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Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

AIDS Scare Shuts Down Porn Films (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/16/health/main612200.shtml)
"(CBS/AP) Many major pornographic movie producers, including the industry's largest, have agreed to shut down sets for 60 days because two stars tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS."

"...receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due" (Romans 1:27, New King James Version). ~ Michael.

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?

Mwwaahaha, I don't think people deserve to get AIDs it is a foul disease that I hope one day is wiped out, at least some good came of this though.

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?Does anyone deserve to go to hell? Eternal damnation is a worse judgment than AIDS. ~ Michael.

I swear, the next person that quotes scripture out of context to prove a point...

Ticks me off. Stop, please.

[quote="Love Poetry"]Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

AIDS Scare Shuts Down Porn Films (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/16/health/main612200.shtml)
"(CBS/AP) Many major pornographic movie producers, including the industry's largest, have agreed to shut down sets for 60 days because two stars tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS."

"...receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due" (Romans 1:27, New King James Version). ~ Michael.[/quote

And what of hemophiliacs....granted a small minority of AIDS patients..but they deserve AIDS?...actually...I don't believe anyone deserves to die the death that AIDS will bring..and I will give anyone who suggests so the finger and hope that a cure will come along, then I'll give them two fingers.

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?Does anyone deserve to go to hell? Eternal damnation is a worse judgment than AIDS. ~ Michael.

Hell and Heaven are not a place, they're a state of mind. We make our own heaven and our own hell. We live each of our own doing each day. To actually think of it as a literal place is a life long belief in the toothfairy!

I thought so.

Here is the full text of that verse:

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(Romans 1:27 NIV)

Please, if you are going to quote scripture, quote the whole verse, don't take it out of context.

And no-one deserves AIDS. Period. They get it, yes, but no-one deserves it.

I swear, the next person that quotes scripture out of context to prove a point...Okay, then...here's the context:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.' For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them" (Romans 1:16-32, New King James Version, emphasis added). ~ Michael.

Ahh Love Poetry!

Nice of you to teach people that Christianity is about judgment and hate.

I guess you missed the lessons about love, compassion, and tollerance.

Having known people who have died from aids(both gay and straight), I can safely say that I am glad I will never meet you.

Too bad the boards don't have an ignore button.

Hell and Heaven are not a place, they're a state of mind. We make our own heaven and our own hell. We live each of our own doing each day. To actually think of it as a literal place is a life long belief in the toothfairy!

Please don't get into that here, that is for another place and another time. Besides, I'd rather believe in a perfect, holy, incredible place where I have eternal life instead of simply living out my days, the idea of a completely pointless exsistence weighing me down.

And I need to talk to you again Steph. Been thinking about you a lot recently.

I swear, the next person that quotes scripture out of context to prove a point...Okay, then...here's the context:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.' For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them" (Romans 1:16-32, New King James Version, emphasis added). ~ Michael.

Blah, Blah, Blah, do you have any thing to say that is real and factual? No? I didn't think so.

Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.


Dream job for some! Get paid to look at dirty movies.
Doesn't the US lead the world in porn movie sales?

Blah, Blah, Blah, do you have any thing to say that is real and factual? No? I didn't think so.I posted the two news articles as a compare-and-contrast. The news about the Bush adminstration's attempt to rein in pornography was mocked by right and left as "trying to legislate morality," unconstitutional, unenforceable, and all other kinds of barbs. But then, as if prophetically, large parts of the industry shut down because of the laws of nature instituted by the Creator. The AIDS news followed on the heels, by the way, of news that condoms need stronger warnings because they do not provide the protection against AIDS that people have been told they do. How many other facts do you want? ~ Michael.

AIDS Scare Shuts Down Porn Films


When I first heard this story (on network news), I thought they meant pornographic video rentals were spreading AIDS.

Hell and Heaven are not a place, they're a state of mind. We make our own heaven and our own hell. We live each of our own doing each day.
Steph, go and watch The Outer Limits, Season 3, Episode "Tempests". Seriously. It is a beautiful illustration of exactly what you have just said. It also partly served as the inspiration for my UN Resolution. :D

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-172/epid-21474/

I posted the two news articles as a compare-and-contrast. The news about the Bush adminstration's attempt to rein in pornography was mocked by right and left as "trying to legislate morality," unconstitutional, unenforceable, and all other kinds of barbs. But then, as if prophetically, large parts of the industry shut down because of the laws of nature instituted by the Creator. The AIDS news followed on the heels, by the way, of news that condoms need stronger warnings because they do not provide the protection against AIDS that people have been told they do. How many other facts do you want? ~ Michael.

Laws of nature? Not sure what you are talking about here. Also, can you tell me where you heard the news about the AIDS condom warnings?

Blah, Blah, Blah, do you have any thing to say that is real and factual? No? I didn't think so.I posted the two news articles as a compare-and-contrast. The news about the Bush adminstration's attempt to rein in pornography was mocked by right and left as "trying to legislate morality," unconstitutional, unenforceable, and all other kinds of barbs. But then, as if prophetically, large parts of the industry shut down because of the laws of nature instituted by the Creator. The AIDS news followed on the heels, by the way, of news that condoms need stronger warnings because they do not provide the protection against AIDS that people have been told they do. How many other facts do you want? ~ Michael.

First, I will start by saying pornography is a matter of definition. One man's art is ponography to another.

Pornogragphy has been a part of man since we could write and draw things. Previous cultures have created art about the ideal body and well women in general.

You can't prove AIDS is the result of God snapping his fingers. So stop being selfrightous in thinking you speak for God.

And you a rather ignorant to suggest condoms are useless against AIDS. The CDC who has nothing to gain from sex industry or the condom companies still suggest that the best defense(besides not having sex) is using a condom.

Now who should we listen to? The Center for Diesease Control or Christian lies?

:roll:

Anyone who thinks human sexuality is depraved is himself depraved.

Laws of nature? Not sure what you are talking about here. Also, can you tell me where you heard the news about the AIDS condom warnings?If you come into contact with a person infected by a contagious disease, such as having sex with someone infected with an STD, then you risk becoming infected yourself. That is a law of nature. As for news, my bad...it was human papillomavirus, not AIDS, that was getting the heat. Here is an Associated Press article about it:

Condom warnings become political issue (http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2058089,00.html) ~ Michael.

Anyone who thinks human sexuality is depraved is himself depraved.

It's not an issue of human sexuality, it's an issue of using your sexuality for general entertainment. I don't have any well-defined problems with it, but I can see how some would find it objectionable.

