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Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that fuck ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

i can't believe that this story of the US #1 enemy wanting to call a "truce" hasn't gotten any replies.

This is kinda a big deal isnt it? The neo-cons should be happy because Enemy #1 is showing weakness, and the Libs should be happy because the Patriot Act, and Patriot Act 2, would not be so strictly enforced. The rest of the world should be happy because they do not need to worry about unprovoked attacks on their country by a madman.

The article specifies European countries. The U.S. is not in Europe anywhere. Also, the article says it has not been varified as bin Laden's voice. I'm not too hopeful about any of it. It won't change anything, I think.

The article specifies European countries. The U.S. is not in Europe anywhere. Also, the article says it has not been varified as bin Laden's voice. I'm not too hopeful about any of it. It won't change anything, I think.
i hope he continues to fuck with us, all it will do is bring more of the US military's wrath onto his ass.

i hope he continues to f--- with us, all it will do is bring more of the US military's wrath onto his ass.

Funny, I thought the US military's wrath was busy in Iraq....

i hope he continues to f--- with us, all it will do is bring more of the US military's wrath onto his ass.

Funny, I thought the US military's wrath was busy in Iraq....
we got plenty to spread around. currently only 35% of our reserves and national guard are on active duty (that includes Iraq, Bosnia, Afganistain, and homeland security), not to mention in the National Guard alone we still have 16 Brigade Combat Teams (the ass kickers) that have not been activated.

Eh! I still think he is dead. But that is me. For one reason is that they used two daisy cutter bombs at the battle of Khandahar. They wanted somebody dead.

It's to both sides advantage to have him alive. The US needs him because he is the boogyman right now. Announcing he is dead would only make people say "We won the war, bring the troups home." Al-Q wants him alive because he is the focal point. You don't see the protestors waving Al-Q signs around, they wave Bin Ladens picture.

Bin Laden liked the camera too much and nothing is better for recruitment then him standing there saying "See with all the technological superiority of the US, they can't kill me!"

I have a feeling that if the Shrub is loosing come time October, we will get an announcement about him.

Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that f--- ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

Actually, he only offered the truce to Europe.

He vowed to keep fighting the US.
Great way to show your ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm

i hope he continues to f--- with us, all it will do is bring more of the US military's wrath onto his ass.

Funny, I thought the US military's wrath was busy in Iraq....
we got plenty to spread around. currently only 35% of our reserves and national guard are on active duty (that includes Iraq, Bosnia, Afganistain, and homeland security), not to mention in the National Guard alone we still have 16 Brigade Combat Teams (the ass kickers) that have not been activated.

The US seems to barely be able to manage Iraq. You really think it can fight a war on two fronts?
Bush will be out by November anyway. No more illegal wars.

Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that f--- ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

Actually, he only offered the truce to Europe.

He vowed to keep fighting the US.
Great way to show your ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm
This is a trick of bin Laden to divide the free world and to try to play on Bush's isolation of Europe and make it the US alone vurses himself.

Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that f--- ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

Actually, he only offered the truce to Europe.

He vowed to keep fighting the US.
Great way to show your ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm
This is a trick of bin Laden to divide the free world and to try to play on Bush's isolation of Europe and make it the US alone vurses himself.

indeed... doesn't excuse ignorance though.

whatevah, whatevah, I do what I want!

Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that f--- ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

Actually, he only offered the truce to Europe.

He vowed to keep fighting the US.
Great way to show your ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm
This is a trick of bin Laden to divide the free world and to try to play on Bush's isolation of Europe and make it the US alone vurses himself.

Note that it only states this if Europe stops attacking Muslim nations.
With Spain pulling out, this seems likely. The UK will be forced to end involvement in 05 after the elections.

The US will be alone.

If the tape is real, it'd be a huge reversal of policy for Al-Queda. They'd essentially be saying that they're willing to co-exist with a less-than 100% Islamic theocracy, by giving Europe a pass.

