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I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration

maybe you should stick to copying and pasting...

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration

I believe pigs can fly :P

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice. I'm sorry France is what again?

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administrationWhoa, down boy!

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice. I'm sorry France is what again?

France was demonized by the hate media in the US for speaking truth to power

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice. I'm sorry France is what again?

France was demonized by the hate media in the US for speaking truth to power

America will turn Democratic when Kerry gets Elected

America will turn Democratic when Kerry gets Elected

Kerry can restore American credibility in the world

When you say the rest of the world, you mean Europe+Canada. I'm sure other nations of the world diasagree whole-heartedly with the United States policies, but I'm sure that others agree. After all, many nations declared there support for the military actions. So, you are obviously under the impression that the United States acted unilateraly. This is simply not the case.
France demonized? Perhaps somewhat. Yet, the French Media also demonized America, so don't act so hurt. Did you know that one of the top-selling books in France last year stated that the US government was behind the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.
Oh yes, and before you go around pulling the phrase "illegal war" straight from your book of catch phrases, think about the technicalities. War was never declared.
Kerry win the election? A possibility. However, they way I see it, Americans have a choice. They can either choose a smart individual who isn't the most articulate, or a smart individual who's opinion sways where the polls go...no matter what. Oh, and if Kerry is elected, America will not turn democratic. It will always remain a state in constant conflict with itself.

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day
Why?

Kerry can restore American credibility in the world
That's why I will be supporting Bush. :D

(Sadly, being British, I can't actually vote for him)

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

Fox News may be the biggest load of bull in existence, but it's funny to watch. As it AM radio. It's only scary when you realize that there are people who take such fascist preachings to heart.

After all, many nations declared there support for the military actions.

True, but you must also note that the vast majority of the national populations of these countries were against the war.

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

By "rightwing liars" you mean "Democrats"?

I love watching FOX News. I always watch BBC News 24 for the in-depth coverage, and then check out the mood in Europe and America by watching EuroNews (or whatever) and FOX and comparing.

I do not understand why the Democratic and Republican Parties don't merge. They vote so often together with the same issues. There is little real difference between them....

Did you know that one of the top-selling books in France last year stated that the US government was behind the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center. So what does that prove?

Oh, and if Kerry is elected, America will not turn democratic. It will always remain a state in constant conflict with itself.
Isnt that Democray in theory?

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day
Why?

if you have to ask why to such a question then you are truly lost

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

Fox News may be the biggest load of bull in existence, but it's funny to watch. As it AM radio. It's only scary when you realize that there are people who take such fascist preachings to heart.

the only thing worth listening to on AM is Air America--especially Randi Rhodes show

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

Fox News may be the biggest load of bull in existence, but it's funny to watch. As it AM radio. It's only scary when you realize that there are people who take such fascist preachings to heart.

the only thing worth listening to on AM is Air America--especially Randi Rhodes show

If had read the post, the book about the World Trade Center proves that while the French were demonized by the Americans, the Americans were demonized by the French.
When I said democratic, I meant the party..not the system. My mistake..it should read, "Democrat"-ic.

If you had read the post, the book about the World Trade Center proves that while the French were demonized by the Americans, the Americans were demonized by the French.
When I said democratic, I meant the party..not the system. My mistake..it should read, "Democrat"-ic.

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice.

well they certainly wont hear about it from the rightwing liars who hijacked the media in america--thats why liberating the media from rightwing nazis is one of the most important things patriots can do to restore democracy in America

Fox News may be the biggest load of bull in existence, but it's funny to watch. As it AM radio. It's only scary when you realize that there are people who take such fascist preachings to heart.

the only thing worth listening to on AM is Air America--especially Randi Rhodes show

Incorrect. The only things worth listening to on AM are traffic advisories and baseball games.

If you had read the post, the book about the World Trade Center proves that while the French were demonized by the Americans, the Americans were demonized by the French.
When I said democratic, I meant the party..not the system. My mistake..it should read, "Democrat"-ic.

No it doesnt prove there was demonisation at all.

Ok, so maybe it doesn't prove that there was demonization. Just the fact that the French media openly supported a book claiming that the United States was responsible for sending two airlines into it's own buildings and killing thousands of innocent people.
Well, then their is no proof that the French were demonized by the American media. We reach a compromise.

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

Bush ALLOWED 911 to happen and while americans were dying in the rubble of the world trade center Bush was aiding americas enemies by evacuating the Bin Ladens--theres NO LINKAGE at all between Saddam and terrorism

He was evacuating the Bin Ladens? I see. This is news to me. I have never heard this in any argument before. Could you be a little more specific.
Bush did not "allow" 9/11 to happen. It happened because of the Clinton administrations weak responses to previous terrorist actions.
You're wrong about the link between Saddam and terrorism. Transmitions have been found in Iraq detailing the fact that Saddam had communicated with Al Quida and offered his support and Iraq as a refuge.

