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Well even though the timing of this isn't so good, there is a reason. I know the Conservative opinion on this, I know mine, it rhymes with ill the apist.

I just wondered what view liberals held on this issue.

Pretty much the same, at least for me. Kill 'em dead, that way they won't get a chance to do it again.

Yep. I'm a liberal and I say. Come on, any loser that can't get sex without raping someone deserves to die.

i'm neither liberal nor conservative, but i am completely in favor of executing rapists. by violating another person in that manner a rapist has ceded any right to respect or life, so once he (or she) has been given a fair trial and been convicted fairly i think one appeal within a year should be granted and then that's it.

the problem is, a lot of the sick pups who do this to others have been viciously abused, sexually and otherwise, themselves.

I say: confine and therapy... and if the rapist becomes a repeat offender when freed, then jail for life.

the problem is, a lot of the sick pups who do this to others have been viciously abused, sexually and otherwise, themselves.

I say: confine and therapy... and if the rapist becomes a repeat offender when freed, then jail for life.

Logical Half: I completely agree

Primitive Half: They should be beaten in the town square, tied to the back of car and then drag them down a highway for a couple of hours, or until the car runs out of gas. If anything is left over release them back into public and I doubt they'll ever do it again.

That would be sure to stop rape. You be a funny man. Sick in the head, but funny.

Not all rape is done sexually. Just ask BMV. His people used to rape and pillage lands all the time. Now that kind of rape technically isn’t a crime, it’s just war spoils.

And what do you suppose we demons do with the other rapists? :twisted:
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HANG THE BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!

If someone violates another in this way, which I believe to be the greatest form of personal violations, I think that person should have the same or worse* done to them, and only exceuted if there are enough facts to support the rape claim (DNA, etc) because I believe that the death penalty is to extreme, and impossible to correct if an error is made in trial or investigation.

*example: shoving a rusty, metal pipe up the rapists arse, because that's how the victim feels, most likely worse, durring the rape and for the rest of their life.

Though liberal on most issues, in such crimes, I believe in payback.

Jail time and theropy. If they refuse treatment then castration. If they offend a second time then castration and continuing theropy and jailtime.

DNA tests would have to be conclusive before castration is given however, as it is a rather brutal form of punishment.

Jail time and theropy. If they refuse treatment then castration. If they offend a second time then castration and continuing theropy and jailtime.

DNA tests would have to be conclusive before castration is given however, as it is a rather brutal form of punishment.

Castration has shown to be ineffective...rape isn't about sex..it's about power..a rapist who has been either physically or chemically castrated would merely use whatever else was at his disposal..in some cases it could even increase to further acts of violence.i.e..a broken bottle.a baseball bat..etc..

Sexual predators and offenders in the US suffer a recidivism rate of over 85%....that means at least 8 times out of 10 they'll be guaranteed to do it over and over again....therapy...perhaps only if I've sold off all his wordly goods and used him as slave labor to pay for it...my taxes already go to 3 hots and a cot..I shouldn't have to pay for his shrink..put him on a chain gang pulling up stumps or working a farm.

Castration takes away their sense of power. That is what rapists consider power. So it wouldn't be ineffected. Besides, rapists don't get castrated in the US or western Europe as far as I know. So how would it be proven ineffective? Although I may be wrong. Prove me if I am. I'm up to a debate.

All rapists should be castrated, unless they didn't use their genitals, in that case, their genitals, hands and tongue should be removed.

All rapists should be castrated, unless they didn't use their genitals, in that case, their genitals, hands and tongue should be removed.

Yes they should.

Sexual predators and offenders in the US suffer a recidivism rate of over 85%....that means at least 8 times out of 10 they'll be guaranteed to do it over and over again....

I call into question your 85% recidivism value.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#sex

Even a fairly extensive study done in Canada doesn't show an 85% recidivism rate across the board.

http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/publications/corrections/Age200101_e.asp

[Note that I am in no way saying that "Rape is okay". What I'm saying is that as despicable as rape is, don't throw around numbers unless you have some backing to them]

Well I'm pretty tough on crime, Although I'm not for condeming rapists to death. Should we kill someone just for commiting a crime, no we should try to rehabilitate them into society, where they may be productive members of the labor force. However if rehabilitating them fails we should just keep them locked up, as we're just as low as them, if we send them to gallows.

Castration takes away their sense of power. That is what rapists consider power. So it wouldn't be ineffected. Besides, rapists don't get castrated in the US or western Europe as far as I know. So how would it be proven ineffective? Although I may be wrong. Prove me if I am. I'm up to a debate.

As I said before..the sense of power doesn't come from a penis, but from the mind..a rapist would use any other object available....I've read of a couple lesbian rapists who utilized strapons strangely.

You guys suck. Torture is the way to go.

Chemical castration does the job nicely i'd say. Or any form of castration really.

Sounds fair enough. You attack another human being you deserve what you get.

Yep. I'm a liberal and I say. Come on, any loser that can't get sex without raping someone deserves to die.
How barbaric. There have been many instances where women have claimed rape when in fact it was not true. Even if the rape is factual, it certainly is not worth executing the individual The individual definitely needs help.

if they are desperate enough to rape then the chances are good there is probably very little "help" for them

but your point about women lying about rape is true. maybe the government should introduce execution or violent castration as the punishment for CONVICTED rapists, so they definately did it and therefore need to be punished :D

An aquaintance of mine once nearly killed a guy who raped a female friend of his. He and some of his buddies kidnapped the guy, beat him in the balls with a lead pipe, then dropped him off naked on the side of the highway.

Another time, one of my cousin's friends was raped, so me and two of my cousins (along with a bunch of my cousins' fellow gang members) got together and knabbed the guy. They were the ones to beat him up and blow his #### off with a 9mm, but it was my idea to off him using the old 'concrete shoes' routine.

And if you don't know, I'm bull####ing you, though that's pretty much my opinion on the whole matter right there.

Not death penalty, but make them wish it was.

I like the dragging behind a car idea. Only sprinkle what's left with salt, then stick them in a hammock and jostle it alot. then another car "ride, but on a beach. Then give the remnants to the public

Chemical castration and life imprisonment.

All rapists should be castrated, unless they didn't use their genitals, in that case, their genitals, hands and tongue should be removed.

I agree. Hackers, on the other hand, should have their fingers ground off with a power sander... right, Seph?

Zoloft

How about a prison sentence?

Mutilation is a barbarous form of punishment.

I say life imprisonment.

Rape is a Crime

No shit?

Ideally I'd say dunk the sickos in a vat of boiling acid, but realistically just lock em up for life. Life meaning life, they should never be allowed the chance to traumatise anybody else.

All rapists should be castrated, unless they didn't use their genitals, in that case, their genitals, hands and tongue should be removed.

I agree. Hackers, on the other hand, should have their fingers ground off with a power sander... right, Seph?

Zoloft

And whats wrong with wanting to make my computer faster? Your comparision is poor, a better example rould be pick pockets. The term hacker meaning someone who takes something apart in order to understand it/someone who wishes to solve problems... should not be used as you are propegating a media myth created by companies such as Microsoft in order to stop people from evaluate holes in their software or creating an operating system with superior capabilities (and sadly in order to make anything talk to windows you have to make it very broken... Ironically *ix based systems serve microsoft protocols more efficently then microsoft servers...
Anyway sorry offtopic but your hacker comment annoyed me :c)

Mutilation is a barbarous form of punishment.

I say life imprisonment.

Chemical castration does not involve mutilation

Mutilation is a barbarous form of punishment.

I say life imprisonment.

Chemical castration does not involve mutilation

It does if the chemical is sulfuric acid. :D

"RAPE IS A CRIME"

It is?

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All rapists should be castrated, unless they didn't use their genitals, in that case, their genitals, hands and tongue should be removed.

I agree. Hackers, on the other hand, should have their fingers ground off with a power sander... right, Seph?

Zoloft

And whats wrong with wanting to make my computer faster? Your comparision is poor, a better example rould be pick pockets. The term hacker meaning someone who takes something apart in order to understand it/someone who wishes to solve problems... should not be used as you are propegating a media myth created by companies such as Microsoft in order to stop people from evaluate holes in their software or creating an operating system with superior capabilities (and sadly in order to make anything talk to windows you have to make it very broken... Ironically *ix based systems serve microsoft protocols more efficently then microsoft servers...
Anyway sorry offtopic but your hacker comment annoyed me :c)

Sorry. Next time I'll use the PC term "cracker" and add the :roll: smilie...
Anyway, I just wanted to show off my new cordless orbital sander to good ol' Seph... *Rrrrrrzzzzzzzzzzz*

Well, I just plain don't agree with the concept of the death penalty, but I support equal punishment for rapists and murderers.
Why, if I may ask, is this bad timing?

Can't see how murder and rape can be compaired. Yes punish both, but not with the same sentance.
Sexual assault is a broad crime and can be far less or far more terrible than rape. How do you punish that?

My only caveat would be to be sure the person accused gets a fair trial, and that includes the right to confront his accuser.

Simply because someone is accused does not make him guilty. Remember due process.

I succesfully defended two rape cases. The police, DA, and judge told me to take a plea, the guys were obviously guilty. They weren't, period. The juries agreed with me. Their only crime was to get someone mad who was mean enough to then fabricate a story.

My only caveat would be to be sure the person accused gets a fair trial, and that includes the right to confront his accuser.

Simply because someone is accused does not make him guilty. Remember due process.

I succesfully defended two rape cases. The police, DA, and judge told me to take a plea, the guys were obviously guilty. They weren't, period. The juries agreed with me. Their only crime was to get someone mad who was mean enough to then fabricate a story.

And what if your clients had snowed you?....How would you look at the victim?...

My only caveat would be to be sure the person accused gets a fair trial, and that includes the right to confront his accuser.

Simply because someone is accused does not make him guilty. Remember due process.

I succesfully defended two rape cases. The police, DA, and judge told me to take a plea, the guys were obviously guilty. They weren't, period. The juries agreed with me. Their only crime was to get someone mad who was mean enough to then fabricate a story.

And what if your clients had snowed you?....How would you look at the victim?...
Said it before and I'll say it again. the French system is better.

I think date-rape type stuff should require extensive social therapy and "re-education" type treatment. Most date rape cases, I think, come from very very stunted social skills on the part of the rapist. If we could just teach people when the hell "no" means "no" and not "hey, get me to pass out and rape the shit out of me".

Overall, I think that date rape as a problem can only be eliminated by a larger social change- I don't really think that date rape is as horrific as violent rape, but it is a very serious offense- the growth of which is indicitive of a much larger communication problem in our society. We need to teach men how to "just figure out" what's okay and what's not. Basic social skills, people.

Violent rape, however, should be punished by castration. Not that weak-ass surgical kind either.

More the kind that involves swords.

I think date-rape type stuff should require extensive social therapy and "re-education" type treatment. Most date rape cases, I think, come from very very stunted social skills on the part of the rapist. If we could just teach people when the hell "no" means "no" and not "hey, get me to pass out and rape the shit out of me".

Overall, I think that date rape as a problem can only be eliminated by a larger social change- I don't really think that date rape is as horrific as violent rape, but it is a very serious offense- the growth of which is indicitive of a much larger communication problem in our society. We need to teach men how to "just figure out" what's okay and what's not. Basic social skills, people.

Violent rape, however, should be punished by castration. Not that weak-ass surgical kind either.

More the kind that involves swords.
So how do we deal with women who rape. Yes it does happen (not often but it has been known). Hot pokers?
No, I can't agree with you on that point, unless you chop a hand off for theft, the tongue out for slander etc etc.

My only caveat would be to be sure the person accused gets a fair trial, and that includes the right to confront his accuser.

Simply because someone is accused does not make him guilty. Remember due process.

I succesfully defended two rape cases. The police, DA, and judge told me to take a plea, the guys were obviously guilty. They weren't, period. The juries agreed with me. Their only crime was to get someone mad who was mean enough to then fabricate a story.

And what if your clients had snowed you?....How would you look at the victim?...

I only took clients I believed in.
One was exonerated by chemical proof (blood tests at that time).
The other was proven not guilty by the complaining witness' own story.
Juries of men and women acquitted both defendants.
No snow job.

Now in most cases I believe in rehabitiation, but for rapist I recomend a slow and painful death involving some kind of acid.

So how do we deal with women who rape. Yes it does happen (not often but it has been known). Hot pokers?
No, I can't agree with you on that point, unless you chop a hand off for theft, the tongue out for slander etc etc.

Women who rape? Aah...well...seems physically impossible, but, well, actually I bet it does happen. I would say lots of therapy and prison time. I think it's different with men, beacuse of what I consider men's social obligation to protect women*. When a man takes advantage of (or just outright violently assaults) a woman, he's committed the most digusting act it is possible for a man too commit.


*yeah, yeah, I'm sort of a chauvinist, sue me.

Does anyone really think that devising bizarre methods of genital torture (even if it is reserved for rapists) is a healthy thing to be doing with their time?

...isn't this what everybody does at 1:30 AM on a wenesday?

i don't think rape should be considered a crime. it is human nature to want to reproduce.

Does anyone really think that devising bizarre methods of genital torture (even if it is reserved for rapists) is a healthy thing to be doing with their time?

Actually..it's quite therapeutic....a catharsis...I remember sitting around with a bunch of fellow vets discussing the best way we interrogated VietCong...got quite...messy to say the least..but it was relieving.

i don't think rape should be considered a crime. it is human nature to want to reproduce.


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i don't think rape should be considered a crime. it is human nature to want to reproduce.


...dumbass

LMAO! i was wondering how long it would take for someone to reply to a comment like that!

i don't think rape should be considered a crime. it is human nature to want to reproduce.


...dumbass

LMAO! i was wondering how long it would take for someone to reply to a comment like that!

And the fact that you thought it funny to even make the statement says what?

i don't think rape should be considered a crime. it is human nature to want to reproduce.


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LMAO! i was wondering how long it would take for someone to reply to a comment like that!

And the fact that you thought it funny to even make the statement says what?

that Only Americans sucks at trolling?

Rape is not a crime

Rape is not a crime
Numpty troll and a tosser at that.
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Rape is not a crime
Numpty troll and a tosser at that.
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RAPE IS NOT A CRIME!!!

Rapists should be hailed as gods!

Rape is not a crime
Numpty troll and a tosser at that.
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RAPE IS NOT A CRIME!!!

Rapists should be hailed as gods!Muppet!