two-party system, there really is not much difference between the two.

every single reform that ever came about in america all came from liberals --conservatives only defend the way things are and special priviledges for the plutocrats

UH huh....yeah you can remain ignorant all you want red. Who made the constitution, thus reforming america? Yeah thats right. Go crawl into your little close-minded hole right there.

yeah it was pretty lengthy.... well i'm off to bed.... can't wait to see this thread tomorrow! hahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

WHAT! Liberals have never tried to compromise with us, never! You are far to extreme to convince the majority of America, I suggest you calm down!

And you guys (neo-cons) AREN'T extreme?? WTF????

Conservatives screw up, liberals screw up. Conservatives will moan about liberals, liberals will moan about liberals. Conservatives will poke holes in liberal views, liberals will poke holes in conservative views. There are stupid conservatives, there are stupid liberals. There are well informed conservatives, there are well informed liberals. And in a two-party system, there really is not much difference between the two.

every single reform that ever came about in america all came from liberals --conservatives only defend the way things are and special priviledges for the plutocrats

UH huh....yeah you can remain ignorant all you want red. Who made the constitution, thus reforming america? Yeah thats right. Go crawl into your little close-minded hole right there.

Actually, guys like Jefferson (whom we libs admire) made the Constitution. It's conservocreeps like you who are the history revisionists, painting guys like Jefferson and Adams as things they weren't.

the founding fathers were the liberals of their day

People have been trashing each other in American politics basically from the start. Just read some of the stuff the Federalists said about Jefferson and some of the things the Jeffersonians said about Hamilton and Adams.
It's a fact of life. The only political system where no trashing occurs is Dictatorship, and though our views differ, I'm sure liberals and conservatives would agree that we don't want that. Basically, if your guy is in power, he's going to get trashed. Just get used to it.

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Actually, guys like Jefferson (whom we libs admire) made the Constitution. It's conservocreeps like you who are the history revisionists, painting guys like Jefferson and Adams as things they weren't.

Jefferson? The guy who said that the government shouldn't do a damn thing that isn't in the Constitution? The guy who raped his slave?

I don't remember seeing welfare and affirmative action anywhere in the Constitution. Or regulations on bussiness.

Please tell me how the founder of the anti-Federalist (ie weak central government) party is the embodiment of liberal ideals.

And what makes the Founding Fathers anymore liberal than the government they broke form. (I know, I just want to see some of your answers).

Actually, guys like Jefferson (whom we libs admire) made the Constitution. It's conservocreeps like you who are the history revisionists, painting guys like Jefferson and Adams as things they weren't.

Jefferson? The guy who said that the government shouldn't do a damn thing that isn't in the Constitution? The guy who raped his slave?

I don't remember seeing welfare and affirmative action anywhere in the Constitution. Or regulations on bussiness.

Please tell me how the founder of the anti-Federalist (ie weak central government) party is the embodiment of liberal ideals.

And what makes the Founding Fathers anymore liberal than the government they broke form. (I know, I just want to see some of your answers).

For one thing, the Constitution DOES state that it IS the responsibility of the government to PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE....

Second, we do not know that Jefferson RAPED his slave. Did anyone ever ask the slave? Perhaps that was a consensual relationship? You're levelling a pretty hefty charge on TJ, with nothing to back it up.

Third, the Founding Fathers were more liberal than the government they broke from in ways far too numerous to mention all of them, but I'll outline a couple...

1. No taxation without representation!
2. Freedom of speech
3. Freedom of press
4. Freedom of religion
5. Right to keep and bear arms
6. Right to be free of self-incrimination
7. Right to property (no unwarranted search/seizure)
8. Right to fair, unbiased and speedy trial by a jury of your peers.
9. No forcible quartering of soldiers (a man's home is his castle!)

That's just for starters. None of these things were, at the time, guaranteed to any citizen of any government, in the entire history of the world previous. And that includes Merry Old England, from whom we broke to form our own nation. Of course, now, England is FAR MORE LIBERAL than we are...but, at the time, the United States became, by and large, the freest, and most liberal land the world had known up to that point.

That answer your question?

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

Bush the incarnate from Hell demands that his supporters serve and worship him and never question is obvious evil---those people whose souls Bush has NOT consumed refuse to kneel before Dragon

Okay- see, I can accep to a certain degree that some people are really really REALLY liberal. But that right there just put you in the "batshit insane" category.

Don't you have some tinfoil hats to make? The conservatives are reading your thoughts!

With friends like this.....

The Pope agrees with me :)

For one thing, the Constitution DOES state that it IS the responsibility of the government to PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE....

Promote as in protect. Not provide.

Second, we do not know that Jefferson RAPED his slave. Did anyone ever ask the slave? Perhaps that was a consensual relationship? You're levelling a pretty hefty charge on TJ, with nothing to back it up.

