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This is a post made by a young person on a proffesional wrestling fansite I occasionally visit...

Im wondering why so many young people simply cannot intelligently articulate themselves?

Sheesh!!!!

What's up with Kane he's gone mental the last few months when he took that bloody wig and mask off he's gone heel and crappy c'mon he lost to Spike Dudley and Tajri. LAST month at WMXX HE WAS getting thrashed by Undertaker and started crying so he sucks and OK we got the big deal whoopdy do you took of your mask then face the reality and get over with it put on your freakin' mask which is uglyed then your face and wrestle perfect...

Geez!!!!





What do you people think?

y3s i+ i3

y3s i+ i3

Thats the other crap that I cant stand.....L33t Haxors are insipid.

I think a greater attack on literacy would be the assortment of word processors with spellcheckers.

i dunno ure just being an elietist nazi saying poeple cant spell its not fair sum of us hvae problems tyoing and maybe we dont want to spell right theres such a thing as freedom of expression u kno

Illiteracy...well, was if it was something like WWF or something, whats so strange about it?

i dunno ure just being an elietist nazi saying poeple cant spell its not fair sum of us hvae problems tyoing and maybe we dont want to spell right theres such a thing as freedom of expression u kno

Bad educated moderator, Bad!

I'm 13. I know the difference between internet talk and real English. I don't put idiotic numbers in my assignments or any of that crap. No, the only idiots are those that forget that your is spell y-o-u-r, and not UR. God, SOME PEOPLE! The internet is not making us illiterate! Only ignorance, stupidity, and too much free time is the cause.


EDIT: Which has been around since before the internet and spell check

i dunno wot ur tawkin bout!!

i can speel fien :)

:P

EDIT: just top make a contribution to the topic: id agree wioth the post above me, most of us know the difference. its just so much easier to speak this way on the net.

I'm 13. I know the difference between internet talk and real English. I don't put idiotic numbers in my assignments or any of that crap. No, the only idiots are those that forget that your is spell y-o-u-r, and not UR. God, SOME PEOPLE! The internet is not making us illiterate! Only ignorance, stupidity, and too much free time is the cause.


EDIT: Which has been around since before the internet and spell check

Ive seen, and read your posts, and you, I must say are an exception to the rule.....

Keep up the effort, and you'll go places kid.

I'm 13. I know the difference between internet talk and real English. I don't put idiotic numbers in my assignments or any of that crap. No, the only idiots are those that forget that your is spell y-o-u-r, and not UR. God, SOME PEOPLE! The internet is not making us illiterate! Only ignorance, stupidity, and too much free time is the cause.


EDIT: Which has been around since before the internet and spell check

Ive seen, and read your posts, and you, I must say are an exception to the rule.....

Keep up the effort, and you'll go places kid.

oMg! L0L Thanxs!

Heh, thanks :wink:

I'm 13. I know the difference between internet talk and real English. I don't put idiotic numbers in my assignments or any of that crap. No, the only idiots are those that forget that your is spell y-o-u-r, and not UR. God, SOME PEOPLE! The internet is not making us illiterate! Only ignorance, stupidity, and too much free time is the cause.


EDIT: Which has been around since before the internet and spell check

Holy crap, I thought you were my age. Yes, you are indeed the exception to the rule.

There you go! The importance of literacy on the internet!

I think modern English is going through a teething phase, we have one group clutching desperately to grammar and spelling slowing becoming obselite, and another group altering English so quickly they cannot understand each other sometimes. Give it some time for it to even out.

How can illiteracy be caused by forums on the internet? You are surrounded by thsoe who can spell and use proper grammar, giving an example. Then you type the whole time, which uses the same rules as writing, unless you want to use shortcuts.

Just remember:

your = a possessive. Your hat.
you're= a contraction of you are. You're DEAT!

there = an indication of direction. Over there.[i]
their = a possessive. [i]Their hovercraft is full of eels.
they're = a contraction of they are They're not playing with a full deck.

Just remember:

your = a possessive. Your hat.
you're= a contraction of you are. You're DEAT!

there = an indication of direction. Over there.[i]
their = a possessive. [i]Their hovercraft is full of eels.
they're = a contraction of they are They're not playing with a full deck.

Oh! I must add....

To....."we went TO the store..."

too.....she went too"

two "One plus one is two"

1 = one
2 = two
3 = three
4 = four

and so forth

not...

