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Hey, just asking!

Objectively speaking, masturbation is simply inducing a muscle-spasm in oneself - nothing more.

Yet it obviously means much more than that to many people, and one's religion (or lack of it) seems to have a bearing on what we think on the subject.

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.

Sigh. Everyone always getting my hopes up.

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.

Sigh. Everyone always getting my hopes up.

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.

Sigh. Everyone always getting my hopes up.

Yeah, people are harsh like that. :wink:

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.
Isn't this in general?? :P

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.
Isn't this in general?? :P
dammit, i was hoping to make this joke

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians

What, like, do you mean, right here?

Right now?

Kinky.

Err...don't get your hopes up. :wink:

I think he means in general.
Isn't this in general?? :P

Well...I guess...technically speaking... :oops:

DP

TP

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians

I don't have to look at anything. I have a vivid imagination. :D

in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right?

Well no, you don't have to be looking at anything or even thinking about any particular person.

I always thought overly religious people were w*nkers anyway.


:P

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some religions out there that actually sanctified masturbation in one form or another.
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TP

:lol: :lol: :lol:

oh...you meant "triple post" :oops:

Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right?

No...ever hear of "morning wood"?

I have a Christian friend who confess to, twice a week. Poor thing, he looked so cute and guilty when we asked him :wink:

in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right?

Also, I think that "looking at something" is much more of a guy-thing than something women usually do. I suspect that women tend mostly to just use their imagination while "polishing-the-pearl". Or am I wrong about that?

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians

Er, so any time I'm aroused I'm commiting a sin? Golly.

Well, in that case, I might as well masturbate religiously while eating shell fish, wearing blended fabric clothing and stoning my daughter. In for a penny, in for a pound, right?

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians
I'm also a Christian, and I believe that masturbation is OK, maybe even healthy. Your point with lust is a good one, but, technically, if you masturbated without looking at people lustfully, couldn't masturbation be acceptable? Regardless, you can't deny that its one of those Biblical grey areas that God left no specific instructions for.
The being healthy part is mostly secular. Releasing sexual tension is good, and I think it's a whole lot more moral than promiscuity or adultery. Not to mention the health benefits: burns 600 calories every time!

Reminds me of Operation Infinite Purity (http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp)

I masterbate religiously :D

I know for a fact that they do. A friend of mine caught one doing it in a library.

I know for a fact that they do. A friend of mine caught one doing it in a library.

and we all know by now that Priests do it too (except not with themselfs, I guess they think its some kinda sin do it to yourself only, manybe)

IF GOD DIDN'T WANT US TO MASTURBATE HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT FEEL SO DAMN GOOD! :P

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians
I'm also a Christian, and I believe that masturbation is OK, maybe even healthy. Your point with lust is a good one, but, technically, if you masturbated without looking at people lustfully, couldn't masturbation be acceptable? Regardless, you can't deny that its one of those Biblical grey areas that God left no specific instructions for.
The being healthy part is mostly secular. Releasing sexual tension is good, and I think it's a whole lot more moral than promiscuity or adultery. Not to mention the health benefits: burns 600 calories every time!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

IF GOD DIDN'T WANT US TO MASTURBATE HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT FEEL SO DAMN GOOD! :P

if it feels good it IS good--thats LOGIC

IF GOD DIDN'T WANT US TO MASTURBATE HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT FEEL SO DAMN GOOD! :P

if it feels good it IS good--thats LOGIC
yeah but not as good as actually doing it...............im in a dry spell...........................7 months 2 weeks 13 days....................i need to go do..............something........................in.....my.............room :roll:

Well I'm a LADY!!! and so may not have the required, hmm, testiclez for boffing the marrow. If, however, I fancy a good bean flick then show me a tidy piece of scrumpet and I'm off with the pixies.

Sinning??? no,no. I've raised much for charity by mine efforts.

Well I'm a LADY!!! and so may not have the required, hmm, testiclez for boffing the marrow. If, however, I fancy a good bean flick then show me a tidy piece of scrumpet and I'm off with the pixies.

Sinning??? no,no. I've raised much for charity by mine efforts.
:wink:

Sinning??? no,no. I've raised much for charity by mine efforts.

Politeness alone stops me asking, how?

DP

I masterbate religiously :D

Do you think of Jesus while jerking off the taliwacker? :lol:

I masterbate religiously :D

Do you think of Jesus while jerking off the taliwacker? :lol:

I think only Mel Gibson does that.

Yes...

Back when I was "religious" (years ago, I know, the shock), I did. But I denied it then (now I am blunt about it).

It is healthy! There was this recent study done recently that ejaculating more, 21 times a month was their number, may help reduce the risk for prostate cancer.
We girls will just have to keep doing it for fun. :wink:

It is healthy! There was this recent study done recently that ejaculating more, 21 times a month was their number, may help reduce the risk for prostate cancer.
Woohoo! Medical reason! 8)

IF GOD DIDN'T WANT US TO MASTURBATE HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT FEEL SO DAMN GOOD! :P

if it feels good it IS good--thats LOGIC
yeah but not as good as actually doing it...............im in a dry spell...........................7 months 2 weeks 13 days....................i need to go do..............something........................in.....my.............room :roll:

I just finished myself now

I masterbate religiously :D

Do you think of Jesus while jerking off the taliwacker? :lol:

LOL hells no--Im always self conscuss he might be watching tho

It is healthy! There was this recent study done recently that ejaculating more, 21 times a month was their number, may help reduce the risk for prostate cancer.
Us girls will just hav to keep doing it for fun. :wink:

I'm pretty sure that regular orgasms bring health benefits for women too - everybody's homework assignment is to find some respectable medical research on this topic. :)

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.

Oh my Gawd!


*Goes to find porn and commit yet another sin, or whatever...*

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.

the body demands relief

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful

Oh my Gawd!


*Goes to find porn and commit yet another sin, or whatever...*
:lol:

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:

It is healthy! There was this recent study done recently that ejaculating more, 21 times a month was their number, may help reduce the risk for prostate cancer.
Us girls will just hav to keep doing it for fun. :wink:

I'm pretty sure that regular orgasms bring health benefits for women too - everybody's homework assignment is to find some respectable medical research on this topic. :)Is there any kind of practical aspect we can bring to this?

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:
and i know you really don't jack the """"****sack****"""" but it rymed wit jack. soooooo i went with it.

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:
and i know you really don't jack the """"****sack****"""" but it rymed wit jack. soooooo i went with it.

but it works :twisted:

Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:
and i know you really don't jack the """"****sack****"""" but it rymed wit jack. soooooo i went with it.

but it works :twisted:

[quote=Ragesh III]Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:
and i know you really don't jack the """"****sack****"""" but it rymed wit jack. soooooo i went with it.

but it works :twisted:[/quote
:lol:......ha ha ha .........hey wait!!!!!!!!!!! eeeeww.....................but hey what ever works :wink:

bumpity bump bump

[quote=Ragesh III]Well, they do help relieve headaches, and release 'happy' neurochemicals that can help with mild depression and stress, regardless of gender.
But I don't think they do much for preventing ovarian cancer or anything.
ive allways said
"when in doubt jack the sack"
sniff sniff :cry: so beautiful
:lol:
and i know you really don't jack the """"****sack****"""" but it rymed wit jack. soooooo i went with it.

but it works :twisted:[/quote
:lol:......ha ha ha .........hey wait!!!!!!!!!!! eeeeww.....................but hey what ever works :wink:

let this thread die--its given me.... intense thoughts :(

bumpity bump bump
Shouldn't that be fappity fap fap? :wink:

bumpity bump bump
Shouldn't that be fappity fap fap? :wink: :lol:

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians

Uhhh.... no. You don't have to look at something. Or even think about something, for that matter. The body and the mind are often interconnected, but they can unquestionably function independently as well. The physical response can be completely separate from what the majority of the brain is paying attention to.

But the real question, of course, is: do religious people masturbate WITH CARMEX? (If not you should try it! Menthol does funny things. :D )

As a Christian I must say that Masturbation is wrong. This however is one of the may gray areas in the Bible basically because the Bible doesn't use the word Masturbation specifically. On old definition of Masturbation use to be self abuse (something the bible does specifically speak against). If you look at self-abuse in the dictionary or at dictionary.com you will see the definition is

self-a·buse (slf-bys)
n.
Abuse of oneself or one's abilities.
Masturbation.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

As a Christian I must say that Masturbation is wrong. This however is one of the may gray areas in the Bible basically because the Bible doesn't use the word Masturbation specifically. On old definition of Masturbation use to be self abuse (something the bible does specifically speak against). If you look at self-abuse in the dictionary or at dictionary.com you will see the definition is

self-a·buse (slf-bys)
n.
Abuse of oneself or one's abilities.
Masturbation.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

this is all just further proof that the bible couldnt have been written by a Superior Being

As a Christian I must say that Masturbation is wrong. This however is one of the may gray areas in the Bible basically because the Bible doesn't use the word Masturbation specifically. On old definition of Masturbation use to be self abuse (something the bible does specifically speak against). If you look at self-abuse in the dictionary or at dictionary.com you will see the definition is

self-a·buse (slf-bys)
n.
Abuse of oneself or one's abilities.
Masturbation.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

this is all just further proof that the bible couldnt have been written by a Superior Being

and another reason why i hate organized religion :)

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians
While I agree with you overall, I don't think that in itself masturbation is bad. It's what accompanies it. What about "wet dreams." Guys have them, it's not like they can be controlled.
What do you think?

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of time

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians
While I agree with you overall, I don't think that in itself masturbation is bad. It's what accompanies it. What about "wet dreams." Guys have them, it's not like they can be controlled.
What do you think?Bad attempt at a similarity there. Masterbation can be controlled. Also "wet dreams" are often the product of having impure thoughts. In most Christian beliefs, thinking about committing a sin is considered the same as committing the sin.

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

I'm a Christian and I have to say that masturbation is wrong. Think about it for a second, in order to do it then you have to be looking as something to get you aroused right? In Christian terminology this is called lust and Jesus clearly told us in Matthew that lust is wrong, so therefore masturbation is wrong.

Unashamed Christians
While I agree with you overall, I don't think that in itself masturbation is bad. It's what accompanies it. What about "wet dreams." Guys have them, it's not like they can be controlled.
What do you think?Bad attempt at a similarity there. Masterbation can be controlled. Also "wet dreams" are often the product of having impure thoughts. In most Christian beliefs, thinking about committing a sin is considered the same as committing the sin.

wet dreams are uncontrollable , 99.9%of human males will have more than one wet dream

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

do religious people think?
come on now. masturbation is so natural, even animals do it.
besides, all of you have really bogus mythologies.
can't you praise athena, goddess of wisdom, like normal people?

or maybe just be non religious like 1 in every 3 people.

:lol:

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow them

Does it count if you're lazy and get your girlfriend to do it?

fap fap fap fap fap fap...

