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Yep, back again.

Not for long though, I will be disappearing again for a time. But I have a couple of things to say, resulting from what I have been doing in my absence, at the NMUN conference in New York, etc.

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

2) I was speaking to a senior Shell executive at another function (hehehe, I do get around, don't I?) and he said that the oil the Americans are pumping out of Iraq, at current prices, is finally generating a massive return on their war investment. He said that as long at they can keep control of the country, the revenue will easily exceed the expenditure. And the lives lost, tragic, but energy security is the highest goal of foreign policy. So it looks like the Americans have won, and now all they need to do is keep the boot firmly down.

He also said about long term energy perspectives that "there is no hope". But in the meantime, there is money to be made, a world to run, etc.

What an interesting world it is. This is nothing new really, but hearing it from those guys is most instructive. :)

Yep, back again.

Not for long though, I will be disappearing again for a time. But I have a couple of things to say, resulting from what I have been doing in my absence, at the NMUN conference in New York, etc.

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

2) I was speaking to a senior Shell executive at another function (hehehe, I do get around, don't I?) and he said that the oil the Americans are pumping out of Iraq, at current prices, is finally generating a massive return on their war investment. He said that as long at they can keep control of the country, the revenue will easily exceed the expenditure. And the lives lost, tragic, but energy security is the highest goal of foreign policy. So it looks like the Americans have won, and now all they need to do is keep the boot firmly down.

He also said about long term energy perspectives that "there is no hope". But in the meantime, there is money to be made, a world to run, etc.

What an interesting world it is. This is nothing new really, but hearing it from those guys is most instructive. :)

Last time I was in New York I had cheesecake at Lindy's. :P

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

International law is a joke and the UN is meaningless...

The US Constitution cleary states that Congress (Not the UN) decides when America will go to war... our laws do not recognize foreign superiority and never will...

Hello! Glad to see you are back. I was actually wondering where you had disappeared to. :D

Obviously the USA has gone to war.

As far as US law goes, legally.

As far as international law goes, illegally.

The moral implications of this discrepancy are debatable, but at the moment I really do not care. What I wish to point out is the fact itself. People of all political persuasions remain free to interpret the words above as they wish, as you have just done. But the facts themselves are indisputable. I just wished to state them again. :)

As far as US law goes, legally.


Actually, even this is debatable...

The American people were lied to by the whole Administration and the President's war rational changes every few months...

Even still, it is not to the UN to slap us on the wrist...

nah china should just bury the states in cheap manufacturing and india should steal all your services business...

The moral implications of this discrepancy are debatable

But how could anyone say it is not moral for a country to follow its own laws. Some of the time

Welcome back, was it sunny in NY.

But how could anyone say it is not moral for a country to follow its own laws. Some of the time
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Because the laws of man are foulable...

So then are the laws of the UN.

The US has nothing to complain about with regard to the UN and its conduct, since its wrist-slapping largely consisted of them saying "We really wish you wouldn't do that. Oh well. It's too late now." in a tired sort of voice. And that's it. But it is up to the UN to express its opinion on international affairs. That's the reason it exists. The US set it up, the US still runs it and provides it with the largest share of its funding for that very purpose. Occasionally it means accepting criticism, but since it comes in the form of very mild long-winded statements rather than actual action, it is rather touchy and futile to object to it.

So then are the laws of the UN.

Yeah, you're talking about an organization run by a Nazi war criminal for ten years...

Welcome back, was it sunny in NY.
No, very much like the UK - cool, cloudy, occasional brief splashes of rain.

Oh well, it's nice here in sunny General Forum.

I agree with the fact that the UN is under a lot of influence by the US, as the US tends to withhold money from ideas it does not like. It is interesting though that so many UN ideas seem to contradict the US.

There are more but one example, correct me if I am wrong, was George Bush senior coming to draws with the UN over an enviromental proposal that would have cost American jobs.

The UN is good in principle to advise, and in certain cases uphold human rights, however it can go too far.

Another thought, the UN is there, or so it says in the Charter (One which I am not an expert), to : -

to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

Surely by this, and other ideals of the UN the war was moral. Even though it was not by the letter of the UN it could be argued it was in the spirit of it.

Articles 42 and 51 clearly state the two conditions under which war is acceptable. The former, if the Security Council makes a decision to that effect, the latter, in retaliation if a country attacks another first. The spirit of the UN may be to further the state of humanity in general, but the specifics are considerably more limited. It is impossible to argue the legality of a war based on a stated principle, when confronted with detailed and specific clauses which counter it. It has however been frequently stated in British politics that international law can (and perhaps should) be rewritten through the establishment of sufficent precedent which for practical purposes would invalidate it as it stands. It is logical to conclude that the Iraq war would form one element of such a policy.