1 = L
2 = S
3 = E
4 = R

i know that there's stupid people out there, but there are many who do away w/some of the aspects of grammar in order to save time...like me, who often uses ellipses in the wrong place and never capitalizes anything...in ooc posts, at least. however, it's something that i can easily switch out of. See? I'm now typing in proper English, with the correct punctuation, spelling, and capitalization used. For IC posts, I always make sure to write correctly because it looks absolutely shitty if it isn't written properly.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that some of the "illiterate" may be well aware of how they type. Besides, it's not like we're typing a Master's Thesis. It is, after all, a game.

Oh yeah, I'm 18.

Anyone experiance an increase in mistyping when you have cold fingers?

Nope. Quite the opposite. In the days when TV was the sole passtime of youth, kid's read LESS then they do on the largly text-based WWW. The internet is a GODSEND to childhood literacy.

Silly luddites.

p.s. the people that are REALLY annoying are the ones who type in alternating (or random) uppercase and lowercase...and add a bazillion exclamation points afterwards (especially if some of them are "1"s).

i.e.: SkItZoKiLLa!!!1!!1

Nope. Quite the opposite. In the days when TV was the sole passtime of youth, kid's read LESS then they do on the largly text-based WWW. The internet is a GODSEND to childhood literacy.

Silly luddites.

Hmm...never thought of it THAT way...

HA! Your right!

i dunno ure just being an elietist nazi saying poeple cant spell its not fair sum of us hvae problems tyoing and maybe we dont want to spell right theres such a thing as freedom of expression u kno
Bad educated moderator, Bad!
Quite. I regularly find myself recalling my misspent youth, working through grammar excercises and writing essays. And yet, when one is confronted with the relative inability of one's peers to express themselves in an adequate fashion, much less an elegant one, it is natural that such memories undergo a reassessment.

Thus some time ago, I concluded that the education systems in the US and UK are undergoing a decline from peaks reached many years ago. "Unlocking the creativity of the child" has given way to a complete lack of will to enforce the compulsory teaching of English. It is a tragedy indeed, and an unavoidably self-perpetuating one, as the imbeciles of today produce the offspring of tomorrow.

methinks it be the presses of print that doeth in the once stout and fair englishe. why then hireth the scribe, or aspireth to write, to wit whence merely minding p's and q's be all that tell? yea, verily, it be the printing press.

I'm afraid I'm not sure how a place where all communication is based in the ability to read and write would be a hotbed of illiteracy. Admittedly, Tactical Grace has made the usual good point, and I suppose the downward spiral could also apply to the internet -- if people spend the majority of their time using l33tspeak, that's what they'll be used to and good at.

i r winnerz.

actually, my english writing skills are seriously inhibited because of the internet. My spelling and grammer are failing horribly, and its gonna kill me when i get back to America.

Part of the problem is that i live in japan, so i cant practice my written english except online.

p.s. the people that are REALLY annoying are the ones who type in alternating (or random) uppercase and lowercase...and add a bazillion exclamation points afterwards (especially if some of them are "1"s).

i.e.: SkItZoKiLLa!!!1!!1


Y3h, that is teh 1338est!!1!11oneoneone

But seriously, I don't think internet forums are creating the problem. But then I suppose I don't know, unless someone has done a study into the difference (or no) in spelling + grammar on internet forums and schoolwork. It might also be due to the other people using the forum, if its more of an intellectual one, such as this one, then you'll probably try and type well.

'Illiterate'.... no. While I don't have any satistics to quote, I'm fairly certain there is a higher percentage of kids, and adults, who are literate because of the internet.

Now, the quality of grammer, and spelling skills.... those might have gone down. But again, i don't have any satistics one way or another.

My guess would be that both have actually gone up. However, with the huge amount of posts and such to read, one is far more likely to find a post mis-typed and spelled in ways which make the language questionable. And those are the posts one remembers. If one reads twenty posts, the one with the misspellings is remembered, and the rest forgotten. Things aren't so bad, they just seem that way. Or such is my guess.

'Illiterate'.... no. While I don't have any satistics to quote, I'm fairly certain there is a higher percentage of kids, and adults, who are literate because of the internet.

Now, the quality of grammer, and spelling skills.... those might have gone down. But again, i don't have any satistics one way or another.

My guess would be that both have actually gone up. However, with the huge amount of posts and such to read, one is far more likely to find a post mis-typed and spelled in ways which make the language questionable. And those are the posts one remembers. If one reads twenty posts, the one with the misspellings is remembered, and the rest forgotten. Things aren't so bad, they just seem that way. Or such is my guess.