So, you think she did it because she loved him and not because he was her SLAVE MASTER?

Third, the Founding Fathers were more liberal than the government they broke from in ways far too numerous to mention all of them, but I'll outline a couple...

1. No taxation without representation!

Unless you aren't a white land owning man

2. Freedom of speech

Protected in England

3. Freedom of press

ditto

4. Freedom of religion

see above

5. Right to keep and bear arms

uh-huh

6. Right to be free of self-incrimination

he didn't invent that one either

7. Right to property (no unwarranted search/seizure)

Which is what conservatives preech

That's just for starters. None of these things were, at the time, guaranteed to any citizen of any government, in the entire history of the world previous. And that includes Merry Old England, from whom we broke to form our own nation.

Not really, they just weren't getting the same rights as people living in England

Of course, now, England is FAR MORE LIBERAL than we are

I wouldn't say far more liberal

...but, at the time, the United States became, by and large, the freest, and most liberal land the world had known up to that point.

That answer your question?

No, not in the least.

Jefferson was quoted as saying "The government that governs least governs best". That is the total opposite of what modern liberals believe. He'd oppose welfare, national healthcare, income tax, and government regulating bussinesses. Tell me how that makes him so ideal to liberals.

You really should have gone with Hamilton.

It is a known fact that the Republicans are facist pigs. Look at the US more importantly the guy running it. Cheney or Bush if you want to use the puppet. go to hell hitler huggers. For those in any doubt about who the Hitler Huggers are look @ the Republican party. They pushed the Patriot Act. It makes minorities look like horrible terriosts and spreads lies about anyone who is a non-white non-christain. They also refuse to clasify the KKK as a terorist group, who is the racist now?

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This is getting ridiculous. I'm sure I only pressed it once

Third, the Founding Fathers were more liberal than the government they broke from in ways far too numerous to mention all of them, but I'll outline a couple...

1. No taxation without representation!

Unless you aren't a white land owning man

2. Freedom of speech

Protected in England

Your wrong there. There wasn't freedom of speech in Britain at the time. In fact Britain only finally got full freedom of speech with the incorporation of the ECHR and a recent dicision by the law law lords that calling for a British Republic is a crime (http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,986030,00.html)

3. Freedom of press

ditto


ditto. (Insidentally, the War of independence wasn't long after a publisher was executed fo publishing a 'seditious' newspaper called "News from Ipswich." And for a long time it was illegal to own any copies of any Tom Paine book)
4. Freedom of religion

see above


Not really. Catholics were still viewed with suspision, and no royal could be one (and still can't). Also it was illegal to not attend an Anglican service every week, and to attend one that was not in your parish.(Although these last two clauses may have been revoked by this time, I'll check)
5. Right to keep and bear arms

uh-huh

Provided you weren't a Women and were a practising Anglican

6. Right to be free of self-incrimination

he didn't invent that one either

7. Right to property (no unwarranted search/seizure)

Which is what conservatives preech
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This is outside my knowledge, but what about the PATRIOT act?

something a little after Jefferson's time.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04
God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

Well, the founding fathers were "classical" liberals.

American conservatives are likewise "classical" liberals. This is a very different kind of idea from a "modern" liberal viewpoint.

So, really, the founding fathers would probably vote libertarian. (I say this as a person who thinks that nowadays, being a libertarian is pure idiocy).

I think everybody has to realize that the US today is a very very different nation, and also a different society, than what it first was. The founding fathers had NO WAY of forseeing- and would probably dissaprove of- the situation the US finds itself in today.

For the time, the framers of the constitution were liberals, but the political climate has shifted such that now, they would be considered libertarians (and the ball is in the air on wether that party is left wing or right wing....)

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

...... "Liberal" is not a political party.

The same way that "Nazi Jingo-ist" is not a polotical party.

God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

Agree 100% people like Red Arrow don't just hurt liberals, they hurt the whole political culture by making it impossible to have a measured, intelligent discussion.

God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

I fully agree. I'v stopped claiming myself as a liberal because there are too many nutcases who give it a bad name.

God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

Agree 100% people like Red Arrow don't just hurt liberals, they hurt the whole political culture by making it impossible to have a measured, intelligent discussion.

...Measured? Intelligent?....In here????

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?

Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state? The Left has been trying to destroy religion for years and you people ATTACK bush for one statement he made ten years ago? Sad!

I must have missed when "the left" sponsored public burnings of the Bible... :roll:

Care to give some examples of the left "destroying" religion?

Didn't Bush make those comments in like 1993? I'm sure there's plenty of things he's said lately that liberals could tear apart without having to go back 10 years.

That is all he has, violence. That is the way the Left is going these days, kill anybody who is against us.

Um... proof?