Really? Oh damn that liberal media for not reporting it. I feel like such a tool.

Anac I have a question for you. When the WTC bombings happened did you blame Bush Snr. for them? Or Clinton? OR were you too young to care? Who's fault do you think they would have been. And I dont see how the french media Acknowledging a books existing shows America is demonised in france.

However. I feel that Demonization is a strong word, but sometihng like that probably happened since France and The U.S are similiar culturally in many ways.

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day
Why?

if you have to ask why to such a question then you are truly lost
I'm not lost. I just have a fun time playing Devil's Advocate. But really, if the global economy faltered, millions would die.

Well considering FOXnews, CNN, and NBC (briefly) mentioned it, I'm sure I can't chalk it up to you're "toolness". Don't worry about it. You can't catch everything.
On the other issue. No, I didn't blame Bush Sr. or Clinton for the attacks. I didn't blame Bush Jr. either. I blamed the ones who carried out the attacks and those that ordered it. It is my beleif that both Clinton and Bush (suprise) could have done more to prevent the attack. Clinton should have taken Bin Laden in '96 and Bush should have been tougher on national Security issues. Clinton ignored the grwoing problem for 8 years, Bush did for 8 months.
The media in France not only acknowledged the book , but actively supported it. Several stations (television and radio) did stories about how interesting and insightful the book was and recomended it. Newspapers too supported it.

I'm not lost. I just have a fun time playing Devil's Advocate. But really, if the global economy faltered, millions would die.

Yeah from all the stock dudes comitting suicide :lol:
And I dont see how some good book reviews equate to...

......

What are saying now?

eehhh...forget the argument about demonization. Call it what you will. The two countries have been on rocky terms for years.

Oh yes, and before you go around pulling the phrase "illegal war" straight from your book of catch phrases, think about the technicalities. War was never declared.

phew, cause all my problems with the war hold no weight because they never actually declared it.

I'm not saying it should dismiss your worries, just that the phrase "illegal war" is misleading.

eehhh...forget the argument about demonization. Call it what you will. The two countries have been on rocky terms for years.

Not really until the Iraq war. And its fair to say it was illegal. But it doesnt matter now

It's been slowly building up since the fall of the Soviet Union. The US disagrees with many French policies and France disagrees with many American policies.

America will turn Democratic when Kerry gets Elected Umm if he gets elected. The NRA don't like him too much......

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

Bush ALLOWED 911 to happen and while americans were dying in the rubble of the world trade center Bush was aiding americas enemies by evacuating the Bin Ladens--theres NO LINKAGE at all between Saddam and terrorism
Then what happened in Afghanistan?

The NRA doesnt like lots of stuff. I'd much rather be told what to think by howard stern than Charlton Heston, though come to think of it he's pretty funny too.

And I dont think you are right Anac. The world had 8 years of clinton. The world grew used to the American president seeming to care what they thought. This was especially important now Globalisation was in full swing. We all had to get along if we were gonna be of one culture, one currency and one governemnt. Then Bush was elected and he blew everyone off.

Then what happened in Afghanistan?

I dunno, lotsa stuff Id imagine....

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

For about the 1 millionth time on nationstates: THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA. I'm also a little tired of posters condemning the likes of China and France for their history of dealings with Iraq and conveniently forgetting that for many years Suddam Hussein was a close friend of the US who they enjoyed doing business with.

It's been slowly building up since the fall of the Soviet Union. The US disagrees with many French policies and France disagrees with many American policies.

Even before, France refused to let the USA fly over them to bomb Libya.

I just had an idea--if every country in the entire world would all just band together and cut off all diplomatic and economic ties to the USA and all withdraw support for the illegitimate war in Iraq and have the UN declare the USA an outlaw regime then I truely believe this would all result in American voters throwing the bloodstained plastic hearted corporate parasite Cheney and his smirking pet chimp Bush out of office this year and sanity can be restored in the world under a new democratic administration
Good idea. Without America for even a day, the world economy would be really hurt.

perhaps we should put human life before money for a day

Red, Red, Red . . . Let me ask you something, what in this world gets done without money? Let's talk food for example - say corn. The farmer needs to be compensated for his long, hard labor in bringing in the crop. To do less would be unfair & unreasonable - not to mention it would take that farmer out of the picture on the next crop which will not happen.

Now let's look at the storage facility owner/operator. He has invested in facilities for the proper storage of the crop so that the maximum amount will make it out to the market. The staff there, as well as the businesses that service his needs, must be compensated. To do less would take that facility out of the picture and cause unemployment to thiose that make a living servicing it.

Next look at the transporters of that crop. They have invested in trains and trucks that move that raw material to processing plants which turn turn the raw materials they receive from various sources and make a finished food product. They then take that finished product to distribution centers. The distribution centers then send the product out to wholesalers who then send it to retailers. All these people incur costs, the greatest part of which is labor, and without any one of them the food distribution system collapses and many, many people become unemployed.