Quite. The problem, if it is that, is that the internet has made the semi-literate accessible to the rest of us. Before, inconsiderate brats who felt that what they had to say was important enough to share with the world, but not important enough to couch in correct English/French/German/Welsh/American etc, never had a forum to put their 'thoughts' on the world stage. They were probably actually themselves *less* literate, but also a lot less noticeable.

I'd be the first to admit that fitting a mandatory automated spelling test into the sign-on routine for dial-up internet access would be elitist... mind you, I'd also say it would be a rather amusing idea. You could have exemptions for genuine dyslexics, or people with other disorders they couldn't help, but you'd have to demonstrate that you had a reason other than pure laziness or natural stupidity for being unable to communicate properly in your language of choice, before you could deliver your pearls of wisdom to the rest of us.

All right, so it's a pipe-dream. It would be funny to imagine the expressions on the 'leet' etc gangs faces though.

Okay
This is neat
Watch me turn that quote at the beginning to an E.E. Cumming's Poem

Sheesh!!!!

what's up with kane
he'sgonemental
the last f e w
m o n t h s whenhetook
.that bloody wig and mask off he's gone heel and crappy

c'mon
he lost to spike dudley-do-right-and-not-wrong
and tajri. lastmonthatWMXX
HE
WAS
gettingthrashedbyUndertakerandstartedcrying

.so he sucks and OK we got the big deal
whoopdy-do!
you took off your mask-then-face-then-reality
and get over with it put on
y o u r f r e a k i n' m a s k
which is uglyedthenyourface
and wrestle perfect...

Geez!!!!


Appreciate E.E. Cummings
Tell me I am a Genius

Okay
This is neat
Watch me turn that quote at the beginning to an E.E. Cumming's Poem

Sheesh!!!!

what's up with kane
he'sgonemental
the last f e w
m o n t h s whenhetook
.that bloody wig and mask off he's gone heel and crappy

c'mon
he lost to spike dudley-do-right-and-not-wrong
and tajri. lastmonthatWMXX
HE
WAS
gettingthrashedbyUndertakerandstartedcrying

.so he sucks and OK we got the big deal
whoopdy-do!
you took off your mask-then-face-then-reality
and get over with it put on
y o u r f r e a k i n' m a s k
which is uglyedthenyourface
and wrestle perfect...

Geez!!!!


Appreciate E.E. Cummings
Tell me I am a Genius

I find that a bit disturbing.

Meh, he was a n00b poet. My English teachers cited him as an example of pretentiousness. :roll:

Nope. Quite the opposite. In the days when TV was the sole passtime of youth, kid's read LESS then they do on the largly text-based WWW. The internet is a GODSEND to childhood literacy.

Silly luddites.

Hmm...never thought of it THAT way...

HA! Your right!
Ah--but what are they reading? That's the real question. You can read all you want, but if it's all shit, what good has that done you? :lol:

But nationstates is the exception. There's never any shit around here. :lol:

i dunno ure just being an elietist nazi saying poeple cant spell its not fair sum of us hvae problems tyoing and maybe we dont want to spell right theres such a thing as freedom of expression u knoTactical, maybe...

But certainly not graceful. :P

Meh, he was a n00b poet. My English teachers cited him as an example of pretentiousness. :roll:Early Cummings was a genius. Later, Cummings became a victim of his own success and never progressed beyond the clunky syntax. He became trapped by his own joke.

But his early stuff? That's why I'm a poet today.

Here is an interesting little bit of information for you. I was at a teacher's meeting about a month ago and one of the speakers stated that reading speed and comprehension has increased among students who use internet forums. He said the ability to read and understand forum postings, while scrolling, has attributed largely to this fact. I do not know where he researched this, and it may have been just his own study. I thought it sounded feasible though.

Anything that encourages kids to read is great, I personally dont care what they are reading, so long as they ARE.

Problem is..the willingness to sacrifice full syntax in order to save precious seconds demeans the very language they use.

So while the Internet may be a blessing in some regards, its the anti-christ in others.....

Indeed. I was once the little boy who ran rampant through forums (And Starcraft!) yelling, "Wazzzzaaaahhhhhh" or "omg u r such noobz". It wasn't until I came to the more mature forums like NationStates that I started typing properly and such. I also developed a strong interest in politics, international affairs and debating from NS.