Sorry, what was the question? :shock:

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Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

humans can't. and it's because of these ridiculous ideologies, that oyu uber christians have so many children. and too many children is bad. overpopulation is the root of all evil. end of story. masturbate, and please, quit having so many children because of your goofy beliefs.

overpopulation causes everything from wars to deforestation, pandemics to deportation, higher taxes, crowding, and poor education, and don't forget ad rhyming people who know a hell of a lot more than you and have researched your mythologies along with other world mythologies and just want to tell you to please spare me more ignorant babies.

Credit George Carlin with this observation, but it's true...
If God had intended us not to masturbate, He'd have made our arms shorter!

Does it count if you're lazy and get your girlfriend to do it?

no, because real christians just have sex. and sex. and they cant think of anything else. because thinking was outlawed in christianity till about the 17ht century, when christian peasants started actually reading. lol.
and you still can't ask too many questions or else you get beaten and sodimized by your ministers.

and in any event, all this sex leads to overpopulation, and in case oyu didnt know, the earth cant sustain every single time you cant keep your tools to yourselves.

... fap fap fap fap fap fap fap...

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Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.Haven't talked with many teenage boys have you. The age group that is most likely to masterbate.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?The question was about Christians. The topic of sex is talked about in the bible. Even in one part there is a verse that states it is a sin to spill your seed upon the ground. Premarital sex is looked at as a sin by most Christian faiths. Premarital sex is not defined as only intercourse. A sexual act is a sexual act no matter how many people are involved.

Credit George Carlin with this observation, but it's true...
If God had intended us not to masturbate, He'd have made our arms shorter!

this is of course insinuating that, a. you are dumb enough to believe in god, yet not believe in evolution. because evolutionally, we walked on knuckles. but then again, science doesnt mix with stupidity... i mean ignorant delusional mythology of people who are afraid to die.

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

(sarcasm on)

He can dictate it because he's one of those hoier-than-thou types. He can dictate it because he so obviously is an Earth Person. Exactly what do I mean by "Earth Person?" Wjhat I mean by that phrase is people who don't have a problem with pot or alcohol or drugs, or cough syrup or any of the other things that phuck up the human mind...people who can thus afford to moralize and make judgements!

(sarcasm off)

MITHRA! PYTHAGOREAN CULT! YAHWEH!

Im sorry. I meant to say Jesus.

That is what you call it now. right?

but what about in another 100 years when science has explained all...

oh no. i am being so mean. i shouldnt be *bashing* people who can't think outside of the box.

Haven't talked with many teenage boys have you. The age group that is most likely to masterbate. Despite the fact its been proven women are actually more likely to masturbate than men.

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

I think I musta been rubbing myself up since I was a baby cause my father told me he used to have to go into my bedroom when I was an infant in the crib and have to roll me over on my back cause the creaking of the crib kept my parents up all nite

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

I think I musta been rubbing myself up since I was a baby cause my father told me he used to have to go into my bedroom when I was an infant in the crib and have to roll me over on my back cause the creaking of the crib kept my parents up all nite

humans can't. and it's because of these ridiculous ideologies, that oyu uber christians have so many children. and too many children is bad. overpopulation is the root of all evil. end of story. masturbate, and please, quit having so many children because of your goofy beliefs.

overpopulation causes everything from wars to deforestation, pandemics to deportation, higher taxes, crowding, and poor education, and don't forget ad rhyming people who know a hell of a lot more than you and have researched your mythologies along with other world mythologies and just want to tell you to please spare me more ignorant babies.Here is something to think about, before making yourself sound foolish. I have not and will not claim that sexual intercourse is only for the purpose of procreation. My wife and I have two children, and as long as we can read a calendar, that is all we will have. Over population? Not because of anything I have done.

humans can't. and it's because of these ridiculous ideologies, that oyu uber christians have so many children. and too many children is bad. overpopulation is the root of all evil. end of story. masturbate, and please, quit having so many children because of your goofy beliefs.

overpopulation causes everything from wars to deforestation, pandemics to deportation, higher taxes, crowding, and poor education, and don't forget ad rhyming people who know a hell of a lot more than you and have researched your mythologies along with other world mythologies and just want to tell you to please spare me more ignorant babies.Here is something to think about, before making yourself sound foolish. I have not and will not claim that sexual intercourse is only for the purpose of procreation. My wife and I have two children, and as long as we can read a calendar, that is all we will have. Over population? Not because of anything I have done.

Reading the calendar is nowhere a guarantee. If you don't use another method of contraception she may end up pregnant again.

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

Puhleez.

Masturbation and making love with a spouse are two completely different things - the idea that only people without partners masturbate is a total myth. Lots of married adults with active sex lives still masturbate too.

Making love (or just having a good ol' hot f**k) with your partner is one of life's great delights and privileges. But it's not at the top of some hierarchy of sexual expression that makes masturbation somehow inferior.

Gaining that wisdom is a major part of growing up - and growing up is something fundamentalists are rather poor at.

do religious people think?
come on now. masturbation is so natural, even animals do it.
besides, all of you have really bogus mythologies.
can't you praise athena, goddess of wisdom, like normal people?

or maybe just be non religious like 1 in every 3 people.

:lol:Sorry but that level of stupidity is not prevalent in Christians.

do religious people think?
come on now. masturbation is so natural, even animals do it.
besides, all of you have really bogus mythologies.
can't you praise athena, goddess of wisdom, like normal people?

or maybe just be non religious like 1 in every 3 people.

:lol:Sorry but that level of stupidity is not prevalent in Christians.

rightwingers are false christians

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

God also made sex feel good--so why would he give a gift to his creations then tell them they cant enjoy it?

Credit George Carlin with this observation, but it's true...
If God had intended us not to masturbate, He'd have made our arms shorter!

this is of course insinuating that, a. you are dumb enough to believe in god, yet not believe in evolution. because evolutionally, we walked on knuckles. but then again, science doesnt mix with stupidity... i mean ignorant delusional mythology of people who are afraid to die.Afraid to die? Why in the world would a Christian be afraid to die? All physical death is is a start to the next life. Of course your scientist wouldn't know that because science can't even find the beginning of life. Christians know when that happened. Science is as falable as man, because man does the science.

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

(sarcasm on)

He can dictate it because he's one of those hoier-than-thou types. He can dictate it because he so obviously is an Earth Person. Exactly what do I mean by "Earth Person?" Wjhat I mean by that phrase is people who don't have a problem with pot or alcohol or drugs, or cough syrup or any of the other things that phuck up the human mind...people who can thus afford to moralize and make judgements!

(sarcasm off)Heard all those before. Sarcasm or not, I am sorry to inform you that I don't use drugs nor alcohol. Scary isn't it, to find a clear minded Christian.

Credit George Carlin with this observation, but it's true...
If God had intended us not to masturbate, He'd have made our arms shorter!

this is of course insinuating that, a. you are dumb enough to believe in god, yet not believe in evolution. because evolutionally, we walked on knuckles. but then again, science doesnt mix with stupidity... i mean ignorant delusional mythology of people who are afraid to die.Afraid to die? Why in the world would a Christian be afraid to die? All physical death is is a start to the next life. Of course your scientist wouldn't know that because science can't even find the beginning of life. Christians know when that happened. Science is as falable as man, because man does the science.
I once sat next to a Christian fanatic on a plane and she was spouting her usual biblical babble to me but as soon as the plane started taking off she turned sheet white and started praying frantically on her rosaries--it was SAD

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

(sarcasm on)

He can dictate it because he's one of those hoier-than-thou types. He can dictate it because he so obviously is an Earth Person. Exactly what do I mean by "Earth Person?" Wjhat I mean by that phrase is people who don't have a problem with pot or alcohol or drugs, or cough syrup or any of the other things that phuck up the human mind...people who can thus afford to moralize and make judgements!

(sarcasm off)Heard all those before. Sarcasm or not, I am sorry to inform you that I don't use drugs nor alcohol. Scary isn't it, to find a clear minded Christian.

you dont love God you FEAR him--theres a difference

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

MITHRA! PYTHAGOREAN CULT! YAHWEH!

Im sorry. I meant to say Jesus.

That is what you call it now. right?

but what about in another 100 years when science has explained all...Man has been doing "scientific" research since before Jesus. They still haven't found anything. Can't the scientist take a hint. The answer has already been given to them.

oh no. i am being so mean. i shouldnt be *bashing* people who can't think outside of the box.And maybe I shouldn't be "bashing" people who can't see outside the test tubes.

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superior

Haven't talked with many teenage boys have you. The age group that is most likely to masterbate. Despite the fact its been proven women are actually more likely to masturbate than men.I think you are overlooking the age group factor there.

MITHRA! PYTHAGOREAN CULT! YAHWEH!

Im sorry. I meant to say Jesus.

That is what you call it now. right?

but what about in another 100 years when science has explained all...Man has been doing "scientific" research since before Jesus. They still haven't found anything. Can't the scientist take a hint. The answer has already been given to them.

it was your fundamentalist ancestors who crucified Christ so its ironic that you try to speak in his name now

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

But why? I consider masturbation to be a harmless exercise and I don't see why I need to 'resist temptation'.

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In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superior

All you do is make up stupid comments in your head because everyone who is against you MUST be from the right wing. I find you to be a moron, simple as that. I do not care where you align yourself politically, you are still a moron.

Morally superior? Define morals first.

Jesus Christ was the worlds first radical leftwing activist

Jesus Christ was the worlds first radical leftwing activist

The world's first?! You are such an idiot! How many people lived before Jesus?! Many! What are the chances that none of them were radical, liberal, activists? Close to zero! God, think about it for a second before you decide to post.

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superior

All you do is make up stupid comments in your head because everyone who is against you MUST be from the right wing. I find you to be a moron, simple as that. I do not care where you align yourself politically, you are still a moron.

Morally superior? Define morals first.

moral=fighting for social justice instead of cannibalizing leftwingers

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superior

All you do is make up stupid comments in your head because everyone who is against you MUST be from the right wing. I find you to be a moron, simple as that. I do not care where you align yourself politically, you are still a moron.

Morally superior? Define morals first.

moral=fighting for social justice instead of cannibalizing leftwingers

Puhleez.

Masturbation and making love with a spouse are two completely different things - the idea that only people without partners masturbate is a total myth. Lots of married adults with active sex lives still masturbate too.

Making love (or just having a good ol' hot f**k) with your partner is one of life's great delights and privileges. But it's not at the top of some hierarchy of sexual expression that makes masturbation somehow inferior.

Gaining that wisdom is a major part of growing up - and growing up is something fundamentalists are rather poor at.I would agree that fundamentalist are rather an immature group. Atheist fundamentalist and Christian ones as well.

moral=fighting for social justice instead of cannibalizing leftwingers

mor·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môrl, mr-)
adj.
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

n.
The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.


I do not know where you got your definition, but I like that one better. But in my personal opinion, morals are relative.