Here one is confronted with a dilemma - should nations break international law in order to pursue policies according to their own conscience, and then rewrite it to reflect the new reality?

Personally, I would have liked a lot more thought to have been given to it, given the potential scope for abuse. The doctrine of pre-emptive war for the benefit of humanity appeals not only to the ostensibly benevolent West, but to everyone else too. International law may not exactly be an absolute, but ambient morality certainly is not. I would hate to see the establishment of legal precedent which would enable expansionism to flourish in an atmosphere of moral rather than legal argument.

Articles 42 and 51 clearly state the two conditions under which war is acceptable. The former, if the Security Council makes a decision to that effect, the latter, in retaliation if a country attacks another first. The spirit of the UN may be to further the state of humanity in general, but the specifics are considerably more limited. It is impossible to argue the legality of a war based on a stated principle, when confronted with detailed and specific clauses which counter it. It has however been frequently stated in British politics that international law can (and perhaps should) be rewritten through the establishment of sufficent precedent which for practical purposes would invalidate it as it stands. It is logical to conclude that the Iraq war would form one element of such a policy.

Here one is confronted with a dilemma - should nations break international law in order to pursue policies according to their own conscience, and then rewrite it to reflect the new reality?

Personally, I would have liked a lot more thought to have been given to it, given the potential scope for abuse. The doctrine of pre-emptive war for the benefit of humanity appeals not only to the ostensibly benevolent West, but to everyone else too. International law may not exactly be an absolute, but ambient morality certainly is not. I would hate to see the establishment of legal precedent which would enable expansionism to flourish in an atmosphere of moral rather than legal argument.
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Hi. :)

Hi. :)

/me continues to worship the mighty FM

Bah. Flew across the ocean to my very own state and didn't even stop by for a chat. Too busy learning things of worldwide importance, I suppose. :roll:

Hrmph. Kids today.





(Welcome back.) :wink:

Welcome back TG.

I am very patriotic, but I always have thought that our Imperialistic war in Iraq was about Oil.

Not terrorism, not any threat, Not even about Bush Jr. following his Fathers footsteps.

Just about oil.



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1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

International law is a joke and the UN is meaningless...

The US Constitution cleary states that Congress (Not the UN) decides when America will go to war... our laws do not recognize foreign superiority and never will...

That's fine, but just remember, when push comes to shove, your US Constitution means sqwat outside of your own borders. It means nothing to the rest of us. Also it might do you some good to know that the US is most certainly signatory members to International law. So that DOES mean you're bound by them.

P.S. Welcome back Tactical :)

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

International law is a joke and the UN is meaningless...

The US Constitution cleary states that Congress (Not the UN) decides when America will go to war... our laws do not recognize foreign superiority and never will...

That's fine, but just remember, when push comes to shove, your US Constitution means sqwat outside of your own borders. It means nothing to the rest of us. Also it might do you some good to know that the US is most certainly signatory members to International law. So that DOES mean you're bound by them.

P.S. Welcome back Tactical :)

I always thought you were An American Steph.

You are right about us signing therefore being bound by International law. We Also seem to be "big brother" and the worlds police force. I do NOT think we should be fighting in the middle east Or anywhere. As an Old soldier, I do support the individuals, Our troops, who are doing a very nasty Job.

JIM

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

International law is a joke and the UN is meaningless...

The US Constitution cleary states that Congress (Not the UN) decides when America will go to war... our laws do not recognize foreign superiority and never will...

That's fine, but just remember, when push comes to shove, your US Constitution means sqwat outside of your own borders. It means nothing to the rest of us. Also it might do you some good to know that the US is most certainly signatory members to International law. So that DOES mean you're bound by them.

P.S. Welcome back Tactical :)

I always thought you were An American Steph.

You are right about us signing therefore being bound by International law. We Also seem to be "big brother" and the worlds police force. I do NOT think we should be fighting in the middle east Or anywhere. As an Old soldier, I do support the individuals, Our troops, who are doing a very nasty Job.

JIM

That's fair Jim and I can respect that. :)

I'm actually a Canadian :P

NY isn't too far from where I am. (Only like...5 hours away). You shoulda come and said hi, you bum! :P But noo...too busy I suppose. :lol:

Welcome back, Grace. Looking forward to having you back in the channel. :wink: :D

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

Wow! This is so cool. ^_^ it's nice to know that this side (the on who didn't want the war) might be right, even though we sound like babbling losers.