Indeed. I was once the little boy who ran rampant through forums (And Starcraft!) yelling, "Wazzzzaaaahhhhhh" or "omg u r such noobz". It wasn't until I came to the more mature forums like NationStates that I started typing properly and such. I also developed a strong interest in politics, international affairs and debating from NS.Well, I'm glad for that much. :lol:

Many people get bent out of shape about spelling and grammar Nazis, but I have to say that I'm more likely to give a post I disagree with a closer read and more consideration if it's written intelligently than if it's filled with poor grammar and usage (that's the English teacher in me coming out). I really believe in the old adage that sloppy writing or speech equals sloppy thought.

This is a post made by a young person on a proffesional wrestling fansite I occasionally visit...

Im wondering why so many young people simply cannot intelligently articulate themselves?

What do you people think?

Well, you do know the risk of this type of post, don't you? I'll bet money someone's already pointed out that you misspelled professional and missed the apostrophe out of I'm.

No, I don't think it's the Internet that causes it. I do think that the Internet is making it more visible. It's a medium that allows people of just about any degree of education, ability and interest in writing in a particular style to do so. It's quite possible that they're not interested in writing as you might wish them to, not incapable of doing so.

have you ever visited a non-english forum? in many of the swedish "bratboards" as we call them, the real swedish is gone. sure, partly we have signwriting because of the many accents and so on but when people start to put english words in what they are saying you get really afraid. there are a few people in my school who barely can't express themselves without internet-slang, and of course, their own modified version of english. :roll:

hmm. maby a way to encourage children is to promote language use in argumental and discussive situations. beacuse we learn how to use our intellect through our encounters with our fellow students and our fellow students are usually not the prime examples of social advancement that we would seek even for everyday conversation. maby school should focus more on how to handle yourself intelligently during 4th and 5th grades than on how to put it on paper. their should be a unit on that in english classes during late grammer school through to the end of high school. but in addition to current teachings, but with improvements to reading material. it would also help to encourage the readings of more advanced books for younger children. i was reading at a 12th grade level when i was in 6th grade . i was reading books sutch as "enders game", "lovelock", & "Homecoming" all by orson scott card at ages 10 and 11. i also enjoyed books based on the star wars settings beacuse thay stimulated my imagination. in conclusion maby its what their saying not how their saying it that matters. thay just might not know how to respond correctly while you put it to bad spelling and punctuation while it could be coming from someone with my writing ability but with a wvastly superior intelect that just cant get their p's and q's straight. And damn this keyboadr all to hell its made for hands half my size.

maby school should focus more on how to handle yourself intelligently during 4th and 5th grades than on how to put it on paper. their should be a unit on that in english classes during late grammer school through to the end of high school.

You're not wrong there, but I do think that paper skills are quite useful and important too.

Part of our English curriculum was a weekly debate, five per side, on an issue chosen the week before. As well as heightening confidence in speaking publicly, it also stimulated our research skills - we quite often were given topics about which we knew very little!

I'd be the first to admit that fitting a mandatory automated spelling test into the sign-on routine for dial-up internet access would be elitist... mind you, I'd also say it would be a rather amusing idea.
<*snip*>
All right, so it's a pipe-dream. It would be funny to imagine the expressions on the 'leet' etc gangs faces though.

Actaully, such things do exist, though they cme after the fact, rather than prior, and tend to be somewhat more lax than most would care for.

Think on it. If I were to use horrid 'L33T' on these boards, ranting on whatever topic, how long would it be before someone mentioned it to a moderator, or a moderator noticed directly. There is something of a lowest acceptable level. Too low for my tastes, but then, I'm an elitist dictator... or so it suggests in my country's description.

Nope. Quite the opposite. In the days when TV was the sole pastime of youth, kid's read LESS then they do on the largely text-based WWW. The Internet is a GODSEND to childhood literacy.

Silly luddites.

Hmm...never thought of it THAT way...

HA! Your right!
Ah--but what are they reading? That's the real question. You can read all you want, but if it's all shit, what good has that done you? :lol:

But nationstates is the exception. There's never any shit around here. :lol:That is the argument that was made about the pulp magazines that so-called 'educators' were all so nostalgic for after the ascendancy of the comic book which many have looked back on with teary eyes when contemplating the illiterate wasteland of TV. Now the kids are beginning to have fun with the written word again and that is all that matters. Shitty Internet content is the gateway to reading in its more fulfilling aspects. Please save your Chicken Little nonsense for the coming ascendancy of near textless broadband content.