Unemployed people run out of benefits after six short months. If they cannot find work elsewhere then they soon cannot eat or stay in their present home. So now those people are hungry and homeless.

All because you have have a snit after your belly is full of Cocoa Puffs that the world is not as virtuous and selfless as you think you are.

The real world is full of people who would gladly cut your throat because they hate you. They hate you even if you proclaim your deep and abiding care and concern for them. Son, it is a very cruel world. You say you hate Bush & Co. - Your idea of demons amplifys your ignorance.

Do you really believe that the average Abdul in The Middle and Near Far East are suffering because of American policies? Son, we are the biggest consumer of their product, oil. We have paid hundreds of billions of dollars to them over the years since oil was discovered there. Where has that money gone? Has the average Saleem had the chance for an education anywhere near approaching yours? Has the money been spent on hospitals? On housing? Where has all that money gone?

Not to enrich the lives of the populace. It has stayed in the hands of the powerful few there. The Saddam Hussein's, The Saud family, the potentates who have convinced their people (and ignorant westerners) that America is at the root of all the evil that afflicts them - all the while the Swiss, French and Germans get fat from their lies and perpetuate them for their own aggrandizement and greed.

Son, there is so much s^!t really behind all this that there is no easy answer. There is no one fall guy. No Republican, No Democrat or no particular international player is clean. At it's root is each country and each personality looking to serve their own interests, their own needs, their own appetite for power, their own greed.

From an American pov, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II all dropped the ball. Clinton was ignoring foreign affairs in this arena completely because he - like many before him wanted so badly to be the one who brokered peace in the Middle East. Bush I failed in his blind ambition for a "New World Order" that he folded in Gulf I when he should have taken Saddam out at that time. Bush II didn't have the intelligence (not personal) network needed to ferret out the specifics regarding 9-11 but more so he should have acted on the attack on The Cole much more aggressively - even though that attack took place in Clinton's waning weeks. They all failed (as did we all) to perceive the growing threat from Islamic terrorists like bin Laden when the USSR collapsed. We all thought it would never happen here - even after 2-26-93. Oklahoma City and the Olympic attacks were judged to be home grown - not foreign - terrorists.

They all were wrong. Dismantling the CIA and cutting back hard on defense rather than refocusing it was a grave error. No matter how it forced the 'balanced budget' numbers.

We were wrong. We were busy blowing sunshine up each others arse all the while plots and plans were being formulated against us. Now we have to grow up out of our eternal American adolescence and face the fact that there is a dangerous world out there and we must take steps necessary to our survival. Taking out Saddam Hussein was in our interests. It sends the right message to our enemies.

:shock:

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

For about the 1 millionth time on nationstates: THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA. I'm also a little tired of posters condemning the likes of China and France for their history of dealings with Iraq and conveniently forgetting that for many years Suddam Hussein was a close friend of the US who they enjoyed doing business with.

Hmm... so you are an intelligence analyst? On whose authority do you make that assertion?

:shock:

No because they already have americans thinking the world hates them.
I wonder If Americans would even notice. I'm sorry France is what again?

France was demonized by the hate media in the US for speaking truth to power
You mean how France had secret oil deals with Iraq and told Iraq how to avoid American intelligence gathering methods?

We told America to piss off when they wanted to bring nuclear powered ships here, and then we told them to piss off again when they wanted us to go into Iraq, and then we did anyway on a minor scale (engineers and medical personal). Economics will do that to a country of 4 million.

We told America to piss off when they wanted to bring nuclear powered ships here, and then we told them to piss off again when they wanted us to go into Iraq, and then we did anyway on a minor scale (engineers and medical personal). Economics will do that to a country of 4 million.

Who is "WE"?

:shock:

Look. When attacked, you don't run and hide, and hope that the people won't attack you anymore if you just leave them alone. You retaliate. Saddam was supporting terrorism against the United States and the West. The United States did what it did for its national security.
As for lives over money, you're absolutely right. China and France whould take heed of your statement. Instead of worrying about the thousands of Iraqi and Kurdish people being raped, mutilated, and killed, they sat by and sold technology to the Iraqis. Granted the United States isn't perfect, but they did see that. Ask any Kuwaiti what they thought of those who protested they first Gulf War, and they'll tell you that the protesters had no idea what life was like under Saddam's control.

For about the 1 millionth time on nationstates: THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA. I'm also a little tired of posters condemning the likes of China and France for their history of dealings with Iraq and conveniently forgetting that for many years Suddam Hussein was a close friend of the US who they enjoyed doing business with.

Hmm... so you are an intelligence analyst? On whose authority do you make that assertion?

:shock:

On the authority of George Bush who despite desperately searching for evidence indicative of the contrary was forced to make that assertion himself.