According to the Bible, that is exactly where non-Christians will go. However, I think it is too sensitive a statement to be made by an American president.

Bush ... told a Jewish reporter for the Austin American-Statesman
that, according to his faith, nonbelievers in Christ, including Jews, go
to hell.

http://pnews.org/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=33Find me a RELIABLE source (not www.ultraliberal.spin.net/screwBush) and I will listen. That source reminded me of a supermarket tabloid.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04There are no lengths they won't sink to. I've talked to someone who thinks Bush is the Antichrist and that republicans want to open concentration camps for dissidents :roll:
I must have missed when "the left" sponsored public burnings of the Bible...

Care to give some examples of the left "destroying" religion?
"My kid shouldn't have to hear the word God outside of profanity!" (despite the fact that the guy doesn't even have custody over the child, whose mother is giving her a religious upbringing)
"So what if I want to kill my unborn baby? It's just a blob of tissue."
"The ten commandments in a public place? You're fired for violation of the first amendment!" :arrow: "Defying state law and giving out licenses for gay marraige? Keep up the good work!" :roll:
It's an ongoing list.

F*** Bush

This is humorous. Of course what most of my friends here (most notibly MMRS) is missing is this: In what is supposidly a religiously tolerant state, Bush is showing that he is not tolerant. Does anyone besides TAR and Mantho think that to be a problem?




Since when is the USA a religiously tolerant state?

I give you. . . the first ammendment!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Ta-da. We do not favor religion - anyone who limits that through the federal government is creating an unconstitutional action. Thus, we are a religiously tolerant nation.

I think someone needs to learn his facts before arguing with others :D

You mean there is american money out there with the words "in Shive we trust" on it?

That is in the Bible. Only the followers of Christ may enter heaven. The rest are going to jail. The jews will enter heaven when they start obeying Christ.

here here bob

Bush was younger back then anyways.

F*** Bush

Wow, thanks for your articulate and intelligent opinion!

I though revelations said the Jews would go to heaven by rebuiding the temple and bring in the second coming or something?

God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

Agree 100% people like Red Arrow don't just hurt liberals, they hurt the whole political culture by making it impossible to have a measured, intelligent discussion.
I speak on the same level of debate that exists in facist america

God am I embarrased to be a liberal. I don't like Bush, but we have to go this low!!! You don't have to go that low. talk about Iraq, healthcare, jobs, not this junk that is probably fake.

I fully agree. I'v stopped claiming myself as a liberal because there are too many nutcases who give it a bad name.

We have a nutcase President who gives conservatives a bad name--if you were a true liberal your focus would be there insted

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issue

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

Does Red Arrow do anything other than post Anti-Republic and Anti-American propaganda on this board?

Not really
All he does is spam links
and then makes hypocritical statements.

I wonder when he'll get deleted for trolling like Ray did

Anyway...
All the Jews that we pre-Christ went to Heaven right?
Christ himself was a Jew right?
The Hebrews were the chosen people before the Christians
and Christianity is build on Hebrew
Christianity can't just "erase" what it was built on
That'd be striking the Word of God, wouldn't it?
even in Revelation, it says that 144,000 Hebrews will be saved during the Tribulation as the 12 Tribes of Abraham return to Heaven

Thuuuuuuuus
The Jews are still quite the chosen race By God
and the Christians are the chosen by Jesus
and the Islams (Just to put them in here) are the chosen by Muhammad

It's all the fu|cking same religion
Why can't all you fu|cktarded zealots understand that!?

WHy? Because you have no fu|cking clue what you're reading because you're too busy twisting misinterpreted quotes to prove your incessant point that you are missing the whole fu|cking point of religion!!!

Jesus Tapdancing Christ...

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

if hell really exists, we're all gunna go

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle class

You saw it here first folks
the same post...NINE TIMES!

It's a nonuplet post

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle classYou can't stop class war by electoral politics. And Clinton and Kerry are 'real' Democrats. That is the problem.

Doesn't anyone realize Bush is a staunt Christian? Of course, he believes that!!!

But Jews who don't believe Yeshua is the Messiah do go to Hell. I mean, duh. The same goes for Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Shintos, Wiccans, and your friendly neighborhood atheists, among others. ~ Michael.

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle classYou can't stop class war by electoral politics. And Clinton and Kerry are 'real' Democrats. That is the problem.

you can too stop the class war by stopping Bushs policies that target the middle class for destruction

You saw it here first folks
the same post...NINE TIMES!

It's a nonuplet post

its the servers fault

Conservatives screw up, liberals screw up. Conservatives will moan about liberals, liberals will moan about liberals. Conservatives will poke holes in liberal views, liberals will poke holes in conservative views. There are stupid conservatives, there are stupid liberals. There are well informed conservatives, there are well informed liberals. And in a two-party system, there really is not much difference between the two.

every single reform that ever came about in america all came from liberals --conservatives only defend the way things are and special priviledges for the plutocrats

UH huh....yeah you can remain ignorant all you want red. Who made the constitution, thus reforming america? Yeah thats right. Go crawl into your little close-minded hole right there.