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

Actually Saddam had never tried to or has he ever committed "genocide" the UN did try to hold him accountable during the Iran/Iraq war for using WMD, but the United States VETO'd it.

As for the Kurds and the Shia, both those examples he targets innocent civilians, no argument, but he was putting down an uprising, not trying to commit genocide. Just for the record.

1) The war in Iraq was illegal under international law, according to a couple of actual senior diplomats who spoke there. Also under the UN Charter, which I have actually read, but it is nice to hear confirmation from real-life experts. Perhaps in our debates, this fact can finally be recognised as fact and not opinion, but that would be too rational, would it not?

International law is a joke and the UN is meaningless...

The US Constitution cleary states that Congress (Not the UN) decides when America will go to war... our laws do not recognize foreign superiority and never will...

That's fine, but just remember, when push comes to shove, your US Constitution means sqwat outside of your own borders. It means nothing to the rest of us. Also it might do you some good to know that the US is most certainly signatory members to International law. So that DOES mean you're bound by them.

P.S. Welcome back Tactical :)

I always thought you were An American Steph.

You are right about us signing therefore being bound by International law. We Also seem to be "big brother" and the worlds police force. I do NOT think we should be fighting in the middle east Or anywhere. As an Old soldier, I do support the individuals, Our troops, who are doing a very nasty Job.

JIM

That's fair Jim and I can respect that. :)

I'm actually a Canadian :P

Canadien? I will visit there eventually. I-35 terminates at Canada and I'm sure Continues up into Canada..

Jim

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim

He got you there :D

That's fine, but just remember, when push comes to shove, your US Constitution means sqwat outside of your own borders. It means nothing to the rest of us. Also it might do you some good to know that the US is most certainly signatory members to International law. So that DOES mean you're bound by them.

Maybe, but they certainly dont abide by the international courts decisions.

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When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim OK then by your definition we should of ignored Hitler as he was acting under HIS law and as we did not have any definiate proof of the Holocaust a pre-emptive war was wrong?
WAR IS JUSTIFIED WHEN IT PREVENTS GENOCIDE OF INNOCENT CIVILLANS.

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim OK then by your definition we should of ignored Hitler as he was acting under HIS law and as we did not have any definiate proof of the Holocaust a pre-emptive war was wrong?
WAR IS JUSTIFIED WHEN IT PREVENTS GENOCIDE OF INNOCENT CIVILLANS.

You only respond if attacted. Personally.

*exposes his puppet* this is how I will post **mostly** from now on,

Guess who.

Theres a real Myth out there amongts the, oh shall we say unenlightened, Such are yourself that World war two had something to do with preventing the Holocaust. Worldwar Two started because Germany had been expanding thei territory for a while and they finally invaded the wrong country who had freinds to come to its aid.

Then Later America Entered the war. Much Later. England Convinced The U.S that German propaganda was hinting that they wouldnt stop expanding till they took over everything and thus they were a threat the the Continental united states. Entering the war was a very controversial move, It wouldnt have happened without pearl habour. See back then America still was trying to convince themselves they were Isolationists despite the fact they had been meddling in the affairs of other countries for a hundered years prior.

And take your Argument to its logical conclusion and we should ignore all sovereignty and its every man for itself. Anyone can make some Excuse for a war (WMD for example, Or Past Crimes commited)

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim OK then by your definition we should of ignored Hitler as he was acting under HIS law and as we did not have any definiate proof of the Holocaust a pre-emptive war was wrong?
WAR IS JUSTIFIED WHEN IT PREVENTS GENOCIDE OF INNOCENT CIVILLANS.

Oh, there was a genocide going on in Iraq when the coalition of the willing started this crusade against the evil Iraq? Funny, I missed that. The oil is apparently starting to pay cover the costs of the war as TG stated, but here's what I was thinking about: Who paid for the war in the first place and who gains from the profits that are currently being pumped back?

Hey TG. Speaking of that oil thing could you get us some links?
I dont wanna sound like a fool when I Cite it.

Theres a real Myth out there amongts the, oh shall we say unenlightened, Such are yourself that World war two had something to do with preventing the Holocaust. Worldwar Two started because Germany had been expanding thei territory for a while and they finally invaded the wrong country who had freinds to come to its aid.