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

God also made sex feel good--so why would he give a gift to his creations then tell them they cant enjoy it?It is nice to see you admit that there is a God. He doesn't tell us we can't enjoy sex. You can enjoy all the sex you want with your spouse.

I once sat next to a Christian fanatic on a plane and she was spouting her usual biblical babble to me but as soon as the plane started taking off she turned sheet white and started praying frantically on her rosaries--it was SADCould it have been that she was praying for the others on the flight. The prayer of the rosary is not specifically for that person.

you dont love God you FEAR him--theres a differenceYou obviously don't know that the word fear, as used in the bible, does not mean to be afraid of. It means to hold a high respect for.

As a Christian I must say that Masturbation is wrong. This however is one of the may gray areas in the Bible basically because the Bible doesn't use the word Masturbation specifically. On old definition of Masturbation use to be self abuse (something the bible does specifically speak against). If you look at self-abuse in the dictionary or at dictionary.com you will see the definition is

self-a·buse (slf-bys)
n.
Abuse of oneself or one's abilities.
Masturbation.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

this is all just further proof that the bible couldnt have been written by a Superior Being

lets just be glad your opinion doesn't count for much!!!

I mean what do you expect God to list every single word in the Human language in one book...get over it. The topics are there. Unless there are people like you who aren't smart enough to figure that out. In that case there are people like me who have to pray even harder.

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.I find TRA to be nothing but amusing. So easy to turn his words against him it is almost no fun. I do give him credit for being a prime example of the liberal mindset. I fail to see why so many liberals always ask me to ignore him.

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superiorOnce again a lame attempt to highjack this thread into a political debate. What a shame to lower yourself to that level.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

Um, where exactly does that passage mention lustful thoughts? It only mentions sexual immorality. Wouldn't a person still be having lustful thoughts if they were having sex with their spouse?

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it was your fundamentalist ancestors who crucified Christ so its ironic that you try to speak in his name nowAnd as so many evolutionist have tried to claim, it was your fundamentalist ancestors who walked on their knuckles. So why don't you stop acting like one of the examples of a specimen who's brain failed to evolve?

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

But why? I consider masturbation to be a harmless exercise and I don't see why I need to 'resist temptation'.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifAs I have pointed out previously in this thread. The question asked pertains to Christians. Are you claiming also to be a Christian?

humans can't. and it's because of these ridiculous ideologies, that oyu uber christians have so many children. and too many children is bad. overpopulation is the root of all evil. end of story. masturbate, and please, quit having so many children because of your goofy beliefs.

overpopulation causes everything from wars to deforestation, pandemics to deportation, higher taxes, crowding, and poor education, and don't forget ad rhyming people who know a hell of a lot more than you and have researched your mythologies along with other world mythologies and just want to tell you to please spare me more ignorant babies.Here is something to think about, before making yourself sound foolish. I have not and will not claim that sexual intercourse is only for the purpose of procreation. My wife and I have two children, and as long as we can read a calendar, that is all we will have. Over population? Not because of anything I have done.

Reading the calendar is nowhere a guarantee. If you don't use another method of contraception she may end up pregnant again.

Quite. My parents used what I call Vatican Roulette. And my brother and I were both "oops" babies.
My parents were TRYING to have my brother. The rhythm didn't work. they ended up deciding to wait on kids and buy a house. no sooner than they were in the house, with no way back out...ooops!! There comes my brother.

My folks were gonna wait about 5 years before a second child. Yet, nine months after my brother, and using the rhythm trying NOT to get pregnant, ooops!! There's me.
Just nine months after having my brother, my mom got preggers again, this time with me.
My brother and I are 18 months apart.

After that, my parents said to hell with Vatican Roulette, and began using condoms and other means of contraception...and guess what? I'm the youngest of my parent's children...I'm the one that made 'em give up!

So much for your calendar.

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

Um, where exactly does that passage mention lustful thoughts? It only mentions sexual immorality. Wouldn't a person still be having lustful thoughts if they were having sex with their spouse?

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no that verse does not mention lustful thoughts because to goes with the comments made previously in the post.

also to answer your question, if you are having sex with your spouse your thoughts are different from those of masterbation...again already pointed out.

Jesus Christ was the worlds first radical leftwing activistThe very term "Radical leftwing activist" implies a political agenda. Jesus Christ only had a religious agenda.

moral=fighting for social justice instead of cannibalizing leftwingersWhy does this definition of morals, coming from a leftwinger, not surprise me?

I Corithians 6:18 says:Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

And you have to admist usually when someone masturbates there are usually lustful thoughts and again the Bible does speak clearly about this subject as well.

Um, where exactly does that passage mention lustful thoughts? It only mentions sexual immorality. Wouldn't a person still be having lustful thoughts if they were having sex with their spouse?

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifLust is not a feeling a person has for their spouse. That would be love. Love just happens to be a good thing between spouses.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

But why? I consider masturbation to be a harmless exercise and I don't see why I need to 'resist temptation'.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifAs I have pointed out previously in this thread. The question asked pertains to Christians. Are you claiming also to be a Christian?

I used to be a practising Catholic. However I became disenchanted with the Church for a number of reasons, including it's dogmatic attitude and insistance that its followers observe seemingly illogical rules which I was told were thought up by an apparently wise and loving creator.

I suppose you'd call me an agnostic at the moment.

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Lust is not a feeling a person has for their spouse. That would be love. Love just happens to be a good thing between spouses.

More a matter of semantics than anything, but I consider that a person can still feel lust for their spouse and love for a person who is not their spouse.

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Quite. My parents used what I call Vatican Roulette. And my brother and I were both "oops" babies.
My parents were TRYING to have my brother. The rhythm didn't work. they ended up deciding to wait on kids and buy a house. no sooner than they were in the house, with no way back out...ooops!! There comes my brother.

My folks were gonna wait about 5 years before a second child. Yet, nine months after my brother, and using the rhythm trying NOT to get pregnant, ooops!! There's me.
Just nine months after having my brother, my mom got preggers again, this time with me.
My brother and I are 18 months apart.

After that, my parents said to hell with Vatican Roulette, and began using condoms and other means of contraception...and guess what? I'm the youngest of my parent's children...I'm the one that made 'em give up!

So much for your calendar.As this was obviously God's choice in the matter, you were meant to be born when you were. You forget that this issue is dealing with Christians?

I used to be a practising Catholic. However I became disenchanted with the Church for a number of reasons, including it's dogmatic attitude and insistance that its followers observe seemingly illogical rules which I was told were thought up by an apparently wise and loving creator.

I suppose you'd call me an agnostic at the moment.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifYou have every right to your religious beliefs. However, this thread specified Christians. That is what I was pointing out. You proclaim yourself an agnostic so it does not apply for you.

Quite. My parents used what I call Vatican Roulette. And my brother and I were both "oops" babies.
My parents were TRYING to have my brother. The rhythm didn't work. they ended up deciding to wait on kids and buy a house. no sooner than they were in the house, with no way back out...ooops!! There comes my brother.

My folks were gonna wait about 5 years before a second child. Yet, nine months after my brother, and using the rhythm trying NOT to get pregnant, ooops!! There's me.
Just nine months after having my brother, my mom got preggers again, this time with me.
My brother and I are 18 months apart.

After that, my parents said to hell with Vatican Roulette, and began using condoms and other means of contraception...and guess what? I'm the youngest of my parent's children...I'm the one that made 'em give up!

So much for your calendar.As this was obviously God's choice in the matter, you were meant to be born when you were. You forget that this issue is dealing with Christians?
Oh and here is one to chew on that shows how illogical that arguement is. My own parents where trying not to have any more children. They were using condoms and the pill. Six years after I was born here came my brother. My parents always said there were no missed pills and no broken condoms. Guess that is what happens when God wants it to.

You have every right to your religious beliefs. However, this thread specified Christians. That is what I was pointing out. You proclaim yourself an agnostic so it does not apply for you.

So as a non-Christian, I don't have the right to debate Christian theology? Thank heavens Socialists are more generous.

Also, I note that the thread title refers to 'Religious People', not specifically to Christians.

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You have every right to your religious beliefs. However, this thread specified Christians. That is what I was pointing out. You proclaim yourself an agnostic so it does not apply for you.

So as a non-Christian, I don't have the right to debate Christian theology? Thank heavens Socialists are more generous.

Also, I note that the thread title refers to 'Religious People', not specifically to Christians.

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Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

I don't really care about any of the serious discussion here, but this thread is hilarious. So, when I read that, I just about tore my diaphragm. Seriously, this is by far the best NS thread ever.

this thread specified Christians.

You'll notice the thread title reads "religious people", not Christians specifically. Wiccans, Buddhists and Zoroastrians are equally welcome.

I used to be a practising Catholic. However I became disenchanted with the Church for a number of reasons, including it's dogmatic attitude and insistance that its followers observe seemingly illogical rules which I was told were thought up by an apparently wise and loving creator.

I suppose you'd call me an agnostic at the moment.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifYou have every right to your religious beliefs. However, this thread specified Christians. That is what I was pointing out. You proclaim yourself an agnostic so it does not apply for you.

The thread mentions religious people, not specifically Christians, and in the pole there is a response that speaks of religious people as "them." This tread is not limited to Christians only.

Now that I've said that, I've got a question for you, Jay. Birth control pills have many medical uses other than preventing pregnancy. Women with irregular and/or very heavy periods (which can sometimes be very dangerous to their health) can take them to have regular periods and shorter, lighter periods. A female friend of mine in high school had a hormonal condition where she produced male hormones instead of female. Taking birth control pills was the only way to get estrogen in her system, allowing her to physically develop like a normal woman in puberty. Given scenarios like that, what would the morality of taking birth control? To compound the matter even more, assume that the woman taking them happens to be married and sexually active with her husband.

this thread specified Christians.

You'll notice the thread title reads "religious people", not Christians specifically. Wiccans, Buddhists and Zoroastrians are equally welcome.

Oh and here is one to chew on that shows how illogical that arguement is. My own parents where trying not to have any more children. They were using condoms and the pill. Six years after I was born here came my brother. My parents always said there were no missed pills and no broken condoms. Guess that is what happens when God wants it to.

Chewing and here's what I come up with. Condoms and the pill do not guarantee no pregnancies. They have low failure rates when used properly. My conculsion is that your brother's case is one of those failures through no misuse of the contraceptives by your parents.

Now what I would draw from this on a theological standpoint is that if humans have any control in the matter, then condoms and the pill will greatly reduce the chance of pregnancy when properly used (which many, many studies show). If humans have no control whatsoever and it's all 100% up to God, then using condoms and birth control pills can have no ill effect because as you can't thwart God's will. So either way, if you don't want a pregnancy to happen there is absolutely no reason not to use contraceptives.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?

I don't really care about any of the serious discussion here, but this thread is hilarious. So, when I read that, I just about tore my diaphragm. Seriously, this is by far the best NS thread ever.

Gosh, it feels like my errant child or something :mrgreen:

You have every right to your religious beliefs. However, this thread specified Christians. That is what I was pointing out. You proclaim yourself an agnostic so it does not apply for you.

So as a non-Christian, I don't have the right to debate Christian theology? Thank heavens Socialists are more generous.

Also, I note that the thread title refers to 'Religious People', not specifically to Christians.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifYou are correct, but on the first page of this thread "religious people" were equated with Christians. Furthermore, I have been involved in three different debates lately that claim Agnosticism(sp?) and Atheism both not to be religions. So which is it?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things. Grow up? I've known plenty of grown ups who masturbate. Its more an adult thing that anything, since I don't exactly hear about children rubbing themselves up.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse. Not all of us want a spouse. Not everyone can get a spouse. And some people just like to masturbate even with a spouse. How can you dictate how nad when sexual tension can be realeased, and on what grounds?

I don't really care about any of the serious discussion here, but this thread is hilarious. So, when I read that, I just about tore my diaphragm. Seriously, this is by far the best NS thread ever.Glad you enjoyed it. *Sarcasm noted*

Masturbation, when not done excessively, is quite healthy. Many doctors have come out over time and made that statement and proven it. Tension relief, clearing of dead or dying sperm (for males), and it can surely do wonders to one's mental state in some cases. Excessiveness though is something that should be addressed. Like I say many, many times. The Catholic Church is man-made. It's political more then it's religious and guess what they have been the most power hungry group/organization/anything in the past 2,000 years. It's about control. Plain and simple.

:: bring on the religious arguments but you realize I'm going to bed and I've said my peace so don't get huffy and call me names for not responding ::

this thread specified Christians.

You'll notice the thread title reads "religious people", not Christians specifically. Wiccans, Buddhists and Zoroastrians are equally welcome.Your thread, your call. Just noted what the first page equated to your term.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?

Finally, some grounded perspective! To that I would add things like:

Do religious people brush thier teeth?

Do religious people trim their nails?

Because masturbation is often just one of those regular body-maintenance routines people do for their health and well-being; it's childish and dark age-ish to attach a bunch of moral baggage to something so entirely unremarkable and mundane isn't it?

The thread mentions religious people, not specifically Christians, and in the pole there is a response that speaks of religious people as "them." This tread is not limited to Christians only.

Now that I've said that, I've got a question for you, Jay. Birth control pills have many medical uses other than preventing pregnancy. Women with irregular and/or very heavy periods (which can sometimes be very dangerous to their health) can take them to have regular periods and shorter, lighter periods. A female friend of mine in high school had a hormonal condition where she produced male hormones instead of female. Taking birth control pills was the only way to get estrogen in her system, allowing her to physically develop like a normal woman in puberty. Given scenarios like that, what would the morality of taking birth control? To compound the matter even more, assume that the woman taking them happens to be married and sexually active with her husband.I have absolutely no moral issue with the use of birth control, I just happen to chose not to use any myself for my own personal reasons.

You are correct, but on the first page of this thread "religious people" were equated with Christians. Furthermore, I have been involved in three different debates lately that claim Agnosticism(sp?) and Atheism both not to be religions. So which is it?

The person who started the thread has reiterated that people of all religions are welcome. That's good enough for me.

Whether agnosticism and/or atheism are religions depends on what definition one applies to the word 'religion'.

If one applies the narrow definition, which requires a strong belief in a deity/superior being, then no, they are not religions.

However if you apply the wider definition which refers to a belief system or desire to be in touch with an 'ultimate reality', then yes, they are religions.

I would argue for the latter.

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this thread specified Christians.

You'll notice the thread title reads "religious people", not Christians specifically. Wiccans, Buddhists and Zoroastrians are equally welcome.Your thread, your call. Just noted what the first page equated to your term.Only if you look at the world through Jesus colored glasses--I went through the first two pages of the thread and it was mostly double posts and bad jokes and one repressed Christian making ludicrous statements. Most everyone else was too busy joking around to limit the conversation to one religion.

The thread mentions religious people, not specifically Christians, and in the pole there is a response that speaks of religious people as "them." This tread is not limited to Christians only.

Now that I've said that, I've got a question for you, Jay. Birth control pills have many medical uses other than preventing pregnancy. Women with irregular and/or very heavy periods (which can sometimes be very dangerous to their health) can take them to have regular periods and shorter, lighter periods. A female friend of mine in high school had a hormonal condition where she produced male hormones instead of female. Taking birth control pills was the only way to get estrogen in her system, allowing her to physically develop like a normal woman in puberty. Given scenarios like that, what would the morality of taking birth control? To compound the matter even more, assume that the woman taking them happens to be married and sexually active with her husband.I have absolutely no moral issue with the use of birth control, I just happen to chose not to use any myself for my own personal reasons.

That surprizes me because of the anti-masturbation stance you've taken in this thread. I would have expected otherwise because of your post about God doing the smiting thing because of spilling seed on the ground, and the sperm expelled from sex with contraceptives is nearly as useless as sperm expelled durning masturbation. Anyway, I'm curious, what denomination are you? I hope you don't mind me asking

It's healthy.
It's natural.
It harms none.
It feels good.

Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?

Finally, some grounded perspective! To that I would add things like:

Do religious people brush thier teeth?

Do religious people trim their nails?

Because masturbation is often just one of those regular body-maintenance routines people do for their health and well-being; it's childish and dark age-ish to attach a bunch of moral baggage to something so entirely unremarkable and mundane isn't it?

Indeed.

Oh and here is one to chew on that shows how illogical that arguement is. My own parents where trying not to have any more children. They were using condoms and the pill. Six years after I was born here came my brother. My parents always said there were no missed pills and no broken condoms. Guess that is what happens when God wants it to.

Chewing and here's what I come up with. Condoms and the pill do not guarantee no pregnancies. They have low failure rates when used properly. My conculsion is that your brother's case is one of those failures through no misuse of the contraceptives by your parents.

Now what I would draw from this on a theological standpoint is that if humans have any control in the matter, then condoms and the pill will greatly reduce the chance of pregnancy when properly used (which many, many studies show). If humans have no control whatsoever and it's all 100% up to God, then using condoms and birth control pills can have no ill effect because as you can't thwart God's will. So either way, if you don't want a pregnancy to happen there is absolutely no reason not to use contraceptives.I never claimed there was a reason not to. However, this thread is mainly about masturbation. Does a person use contraceptives when masturbating?

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

obviously the devil would like you to believe things more specifically sin is merely harmless....hello read the Bible it talks all about it. One of satin's greatest weapons against Christians is deception. If you allow yourself to be decieved into thinking that Masturbation is ok...then well go right ahead. The point is this thread has produced many scriptures all pointing out that Masturbation is wrong, a sin. However, just because it is a sin does not mean that Believer or Religious people still don't do it. Infact I can tell you most probably do...but again it doesn't take away from the fact that it is wrong....a bodily function sure...healthy...probably...but that alone doesn't make it any less of a sin.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.

obviously the devil would like you to believe things more specifically sin is merely harmless....hello read the Bible it talks all about it. One of satin's greatest weapons against Christians is deception. If you allow yourself to be decieved into thinking that Masturbation is ok...then well go right ahead. The point is this thread has produced many scriptures all pointing out that Masturbation is wrong, a sin. However, just because it is a sin does not mean that Believer or Religious people still don't do it. Infact I can tell you most probably do...but again it doesn't take away from the fact that it is wrong....a bodily function sure...healthy...probably...but that alone doesn't make it any less of a sin.

I haven't seen the bible passages that say masturbation is a sin. There was one where God did some smiting because of sperm spilled on the ground, but if you read the rest of the story that's going on when that happens it is because the guy who got smited was supposed to impregnant his dead brother's wife who had not had children before, but instead he pulled out. That's why he got smited.

As for the others, those have to do with lust and porn. It is entirely possible to masturbate without lusting over anyone/thing or even thinking about anything other than exactly what the person is doing to his or her self.

Masturbation, when not done excessively, is quite healthy. Many doctors have come out over time and made that statement and proven it. Tension relief, clearing of dead or dying sperm (for males), and it can surely do wonders to one's mental state in some cases. Excessiveness though is something that should be addressed. Like I say many, many times. The Catholic Church is man-made. It's political more then it's religious and guess what they have been the most power hungry group/organization/anything in the past 2,000 years. It's about control. Plain and simple.

:: bring on the religious arguments but you realize I'm going to bed and I've said my peace so don't get huffy and call me names for not responding ::Wrong again dead and dying sperm cells are absorbed into the body. The human body does not produce a level of sperm cells that must be expelled. Will not argue the Catholic faith, as I am not a Catholic. Never resort to name calling, it only makes a person look like they have nothing else to say. Good evening.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?

Finally, some grounded perspective! To that I would add things like:

Do religious people brush thier teeth?

Do religious people trim their nails?

Because masturbation is often just one of those regular body-maintenance routines people do for their health and well-being; it's childish and dark age-ish to attach a bunch of moral baggage to something so entirely unremarkable and mundane isn't it?Ah, and with that you support my arguement. There are people who don't brush their teeth and people who don't trim their nails. These people chose not to do so because it is a voluntary action.

Hmmm...Just what am I admitting to by relating that I've not once experienced a wet dream in my decades of life? :wink:

Hmmm...Just what am I admitting to by relating that I've not once experienced a wet dream in my decades of life? :wink:That's you're female?

Well, that's one explanation anyway. :lol:

You are correct, but on the first page of this thread "religious people" were equated with Christians. Furthermore, I have been involved in three different debates lately that claim Agnosticism(sp?) and Atheism both not to be religions. So which is it?

The person who started the thread has reiterated that people of all religions are welcome. That's good enough for me.

Whether agnosticism and/or atheism are religions depends on what definition one applies to the word 'religion'.

If one applies the narrow definition, which requires a strong belief in a deity/superior being, then no, they are not religions.

However if you apply the wider definition which refers to a belief system or desire to be in touch with an 'ultimate reality', then yes, they are religions.

I would argue for the latter.

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http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gifJust FYI I was on the side that they are religions. Thereby giving you every right to debate the issue at hand (forgive the pun).

this thread specified Christians.

You'll notice the thread title reads "religious people", not Christians specifically. Wiccans, Buddhists and Zoroastrians are equally welcome.Your thread, your call. Just noted what the first page equated to your term.Only if you look at the world through Jesus colored glasses--I went through the first two pages of the thread and it was mostly double posts and bad jokes and one repressed Christian making ludicrous statements. Most everyone else was too busy joking around to limit the conversation to one religion.By the term Christian, I am by far not limitting to one religion. I was only making serious replies to the original question. The thread was running along the lines I was following, in case you would like to look back, it wasn't clarified by the author of the thread until much later. Now if you would care to make a comment on the topic of the thread it would be appreciated, if not, don't expect an answer.

The thread mentions religious people, not specifically Christians, and in the pole there is a response that speaks of religious people as "them." This tread is not limited to Christians only.

Now that I've said that, I've got a question for you, Jay. Birth control pills have many medical uses other than preventing pregnancy. Women with irregular and/or very heavy periods (which can sometimes be very dangerous to their health) can take them to have regular periods and shorter, lighter periods. A female friend of mine in high school had a hormonal condition where she produced male hormones instead of female. Taking birth control pills was the only way to get estrogen in her system, allowing her to physically develop like a normal woman in puberty. Given scenarios like that, what would the morality of taking birth control? To compound the matter even more, assume that the woman taking them happens to be married and sexually active with her husband.I have absolutely no moral issue with the use of birth control, I just happen to chose not to use any myself for my own personal reasons.

That surprizes me because of the anti-masturbation stance you've taken in this thread. I would have expected otherwise because of your post about God doing the smiting thing because of spilling seed on the ground, and the sperm expelled from sex with contraceptives is nearly as useless as sperm expelled durning masturbation. Anyway, I'm curious, what denomination are you? I hope you don't mind me askingNot at all. I am pleased that someone finally took the time to ask. United Methodist. Our churches motto is: Open hearts, Open doors, Open minds.

EVERYBODY SING!

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.....when your sperm gets wasted..God Gets so Irate......"

Heh.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.

EVERYONE does it....
Its perfectly natural..and a great way to pass the time...

Some of us apparently have more time they need to pass.....but..moving on..

With all the evil deeds going on in the world....I would think any God with any sort of wisdom...could care less if you flog the dolphin occasionally.

Perhaps, if the Catholic Church advocated masturbation to its priesthood..there might be less cases of altar-boy buggery...?

Maybe if Rome said...."hey....instead of breeding like rabbits, and subjecting yourselves to abject poverty....you could pound one off, and call it a day?"

Makes sense to me.....

"It is far better to spill thy seed in the belly of a whore, than upon the ground."

Whats this supposed to mean?

What is it condoning?

Seriously people......anyone who says they dont....is a lair.
We all do it....often.
So whats to be ashamed about?

Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.Strange that you would be baffled by someone following a 2000 year old book, when the wiccan faith claims to predate Christianity. And the books involved are just as man-made.

EVERYBODY SING!

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.....when your sperm gets wasted..God Gets so Irate......"

Heh.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.

EVERYONE does it....
Its perfectly natural..and a great way to pass the time...

Some of us apparently have more time they need to pass.....but..moving on..

With all the evil deeds going on in the world....I would think any God with any sort of wisdom...could care less if you flog the dolphin occasionally.

Perhaps, if the Catholic Church advocated masturbation to its priesthood..there might be less cases of altar-boy buggery...?

Maybe if Rome said...."hey....instead of breeding like rabbits, and subjecting yourselves to abject poverty....you could pound one off, and call it a day?"

Makes sense to me.....

"It is far better to spill thy seed in the belly of a whore, than upon the ground."

Whats this supposed to mean?

What is it condoning?

Seriously people......anyone who says they dont....is a lair.
We all do it....often.
So whats to be ashamed about?

Thank you!!! :)

EVERYBODY SING!

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.....when your sperm gets wasted..God Gets so Irate......"

Heh.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.

EVERYONE does it....
Its perfectly natural..and a great way to pass the time...

Some of us apparently have more time they need to pass.....but..moving on..

With all the evil deeds going on in the world....I would think any God with any sort of wisdom...could care less if you flog the dolphin occasionally.

Perhaps, if the Catholic Church advocated masturbation to its priesthood..there might be less cases of altar-boy buggery...?

Maybe if Rome said...."hey....instead of breeding like rabbits, and subjecting yourselves to abject poverty....you could pound one off, and call it a day?"

Makes sense to me.....

"It is far better to spill thy seed in the belly of a whore, than upon the ground."

Whats this supposed to mean?

What is it condoning?

Seriously people......anyone who says they dont....is a lair.
We all do it....often.
So whats to be ashamed about?

Thank you!!! :)

Your welcome!

Remember kids......

Its yours, and you can wash it as much as you want.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.


One of my favorite t-shirts for a long time simply said "I'd rather be masturbating." I was walking with truth, buddy. :lol:

Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.Strange that you would be baffled by someone following a 2000 year old book, when the wiccan faith claims to predate Christianity. And the books involved are just as man-made.

That's just it: Wiccan faiths don't HAVE spiritual literature. The point of the religion is to revere nature and the divine powers through various festivals and rituals that have been passed down as traditions throughout the ages, many of which Christianity have overtaken (Easter and Christmas, for example, are largely constituted of Pagan festival traditions). There is no written set of rules to follow, just guidelines. Every practitioner is free to act his or her faith out in whatever way that suits them.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.In all fairness, Jay, you have to admit that an innate part of forgiveness is guilt. Without guilt, there's no repentance, and without repentance, there's no forgiveness. They all have to work together.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.

I think its the whole.."you are personally responsible for the suffering of Christ" thing....

or the "women carrying the original sin of Eve thing"

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.May be true in some cases. Not in all cases. Never had a wet dream. Never wish to. Never masturbate.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.May be true in some cases. Not in all cases. Never had a wet dream. Never wish to. Never masturbate.

Liar.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.In all fairness, Jay, you have to admit that an innate part of forgiveness is guilt. Without guilt, there's no repentance, and without repentance, there's no forgiveness. They all have to work together.

And in fairness to Jay, from my experiences it is the Catholic church that stresses guild the most. Jay said that the United Methodist church is about forgiveness. I'm Episcopalian and we like to celebrate and rejoice a lot. Nobody throws a parade (procession) like Episcopals ^_^

Hmmm...Just what am I admitting to by relating that I've not once experienced a wet dream in my decades of life? :wink:Could be that masturbation is a volutary action that doesn't require the human body to react.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.May be true in some cases. Not in all cases. Never had a wet dream. Never wish to. Never masturbate.

In a word: Bullshit.

EVERYBODY SING!

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.....when your sperm gets wasted..God Gets so Irate......"

Heh.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.

EVERYONE does it....
Its perfectly natural..and a great way to pass the time...

Some of us apparently have more time they need to pass.....but..moving on..

With all the evil deeds going on in the world....I would think any God with any sort of wisdom...could care less if you flog the dolphin occasionally.

Perhaps, if the Catholic Church advocated masturbation to its priesthood..there might be less cases of altar-boy buggery...?

Maybe if Rome said...."hey....instead of breeding like rabbits, and subjecting yourselves to abject poverty....you could pound one off, and call it a day?"

Makes sense to me.....

"It is far better to spill thy seed in the belly of a whore, than upon the ground."

Whats this supposed to mean?

What is it condoning?

Seriously people......anyone who says they dont....is a lair.
We all do it....often.
So whats to be ashamed about?Maybe we should all hail the all knowing BackwoodsSquatches. How do you have the ability to speak for all mankind? The liar is the one who says all people masturbate.

EVERYBODY SING!

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.....when your sperm gets wasted..God Gets so Irate......"

Heh.

Seriously....

Anyone, religious, or not......who says that they dont masturbate.....

IS A FREAKING LIAR.

EVERYONE does it....
Its perfectly natural..and a great way to pass the time...

Some of us apparently have more time they need to pass.....but..moving on..

With all the evil deeds going on in the world....I would think any God with any sort of wisdom...could care less if you flog the dolphin occasionally.

Perhaps, if the Catholic Church advocated masturbation to its priesthood..there might be less cases of altar-boy buggery...?

Maybe if Rome said...."hey....instead of breeding like rabbits, and subjecting yourselves to abject poverty....you could pound one off, and call it a day?"

Makes sense to me.....

"It is far better to spill thy seed in the belly of a whore, than upon the ground."

Whats this supposed to mean?

What is it condoning?

Seriously people......anyone who says they dont....is a lair.
We all do it....often.
So whats to be ashamed about?Maybe we should all hail the all knowing BackwoodsSquatches. How do you have the ability to speak for all mankind? The liar is the one who says all people masturbate.

I speak for biology freind.
You have the required parts....you too, get the required urges.
All knowing?
Me?
Hardly....
Gifted with wisdom beyond my years?
Indeed, or so im told.
God gave you those parts for a reason buddy, thats why you get those impulses......relieving them, is no big deal.
You are human, therefore, you masturbate...dont worry about it...so do I.

Hmmm...Just what am I admitting to by relating that I've not once experienced a wet dream in my decades of life? :wink:Could be that masturbation is a volutary action that doesn't require the human body to react.Naw--I still think it's because Garaj is a female. :lol:

Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.Strange that you would be baffled by someone following a 2000 year old book, when the wiccan faith claims to predate Christianity. And the books involved are just as man-made.

That's just it: Wiccan faiths don't HAVE spiritual literature. The point of the religion is to revere nature and the divine powers through various festivals and rituals that have been passed down as traditions throughout the ages, many of which Christianity have overtaken (Easter and Christmas, for example, are largely constituted of Pagan festival traditions). There is no written set of rules to follow, just guidelines. Every practitioner is free to act his or her faith out in whatever way that suits them.Is that why the "Storyteller" store, on Main street, in Greensburg, IN has 15 different books on how to follow the Wiccan Faith? That many books and everyone is free to do as they wish? Who wrote all these books?

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.In all fairness, Jay, you have to admit that an innate part of forgiveness is guilt. Without guilt, there's no repentance, and without repentance, there's no forgiveness. They all have to work together.Wrong. You have sin, repentance, and forgiveness. A person can sin, without knowing they have done so, repent of unkown sin, and be forgiven. Without feeling any guilt.

Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.Strange that you would be baffled by someone following a 2000 year old book, when the wiccan faith claims to predate Christianity. And the books involved are just as man-made.

That's just it: Wiccan faiths don't HAVE spiritual literature. The point of the religion is to revere nature and the divine powers through various festivals and rituals that have been passed down as traditions throughout the ages, many of which Christianity have overtaken (Easter and Christmas, for example, are largely constituted of Pagan festival traditions). There is no written set of rules to follow, just guidelines. Every practitioner is free to act his or her faith out in whatever way that suits them.Is that why the "Storyteller" store, on Main street, in Greensburg, IN has 15 different books on how to follow the Wiccan Faith? That many books and everyone is free to do as they wish? Who wrote all these books?

You answered your own question. The fact that their are so many books just goes to show how many ways there are to follow the faith. Wiccan tradition basics were originally taught when one joins a Circle, but many people don't have this option, or don't feel comfortable in such a situation. Thanks to the abundant literature a new practitioner can choose a style that he or she likes. Most of the books teach the same basics, but vary greatly on ways to celebrate and hold ritual. Once they have something to work with they can evolve the practice into something that becomes their very own. I myself follow an ecclectic path with partly my own ideas and partly ideas from three or four different books.

I love the fact that I can remind you guys to stay on topic....that means masturbation.

Ahhhh..irony....

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.

I think its the whole.."you are personally responsible for the suffering of Christ" thing....

or the "women carrying the original sin of Eve thing"I believe Christ die for the forgiveness of sin. I do not feel personally responsible for this. I only feel a benefactor of this act of passion for all mankind. As for the women suffering in pain at childbirth, that was God's choice. Who am I to say he is wrong?

I love the fact that I can remind you guys to stay on topic....that means masturbation.

Ahhhh..irony....

Sorry, I digress. :oops: My point is that everyone should do what comes naturally to themselves, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. More people should try to think for themselves instead of blindly following the words of others.

Liar.

Very impressive, four simple letters and you were able to show your intelligence and get yourself ignored for the rest of the thread.

If using unnecessary guilt as an instrument of coercion and torture isn't a sin, it sure oughta be.I don't understand where this guilt thing comes in. My faith is all about forgiveness. Maybe it is in one of the other religions you talked about.In all fairness, Jay, you have to admit that an innate part of forgiveness is guilt. Without guilt, there's no repentance, and without repentance, there's no forgiveness. They all have to work together.Wrong. You have sin, repentance, and forgiveness. A person can sin, without knowing they have done so, repent of unkown sin, and be forgiven. Without feeling any guilt.I disagree--guilt is still a factor, because even if you aren't aware of the sin (unlikely, but I'll play along), you still know, under the concept of original sin that you are unworthy of God's grace and must repent. Therefore, subconsciously at least, you are aware of your guilt.

Liar.

Very impressive, four simple letters and you were able to show your intelligence and get yourself ignored for the rest of the thread.

Ignore me if you want to..you know Im right.

You have human impulses just like the rest of us....why on earth would you try to deny that?

Whats so terrible about masturbation that you would pretend not to do it?
Is it really so "dirty"?
Is it really so "shameful"?

Hardly.....

And in fairness to Jay, from my experiences it is the Catholic church that stresses guild the most. Jay said that the United Methodist church is about forgiveness. I'm Episcopalian and we like to celebrate and rejoice a lot. Nobody throws a parade (procession) like Episcopals ^_^Know the Episcopal faith as well. That is the church I was brought up going to.

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.May be true in some cases. Not in all cases. Never had a wet dream. Never wish to. Never masturbate.

In a word: Bullshit.Aw, too bad, it took you eight letters. Squatch beat you.

I love the fact that I can remind you guys to stay on topic....that means masturbation.

Ahhhh..irony....

You know, I never thought the day would come when I saw someone exhorting people to keep an NS thread on the topic of masturbation.

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Once again I am baffled by how anyone would willingly allow a 2000-year old over-translated dubious MAN-MADE book dictate how they live their lives.

I'm religious of the Wiccan faith, and the answer to this thread's question is yes. Sex in any form (alone or between consenting adults) is held in high regard and should not be suppressed.Strange that you would be baffled by someone following a 2000 year old book, when the wiccan faith claims to predate Christianity. And the books involved are just as man-made.

That's just it: Wiccan faiths don't HAVE spiritual literature. The point of the religion is to revere nature and the divine powers through various festivals and rituals that have been passed down as traditions throughout the ages, many of which Christianity have overtaken (Easter and Christmas, for example, are largely constituted of Pagan festival traditions). There is no written set of rules to follow, just guidelines. Every practitioner is free to act his or her faith out in whatever way that suits them.Is that why the "Storyteller" store, on Main street, in Greensburg, IN has 15 different books on how to follow the Wiccan Faith? That many books and everyone is free to do as they wish? Who wrote all these books?

You answered your own question. The fact that their are so many books just goes to show how many ways there are to follow the faith. Wiccan tradition basics were originally taught when one joins a Circle, but many people don't have this option, or don't feel comfortable in such a situation. Thanks to the abundant literature a new practitioner can choose a style that he or she likes. Most of the books teach the same basics, but vary greatly on ways to celebrate and hold ritual. Once they have something to work with they can evolve the practice into something that becomes their very own. I myself follow an ecclectic path with partly my own ideas and partly ideas from three or four different books.So you have not reached the level of being able to preform spells and curses yet. They are all from books. Any way that is off topic so it doesn't matter.

I disagree--guilt is still a factor, because even if you aren't aware of the sin (unlikely, but I'll play along), you still know, under the concept of original sin that you are unworthy of God's grace and must repent. Therefore, subconsciously at least, you are aware of your guilt.You show a misunderstanding of my faith. Yes I am unworthy of God's grace, but that is because I am only mortal (a lesser being by far). Must repent is a misleading term. For some repentance is an admission of guilt. For us it is only asking for forgiveness of sin (known or unknown). There is no guilt. For if there were guilt then the next step would be remorse. When a person is forgiven, they make a promise to God to try to not repeat the sin (if it is known).

So you have not reached the level of being able to preform spells and curses yet. They are all from books. Any way that is off topic so it doesn't matter.

Now who's being ignorant? Try to have at least the slightest inkling of what you're talking about before you say something. :?

So you have not reached the level of being able to preform spells and curses yet. They are all from books. Any way that is off topic so it doesn't matter.

Now who's being ignorant? Try to have at least the slightest inkling of what you're talking about before you say something. :?Are you trying to tell me that I have been intentionally mislead by the owner of the store, my best friend's daughter, and one of my nieces? They are all practicing the Wiccan faith and have all given me the exact same information. They don't know each other. Why is it hard to admit that spells and curses are part of the Wiccan (witchcraft) faith?

Answer if you wish, but I am going to bed for the night. I will check this thread tomorrow.

I disagree--guilt is still a factor, because even if you aren't aware of the sin (unlikely, but I'll play along), you still know, under the concept of original sin that you are unworthy of God's grace and must repent. Therefore, subconsciously at least, you are aware of your guilt.You show a misunderstanding of my faith. Yes I am unworthy of God's grace, but that is because I am only mortal (a lesser being by far). Must repent is a misleading term. For some repentance is an admission of guilt. For us it is only asking for forgiveness of sin (known or unknown). There is no guilt. For if there were guilt then the next step would be remorse. When a person is forgiven, they make a promise to God to try to not repeat the sin (if it is known).So why would you repent if you feel no guilt for what you've done, even if it was inadvertent or unknowing? Perhaps what we're missing here is a matter of specificity--for me, repentance and guilt are inextricably linked because repentance without acknowledging the guilt and the sin is useless. Do you mean to say that repentance can be, in some cases, merely a rote apology? I guess what I'm really asking is, without an acknowledgment of guilt, isn't the repentance meaningless?

Do religious people masturbate?

This question can be answered by the responses to other bodily functions:

Do religious people take a piss?

Do religious people crap?

See a pattern?Nope, you are comparing voluntary action to involutary actions.

You can choose when and where to take a piss. If you choose not to, you wet yourself.

You can choose when and where to take a dump. If you choose not to, you shit yourself.

You can choose when and where to masturbate. If you choose not to, you wake up with white stains on the sheets.

Try again.May be true in some cases. Not in all cases. Never had a wet dream. Never wish to. Never masturbate.

In a word: Bullshit.Aw, too bad, it took you eight letters. Squatch beat you.

I was going for style. In any case, you may as well claim you've been holding on ever since you learned conscious control over your bladder. It's so unlikely to true it's just not worth considering.

We're grown people, it's okay, you can tell us. No need to lie.

So you have not reached the level of being able to preform spells and curses yet. They are all from books. Any way that is off topic so it doesn't matter.

Now who's being ignorant? Try to have at least the slightest inkling of what you're talking about before you say something. :?Are you trying to tell me that I have been intentionally mislead by the owner of the store, my best friend's daughter, and one of my nieces? They are all practicing the Wiccan faith and have all given me the exact same information. They don't know each other. Why is it hard to admit that spells and curses are part of the Wiccan (witchcraft) faith?

Answer if you wish, but I am going to bed for the night. I will check this thread tomorrow.

Spells, yes. But curses... the core of the faith is to harm none. Why would anyone use a curse against someone?

But now I'm off-topic again. I think I'll quit this discussion for now, too.

The story of Onan in Genesis was used for years as an example of the evils of masturbation. Now i seems it was more about the injustice of not giving children to the widow of your deceased brother because you've neglected your socal duty and leaving her without a family for her old age.

These days it probaly depends on what else isgoing on in your life. If you masturbae to spite your lover and deprive her/him of pleasure, that's bad. If it's an available alternative to cheating or having an affair, that's good.

So... do religious people in a loving relationship not mutually masturbate? I see no reason why not. What difference does it make if it's performed by hand, mouth or other?

A Japanese doctor has developed the masturbation diet (for men). It's brilliantly encapsulated in the slogan:

"A shake for breakfast, a shake for lunchand a proper meal for tea."

Ahem. Seriously though - is the sin in the use of a non-sexual appendage to perform the act?

You know, I never thought the day would come when I saw someone exhorting people to keep an NS thread on the topic of masturbation.

Ain't it magic?

Is it just me or does the Red Arrow sound like someone who can't find a partner and is blaming it on organized religion?

Could also be that organized religion does ask that it's members grow-up and stop doing childish things.

Sexual tension can and should be released by (now prepare yourselves boys and girls) having sexual intercourse with a spouse.

not everyone has a wife/husband, and sometimes even if someone has a spouse, they might be away for extended periods of timeBad example again. If you are a Christian you are supposed to resist temptation, even if it is brought on by extended absence of a proper means of release.

i wont go into the entirety of wrongness that is 'temptation', but nature made us with urges, and people will follow themGod made us with will power and we don't have to act upon temptation/urges.

God also made sex feel good--so why would he give a gift to his creations then tell them they cant enjoy it?It is nice to see you admit that there is a God. He doesn't tell us we can't enjoy sex. You can enjoy all the sex you want with your spouse.

NO--Ill enjoy it with whoever I want to enjoy it with--Get religious fanatics out of our bedrooms--America isnt a theocracy

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superiorOnce again a lame attempt to highjack this thread into a political debate. What a shame to lower yourself to that level.

I was just addressing SDs CIA tactic of pretending to be a lefty while actively tryin to thwart the leftwing agenda

dare is say that Masturbating is good for the soul....i don't know how but it is. 8) I guess

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superiorOnce again a lame attempt to highjack this thread into a political debate. What a shame to lower yourself to that level.

I was just addressing SDs CIA tactic of pretending to be a lefty while actively tryin to thwart the leftwing agenda

Why not?

If non-religious people can do it, so can religious people.

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superiorOnce again a lame attempt to highjack this thread into a political debate. What a shame to lower yourself to that level.

I was just addressing SDs CIA tactic of pretending to be a lefty while actively tryin to thwart the leftwing agenda

I think most people would agree that you are the one who is more likely to be the one pretending to be a leftist when in fact making a fool of the left-wingers due to your political views swinging to the right. But I really do not care. I personally think you are a moron and that is that. I will not say otherwise because you are a "leftist" because frankly I do not care what you are. To me, you are a moron, simple as that.

Why not?

If non-religious people can do it, so can religious people.

and they do, but it still doesn't mean that it isn't a sin...but people sin every single day...

*pulls out big Hodini hat and puts it on, pulls out an envelope and sticks it to forehead*
too much time

*opens envelope and reads*
what the person who made this thread has.

*looks up with that blankly sarcastic funny face*

In the name of whatever you praise, do not listen to TRA. I am sure you already knew this, but I, as a staunch liberal socialist, wanted to give my support to all those who ignore TRA. Though he has made some funny comments in this thread when he was not acting like a stupid moron, just a perverted fool.

your clearly a deep cover spy for the rightwing cause all you do is attack the morally superiorOnce again a lame attempt to highjack this thread into a political debate. What a shame to lower yourself to that level.

I was just addressing SDs CIA tactic of pretending to be a lefty while actively tryin to thwart the leftwing agenda

I think most people would agree that you are the one who is more likely to be the one pretending to be a leftist when in fact making a fool of the left-wingers due to your political views swinging to the right. But I really do not care. I personally think you are a moron and that is that. I will not say otherwise because you are a "leftist" because frankly I do not care what you are. To me, you are a moron, simple as that.
why dont you go sodomize yourself with a crucifix?

Ouch..thats a little harsh..

Ive said it before...I'll say it again....

Anyone who says that they dont masturbate..is a liar.
Perhaps they have some sexual inhibitions, or due to religious dogma, they feel that they must be ashamed of it...but to deny that fact is a worse sin, i think.

You do it...

I do it...(often!)

We all do it.....anyone who says differently..is lying.

Jesus most certainly did it - on some days acheiving a second coming :wink:

You can enjoy all the sex you want with your spouse.

And, pray tell, does your God also approve of the more kinky forms of sex, or is the 'good' christian prohibited to move beyond the missionary position? Asking just for curiosities sake.

Ouch..thats a little harsh..

Ive said it before...I'll say it again....

Anyone who says that they dont masturbate..is a liar.
Perhaps they have some sexual inhibitions, or due to religious dogma, they feel that they must be ashamed of it...but to deny that fact is a worse sin, i think.

You do it...

I do it...(often!)

We all do it.....anyone who says differently..is lying.

You are wrong. My own gf didn't start masturbating till she was 23 years old. So if she had told you at the age of 22 that she didn't masturbate she wouldn't have been lying or been in denial, but plain simply been telling the truth. And no, in her case this was not because of sexual inhibitions or religious dogma, she simply held no interest in sex.

I wonders what it is that makes you uphold such a dogmatic viewpoint. Basically your line of reasoning is "Because I masturbate EVERYONE must masturbate." Which seems a little silly.

You don't happen to be a chronic masturbater, right? ;)

Ouch..thats a little harsh..

Ive said it before...I'll say it again....

Anyone who says that they dont masturbate..is a liar.
Perhaps they have some sexual inhibitions, or due to religious dogma, they feel that they must be ashamed of it...but to deny that fact is a worse sin, i think.

You do it...

I do it...(often!)

We all do it.....anyone who says differently..is lying.

You are wrong. My own gf didn't start masturbating till she was 23 years old. So if she had told you at the age of 22 that she didn't masturbate she wouldn't have been lying or been in denial, but plain simply been telling the truth. And no, in her case this was not because of sexual inhibitions or religious dogma, she simply held no interest in sex.

I wonders what it is that makes you uphold such a dogmatic viewpoint. Basically your line of reasoning is "Because I masturbate EVERYONE must masturbate." Which seems a little silly.

You don't happen to be a chronic masturbater, right? ;)

heh...

Chronic?

i dont think so....

I just have no shame in announcing to a forum that I masturbate....so freakin what?

So..about your girlfreind.....

She says she didnt masturbate before age 23 huh?

Right...

and you believed her?

Look..people have hormones.....and at puberty....them puppies go into overdrive...
Its simply human nature....
Its what ensures the survival of our species.....
You have those urges for a reason.so do I..so does your Gf....

You think maybe she told you that becuase she wanted you to feel "special"...if you know what I mean?

Huh?

I disagree--guilt is still a factor, because even if you aren't aware of the sin (unlikely, but I'll play along), you still know, under the concept of original sin that you are unworthy of God's grace and must repent. Therefore, subconsciously at least, you are aware of your guilt.You show a misunderstanding of my faith. Yes I am unworthy of God's grace, but that is because I am only mortal (a lesser being by far). Must repent is a misleading term. For some repentance is an admission of guilt. For us it is only asking for forgiveness of sin (known or unknown). There is no guilt. For if there were guilt then the next step would be remorse. When a person is forgiven, they make a promise to God to try to not repeat the sin (if it is known).So why would you repent if you feel no guilt for what you've done, even if it was inadvertent or unknowing? Perhaps what we're missing here is a matter of specificity--for me, repentance and guilt are inextricably linked because repentance without acknowledging the guilt and the sin is useless. Do you mean to say that repentance can be, in some cases, merely a rote apology? I guess what I'm really asking is, without an acknowledgment of guilt, isn't the repentance meaningless?Have you ever said I am sorry to someone, without knowing what you were supposed to be sorry for? It is kind of like that. I feel no guilt, for sins I have committed without knowledge. I ask for forgiveness, of unknown sin, because the bible says to be forgiven of sin a person must ask. Again no guilt association. I also ask for forgiveness of my wife's sins. That one should show that no guilt is needed. The bible says that a wife can be saved through the husband. Does the wife have to feel guilt? No.

Spells, yes. But curses... the core of the faith is to harm none. Why would anyone use a curse against someone?

But now I'm off-topic again. I think I'll quit this discussion for now, too.Curses as well, from what I have been told. The thing with a curse is if you are going to use one on someone expect it to come back on you threefold. As is the result of doing anything to someone else, according to the Wiccan belief, from what I know of it.

heh...

Chronic?

i dont think so....

I just have no shame in announcing to a forum that I masturbate....so freakin what?

Relax, It was a joke... No need to take it so seriously.



So..about your girlfreind.....

She says she didnt masturbate before age 23 huh?

Right...

and you believed her?

If you would know my gf than you would know she'd rather bite off her tongue than lie to me. Or maybe now you think "Because I lie to my bf/gf all bf's/gf's lie to their bf/gf!!"?... Believe me, not everyone is corrupt/a liar like that. :)



Look..people have hormones.....and at puberty....them puppies go into overdrive...
Its simply human nature....
Its what ensures the survival of our species.....
You have those urges for a reason.so do I..so does your Gf....

It seems you want to cling to your pet theory that everyone must be a masturbator no matter what. Again, I wonder why you cling to your own dogmatic viewpoint. It makes you appear as very unreasonable when you discard those who claim not to masturbate as all being liars. It also makes any further discussion meaningless. Its like talking to a Bush...


You think maybe she told you that becuase she wanted you to feel "special"...if you know what I mean?

Huh?

No, I do not know what you mean. Please ellaborate.

To clarify.....

There was no hostile intention from me.....perhaps you read my post innacurately or maybe my words migt have displayed some..but there was none...
I simply am ashamed of nothing regarding masturbation, and find the premise of being so, rather silly.
Thias does not mean that becuase I feel this way, that therefore, all people must masturbate...

Its simply that I personally, have never met anyone, who has never masturbated...some try to deny it....but when you look them in the eyes...they show the tell-take sihns of embarrasement, or cannot make eye contact etc......in short.....of course they do....they just are embarrrassed to admit it.

Sex, and sexuality can be wierd things, and some people have trouble expressing it...
No biggie..but to me, the greater tragedy is not admiting to yourself that you have these urges, and occasionally act upon them.

I think maybe you might have a warped sense of who your girlfreind is...
Im not saying shes a liar, or anything, but I find it nearly impossible that shes never once lied to you, or misled the truth...
People do that all the time as well...

As for the last part......thias may get personal, forgive me...but you DID ask...

Have you considered that maybe your gf only SAID she'd never masturbated to maybe, make you feel like you were the first one to experience anything remotely like that with her before?

Girls that care about their guys and want to make them feel good about themselves, or at least, stroke their egoes often do that.....

Jesus most certainly did it - on some days acheiving a second coming :wink:

Ooh, you're going to hell for that one! :lol:

Should I save you a seat?

Ouch..thats a little harsh..

Ive said it before...I'll say it again....

Anyone who says that they dont masturbate..is a liar.
Perhaps they have some sexual inhibitions, or due to religious dogma, they feel that they must be ashamed of it...but to deny that fact is a worse sin, i think.

You do it...

I do it...(often!)

We all do it.....anyone who says differently..is lying.
well, i don't and I'm not lying. So, there goes that theory.

Yes.

Religiously.

:)

Jim

The story of Onan in Genesis was used for years as an example of the evils of masturbation. Now i seems it was more about the injustice of not giving children to the widow of your deceased brother because you've neglected your socal duty and leaving her without a family for her old age.According to the Old Testament and the customs at the time, a man was to take the widow, of his brother, and give her children, if she had none. These children were considered to be the offspring of the dead brother. The children, of the time, cared for the elderly of the family. A woman without children would die very young. Kind of like social security of the time.

These days it probaly depends on what else isgoing on in your life. If you masturbae to spite your lover and deprive her/him of pleasure, that's bad. If it's an available alternative to cheating or having an affair, that's good.In our current time, the spilling of seed on the ground, is a term not generally used. The term for masturbation is wasting of the seed. The bible even goes as far as to say it is better to use a prostitute than to spill the seed on the ground. This is because the seed still has a chance to fulfill it's intended purpose, and not to waste a gift from God. In my opinion, this is the same as God saying he would not be pleased by masturbation. I try to lead a life that is pleasing to God. So for me masturbation it totally out of the question.

lol.. where the fuck do you people come up with questions like that?! Fuckin' weird ass people.

So... do religious people in a loving relationship not mutually masturbate? I see no reason why not. What difference does it make if it's performed by hand, mouth or other?

A Japanese doctor has developed the masturbation diet (for men). It's brilliantly encapsulated in the slogan:

"A shake for breakfast, a shake for lunchand a proper meal for tea."

Ahem. Seriously though - is the sin in the use of a non-sexual appendage to perform the act?Oral, anal, and masbutory sex is all wasting the seed.

NO--Ill enjoy it with whoever I want to enjoy it with--Get religious fanatics out of our bedrooms--America isnt a theocracyOh yeah, liberals keep forgetting so they need to be reminded often.
One nation under God

Why not?

If non-religious people can do it, so can religious people.Couldn't agree more. As long as your religion doesn't include following the bible.

Why not?

If non-religious people can do it, so can religious people.Couldn't agree more. As long as your religion doesn't include following the bible.

You really need to get over yourself.

NO--Ill enjoy it with whoever I want to enjoy it with--Get religious fanatics out of our bedrooms--America isnt a theocracyOh yeah, liberals keep forgetting so they need to be reminded often.
One nation

Indivisible

And without the God part--that's how it was written originally. And considering it's not part of the Constitution--you know, that little document that forms the basis for the country, I don't think thepledge stands for everyone in the country.

why dont you go s******* yourself with a crucifix?
Watch it Red, you are getting awfully close to being offensive. Good way to get deted.

So... do religious people in a loving relationship not mutually masturbate? I see no reason why not. What difference does it make if it's performed by hand, mouth or other?

A Japanese doctor has developed the masturbation diet (for men). It's brilliantly encapsulated in the slogan:

"A shake for breakfast, a shake for lunchand a proper meal for tea."

Ahem. Seriously though - is the sin in the use of a non-sexual appendage to perform the act?Oral, anal, and masbutory sex is all wasting the seed.

Because you clearly have millions of children every time you have sex.

You can enjoy all the sex you want with your spouse.

And, pray tell, does your God also approve of the more kinky forms of sex, or is the 'good' christian prohibited to move beyond the missionary position? Asking just for curiosities sake.As long as it doesn't involve the wasting of seed, it is to be enjoyed.

What I am waiting for is special. Until then, take a guess.

And I am a religious man.

Jim

In our current time, the spilling of seed on the ground, is a term not generally used. The term for masturbation is wasting of the seed. The bible even goes as far as to say it is better to use a prostitute than to spill the seed on the ground. This is because the seed still has a chance to fulfill it's intended purpose, and not to waste a gift from God. In my opinion, this is the same as God saying he would not be pleased by masturbation. I try to lead a life that is pleasing to God. So for me masturbation it totally out of the question.

But by that logic using a condom is wrong also...

What about if you ejaculate inside the woman but you pull out as you're still coming? Is that wasting half the seed? She could still just as easily get pregnant.

NO--Ill enjoy it with whoever I want to enjoy it with--Get religious fanatics out of our bedrooms--America isnt a theocracyOh yeah, liberals keep forgetting so they need to be reminded often.
One nation

Indivisible

And without the God part--that's how it was written originally. And considering it's not part of the Constitution--you know, that little document that forms the basis for the country, I don't think thepledge stands for everyone in the country.Yes it was originally omitted, then someone saw the mistake and fixed it. Been that way every since and should always remain. No the pledge doesn't stand for everyone, just the ones who belong here.

I simply am ashamed of nothing regarding masturbation, and find the premise of being so, rather silly.

I agree. Masturbation is simply an aspect of most people's life, mine too, and to feel ashamed about it is rather silly.

Thias does not mean that becuase I feel this way, that therefore, all people must masturbate...

I'm glad to hear that as that was the impression I got.

Its simply that I personally, have never met anyone, who has never masturbated...some try to deny it....but when you look them in the eyes...they show the tell-take sihns of embarrasement, or cannot make eye contact etc......in short.....of course they do....they just are embarrrassed to admit it.

I've only met two thus far. Other than that I have the same experience; a lot of denial, lies. Its funny and tragic at the same time how easily humans, arguably all gifted with the ability to be reasonable beings, feel embarrased by anything that has to do with their own sexual activities. I suspect its part of our centuries old religious tradition to look upon anything related to sex as something to be ashamed about, and most certainly not to be talked about.


I think maybe you might have a warped sense of who your girlfreind is...
Im not saying shes a liar, or anything, but I find it nearly impossible that shes never once lied to you, or misled the truth...
People do that all the time as well...

You are right in that lies are too a simple aspect of life, very much like masturbation is. But I never said that she has never lied to me. :) Just that she would rather bite off her tongue than lie to me, which is, of course, an expression to indicate how much she hates lying, not just to me but to anyone. The thing is that I noticed that she always ends up telling the truth not long after having told a lie. And the worst lie she told me thus far was that she was going to bed... and instead stayed up to watch tv... And knowing her she would undoubtedly have come clean if her claim of never having masturbated before the age of 23 was untrue. Again, this is an opinion that is based on my experience with her. Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but I doubt it as all my experiences with her indicate otherwise.

As for the last part......thias may get personal, forgive me...but you DID ask...

Have you considered that maybe your gf only SAID she'd never masturbated to maybe, make you feel like you were the first one to experience anything remotely like that with her before?

Girls that care about their guys and want to make them feel good about themselves, or at least, stroke their egoes often do that.....

Stroking my ego is really THE LAST THING my Gf would indulge in. :D Its the one thing that we both hate with a passion.

BackwoodsSquatches, something that might be useful for you to know is that my gf was not raised as a westerner. I say this because, as you may know, Westerners often work with a set of ethics that are very corrupt. Instead my gf was born and raised in Ecuador, the daughter of a chinese father who fled from Mao's regime, and a mother from Peru who is part indian and part chinese, and grew up under very poor circumstances, seeing people die as a consequence of the poverty that is so characteristic of Ecuador. Only later, at the age of 19, did she move to the USA, after her dad finally made some serious money, to continue her study. Right now she has nothing good to say about the USA. Mainy because its a place where nearly everything is fake. A place where the people indulge on a grand scale in empty poses. A place where lies are common good. This is, of course, the same with all Westernised countries. The benefit of growing up in extreme poverty is that it puts things into perspective. If you have to worry about whether or not you will get enough food in your stomach today than there is simply no time left for 'ego stroking' by promoting petty, immature lies. Hence, the circumstances of her life made her develop into a very honest woman who simply will not play the game of 'ego stroking' that most westerners indulge in, whether it be on a parttime or fulltime basis.

No the pledge doesn't stand for everyone, just the ones who belong here.

What, Native Americans you mean?

In our current time, the spilling of seed on the ground, is a term not generally used. The term for masturbation is wasting of the seed. The bible even goes as far as to say it is better to use a prostitute than to spill the seed on the ground. This is because the seed still has a chance to fulfill it's intended purpose, and not to waste a gift from God. In my opinion, this is the same as God saying he would not be pleased by masturbation. I try to lead a life that is pleasing to God. So for me masturbation it totally out of the question.

But by that logic using a condom is wrong also...Sperm has the possibility of passing through or going around a condom. So there is a chance for it to fulfill it's intended purpose.

Children should be treasured, not just spilled. Until the time is right a couple should use any means at their disposal to prevent children. An unwanted childe is not just a burden on society, but, ultimately a hurt and crying childe.

Abuse takes many forms.

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Children should be treasured, not just spilled. Until the time is right a couple should use any means at their disposal to prevent children. An unwanted childe is not just a burden on society, but, ultimately a hurt and crying childe.

Abuse takes many forms.

:twisted:



Ave Satanis!
Rege Satanis!
Hail Satan!

Big Jim P!
SC!

http://www.magickalshadow.com/daca/

http://www.shelterfordarkness.com/dadv/index.html

What about if you ejaculate inside the woman but you pull out as you're still coming? Is that wasting half the seed? She could still just as easily get pregnant.In my opinion yes. Why would anyone want to do such a thing is beyond me though.

No the pledge doesn't stand for everyone, just the ones who belong here.Just what the hell are you trying you say, punk? Go ahead--spout your idiocy and bigotry for the world to see and hear. Tell us exactly who doesn't belong here. Atheists? What about if people don't serve your God? Assuming you're "Christian," that gets rid of Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and the myriad other small non-christian religions. Anyone else you want to chuck out while you're determining, with your tiny little mind, who deserves to be in the US? Don't be shy--bring it.

Well if you're not using a condom then most of it pours back out anyway. I'm confused, your "logic" is confusing.

You can enjoy all the sex you want with your spouse.

And, pray tell, does your God also approve of the more kinky forms of sex, or is the 'good' christian prohibited to move beyond the missionary position? Asking just for curiosities sake.As long as it doesn't involve the wasting of seed, it is to be enjoyed.

This means that sex between a married couple is only frowned upon/a sin if the couple has recreational sex, right? Meaning that whenever a married couple has sex they should do so with the intent to procreate. :shock: Meaning that they can only have sex during the wife's fertile period, right? Only when she's ovulating. And when they are having sex outside that period they are sinning just as much as the adulterer or the guy/gal who frequents prostitutes or the guy/gal who's spending some quality time with him/herself by masturbating, right?

I just wonder how many christians who claim to follow the rules of their faith actually live up to that rule.

Well, at least I'm glad to hear that kinky sex is still oki :)

No the pledge doesn't stand for everyone, just the ones who belong here.

What, Native Americans you mean?Go there if you must, but I am 1/4 Indian myself and I take no offense at statements like I just made.

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In terms of sin, all that sin really means is the willful defiance of the wishes of God.
M'self thinks that masturbation is to a lesser or greater degree a form of appreciation topped off with a short-term satisfaction. Not necessarily lust, as one can be thinking solely about how it feels to engage in some kind of genital appreciation, and thus be imagination-based. There are also cases of assisted masturbation that may not be lust-based, like befouling a once-beloved sock puppet or some leftover velvet from an X-mas stocking project - a great appreciation of tactile characteristics. And for many a chat room user out there, the sole sexual excitation of sharing whatever twisted fantasies you want with another (willing) individual or organization of consenting individuals often is satisfactorily appreciated by a string of ideas and letters on a screen and not much else than the imagination.
Then there's the case of doing so while one is sleeping ..... culpability?
As for the spilling of seed, who mourns the millions (billions?) of sperm absorbed by the testicular sac and muscle tissue (ouch) that fulfill no apparent function other than to reciprocate proteins and sugars? Those goodies going to waste, what a shame. As a functioning young and middle-aged adult it happens ALL THE TIME. Side note: flagellists could add the deliberate enticement and subsequent suffering of that blue condition to make further acute their point.

In our current time, the spilling of seed on the ground, is a term not generally used. The term for masturbation is wasting of the seed. The bible even goes as far as to say it is better to use a prostitute than to spill the seed on the ground. This is because the seed still has a chance to fulfill it's intended purpose, and not to waste a gift from God. In my opinion, this is the same as God saying he would not be pleased by masturbation. I try to lead a life that is pleasing to God. So for me masturbation it totally out of the question.

But by that logic using a condom is wrong also...Sperm has the possibility of passing through or going around a condom. So there is a chance for it to fulfill it's intended purpose.

Incorrect. Sperm cannot pass through an intact condom. If used properly, it has a 98% effectivity, which means that the tiny chance of pregnancy when using a condom is pretty much irrelevant.

Children should be treasured, not just spilled. Until the time is right a couple should use any means at their disposal to prevent children. An unwanted childe is not just a burden on society, but, ultimately a hurt and crying childe.

Abuse takes many forms.

:twisted:



Ave Satanis!
Rege Satanis!
Hail Satan!

Big Jim P!
SC!

http://www.magickalshadow.com/daca/

http://www.shelterfordarkness.com/dadv/index.htmlI have agreed with the use of condoms. I just don't chose to use them myself. My belief just sees spilling the seed as a sin.