This raises the question of what Al-Queda actually wants, in the long run. I mean, besides Israel. I say we wipe them out regardless, but it's still interesting.

Note that it only states this if Europe stops attacking Muslim nations.
With Spain pulling out, this seems likely. The UK will be forced to end involvement in 05 after the elections.

The US will be alone.
It's not because they're pulling out that they'll be willing to accept the truce. Note that anti-war (or anti-American politics in general) does not imply pro-bin Laden.

Note that it only states this if Europe stops attacking Muslim nations.
With Spain pulling out, this seems likely. The UK will be forced to end involvement in 05 after the elections.

The US will be alone.
It's not because they're pulling out that they'll be willing to accept the truce. Note that anti-war (or anti-American politics in general) does not imply pro-bin Laden.

No, I doubt very much they will pull out solely because of it, but it will be a factor in public opinion.

Note that it only states this if Europe stops attacking Muslim nations.
With Spain pulling out, this seems likely. The UK will be forced to end involvement in 05 after the elections.

The US will be alone.
It's not because they're pulling out that they'll be willing to accept the truce. Note that anti-war (or anti-American politics in general) does not imply pro-bin Laden.

No, I doubt very much they will pull out solely because of it, but it will be a factor in public opinion.
IMHO, the effect on the public opinion of this will be hardly noticeable. And politicians won't let this affect their views at all. Europe knows better than to make deals with Bin Laden.
Even if Europe does pull out - for their own reasons - they won't ever make peace with al-Qaida.

They won't 'make peace' per se, but they'll certainly leave it alone if it poses no threat.

America will not be left isolated following the 2005 elections in Britain. One unfortunate consequence of Bush getting elected in the US is that for us to have any hope of still being able to be America's best buddies, we have to sit through the evil years of Bush. If Britain was to treat Bush as he deserves, as he treats us you might say, popular opinions of Joe America would turn against us very quickly. You americans would be told it's that we're too cowardly to follow you on your purgation of world terrorism, and the sad thing is most of you would believe it.

Maybe not you, you are after all reading this, by You I mean the American public at large.

My point, consequently, is that Britain will never leave america's side. Even though you treat us like shit. We cannot afford to. One day a slightly less money over well-being administration will get elected, and then we can, well not start over, but I certainly think Anglo-American relations would be a lot better.

America will not be left isolated following the 2005 elections in Britain. One unfortunate consequence of Bush getting elected in the US is that for us to have any hope of still being able to be America's best buddies, we have to sit through the evil years of Bush. If Britain was to treat Bush as he deserves, as he treats us you might say, popular opinions of Joe America would turn against us very quickly. You americans would be told it's that we're too cowardly to follow you on your purgation of world terrorism, and the sad thing is most of you would believe it.

Maybe not you, you are after all reading this, by You I mean the American public at large.

My point, consequently, is that Britain will never leave america's side. Even though you treat us like shit. We cannot afford to. One day a slightly less money over well-being administration will get elected, and then we can, well not start over, but I certainly think Anglo-American relations would be a lot better.

Eh, Bush has little chance of winning the November elections, so we're pretty safe in that aspect.

WHy did they use videotapes before, and this toime only a sll photo? I suspect the guy's either dead or his kidneys are finally killing him.

If I'm not mistaken which I don't believe I am.. his beef was always only with the Americans any way. I say the rest of the world SHOULD take the truce. bin Laden is a product of the Americans messing where they didn't belong to begin with. Let them reap what they sow. They're the most powerful nation on earth, bah, let them fight their own battles.

The article specifies European countries. The U.S. is not in Europe anywhere. Also, the article says it has not been varified as bin Laden's voice. I'm not too hopeful about any of it. It won't change anything, I think.
i hope he continues to f--- with us, all it will do is bring more of the US military's wrath onto his ass.
Ummm the last time he messed with you, he did a lot of damage. Why would you want him to continue to mess with you? It seems like a very irresponsible attitude to take.

You must remember, he already has been messing around. The bomb at Saudi Arabia, the bomb in Madrid, and the attempted bombing in London. So he is still there and capable of massive destruction. That is why I can't understand why the US is using up its' troops in Iraq, with public enemy number 1 still at large creating havoc.

meh

That wasn't bin laden.

Bin Laden is already detained and they are waiting for a politically strategic time to release the news.

And yeah New Auburland, why do you wish for more Americans to die?

None of the countries actually agreed to this truce. Besides, I don't think a Muslim Extremist like him would actually stick to it.

If I'm not mistaken which I don't believe I am.. his beef was always only with the Americans any way. I say the rest of the world SHOULD take the truce. bin Laden is a product of the Americans messing where they didn't belong to begin with. Let them reap what they sow. They're the most powerful nation on earth, bah, let them fight their own battles.

Yep, we should've let the Commies set up their socialist paradise, then we can have another product of the ideology that spawned some of the worst mass muderers statistically in the history of the world.

If I'm not mistaken which I don't believe I am.. his beef was always only with the Americans any way. I say the rest of the world SHOULD take the truce. bin Laden is a product of the Americans messing where they didn't belong to begin with. Let them reap what they sow. They're the most powerful nation on earth, bah, let them fight their own battles.

Yep, we should've let the Commies set up their socialist paradise, then we can have another product of the ideology that spawned some of the worst mass muderers statistically in the history of the world.

If I'm not mistaken which I don't believe I am.. his beef was always only with the Americans any way. I say the rest of the world SHOULD take the truce. bin Laden is a product of the Americans messing where they didn't belong to begin with. Let them reap what they sow. They're the most powerful nation on earth, bah, let them fight their own battles.

Yep, we should've let the Commies set up their socialist paradise, then we can have another product of the ideology that spawned some of the worst mass muderers statistically in the history of the world.



There's nothing actually wrong w/ communism, just the people involved in it...communism is a perfect govt, people just arent perfect and cant stand up to it...

If I'm not mistaken which I don't believe I am.. his beef was always only with the Americans any way. I say the rest of the world SHOULD take the truce. bin Laden is a product of the Americans messing where they didn't belong to begin with. Let them reap what they sow. They're the most powerful nation on earth, bah, let them fight their own battles.

Yep, we should've let the Commies set up their socialist paradise, then we can have another product of the ideology that spawned some of the worst mass muderers statistically in the history of the world.



There's nothing actually wrong w/ communism, just the people involved in it...communism is a perfect govt, people just arent perfect and cant stand up to it...

I believe Bin Laden is a pussy. He does not have the balls to fight us out in the open but has his men kidnape little kids, trains them and has them blow themselves up. He talks about martyrism but I do not see him blowing himself up. He is a pussy and a hypocrite. He also talks about the glories of Islam but when he was in collage he was a heavy gambler, a achlohalic, sexadict bully. He lost his virginity to a prostitute and somehow he thinks he is god. He is a true coward because if he was a real man he would make himself a example of a martyer instead of sitting all pretty in his luxury cave telling people to fight for allah. It has been proven that his caves have been fited with libary's, comfy furniture, etc. If he wants to make a contribution to Islam he should kill himself and put a note on his back saying I am a cowardly little pussy.

I believe Bin Laden is a pussy. He does not have the balls to fight us out in the open but has his men kidnape little kids, trains them and has them blow themselves up. He talks about martyrism but I do not see him blowing himself up. He is a pussy and a hypocrite. He also talks about the glories of Islam but when he was in collage he was a heavy gambler, a achlohalic, sexadict bully. He lost his virginity to a prostitute and somehow he thinks he is god. He is a true coward because if he was a real man he would make himself a example of a martyer instead of sitting all pretty in his luxury cave telling people to fight for allah. It has been proven that his caves have been fited with libary's, comfy furniture, etc. If he wants to make a contribution to Islam he should kill himself and put a note on his back saying I am a cowardly little pussy.

There's nothing actually wrong w/ communism, just the people involved in it...communism is a perfect govt, people just arent perfect and cant stand up to it..
Sounds like thats a pretty major flaw to me, at least practically speaking.

I believe Bin Laden is a pussy. He does not have the balls to fight us out in the open but has his men kidnape little kids, trains them and has them blow themselves up. He talks about martyrism but I do not see him blowing himself up. He is a pussy and a hypocrite. He also talks about the glories of Islam but when he was in collage he was a heavy gambler, a achlohalic, sexadict bully. He lost his virginity to a prostitute and somehow he thinks he is god. He is a true coward because if he was a real man he would make himself a example of a martyer instead of sitting all pretty in his luxury cave telling people to fight for allah. It has been proven that his caves have been fited with libary's, comfy furniture, etc. If he wants to make a contribution to Islam he should kill himself and put a note on his back saying I am a cowardly little pussy.
Well this little "pussy" sure has garnered attention around the world, no matter what you think of him, or what the truth is. The fact remains that this guy is far more dangerous that the "pussy" image that you try and give him.

There's nothing actually wrong w/ communism, just the people involved in it...communism is a perfect govt, people just arent perfect and cant stand up to it..
Sounds like thats a pretty major flaw to me, at least practically speaking.
Well there are some very major flaws with capitalism as well. Perhaps the free enterprise model as demonstrated by the US, just might take the world to another stock market collapse and the biggest depression this world has ever seen, in which case, some form of socialism will kick in?

Perhaps some of the biggest flaws of the free enterprise system, are its' reliance on cheap labour, government concessions, bankruptcy protection for large corporations, and its' contempt for the environment.

What results from this capitalistic society, is that some individuals get marginalized, poverty is inevitable, as is poor health care. With the poverty comes the crime, and so on and so forth. Any society based on just material gains is eventually doomed.

Well there are some very major flaws with capitalism as well. Perhaps the free enterprise model as demonstrated by the US, just might take the world to another stock market collapse and the biggest depression this world has ever seen, in which case, some form of socialism will kick in?

Perhaps some of the biggest flaws of the free enterprise system, are its' reliance on cheap labour, government concessions, bankruptcy protection for large corporations, and its' contempt for the environment.

What results from this capitalistic society, is that some individuals get marginalized, poverty is inevitable, as is poor health care. With the poverty comes the crime, and so on and so forth. Any society based on just material gains is eventually doomed.
Again practically speaking, every "communist" country on the face of the Earth in the past two centuries has become a brutal, mudering dictatorship that impovershed its people in the name of equality. Countries like the USA, or countries changing from more socialistic to capitalist systems, like China or India, forge ahead in global growth and production. The fact of the matter is, all the shades of communism turned into the same thing, whether they were "Maoist", "Stalinist", or some 3rd breed. Since the USA started heading from Classical Economics to Keynsian, still both heavily capitalistic systems, there have been no great depressions.

Well there are some very major flaws with capitalism as well. Perhaps the free enterprise model as demonstrated by the US, just might take the world to another stock market collapse and the biggest depression this world has ever seen, in which case, some form of socialism will kick in?

Perhaps some of the biggest flaws of the free enterprise system, are its' reliance on cheap labour, government concessions, bankruptcy protection for large corporations, and its' contempt for the environment.

What results from this capitalistic society, is that some individuals get marginalized, poverty is inevitable, as is poor health care. With the poverty comes the crime, and so on and so forth. Any society based on just material gains is eventually doomed.
Again practically speaking, every "communist" country on the face of the Earth in the past two centuries has become a brutal, mudering dictatorship that impovershed its people in the name of equality. Countries like the USA, or countries changing from more socialistic to capitalist systems, like China or India, forge ahead in global growth and production. The fact of the matter is, all the shades of communism turned into the same thing, whether they were "Maoist", "Stalinist", or some 3rd breed. Since the USA started heading from Classical Economics to Keynsian, still both heavily capitalistic systems, there have been no great depressions.

Well there are some very major flaws with capitalism as well. Perhaps the free enterprise model as demonstrated by the US, just might take the world to another stock market collapse and the biggest depression this world has ever seen, in which case, some form of socialism will kick in?

Perhaps some of the biggest flaws of the free enterprise system, are its' reliance on cheap labour, government concessions, bankruptcy protection for large corporations, and its' contempt for the environment.

What results from this capitalistic society, is that some individuals get marginalized, poverty is inevitable, as is poor health care. With the poverty comes the crime, and so on and so forth. Any society based on just material gains is eventually doomed.
Again practically speaking, every "communist" country on the face of the Earth in the past two centuries has become a brutal, mudering dictatorship that impovershed its people in the name of equality. Countries like the USA, or countries changing from more socialistic to capitalist systems, like China or India, forge ahead in global growth and production. The fact of the matter is, all the shades of communism turned into the same thing, whether they were "Maoist", "Stalinist", or some 3rd breed. Since the USA started heading from Classical Economics to Keynsian, still both heavily capitalistic systems, there have been no great depressions.

Bin Laden has realized that he cannot finnish what he started and wants a "truce" with the West.

The pussy countries like France (who already surrendered to him) may take it, but I know Bush won't stop until that f--- ers head is on a stick.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_bin_laden_tape&cid=540&ncid=716

Actually, he only offered the truce to Europe.

He vowed to keep fighting the US.
Great way to show your ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm
This is a trick of bin Laden to divide the free world and to try to play on Bush's isolation of Europe and make it the US alone vurses himself.

Before running to the computer and write a long post, how about actually watching/reading the whole news bulletin?
I mean...The first response of ALL the European countries (this includes Germany and France) was "we don't make deals with terrorists", both the german and the french presidents gave long speeches right away after the tape was broadcasted.

Well there are some very major flaws with capitalism as well. Perhaps the free enterprise model as demonstrated by the US, just might take the world to another stock market collapse and the biggest depression this world has ever seen, in which case, some form of socialism will kick in?

Perhaps some of the biggest flaws of the free enterprise system, are its' reliance on cheap labour, government concessions, bankruptcy protection for large corporations, and its' contempt for the environment.

What results from this capitalistic society, is that some individuals get marginalized, poverty is inevitable, as is poor health care. With the poverty comes the crime, and so on and so forth. Any society based on just material gains is eventually doomed.
Again practically speaking, every "communist" country on the face of the Earth in the past two centuries has become a brutal, mudering dictatorship that impovershed its people in the name of equality. Countries like the USA, or countries changing from more socialistic to capitalist systems, like China or India, forge ahead in global growth and production. The fact of the matter is, all the shades of communism turned into the same thing, whether they were "Maoist", "Stalinist", or some 3rd breed. Since the USA started heading from Classical Economics to Keynsian, still both heavily capitalistic systems, there have been no great depressions.
If Bush and the Republicans continue to spend like drunken sailors, the IMF has warned of dire consequences. If interest rates rise along with consumer prices, and jobs continue to go to offshore interests, that will also contribute to an economic implosion.

Even though more jobs have been created, the majority are part time and poverty continues to climb.

Then there are the intangibles, such as another terrorist action within the US, and increased demands for more money to fight the war in Iraq and any subsequent spinoff.

The stop signs are in place, but it looks like the pedal is to the metal?

I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out the fact that Al-Qaeda are not one large cohesive body, but rather Al-Qaeda is merely a name that refers to a number of similar cells and networks largely operating on their own authority and rarely the orders of Bin Laden or some other Al-Q kingpin. Osama Bin Laden may technically be the head of the organisation but in reality a man hiding in a cave around the Pakistani/Afghan border cannot really assert a great deal of authority over the workings of such a fragmented organisation. This "truce" for one thing is virtually meaningless in reality and is little more than an attempt to disunite the western world.