Ahh Love Poetry! Nice of you to teach people that Christianity is about judgment and hate. I guess you missed the lessons about love, compassion, and tollerance.Maybe you missed the first part of the Scripture I quoted: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith'" (Romans 1:16-17). Anyone can become a Christian by repenting of his or her sins and believing in Jesus Christ. I accept you, regardless of your past, as a person who can be forgiven. God forgives me of my sins! What's so special about me? God loves me because He created me, not because I am better than you. But sin cannot be tolerated. He does not tolerate my sins, even though I am His, which is why I need to repent all the time of sins I have committed. ~ Michael.

Love poetry,

Although i do believe in God, probally under the same beliefs you do, (Roman Catholic, i also attended Catholic school all my life ecept JR. and Sr. year), i do not believe God would "give" some one AIDS.

Incase you haven't noticed, there are no new stories in the Bible depicting times in which God gives people horrible diseases after the time of Jesus.

And to add on, It is highly unlikley that God would ever send his wrath upon people, his own CHILDREN, if he is an all loving, all forgiving God.

These "stories" in the Bible in which "God" does give out diseases are ways in which the author tries to scare people into believing, and into acting in the Jewish(old testement) and Christian way of life, which if forgiveness,love,etc.

It was all progaganda to have people behave and live in a moral way.

Anyone who thinks human sexuality is depraved is himself depraved.Sex between a man and a woman in the bonds of marriage is not depraved. ~ Michael.

Incase you haven't noticed, there are no new stories in the Bible depicting times in which God gives people horrible diseases after the time of Jesus.Here are two examples from the book of Acts:

"But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things" (Acts 5:1-11 KJV).

"And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost" (Acts 12:21-23).

Here is an example from the church at Corinth:

"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged" (1 Corinthians 11:23-31, emphasis added). ~ Michael.

I am a christian, but i dont think that God GAVE them AIDS. It says that "he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done" I think since the people werent following God, he just let them do whatever they wanted to do, but because of that they got AIDS. It wasnt God that caused them to get aids, it was thier own depravity that caused them to get aids. Think about it logically, isnt someone who has sex with many different people more likely to get aids then a person who has sex with just one person, in marriage, just like God said to do? The person who has sex with only one person still can get aids, but as long as they only have sex with one person, the disease will stop spreading.

Incase you haven't noticed, there are no new stories in the Bible depicting times in which God gives people horrible diseases after the time of Jesus.Here are two examples from the book of Acts:

"But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things" (Acts 5:1-11 KJV).

"And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost" (Acts 12:21-23).

Here is an example from the church at Corinth:

"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged" (1 Corinthians 11:23-31, emphasis added). ~ Michael.

OK,,first story..

If this EVER happened, it proves that the church in it's early days was greedy and told stories like this order to get people to contribute money.

Remember,,,all the gospels were written years after Jesus's death, so all these stories went from generation to generation before being written down, and the first gospel wasn'r written until 80 years after jesus's death, bu not a Jew or Apostle, but by a gentile Greek.

The letters to the Corinthians, and all the rest of the letters were written to teach about the Lord. These stories were intended to teach using examples, often made up, and were a way of getting new members around the world.

"For this cause many are weak and sickly among you,and many sleep."

he is talking about judas, and the romans who will kill him.

i do not wish to continue arguing about this, and this is thread jacking.

I believe what i believe, and i am not trying to corrupt your beliefs.

I am just more inquisitive about my faith, and what it was really like. I still hold my beliefs though, but what the bible says in most parrt is to gain believers and make believers stronger.

If every story in the Bible were true, and all that stuff really did happen, the population on Earth would be around 1 million by this time.

Because no one is a direct follower of this stuff except for a few who strictly believe in it, and will take it literaly to the death...

i am done now..i will not respond unless provoked..

I find you sick. There is no place on this board for people who go around saying others deserve to get a deadly disease. I can understand why someone would be against porn, but instead of coming here and saying God is smiting people, why don't you go do something about it? Go protest, write a letter to your state's senator or something. Don't cop out by coming on here and saying distgusting things about how people deserve AIDS.

I also find it distgusting that you consider yourself a true Christian. Just because you can quote a bible does not mean you accept the teachings of Jesus. You seem quite content with persecuting people.

I find you sick. There is no place on this board for people who go around saying others deserve to get a deadly disease. I can understand why someone would be against porn, but instead of coming here and saying God is smiting people, why don't you go do something about it? Go protest, write a letter to your state's senator or something. Don't cop out by coming on here and saying distgusting things about how people deserve AIDS.

I also find it distgusting that you consider yourself a true Christian. Just because you can quote a bible does not mean you accept the teachings of Jesus. You seem quite content with persecting people.

Bravo....

Ahh Love Poetry! Nice of you to teach people that Christianity is about judgment and hate. I guess you missed the lessons about love, compassion, and tollerance.Maybe you missed the first part of the Scripture I quoted: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith'" (Romans 1:16-17). Anyone can become a Christian by repenting of his or her sins and believing in Jesus Christ. I accept you, regardless of your past, as a person who can be forgiven. God forgives me of my sins! What's so special about me? God loves me because He created me, not because I am better than you. But sin cannot be tolerated. He does not tolerate my sins, even though I am His, which is why I need to repent all the time of sins I have committed. ~ Michael.

You forgot one big rule.

Judge not.....

I know your type. You automattically asume you are guranteed a spot in heaven. As such you are blind to your own flaws.

Bracia has covered what I was going to say so I leave you with this.

It is not your job to judge and or codem people. That is Gods job and he can handle it just fine.

Look to your own life. When you speak out against others; you only give an image of judgement and hate which turns away potential followers.

And with that. I leave this thread.

I find you sick. There is no place on this board for people who go around saying others deserve to get a deadly disease. I can understand why someone would be against porn, but instead of coming here and saying God is smiting people, why don't you go do something about it? Go protest, write a letter to your state's senator or something. Don't cop out by coming on here and saying distgusting things about how people deserve AIDS.

I also find it distgusting that you consider yourself a true Christian. Just because you can quote a bible does not mean you accept the teachings of Jesus. You seem quite content with persecting people.Who deserves death? "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23). We all die because man sinned in the Garden of Eden. Do I sound more repulsive to you think I am saying people deserve AIDS? Every one of those porn stars will die one day, whether from AIDS or from old age. We all deserve death because of our sins. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" ( Hebrews 9:27-28 ).

As for persecuting people, I consider it a fool's errand for the government to try to stop porn in America, much less across the world. But when this news came out, I considered it like a sign from God, that those who sin will bear the punishment of their sins. ~ Michael.

gee..I always thought biology had a hand in us dying.

Ahh Love Poetry! Nice of you to teach people that Christianity is about judgment and hate. I guess you missed the lessons about love, compassion, and tollerance.Maybe you missed the first part of the Scripture I quoted: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith'" (Romans 1:16-17). Anyone can become a Christian by repenting of his or her sins and believing in Jesus Christ. I accept you, regardless of your past, as a person who can be forgiven. God forgives me of my sins! What's so special about me? God loves me because He created me, not because I am better than you. But sin cannot be tolerated. He does not tolerate my sins, even though I am His, which is why I need to repent all the time of sins I have committed. ~ Michael.You forgot one big rule. Judge not.....If I say that sex between two people who are unmarried - put aside the debate on gay marriage for a moment - if I say that is sin, then I am judging?It is not your job to judge and or codem people. That is Gods job and he can handle it just fine.So then if I interpret current events, such as this porn industry shutdown over AIDS, as indicative of God's judgment, then how am I judging? He is the one who judges. I see it happening. ~ Michael.

Anyone who thinks human sexuality is depraved is himself depraved.Sex between a man and a woman in the bonds of marriage is not depraved. ~ Michael.

Nor is any other consensual sexual act.

Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

This is ridiculous. As a conservative, I am upset that the government continually infringes on its own laws, such as the First Amendment.

Ashcroft is a criminal, as is most of Congress.

Love Poetry: What is 'Depraved'?

The American Heritage Dictionary Says: Morally corrupt or perverted.

Okay, so let's look up perverted: "Deviating from what is considered right and correct", right and correct being the bearing of children.

Many human sexual activities, including celibacy and monogamy, are therefore, using a strict definition, "depraved sexual activities".

As to your two articles, Michael, here's my take.

Doesn't the FBI have more important things to worry about than whether or not people are looking at porn? Like, say, discovering whether al-Qaeda still has sleeper cells in the US? I know Ashcroft has a hard on for getting rid of porn, but let's have some priorities people. Porn doesn't kill people--terrorists do.

As to the second article, all these two cases of HIV has done is delayed production, as the article points out. The two actors who tested positive and those they performed with and the people they performed with are under a quarantine until the next set of tests come back and then production will resume, this time with a slightly busier schedule to make up for lost time.

And like the others on this thread have noted, if you think God is visiting judgment on these people, not only are you a sick p.o.s., but I'd want as little to do with your God as possible. Any God who would take that kind of vengeance is not worthy of my devotion, much less my honor.

Ok, I more or less scan read this thread and although I realise its mainly based on religon I feel the need to make a few scientifically proven comments:

1. AIDS/HIV was not caused by people having gay sex (or straight for that matter), its actually a retrovirus which is present in primates and the disease was actually caught by humans eating bush meat.

2. Contrary to popular belief humans are not the only ones to have gay sex, dolphins, sheep and birds have been observed to have gay sex on many occasions (in fact in a flock of sheep half the rams were seen to prefer mating with other rams than with ewes, whether ewes were present or not). Oh and if you want an example of lesbian sex in the wild look at komodo dragons, they're all female and actually produce clones but exhibit male characteristics and will attempt to mate with each other.

Okay, now here´s my story (I might add this: I´ve created a NEW account in order to posts this - for reasons you might understand I don´t want to be recognized. Once you´ve read what I´ve to say you´ll probably understand).

Those of you who suggested that AIDS is the punishment of god for those who live a life of "sin" I say: Fuck you.

I´ll tell you my story and how I got infected with AIDS.

At the age of 21 I joined my nations military to serve as a medical assistant in the army. Time was good, life was good. I got a fine job, a career, the chance to become something greater, the chance to help people. During the crisis in Yugoslavia and the following peace keeping operations I was send there by my government in order to assist as a EMT (actually I volunteered). During my time there my fellow comrades and me treated several thousand Yugoslav civilians and personell associated with the peacekeeping operations. One day a heavily wounded man was med-evaced into our field hospital. The guy has stepped on a landmine, tearing of both his legs right beneath his knees. While I tried to remove some of the mine fragement from his torn body I cut myself several times as I slipped in a moment of inattention.

One of the standard procedures after such a incident included a blood scan for AIDS. This took quite some time. In the end, the result was positive. I got infected with the HIV virus.

Of course, this was the end of my time in the army, the end of my dreams to become a EMT after the time in the military, the end of my dreams ever to have a family, children of my own or something like a future. I´m living with the virus for a few years now. My life has become meaningless. I´ll never be able to have any sort of "intimate" relationship again, I´ll never be able to feel the caressing touch of a female again, I´ll never be able to do what I´ve learned: Save the lives of seriously injured people, work as a EMT.

Right now I´m living off from social aid, a minor rent from the army and a generous support from my nations veteran association.

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS? Do you have any ideas, how often I sat at home on a lonley night with my loaded pistol on my desk thinking about "ending it right here and now". Do you have any idea what happened to my life? Do you have any idea what my family, my friends and my former comrades feel? I´m infected with one of the most aggressive kinds of the HIV virus. My health has taken serious setbacks already. It maybe sounds crazy, but I can feel dying every day a bit. It´s inside me. The enemy within. A enemy I cannot defeat. If I´m "lucky" (take note of the sarcasm), I´ll be able to have maybe another 5 years, maybe 6.

Then my health and immune system will be so damage that any kind of disease or infection will kill me.

Slowly.

Painful.

With no chance of a remedy to help me.

A bit.

Every day.

Alone.

Right now there is NOTHING I´ve got to life for. I spent my time hanging out on the streets, walking around, looking around if there is someway I can help. I´ve got nothing to loose now. Should I have the chance to die helping someone else, I´ll do so with a smile in my face, knowing that at least my death had a meaning.

I´m a dead man walking.

I never did anything wrong in my life. I lived a lawful life, had friends who loved and whom I cared for. I did my duty as it has been expected from me. I had plans for the future.

There is no future for me.

So for crying out loud, forget about the shit about the idea AIDS is god´s punishment for porn, homosexuality or a immoral lifestyle.

I was down there to HELP people and I was infected.

As to your two articles, Michael, here's my take.