Actually, guys like Jefferson (whom we libs admire) made the Constitution. It's conservocreeps like you who are the history revisionists, painting guys like Jefferson and Adams as things they weren't.

FIRST OF ALL, im LIBERAL, thanks for judging me though...that was REALLY REALLY open-minded. And second of all...i was just pointing it out, i don't revise history and quite enjoy it.

1. Jews don't believe in hell: only Heaven and Limbo.

2. The old testament (and Torah) don't mention any consequences for not believing in Jesus.

Didn't Bush make those comments in like 1993? I'm sure there's plenty of things he's said lately that liberals could tear apart without having to go back 10 years.

Yeah. I could go back to 2000, when Bush said to Cheney, believing his microphone to be off, "Hey, there's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

Exquisite, huh? A President who calls a reporter he doesn't like "a major-league asshole!"

To say nothing of his well-publicized making fun of Karla Faye Tucker, just before her execution, when he was Gubnor of Texas.

Didn't Bush make those comments in like 1993? I'm sure there's plenty of things he's said lately that liberals could tear apart without having to go back 10 years.

Yeah. I could go back to 2000, when Bush said to Cheney, believing his microphone to be off, "Hey, there's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

Exquisite, huh? A President who calls a reporter he doesn't like "a major-league asshole!"

To say nothing of his well-publicized making fun of Karla Faye Tucker, just before her execution, when he was Gubnor of Texas.

he also thinks McDonalds jobs are manufacturing jobs

Didn't Bush make those comments in like 1993? I'm sure there's plenty of things he's said lately that liberals could tear apart without having to go back 10 years.

Yeah. I could go back to 2000, when Bush said to Cheney, believing his microphone to be off, "Hey, there's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

Exquisite, huh? A President who calls a reporter he doesn't like "a major-league asshole!"

To say nothing of his well-publicized making fun of Karla Faye Tucker, just before her execution, when he was Gubnor of Texas.

he also thinks McDonalds jobs are manufacturing jobs

Didn't Bush make those comments in like 1993? I'm sure there's plenty of things he's said lately that liberals could tear apart without having to go back 10 years.

Yeah. I could go back to 2000, when Bush said to Cheney, believing his microphone to be off, "Hey, there's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

Exquisite, huh? A President who calls a reporter he doesn't like "a major-league asshole!"

To say nothing of his well-publicized making fun of Karla Faye Tucker, just before her execution, when he was Gubnor of Texas.

he also thinks McDonalds jobs are manufacturing jobs

But of course they are...didn't you know McDonald's workers manufacture phucking hamburgers?? :roll:

Is there no lengths Liberals won't sink to in thier attempt to destroy Bush?




Bush In '04

agreed

libs are just following the presedent Richard Scaife and the rightwing created with Clinton--except unlike cons with Clinton, Libs actually HAVE a case against BushLiberals have quite a case against Clinton too.

I agree--but right now Clinton is a non-issueHis legacy is still with us. The FTAA for example, or NAFTA on speed is marching on to grind the workers of the Americas beeneathits steel shod boots. NAFTA is just a part of Clinton's legacy. What about wellfare reform, the failure to catch and prosecute the Wallstreet terrorists and the depleted uranium that is poisoning the theatres of his wars?

I agree thats Clintons legacy-but its also a republican legacy--thats why we need a REAL democrat as President to stop the war against the middle classYou can't stop class war by electoral politics. And Clinton and Kerry are 'real' Democrats. That is the problem.

you can too stop the class war by stopping Bushs policies that target the middle class for destructionYou fail to realize that both major US parties serve the interests of capitol and not the working people. You are blinded by the flimsy populist propoganda of the Democrat party.

1. Jews don't believe in hell: only Heaven and Limbo.

2. The old testament (and Torah) don't mention any consequences for not believing in Jesus.

Jews do believe in a Hell. They have the same Angels.
Christianity didn't invent Michael and Lucifel.

1. Jews don't believe in hell: only Heaven and Limbo.

2. The old testament (and Torah) don't mention any consequences for not believing in Jesus.

Jewish beliefs on the afterlife are quite vague and vary tremendously. It is really not as coherent as some might pretend.

That said, there are certainly some "wings" on the Judaism spectrum that DO believe in types of Hell, not just limbo and Heaven (hell, even Heaven isn't terribly well-defined).

Your second point is true, if not a bit obvious. After all, Jesus isn't mentionned AT ALL in the OT, so how could any consequences for not believing in him be in there? :wink: