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Brazil is the country of tomorrow, and always will be. ~ Michael.

Aulstralia

AulstraliaAustralia doesn't have enough people to be a superpower. ~ Michael.

MONACO!!!


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depends on your definition of superpower, do you mean economy, military, science, bitchiness etc...

We've had this discussion a hundred times, and I think China keeps on winning. It's obvious to look at them that they're on track to become a superpower.

Pakistan, India, and China.

AulstraliaAustralia doesn't have enough people to be a superpower. ~ Michael.

There are papers from the late 80s about estimates of the effects of a nuclear war...they usually end with Australia rapidly developing into a superpower afterwards due to being for the only remaining first-world country that is for the most part intact at the end of it.

That's probably what he meant.

I read some and was like, "Hey! We get off light!" lol

Brazil kicks everyone's ass at football.

Probably India and China.

Possibly the Russian Federation, or even more likely is what would result from the CIS joining the EU.

AulstraliaAustralia doesn't have enough people to be a superpower. ~ Michael.

There are papers from the late 80s about estimates of the effects of a nuclear war...they usually end with Australia rapidly developing into a superpower afterwards due to being for the only remaining first-world country that is for the most part intact at the end of it.

That's probably what he meant.

I read some and was like, "Hey! We get off light!" lol

shoots double post...

A: No, I don't think either China or India will reach superpower status before Aulstralia does. Remember, being a 'superpower' is not related to population number, it is related to population strengths. Although both India and China are populus...they have the small problem of killing off female babies (can we say oops population decline) and fairly corrupt governments...

If the U.S. were somehow to 'collapse' Aulstralia has both the ecconomic resources and the 'type' of population to fill in the gap. India with all of it's people can't afford to actually use the aircraft carrier it just bought...and China has a large Army, but a relatively weak and under funded navy...

And Brazil? How about you guys avoiding falling into a racial war before we talk about your superpower status...

Yeah, I forgot about India. But if there were a large-scale nuclear war, much of America's Midwest might survive. Most of the warheads might fall on East, West, and Gulf Coast cities, and some cities along the border of Canada. ~ Michael.

First, who are we going to have a nuke war with? Russia? Why? Even if they become a dictatorship again were unlikly to restart the cold war.

Oh, Russia...please...their ecconomy and population shrunk massively after the fall of communism...most of their navy and army is now quietly rusting away...I give 20 years or an intire generation to make back those losses...

none of those countries will become super powers

AulstraliaAustralia doesn't have enough people to be a superpower. ~ Michael.

No, Australia has too much beer to be a superpower.

China

I think the EU will be the next 'rival' power to the US, I mean that they will be the first to achieve parity in both economic and military terms. When I say 'rival', I don't mean enemy, I mean the next to get close. I think it would be good to see some balance in world affairs again, might make US admistrations think twice before doing things.

China is the real up and comer, it will take them awhile though, at least 50 years in my opinion. They are developing at an astounding rate, trust me, the entire country looks like a huge construction site and they are hell bent on modernisation. They also have natural resources and a large population, which is important when dealing in economic and military terms (that is, there is allot of people to buy/produce things and plenty of people to serve in the military). Good government policy is needed to maximise this aspect, and China has that, their current government isn't stupid. Also they have, unlike India, the ability to enact possibly unpopular (as long as they aren't too unpopular) policies. Also, their average living standard isn't too bad so people have enough to spend on consumer goods, hence an abilty to improve their economy.

They still have a long way to go, management practices need to be improved to maximise the countries potential and the living standard dose need to raised to improve economic strength plus other things like that. Still, look how far they have come in 100 years? I think China will be the nation that surpasses the US in 50 to 100 years if things continue to go the way they are, but history has a habit of screwing things around . . .

Being Australian, I don't think Australia has much potential to become a superpower, short of the nuclear war scenario. I'll take it as a compliment though! We'd all rather sit around drink beer at the beach on a sunny afternoon then run the world, to much bloody hassle, look where it has gotten the US and Britian before it! ! ! !

Love Poerty - In the advent of nuclear war the US would be burnt to a crisp, that's where Russia has all their ICBM's aimed like you have most of yours aimed there (I think China too weighs into this equation, not too sure though)

wouldn't it be cool to see cold war 2:

the united states of america
vs
the united states of europe
?

totally india.

for whoever said population doesnt matter, think about this: if every indian made a dollar, the gdp would go up one biillion dollars..... one billion dollars! now couple the massive amount of people with the fact that there is a huge amount of skilled labor, and labor in the information technology sector, and the fact that they dont need to democratize, and youll see why india will be THE power in another fifty years.

can they feed themselves? no, but neither can japan. and as soon as their huge peasant population gets purchasing power., well, itll be just like america in the 40's when ford introduced his 8 hour, 5 dollar a week work week. it meant america didnt have a depression for fourty years. just imagine what will happen to india when that revolution comes. they are prime for an economic miracle, they have been doing alot right. wow, if i was smart, i would learn hindi and become an expert on india for some major international coorperation. stop looking towards china, india is the place that has the democracy, the culture, the foundatiuons of economy to become a powerhouse. the tinder is set, and the spark will come in the next fifty years, i guarentee it.

totally india.

for whoever said population doesnt matter, think about this: if every indian made a dollar, the gdp would go up one biillion dollars..... one billion dollars! now couple the massive amount of people with the fact that there is a huge amount of skilled labor, and labor in the information technology sector, and the fact that they dont need to democratize, and youll see why india will be THE power in another fifty years.

can they feed themselves? no, but neither can japan. and as soon as their huge peasant population gets purchasing power., well, itll be just like america in the 40's when ford introduced his 8 hour, 5 dollar a week work week. it meant america didnt have a depression for fourty years. just imagine what will happen to india when that revolution comes. they are prime for an economic miracle, they have been doing alot right. wow, if i was smart, i would learn hindi and become an expert on india for some major international coorperation. stop looking towards china, india is the place that has the democracy, the culture, the foundatiuons of economy to become a powerhouse. the tinder is set, and the spark will come in the next fifty years, i guarentee it.

Unfortunatly, we happen to be importing their best and brightest to the U.S.

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totally india.

for whoever said population doesnt matter, think about this: if every indian made a dollar, the gdp would go up one biillion dollars..... one billion dollars! now couple the massive amount of people with the fact that there is a huge amount of skilled labor, and labor in the information technology sector, and the fact that they dont need to democratize, and youll see why india will be THE power in another fifty years.

can they feed themselves? no, but neither can japan. and as soon as their huge peasant population gets purchasing power., well, itll be just like america in the 40's when ford introduced his 8 hour, 5 dollar a week work week. it meant america didnt have a depression for fourty years. just imagine what will happen to india when that revolution comes. they are prime for an economic miracle, they have been doing alot right. wow, if i was smart, i would learn hindi and become an expert on india for some major international coorperation. stop looking towards china, india is the place that has the democracy, the culture, the foundatiuons of economy to become a powerhouse. the tinder is set, and the spark will come in the next fifty years, i guarentee it.

Unfortunatly, we happen to be importing their best and brightest to the U.S.

yeah, but the us is also exporting all its tech support jobs to india. its white collar, most skilled, highest paid people are losing their jobs to this country. and this is just the tip of the iceburg. wait 20 years.

You have to conquer us first. 8) :lol:

You Know us.

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totally india.

for whoever said population doesnt matter, think about this: if every indian made a dollar, the gdp would go up one biillion dollars..... one billion dollars! now couple the massive amount of people with the fact that there is a huge amount of skilled labor, and labor in the information technology sector, and the fact that they dont need to democratize, and youll see why india will be THE power in another fifty years.

can they feed themselves? no, but neither can japan. and as soon as their huge peasant population gets purchasing power., well, itll be just like america in the 40's when ford introduced his 8 hour, 5 dollar a week work week. it meant america didnt have a depression for fourty years. just imagine what will happen to india when that revolution comes. they are prime for an economic miracle, they have been doing alot right. wow, if i was smart, i would learn hindi and become an expert on india for some major international coorperation. stop looking towards china, india is the place that has the democracy, the culture, the foundatiuons of economy to become a powerhouse. the tinder is set, and the spark will come in the next fifty years, i guarentee it.

Unfortunatly, we happen to be importing their best and brightest to the U.S.

yeah, but the us is also exporting all its tech support jobs to india. its white collar, most skilled, highest paid people are losing their jobs to this country. and this is just the tip of the iceburg. wait 20 years.

Hmm, you should read a bit more. Some of those jobs have come back because of performace and cost issues...And the highest paid, non-management white collar workers are research scienists and engineers. Those jobs are not being exported at the moment. And I doubt they will be for at least fifteen years.

Uhh..Guys...

America is the only superpower right now....

If you were the top dog in the yard......would YOU share power?

The European Union is the most powerful body of countries in the world, against the like of Great Britain the rest of the world has no chance.
EU for next Superpower.
To be honest, America might be one of the richest countries in the world but without Great Britain and the backing of the EU it would crumble.

Lichtenstein!!! Either them or Luexembourg!!!

Andorra, Lesotho, Leichtenstein, San Marino, Mauritius, Cape Verde, and Fiji. In that order.

The next superpower will undoublty be New Zealand. They are so conveniently located in the far corner of the world that whatever their evil plans, we will never see it coming until its too late.

The next superpower will undoublty be New Zealand. They are so conveniently located in the far corner of the world that whatever their evil plans, we will never see it coming until its too late.

Oh yeah. I forgot about them. They come in between Lesotho and Leichtenstein. Silly me.

I would go for Luxemburg that forms a axis of evil with Andora and San Marino. BTW, tell it at Georgie boy, they've got WMD's, they are hidden in their banks :lol:

The next superpower will undoublty be New Zealand. They are so conveniently located in the far corner of the world that whatever their evil plans, we will never see it coming until its too late.

The anschluss is coming...

Anyway, Australia might not be the next immediate superpower, but within 50 years it most certainly will be.

Think of all its resources, potential to thrive at new industries as a result and the ability to take in a multitude of new migrants (which helped the US become powerful). If only the right government were to come along... :roll:

Andorra, Lesotho, Leichtenstein, San Marino, Mauritius, Cape Verde, and Fiji. In that order.

The only country to fight two world wars at the same time.

That sort of experience toughens you up so you can take over the world

Depending on when the US declines, either China or India.

Me, of course. Just read my nation's name!

At least China got the most votes. :P

Fear the might of Andorra!

Fear the might of Andorra!

*shudder* But I think the Vatican is scarier.

Israel

China is realistically closest to becoming the next great super power, the US knows this and is always pshing for good corporate relations now that it is a llowing foreign competition into its borders.
it as been set to do so since leaving the communist block, it was just a matter of time before it turnt its abundance of human resources and natural resources into meaningful economic reform.
and maybe if they resorted back to communism in the future they could make it work.

I would have to say China is most likely, but the European Union, if it ever actually united as a country, would have a good shot too.

Each has pros and cons, except two. I can never see Brazil or the EU becoming superpowers.
China is the most obvious. Some are easy to dismiss its growth, but I wouldn't pass it off so easily. They buy enough to drive world commodity prices up for everything, and I think that if they are able to do that, then they are really a power not to be messed with. Their military is also going strong. Their navy, their biggest hope of projecting power beyond their borders, is crap. But they may have reason to keep it crap. Their space program is up and coming, and quite ambitious. I doubt they can put a lunar probe on the moon by 2008, but I do think that their space program may be able to, in the next few decades, threaten the growing US military's space program. It's why we need a missile sheild--if we want to stay ahead of the Chinese. We aren't funding it enough if you ask me. But anyhow, I don't doubt that by 2020, China will put space-based weapons in orbit, just like the US will be able to by then.
However, it won't be easy for China. Economic and environmental meltdown are a persistent threat. They have diverted water from the Huang He to Beijing and the north so much, that they've dried up tributaries, and the Huang He has ran dry at the mouth several times. They are still thirsty, and have a plan to divert water from the Yangtze. That's being overtaxed by the Three Gorges Dam, but it might solve the silt problem. The silt threatens to block the Yangtze river to the point were deep-draft ships can't get through, and the Chinese were hoping they'd get to Chonqing, which would be their new inland port. Anyhow, the dam is on a faultline, and heavy dams have been known to cause small earthquakes. This is the heaviest by far, and it may even crack.
Then their's the economic factor. China's state-owned banks are technically insolvent already, yet they lend money to whomever asks. They may never see it again, and since so much of the economy is state-controlled, it may cause the entire economy to collapse. I'm sure it'll come back eventually, but it'll send the entire world into a mini-depresion.

So, they have a lot riding on them. I guess I'll go onto the others. India has become like China economically, yet they're locked in a mini Cold War with Pakistan. Russia may always make a comeback, as they're smart enough, and growing richer. But right now, some of their civil infrastructure, like their military and space programs, are a mess. And the Middle East always has potential if they follow Dubai's lead. Dubai is probably the most powerful economy in the Middle East NOT based on oil.

Yeah, isn't the UAE's economy mostly based on technology and tourism right now? I saw a documentary on Dubai and I so frecking want to go there.
http://www.alhesenboys.com/pic/dubai.jpg
How do you beat buildings like that?

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Yeah, isn't the UAE's economy mostly based on technology and tourism right now? I saw a documentary on Dubai and I so frecking want to go there.
http://www.alhesenboys.com/pic/dubai.jpg
How do you beat buildings like that?

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Dubai runs like a corporation. The harbor area is tax-free, and many multinational firms have set up shop there. The current plan is to build two huge islands shaped like palm trees, one of the is completed. The 'branches' vary in lenght by only 2 in.
The will have office and shopping complexes, but one of the islands will boast a 2,000 ft tower, the tallest in the world. When the UAE runs out of oil by 2020, Dubai will probably be the best off, even though Abu Dhabi is currently more powerful.

If Europe ever becomes truely federated, then it will undoubtably become to next superpower. It already, as a collective state, harbours more resources, technology and economic potential.

The only problem with this course of action is that it would result in the merging of some of the worlds oldest cultures into one... something that many would dislike.