Doesn't the FBI have more important things to worry about than whether or not people are looking at porn? Like, say, discovering whether al-Qaeda still has sleeper cells in the US?How? By violating their rights? But they have discovered and arrested sleeper cell agents, such as those in New York.

As to the second article, all these two cases of HIV has done is delayed production, as the article points out. The two actors who tested positive and those they performed with and the people they performed with are under a quarantine until the next set of tests come back and then production will resume, this time with a slightly busier schedule to make up for lost time.The first question that popped into my head was why this news was getting so much coverage. It's not like the porn industry is in your face on broadcast or cable news. You have to go looking for it online, at the video store, or on pay channels. And furthermore, DUH! Of course, people who make illicit sex their livelihood are likelier to get AIDS. I mean, hello? Duh? But then...this is in California, the Left Coast, where no doubt members of the media are just as sold over to illicit sex, where multiple partners is the norm, and fidelity in marriage is a joke. This AIDS scare reminded them, and customers of porn, of their mortality. We all must die, of course, but for these, this is the horrible death that will be awaiting them in higher percentages than those who lead moral lives. And the media and porn viewers know that.
And like the others on this thread have noted, if you think God is visiting judgment on these people, not only are you a sick p.o.s., but I'd want as little to do with your God as possible. Any God who would take that kind of vengeance is not worthy of my devotion, much less my honor.But we all must die, regardless of circumstances, because of sin. AIDS and other STDs offend because these do not allow us to lead completely immoral, amoral lives free of fear from consequences of disease. But even if a cure and vaccine are discovered for AIDS, you will meet your Maker after your death. ~ Michael.

I'd like to know how this guy picked up aids in the firstplace. I mean, doesnt he get enough sex at work?

(I sure as hell Wish I could say I did)

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS?It means you will die like the rest of us.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" ( Psalm 82:6-8 ).

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them" (Ecclesiates 9:11-12). ~ Michael.

Dead man walking I just read your message and I honestly feel that you are one of the unsung heros of the military. I know you've probably heard it a thousand times before but there are so many things you can still do with your life, counsulling for example, sometimes people who have been through alot can help others who are in trouble. A friend of mine has been bulimic for about 7 years now and shes decided that she wants to spend her life helping others like her. I know its not much consolation but if you have a purpose you might be able to fight off this disease for longer than the doctor gave you.

I'd like to know how this guy picked up aids in the firstplace. I mean doesnt he get enough sex at work?According to the article I read, he picked it up on the job, but down in Brazil where I guess the standards aren't as strict as they are in the US. And it's interesting, to me anyway, that the porn industry is completely self-regulating when it comes to their health standards. They've put this quarantine on themselves--there's no health department standing over them requiring this action.

Sorry about that, Dead man. I'm sure Love Poetry can find a nice comforting reply to you from his precious book, like god works in mysterious ways or something like that. I'm afraid I can't do much better than saying that I feel sorry for you. *sighs*


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Anyway, I was just thinking. Porn seems to have replaced some of the need to have sex (with other people that is) in the first world today and as such should have helped in not spreading AIDS. As to definition of porn: I'm becoming more and more convinced that the bible could be classified as porn as it clearly makes some people more excited than the swimsuit issue of sports illustrated.

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS?It means you will die like the rest of us.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" ( Psalm 82:6-8 ).

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them" (Ecclesiates 9:11-12). ~ Michael.

Yes, I have a question. Who do you expect to give a fuck that you are quoting bible scriptures?

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS?It means you will die like the rest of us.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" ( Psalm 82:6-8 ).

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them" (Ecclesiates 9:11-12). ~ Michael.

Yes, I have a question. Who do you expect to give a fuck that you are quoting bible scriptures?

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS?It means you will die like the rest of us.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" ( Psalm 82:6-8 ).

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them" (Ecclesiates 9:11-12). ~ Michael.

Yes, I have a question. Who do you expect to give a f--- that you are quoting bible scriptures?

Hah, no kidding. Not exactly a good argument as to why people 'deserve' AIDS. Thats pretty much the same as quoting fairytales to most people.

Maybe you missed the first part of the Scripture I quoted: ..

What is it the bible says about the devil and quoting scripture...hmmm

I know you...Your one of those pathetic little cross groupies dedicated to enforcing your morality on the world, doing God's work for him from your high and mighty self appointed pulpit, decrying everything that scares you, or makes you feel icky in the fear that your faith can't withstand the real scrutiny of the Lord's gaze. Preach to yourself and find the Lord within yourself. We don't want to hear about the vile evil dark Prince that has you so corrupted as to revel in the death and pain of fellow human beings.

You who follow blindly fall faster to roads of evil. Tis far easier to pass judgement (the easy road paved in gold), then to look inside and find God in yourself and be tranquil in your own knowledge. It is people like you, that make others paint all of Christianity with a very wide very black brush.

I swear, the next person that quotes scripture out of context to prove a point...

Ticks me off. Stop, please.

Seriously...

I swear, the next person that quotes scripture out of context to prove a point...

Ticks me off. Stop, please.

Seriously...

sorry...Stupid server!

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

You don't deserve AIDS specifically, but you do deserve the consequences of your actions, good and bad.

One could say that you deserve orgasm. But along with that, you have to take the consequences of not knowing your partner and not wearing protection, and, ultimately, of having sex when you shouldn't have.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

Why are people so bothered about denying themselves, and others, fun? Whats wrong with pornography? People enjoy watching it, looking at it, people enjoy it with friends and partners. its healthy, its natural, its part of life. Why must religion try and enforce guilt upon people who (in my view, perfectly healthily) find watching people screwing enjoyable?

Why must the Church try to deny all fun?

As to your two articles, Michael, here's my take.

Doesn't the FBI have more important things to worry about than whether or not people are looking at porn? Like, say, discovering whether al-Qaeda still has sleeper cells in the US? I know Ashcroft has a hard on for getting rid of porn, but let's have some priorities people. Porn doesn't kill people--terrorists do.

As to the second article, all these two cases of HIV has done is delayed production, as the article points out. The two actors who tested positive and those they performed with and the people they performed with are under a quarantine until the next set of tests come back and then production will resume, this time with a slightly busier schedule to make up for lost time.

And like the others on this thread have noted, if you think God is visiting judgment on these people, not only are you a sick p.o.s., but I'd want as little to do with your God as possible. Any God who would take that kind of vengeance is not worthy of my devotion, much less my honor.

Bravo - just what I was going to say, so I'm glad I read the thread first. This is hardly the death of the porn industry, and to claim so is ridiculously naive. Your self-righteousness is thick enough to choke on, Michael. I take reassurance in both the Christians and conservatives who have spoken out here, though. At least some are living up to the ideals which they profess to follow.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

hahahahaha :lol: :lol:

OMG, i can't believe we are still arguing this.

Boner. hahaha

Any ways, Dead man Walking, I want to thank you for sharing your story, and notice that lovely poetry hasnt responded to you in a real way besides qquoting scriptures.Also thank-you for your service, even if you are not a USA soilder, i believe any volunteer to their country is the best kind of person, and all my graditude is is given to them. (except those scumbag towelheads that call them selves soilders and blow up innocent people and our troops over seas.)

And i wonder about Lovely poetry, i wonder if he is a priest because he knows every damn scripture possible, and types them really quick.

Lets just hope if he is a priest he isnt involved with any little boys...

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

I didn't mean it like that. I meant that pornography is only created BECAUSE people have sexual thoughts (and enjoy them). Sexual desires are a fundamental part of being a human. Pornography is simply yet another creation designed to satiate those feelings.

Basically, its chicken and egg. Which came first, sexual drive or pornography? Sexual thought- therefore sexual thought isn't a creation of pornography, pornography is a creation that comes from sexual thoughts.
As for my opinions on whether its right or wrong- well, I'd say its a fundamental part of human nature, and if it doesn't harm anyone, why not?

As to your two articles, Michael, here's my take.

Doesn't the FBI have more important things to worry about than whether or not people are looking at porn? Like, say, discovering whether al-Qaeda still has sleeper cells in the US? I know Ashcroft has a hard on for getting rid of porn, but let's have some priorities people. Porn doesn't kill people--terrorists do.

As to the second article, all these two cases of HIV has done is delayed production, as the article points out. The two actors who tested positive and those they performed with and the people they performed with are under a quarantine until the next set of tests come back and then production will resume, this time with a slightly busier schedule to make up for lost time.

And like the others on this thread have noted, if you think God is visiting judgment on these people, not only are you a sick p.o.s., but I'd want as little to do with your God as possible. Any God who would take that kind of vengeance is not worthy of my devotion, much less my honor.

Bravo - just what I was going to say, so I'm glad I read the thread first. This is hardly the death of the porn industry, and to claim so is ridiculously naive. Your self-righteousness is thick enough to choke on, Michael. I take reassurance in both the Christians and conservatives who have spoken out here, though. At least some are living up to the ideals which they profess to follow.

First off, I know that many Christians are hypocrits, so yeah...
But, everyone is...At least Christians try to do the right thing, as opposed to the people who say they're bad, then do bad...

And God isn't particularly wrathful, or whatever. He said don't do it, and people continuously do it. He gives us chance after chance after chance after chance, and people still do it. If you're perfect, then fine, criticize everyone else, and ignore God, because if you truely are perfect, then no, you don't need Jesus to get to heaven.
But, you're not. No one is, so guess what, you have to suffer the consequences of your actions. You get to have fun drinking and screwing and getting what you want now, but when it comes time to face up to what you've done, you try to justify it: "It was only ONE girl!" "Hey, that guy gets drunk way more that I do!" You're all acting like the kid who wants that cookie in the cookie jar, no matter how many times his parents say no. And when you get caught with your hand stuck halfway in the jar, and crumbs on your face, are you in any way right? You're disobeying your parents! Since many people seem to think that parents own their children, than shouldn't the God who created you own you? He should, but he doesn't. He could make you do what he wants...He could force you to be good, but he doesn't, and you condemn him for giving you the freedom of choice?
We don't have to follow the law. If we wanted to, we could go around killing and stealing. But we're going to get thrown in jail if we do. God is the same way. He gave us rules, and we continually break them, so we deserve the consequences, just like a theif deserves to go to jail.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

No, it's not stupid, it's supply and demand. If humans didn't have sexual thoughts, there would be no need for pronography. Pornography does cause sexual thoughts, but if you're not already having sexual thoughts, then why oh why are you looking at porn? It's not like it springs out at you from the bushes or crawls out from under your bed.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

I didn't mean it like that. I meant that pornography is only created BECAUSE people have sexual thoughts (and enjoy them). Sexual desires are a fundamental part of being a human. Pornography is simply yet another creation designed to satiate those feelings.

Basically, its chicken and egg. Which came first, sexual drive or pornography? Sexual thought- therefore sexual thought isn't a creation of pornography, pornography is a creation that comes from sexual thoughts.
As for my opinions on whether its right or wrong- well, I'd say its a fundamental part of human nature, and if it doesn't harm anyone, why not?

Ok, sorry then. You do have a point then. But that still doesn't make it right. A similar type of question...

Did nukes kill people? Or did people create nukes to kill people?

Cheep shot, and a lot of exaggeration, but you get what i mean.

The US Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts. Surely sexual thoughts cause pornography, not the other way round?

See now, that's just ignorant, stupid, and pointless. Whether you think it's ok, or not ok, that is just stupid. No, it's not the other way around. You don't get a boner and think, "Hey, I'm going to go take pornographic pictures!" You look at the pictures, and get a boner. You may go out and take pictures, but you do so, so that you may look at them and get a boner.

I didn't mean it like that. I meant that pornography is only created BECAUSE people have sexual thoughts (and enjoy them). Sexual desires are a fundamental part of being a human. Pornography is simply yet another creation designed to satiate those feelings.

Basically, its chicken and egg. Which came first, sexual drive or pornography? Sexual thought- therefore sexual thought isn't a creation of pornography, pornography is a creation that comes from sexual thoughts.
As for my opinions on whether its right or wrong- well, I'd say its a fundamental part of human nature, and if it doesn't harm anyone, why not?

Ok, sorry then. You do have a point then. But that still doesn't make it right. A similar type of question...

Did nukes kill people? Or did people create nukes to kill people?

Cheep shot, and a lot of exaggeration, but you get what i mean.

dang server!

Lets just hope if he is a priest he isnt involved with any little boys...

This really isn't necessary...this thread is teetering badly enough on the brink.

Lets just hope if he is a priest he isnt involved with any little boys...

This really isn't necessary...this thread is teetering badly enough on the brink.

All apologies to all parties offended.

I got wrapped up in the moment..

"It was the heat of the moment, (boom,boom, CLAP) telling me what my heart felt...."

haha, South Park rules,,

But back on track,, sorry people! :cry:

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?Does anyone deserve to go to hell? Eternal damnation is a worse judgment than AIDS. ~ Michael.

Your mythological boogieman shouldn't scare anyone out of doing what they enjoy.

Please people, cover your stump before you hump.

First off, I know that many Christians are hypocrits, so yeah...
But, everyone is...At least Christians try to do the right thing, as opposed to the people who say they're bad, then do bad....

Are you implying that only Christians are doing the right thing, or even try to, and everyone else is just immoral and evil? I'm addressing the hypocritical Christians here, so deal with it. You admit they exist, and quite frankly, you don't sweem to be too much better. But let's address that in your tangent below, shall we?

And God isn't particularly wrathful, or whatever. ...you have to suffer the consequences of your actions... but when it comes time to face up to what you've done, you try to justify it: "It was only ONE girl!"...He gave us rules, and we continually break them, so we deserve the consequences, just like a theif deserves to go to jail.

God isn't wrathful, but you claim that he's smiting people for sinning. That's a contradiction - you can't have it both ways. But wait, you don't know that God had anything to do with this, that's just you rendering judgement, which (as has been said in this thread) Jesus quite specifically said not to do. Furthermore, you're blaspheming, because you're claiming that this was God's action. How dare you accuse the omni-benevolent, loving god of the Christian faith of inflicting people with crippling illnesses?

Oh, that's right, it serves your purposes. As I said, thank you to the real Christians who have posted messages allowing me to keep my faith in the beneficial nature of religion.

Blah, Blah, Blah, do you have any thing to say that is real and factual? No? I didn't think so.I posted the two news articles as a compare-and-contrast. The news about the Bush adminstration's attempt to rein in pornography was mocked by right and left as "trying to legislate morality," unconstitutional, unenforceable, and all other kinds of barbs. But then, as if prophetically, large parts of the industry shut down because of the laws of nature instituted by the Creator. The AIDS news followed on the heels, by the way, of news that condoms need stronger warnings because they do not provide the protection against AIDS that people have been told they do. How many other facts do you want? ~ Michael.

So, by this logic, we can assume that this "Creator" is trying to shut down Africa?

God didn't cause aids, it was man's sinful nature. Everybody deserves to die whether by aids or by gunshot or old age. God loves you more than you could possibly comprehend, God is love it's what he does. I'll be the first to admit that nobody, not even christians, are perfect. Being a christian means that you understand that you are not perfect and ask for forgiveness for your imperfections. You can recieve eternal life through Jesus.

The porn industry is bad. I know excellent people and christians who struggle with porn. The porn industry isn't being shut down.

It may come as a shock but God is, in a way, going to smite the wicked. It's called the Tribulation. Ever read Revelation? He is not doing it yet and I'm not sure if God or the Devil will be the one causing the tribulation but it will happen.

Rhyno D is right God gives us chance after chance and if you blow it you can always get saved but most continue to blow it. If you choose not to come to God that's youre problem but since you chose that path you can't say God is being wrathful for not letting you in. If you choose to rape a child are parents of children being wrathful for not letting you in their house?

So far the only opinion in here that I see as close to being right is Rhyno D. Good job.

Just some thoughts on the posts here. Hope you leave feeling enlightened.
Sorry that I bounced around a buit, lot of info to cover.

we need alot more porn in society in order to combat acts of random violence

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?
It's Love Poetry....perhaps he should receive a taste of his 'hate medicine'. That might change his evil opinions.

God didn't cause aids, it was man's sinful nature. Everybody deserves to die whether by aids or by gunshot or old age because none of us are worthy enough to even see God. He's doing us a favor by letting us pathetic sinners into heaven. Love people with AIDS because no matter what they did you are no better.

God loves you more than you could possibly comprehend. God IS love. God will still love you no matter what you do, sinner or not. So stop condeming other people and try to save them. BTW Preaching is not forcing your beliefs on others, It's an act of love. Christians like myself want to see as many people as possible go to heaven. I believe that there is only one way in and if you don't take it thats not my problem but don't get mad at me about it.

I'll be the first to admit that nobody, not even christians, are perfect. Being a christian means that you understand that you are not perfect and ask for forgiveness for your imperfections. It ALSO means that you want to live as Jesus would have you live. You can recieve eternal life through Jesus. Being a christian isn't just having a bunch of rules, it's wanting to live a Godly life because you want to see God.

The porn industry is bad. You can disagree if you want, but porn is bad. Porn is bad because it gets in the way of living like Jesus and it prioritizes sin instead of God. I know excellent people and christians who struggle with porn. The porn industry isn't being shut down either (as much as I'd like to see it be.)

It may come as a shock but God is, in a way, going to smite the wicked. It's called the Tribulation. Ever read Revelation? He is not doing it yet and I'm not sure if he or the devil will be the one causing the tribulation but it will happen.

Rhyno D is right God gives us chance after chance and if you blow it you can always get saved but most continue to blow it. If you choose not to come to God that's youre problem but since you chose that path you can't say God is being wrathful for not letting you in. If you choose to rape a child are parents of children being wrathful for not letting you in their house?

So far the only opinion in here that I see as close to being right is Rhyno D. Good job.

God didn't cause aids, it was man's sinful nature.

Hmm, no, actually, it was genetic drift, but that's quite besides the point.


Everybody deserves to die whether by aids or by gunshot or old age. God loves you more than you could possibly comprehend, God is love it's what he does.

Then why isn't this what we practice? Why do we even have to think about things like "who deserves to get AIDS" (which is just insulting, offensive and rediculous in the first place...thanks for being predictable, Love Poetry)? Why can't we focus on healing? Is it because God is love so that leaves us open to hate and despise? Be sensible.


I'll be the first to admit that nobody, not even christians, are perfect. Being a christian means that you understand that you are not perfect and ask for forgiveness for your imperfections. You can recieve eternal life through Jesus.

But everyone deserves to die. Your own words. So which is it?


The porn industry is bad.

You're basing this on what?


I know excellent people and christians who struggle with porn. The porn industry isn't being shut down.

Neither's the gun industry and that's an industry that's killed a lot more people. Why aren't you protesting that?


It may come as a shock but God is, in a way, going to smite the wicked.

Wait, isn't this the God of love?


It's called the Tribulation. Ever read Revelation?

Yes, I have. Have you ever actually understood it?


He is not doing it yet and I'm not sure if God or the Devil will be the one causing the tribulation but it will happen.

Well then, do some research. The Great Tribulation is the wrath of God and comes from him.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. -Revelation 5:6-7 (KJV)

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see-Revelation 6:1 (KJV)

Are you sure you've read Revelation?


Rhyno D is right God gives us chance after chance and if you blow it you can always get saved but most continue to blow it.

Er, really, and you know this because you are God, right?


If you choose not to come to God that's youre problem but since you chose that path you can't say God is being wrathful for not letting you in.

Course you can, particularly if God is stacking the deck against you.


If you choose to rape a child are parents of children being wrathful for not letting you in their house?

Er, um, did you just equate eating shell fish with child rape?


Just some thoughts on the posts here. Hope you leave feeling enlightened.
Sorry that I bounced around a buit, lot of info to cover.

Fine, just next time try to back it up with some reasoning.

Add the "War-On-Porn" to the many other stupid, *unwinnable* social wars that Republicans love to support and waste billions of dollars on.

Erotic entertainmentment, graphics and writing have been around far longer than Christianity - and they will *never* go away! To look at these is as human and natural as breathing - anyone without the intelligence to realize that should not be allowed to vote.

The law should only concentrate on child porn, rape-porn, bestiality, scat and similarly harmful things. Anything that depicts only consenting, happy adults should be allowed.

Re AIDS in the porn industry, if it were treated as a form of prosititution (which it is) and legally regulated, society could go a long way towards ensuring that the performers practice safe sex. And we could tax it too.

republican/conservative values are enemies of the human race and discriminatory against non-human people as well

It may come as a shock but God is, in a way, going to smite the wicked. It's called the Tribulation. Ever read Revelation? He is not doing it yet and I'm not sure if God or the Devil will be the one causing the tribulation but it will happen.

Rhyno D is right God gives us chance after chance and if you blow it you can always get saved but most continue to blow it. If you choose not to come to God that's youre problem but since you chose that path you can't say God is being wrathful for not letting you in. If you choose to rape a child are parents of children being wrathful for not letting you in their house?

So far the only opinion in here that I see as close to being right is Rhyno D. Good job.

How?! He's one of the people advancing the view that God is smiting people now, with AIDS. You yourself say this is not the case, and so he is not right. Since Christ died for our sins, God has been pretty much hands off, and will be until Judgement Day, as you also say. Then, yes, there will be smiting. I don't disagree with this a bit - but I do not agree with people who will go around saying that God is now selectively smiting people anyway.

The law should only concentrate on child porn, rape-porn, bestiality, scat and similarly harmful things. Anything that depicts only consenting, happy adults should be allowed.




Though I totally agree with that post, in detail and sentiment, I'm not sure 'scat' comes under the same banner. Its wierd, sure, and doesn't turn me on, but as far as I know, its consensual and adult and not encouraging illegal acts... Same with S&M.

But the rest- right on.

but I do not agree with people who will go around saying that God is now selectively smiting people anyway.


Yeah, too true but I did say that he was close to being right I didn't say I was hanging off his every word. Sorry about the confusion. I don't think God is smiting people now because he wants us to go to heaven not hell.

Are you suggesting that any one "deserves" to catch AIDS? If you are, that's a rather sick and twisted attitude. *Shakes Head* :?Does anyone deserve to go to hell? Eternal damnation is a worse judgment than AIDS. ~ Michael.

This statement has interested me all day. Are you saying people in hell don't deserve to be there?

The law should only concentrate on child porn, rape-porn, bestiality, scat and similarly harmful things. Anything that depicts only consenting, happy adults should be allowed.




Though I totally agree with that post, in detail and sentiment, I'm not sure 'scat' comes under the same banner. Its wierd, sure, and doesn't turn me on, but as far as I know, its consensual and adult and not encouraging illegal acts... Same with S&M.

But the rest- right on.

Nothing could convince me that literally eating someone elses' shit could ever be consensual. Even the most open-minded person would not willingly do that; rather I think it almost certain they'd be so desperately drug-addicted or under threat of harm that they feel they have no choice. The worst aspect would be the risk of deadly e-coli bacteria from that.

Anyone who would enjoy looking at scat-porn would be a tiny, tiny minority of the population. Such a person would not be looking at this for sexual reasons at all, but for seeing someone degraded to the maximum extent. This makes scat-porn clearly a violent product - not a sexual one - so it should be illegal.

[quote="Love Poetry"]Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

If pornography corrupts, then poor Lam Nguyen is going to be the most corrupt person ever. And what damn good is a corrupt censor?? Of course, he may well be "immune" to it, or "hardened" (no pun intended). Isn't there a terrible danger that the entire Justice department will be corrupted?

As for delighting in the misfortune of your fellow human beings, I can only remark that that attitude does not appear very "Christian" to me.

And if a cure for aids is found, the what would you propose - are you a traditionalist in favour of stoning, or perhaps slaughtering the first-born in each household?

As for the AIDS virus itself, did your "Creator" recently "create" that one ?
Or was it created "in the beginning" and just sort of kept in reserve for a while ? You know, until someone really "deserved" it? One can only wonder why your God didn't smite the Nazis at their death camps. Perhaps he was off somewhere else at the time.

And how about the millions of innocent children in Africa who are infected with AIDS?

It is the sanctimonious hypocrits like yourself that persuaded me that agnosticism is better than Christianity.

God created AIDS because he hates gays, blacks, and thais. He does this because he loves us.

It is the sanctimonious hypocrits like yourself that persuaded me that agnosticism is better than Christianity.

As well as the merits of the philosophy, of course?

It is the sanctimonious hypocrits like yourself that persuaded me that agnosticism is better than Christianity.

As well as the merits of the philosophy, of course?
Yeah, I certainly believe that philosophy is considerably more honest, realistic and credible than is any form of theology.

As a Catholic, I just want to comment that I don't think God runs around smiting people, you do what you choose to, and there will be consequences, good or bad. And how do people think they know what God wants all the time? The Holy Spirit is there to help guide people right? So just live your life and try your best to choose what is right, and ask for forgiveness when you feel you have done something wrong....

As a Catholic, I just want to comment that I don't think God runs around smiting people, you do what you choose to, and there will be consequences, good or bad. And how do people think they know what God wants all the time? The Holy Spirit is there to help guide people right? So just live your life and try your best to choose what is right, and ask for forgiveness when you feel you have done something wrong....

You sound far too reasonable and logical to ever remain a good Catholic. I know, I was brought up as one, and attended Catholic schools for all of my school life.

There are some good people there, but there are monsters as well.

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.

Just because it is spread through so called immoral behavior doesn't mean it is 'God come to smite the wicked'.

Maybe it's just another disease?

Next are you going to claim the flu is God telling little kids to wear their coats when they play in the snow?

Administration wages war on pornography (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

Lol...are they hiring?

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.

And what of the millions of children with AIDS?

You are a hard hearted bastard. Where is you so-called Christian charity now?

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.And what of the millions of children with AIDS? You are a hard hearted bastard. Where is you so-called Christian charity now?You mean the children whose parents are promiscuous drug addicts? ~ Michael.

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.And what of the millions of children with AIDS? You are a hard hearted bastard. Where is you so-called Christian charity now?You mean the children whose parents are promiscuous drug addicts? ~ Michael.

Or victims of forced sex, whichever you please. Yes, those children.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

Who cares if it's for money?

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Um, no, they definitely do not 'deserve' AIDS for being promiscuous. If you mean that they are idiots, and are fully responsible for the consequences of their actions, then you are right.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

Who cares if it's for money?

You're right. Forget the money. The money's not the point, exactly. Still, you can't expect responsibility among people who share those kind of values. Maybe there is honor among theives, but six months is a long time.

Why does AIDS spread? It spreads because of sex outside marriage and through dirty needles used to shoot drugs. Yes, some people do get AIDS through blood transfusions or other methods of contamination, but...most of those cases happen when someone, through no fault of his or her own, is infected by the blood or fluids of someone who is having sex outside of wedlock or who shoots up drugs with dirty needles.

The spread of AIDS could be slowed significantly if we quarantined the infected. But no, if we did that, then those most at risk of becoming infected with HIV would need to change their immoral behavior, or risk home detention or imprisonment. ~ Michael.And what of the millions of children with AIDS? You are a hard hearted bastard. Where is you so-called Christian charity now?You mean the children whose parents are promiscuous drug addicts? ~ Michael.

Are you seriously suggesting that any children should be judged on the basis of what their parents may or may not have done?

There are millions of children with AIDS in Africa. Their parents were not drug addicts. The disease there is larely passed on through heterosexual intercourse. But even if their parents were the most promiscuous and drug-addicted people imaginable, does this lessen or justify the suffering of the children involved.

I repeat, you are certainly not acting as a Christian, to my understanding of the word. You are a mean spirited, hard hearted sadistic bastard, or a worthless troll.

Do you Christian fundamentalists have any idea what it means to have AIDS?It means you will die like the rest of us.

What an amazingly unsympathetic, unChristian reply. One would almost think you a troll.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

Who cares if it's for money?

You're right. Forget the money. The money's not the point, exactly. Still, you can't expect responsibility among people who share those kind of values. Maybe there is honor among theives, but six months is a long time.

The problem isn't with the porn, it's with the people being promiscous offset.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

I notice too that the last time the California porn industry had a minor HIV outbreak like this one, was 5 years ago. When you consider the zillions of sex acts they filmed in that time, that's actually a pretty small number of cases overall.

I'm not brushing-off the seriousness of HIV, but it sounds to me as if the California sex performers have a much lower rate of HIV than the general population does. It's useful to keep things in perspective folks.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

Who cares if it's for money?

You're right. Forget the money. The money's not the point, exactly. Still, you can't expect responsibility among people who share those kind of values. Maybe there is honor among theives, but six months is a long time.

The problem isn't with the porn, it's with the people being promiscous offset.

Porn is an enabling and dangerous environment, though. It only takes one irresponsible person to infect the entire group, as we've seen. Porn wasn't the problem for the person who spread the virus, but it is for those who got it through porn, even if promiscuity is found in and outside of porn alike.

How is this a religous debate? If you have sex with thousands of people, indiscriminately, for money.. you deserve what you get, whether you take precaution or not. Forget the bible, this is common sense.

Porn stars are very picky with who the have sex with. You have to get tested every 6 months, sometimes more often, depending on the company. If you don't come up clean then you're handed your walking papers. For that matter they get looked over before every shoot.

Who cares if it's for money?

You're right. Forget the money. The money's not the point, exactly. Still, you can't expect responsibility among people who share those kind of values. Maybe there is honor among theives, but six months is a long time.

The problem isn't with the porn, it's with the people being promiscous offset.

Porn is an enabling and dangerous environment, though. It only takes one irresponsible person to infect the entire group, as we've seen. Porn wasn't the problem for the person who spread the virus, but it is for those who got it through porn, even if promiscuity is found in and outside of porn alike.

The porn industry needs to clean up, make itself safer. Hopefully this incident leads to that, but I doubt it.

They should do tests before every shoot, and still use protection.

It's not even like a condom is that obvious on screen anyways.

The law should only concentrate on child porn, rape-porn, bestiality, scat and similarly harmful things. Anything that depicts only consenting, happy adults should be allowed.




Though I totally agree with that post, in detail and sentiment, I'm not sure 'scat' comes under the same banner. Its wierd, sure, and doesn't turn me on, but as far as I know, its consensual and adult and not encouraging illegal acts... Same with S&M.

But the rest- right on.

Nothing could convince me that literally eating someone elses' shit could ever be consensual. Even the most open-minded person would not willingly do that;

Never underestimate how strange other peoples tastes can be.
And theres nothing in the nature of scat, however bizarre and tasteless, that makes in non-consensual.

rather I think it almost certain they'd be so desperately drug-addicted or under threat of harm that they feel they have no choice. The worst aspect would be the risk of deadly e-coli bacteria from that.

I personally think it's filthy too. But hey, lots of things are dangerous.

Anyone who would enjoy looking at scat-porn would be a tiny, tiny minority of the population. Such a person would not be looking at this for sexual reasons at all, but for seeing someone degraded to the maximum extent.

I don't see how you can say this. I mean, I don't understand foot fetishes, because I don't find feet sexaully attractive. But I don't deny that other people find feet attractive. And thats fine by me. If they want to get turned on by feet, good luck to them.


This makes scat-porn clearly a violent product - not a sexual one - so it should be illegal.
I still think it is a sexual thing. Wierd, in my opinion, but then I don't think my opinion should over-rule those who find other people excreting sexually attractive. I'm gay, and I know a lot of people find that repulsive. But I hope that, just because they don't get turned on by other men, they won't legislate against what I enjoy doing. Namely having sex with a certain Welsh gentleman.

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