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GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike, dealing another major blow to the militant group before a planned U.S.-backed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WPRC2H3EKHS3ICRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=494800§ion=news

They keep killing Palestinians and then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.

They keep killing Palestinians and then think then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.

Assassinating a known terrorist who's plotting attacks in your nation after a good thirty or forty years of fairly constant armed conflict "initiates" a cycle of violence? Welcome to reality. It's really fairly short-sighted to fault any group entirely for the present situation in the Middle East.

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GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike, dealing another major blow to the militant group before a planned U.S.-backed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WPRC2H3EKHS3ICRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=494800§ion=news

They keep killing Palestinians and then think then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.

Israelis kill terrorist leaders. Palestinians kill women and children on buses.

Speaking of which, why would anyone ride a bus in Israel? You always see them being blown up.

Well I'd imagine that its pretty cheap, as well as the chances aren't astronomically high, because there are probably so many buses that run every day that the chances of *your* bus being the one in which the terrorists blow themselves up is pretty lose.

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike, dealing another major blow to the militant group before a planned U.S.-backed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WPRC2H3EKHS3ICRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=494800§ion=news

They keep killing Palestinians and then think then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.

Israelis kill terrorist leaders. Palestinians kill women and children on buses.

Speaking of which, why would anyone ride a bus in Israel? You always see them being blown up.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/Palestinian_intifada_fact_sheet.htm

Palestinians Killed: 2,859. 527 of those were children. 82% were civilians.

Palestinians Wounded: 41,000+ wounded. In West Bank: 35.7% were children. Gaza Strip: 20% were children. UNICEF estimates 7000 children wounded.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

Palestinians Killed: 2,828. 535 children.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/injuries.html

Palestinians Wounded: 25,484. 35.7% in West Bank were children. 20% in Gaza were children.

From IDF:

106 children killed. 667 civilians of other ages. Total 943 Israelis. 6,302 Israelis wounded.


BIG DIFFERENCE! 2800+ compared to 943 and thousands of Palestinian children killed and injured.

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is he that much of a racist pig?

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is the that much of a racist pig?
Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is the that much of a racist pig?
Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

That's a lie.

The majority of the best land would be taken by Israel and exchanged for the desert of Negev. Settlements would remain. Bypass roads would remain. Borders with Jordan and Egypt would be controlled by Israel. Utilities like electricity and water would be controlled by Israel. That's not a country. He was right to reject such a thing like that.

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is the that much of a racist pig?
Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

Arafat is a useless piece of crap too

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is the that much of a racist pig?
Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

Arafat is a useless piece of crap too

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is the that much of a racist pig?
Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

Arafat is a useless piece of crap too

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is he that much of a racist pig?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635755.stm
Mr Rantissi was one of the most forceful spokesmen against compromise with Israel.

So how is getting rid of this guy a bad thing?

Israelis kill terrorist leaders. Palestinians kill women and children on buses.

Speaking of which, why would anyone ride a bus in Israel? You always see them being blown up.

Not all.

Sharon's a moron and a war criminal. Really... If you go far bck enough, It was the arabs that started the fighting in 48. On the other hand, it wsa really sstupid for the UN to mandate a country for the jews in the middle east, why couldn't they have given them a peice of america instead? As for complaining about the casulties, both sides are hypocritical. On one side, the palistinians claim to be a liberating army, but attack purely civilian targets and complain when the israelis kill their leadership... On the other hand, Israel is a repressive regiem, and is fighting against geurrillas that want a home in much the same way that the british fought the jews in palistine.....

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is he that much of a racist pig?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635755.stm
Mr Rantissi was one of the most forceful spokesmen against compromise with Israel.

So how is getting rid of this guy a bad thing?

its not--but why is Ariel Sharon allowed to live? its not fair

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is he that much of a racist pig?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635755.stm
Mr Rantissi was one of the most forceful spokesmen against compromise with Israel.

So how is getting rid of this guy a bad thing?

its not--but why is Ariel Sharon allowed to live? its not fair

why does Ariel Sharon keep promoting a mideast holocaust? Whats so hard about just recognizing a Palestinian state? is he that much of a racist pig?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635755.stm
Mr Rantissi was one of the most forceful spokesmen against compromise with Israel.

So how is getting rid of this guy a bad thing?

its not--but why is Ariel Sharon allowed to live? its not fair

He will probably have a heart attack or fall down a staircase. But at least he has no chance of being re-elected.

I am so glad that Rantasi (check sp) ******* is dead. THat is one more terrorist explaining his misdeeds to Allah. I guess he can forget the 72 virgins when God sends him to meet Satan.

Al Anbar, what do you have against the killing of a mass murderer. I doubt you would approve of killing Hitler. You disagree with the killing of other mass murderers of Jews.

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Israelis kill terrorist leaders. Palestinians kill women and children on buses.

That's because Palestinians have no other effective way of fighting back. They don't have helicopter gunships and thousands of troops backed up by the US, they only have themsleves and small explosives that can only be used in the type of warfare they perform.

And let's not forget it was their land and it was stolen from them at the point of a gun barrel. The US has backed Israel with nucelar weapons and enough firepower to make sure that nobody can dislodge it, and it continues to sit there as the only non-Arab nation in the Arab world. They took the land forcibly and the Palestinians see themselves as totally justified in attampting, as best they can with what little they have, to gain control back over their own soil.

It's terrible when anybody dies and I wish the conflict was over right now so no more innocent people died, but it's too easy to blame the Palestinians and do a GWB trick and label everybody we don't like as terrorists, instead of looking at the real reasons why the conflict exists in the first place.

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Ask Arafat - he's the one that rejected the last peace plan that gave the Palestinians over 90% of the occupied territories.

Arafat rejected the last peace plan because it fell short of what they have been asking for, and what was promised to them by the US and Israel. Palestinians were supposed to have all the land taken in the illegal 1967 war returned to them. Sharon had agreed, the US had agreed, and Palestine had agreed. Then Sharon fronts up and says he will only allow 90% of it to be given back now.
Hmm .... now can anybody see why it might be rejected?

Holy crap I cannot believe that you can call Israel "Nazis". Dont you see the irony in that? I do not believe that Israel is wrong at all for defending their country, people, and territory, and I think that if they really wanted to, the Palestinians could get their asses out of those refugee camps where they have rotted for 50 years and do something with themselves. Palestinians choose to live in camps, and choose to kill innocent Israelis, and when Israel rightfully strikes back against Palestinian militants, not Palestinian civillians, the Palestinians use it as an excuse to go after innocent Israeli citizens and kill them, to achieve their real goals. Here are the Palestinian goals: 1. Drive Israel and all Jews into the sea, 2. Establish a Muslim Fundamentalist Dictatorship on Sharia law and modeled after the awful, despotic states of Iran and Syria. Then, the rest of the Arab world and most western liberals give the Palestinians sympathy and support for this. God, if you guys really knew anything about what you were talking about the world would be soooooooo much better.

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike, dealing another major blow to the militant group before a planned U.S.-backed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WPRC2H3EKHS3ICRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=494800§ion=news

They keep killing Palestinians and then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.
My sympathy is suspended with a guy like Rantisi. He repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel. Now, I'm sure that no one, not even many in the Arab world, want Israel destroyed (I say not many in the Arab world if you recall the Riyadh peace plan of 2002). Rantisi was always a target, but being Hamas's leader made him #1 on the list. While I'm not the biggest fan of of the current actions of Israel, I fully sympathize with them about Rantisi.

Israelis kill terrorist leaders. Palestinians kill women and children on buses.

That's because Palestinians have no other effective way of fighting back.

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I bet those British armored cars looked pretty scary, too.

Arafat rejected the last peace plan because it fell short of what they have been asking for, and what was promised to them by the US and Israel. Palestinians were supposed to have all the land taken in the illegal 1967 war returned to them. Sharon had agreed, the US had agreed, and Palestine had agreed. Then Sharon fronts up and says he will only allow 90% of it to be given back now.
Hmm .... now can anybody see why it might be rejected?
Seems interesting, I believe Ehud Barak was the Prime Minister at the time.

Holy crap I cannot believe that you can call Israel "Nazis". Dont you see the irony in that? I do not believe that Israel is wrong at all for defending their country, people, and territory, and I think that if they really wanted to, the Palestinians could get their asses out of those refugee camps where they have rotted for 50 years and do something with themselves. Palestinians choose to live in camps, and choose to kill innocent Israelis, and when Israel rightfully strikes back against Palestinian militants, not Palestinian civillians, the Palestinians use it as an excuse to go after innocent Israeli citizens and kill them, to achieve their real goals. Here are the Palestinian goals: 1. Drive Israel and all Jews into the sea, 2. Establish a Muslim Fundamentalist Dictatorship on Sharia law and modeled after the awful, despotic states of Iran and Syria. Then, the rest of the Arab world and most western liberals give the Palestinians sympathy and support for this. God, if you guys really knew anything about what you were talking about the world would be soooooooo much better.

I suppose the 527 children that have died as a result of Israels attacks since 2001 were all terrorists and militants intent on subverting and destroying Israel. Although Israel does not actively target civlians they do very little to ensure that they are not killed or wounded in these attacks and show absolutely no remorse or sympathy when they are. The Palestinians are not the only ones with innocent blood on their hands.

I too agree that a country has the right to defend itself, yet it seems to me that distinguishing offence from defence is becoming increasingly difficult in the "pre-emptive" world in which we live. I think the thousands of civlians that have died as a result of Israels actions might argue that it has overstepped the boundary on occasion.

The views you have assigned to the Palestinians and to 'Western liberals' do not reflect the vast majority of their opinions particularly in the case of the latter. Most Palestinians want to see a peaceful solution and not to "drive Israel into the sea" a quote which I believe originated from Hamas. 'Western liberals' do not support the destruction of Israel and the fact that I even need to say that is pretty appalling as it's so blindingly obvious.

Conservatives and Republicans seem to have established this trend of late whereby they incorrectly assign ridiculous opinions to anyone who disagrees with them rather than actually engaging in debate. It's kind of sad because not only is it a failure of democracy, it's a failure of intelligence.

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated top Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike, dealing another major blow to the militant group before a planned U.S.-backed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WPRC2H3EKHS3ICRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=494800§ion=news

They keep killing Palestinians and then cry when they are killed by suicide bombs. They initiate the cycle of violence not the Palestinians.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

While I don't condone the assassination(s) that Israel carries out, I can't say that I blame them very much. If the Palestinians are willing to go so far as to use innocent teenagers as unwilling participants in their militant struggle for freedom, I can't very well fault the Israelis for assassinating the leaders of the Palestinian organization.