Then Later America Entered the war. Much Later. England Convinced The U.S that German propaganda was hinting that they wouldnt stop expanding till they took over everything and thus they were a threat the the Continental united states. Entering the war was a very controversial move, It wouldnt have happened without pearl habour. See back then America still was trying to convince themselves they were Isolationists despite the fact they had been meddling in the affairs of other countries for a hundered years prior.

And take your Argument to its logical conclusion and we should ignore all sovereignty and its every man for itself. Anyone can make some Excuse for a war (WMD for example, Or Past Crimes commited) You are only partially right. Helping the Jews was one of both Britains and Americas war aims. If Pear Harbour was the only reason the US got involved how come Roosvelt agreed with Churchill that Europe was to be the main theatre of war and Japan would be delt with latter. If the war was on oil how come it was Iraq not Kuait and other nations which have far more oil in.?

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim OK then by your definition we should of ignored Hitler as he was acting under HIS law and as we did not have any definiate proof of the Holocaust a pre-emptive war was wrong?
WAR IS JUSTIFIED WHEN IT PREVENTS GENOCIDE OF INNOCENT CIVILLANS.

Oh, there was a genocide going on in Iraq when the coalition of the willing started this crusade against the evil Iraq? Funny, I missed that. The oil is apparently starting to pay cover the costs of the war as TG stated, but here's what I was thinking about: Who paid for the war in the first place and who gains from the profits that are currently being pumped back? I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

When Saddam commited genocide was he acting under UN law?

No he was actually acting under the law of Iraq. I.E his law. When is a pre-emtive war Justified? When Is any war Justified?

The most peacefull Warrior:

Jim OK then by your definition we should of ignored Hitler as he was acting under HIS law and as we did not have any definiate proof of the Holocaust a pre-emptive war was wrong?
WAR IS JUSTIFIED WHEN IT PREVENTS GENOCIDE OF INNOCENT CIVILLANS.

Oh, there was a genocide going on in Iraq when the coalition of the willing started this crusade against the evil Iraq? Funny, I missed that. The oil is apparently starting to pay cover the costs of the war as TG stated, but here's what I was thinking about: Who paid for the war in the first place and who gains from the profits that are currently being pumped back? I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

Ummm was because Europe was the main threat a Japan wasnt?
The holocaust had nothing to do with it. And its not as if there wasnt fighting going on in the Pacific.

And im not quite sure what you mean by your other question But Did you fail to notice that After the Invasion The U.S pulled out of Saudi arabia.
Its because Kuwait and Saudi arabia and the like was no longer a stable place to hang out it.

So much for not giving in to terrorist threats. Because that was one of them

I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

Again Faulty logic. They were past crimes. By your logic we could invade Any country for any bad thing that happend in the past. Hey, why dont we combine all our arguements into one class action? Lets invade Germany for the Holocaust again!

I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

Again Faulty logic. They were past crimes. By your logic we could invade Any country for any bad thing that happend in the past. Hey, why dont we combine all our arguements into one class action? Lets invade Germany for the Holocaust again!

What NA said.

I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

Again Faulty logic. They were past crimes. By your logic we could invade Any country for any bad thing that happend in the past. Hey, why dont we combine all our arguements into one class action? Lets invade Germany for the Holocaust again! No we would only invade them if thee was a likely hood that they would commit attocies crimes in the future like Hitler was going to and like Saddam would have done. You don't stop killing over night. Just to claryfy this are you saying we shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany. Also if I kill someone though there is almost no chance I willl reofend I still get sent to prison for 20 years even though its a past crime. It seems you have totally missed the point.

I suppose the mass war graves that both the Allies and independent agencies are funding just made themselves?

Again Faulty logic. They were past crimes. By your logic we could invade Any country for any bad thing that happend in the past. Hey, why dont we combine all our arguements into one class action? Lets invade Germany for the Holocaust again! No we would only invade them if thee was a likely hood that they would commit attocies crimes in the future like Hitler was going to and like Saddam would have done. You don't stop killing over night. Just to claryfy this are you saying we shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany. Also if I kill someone though there is almost no chance I willl reofend I still get sent to prison for 20 years even though its a past crime. It seems you have totally missed the point.

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

What, like out to dinner & a movie? :P

Sorry, sorry!

*backs out of the thread before Steph attacks her* :wink:

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Watch out for Carnivore... that's the name of the FBI's illegal internet search program that searches for "threats" like the one you just said... the Patriot Act and Homland Security Dept. are completly fascist and might just come for you...

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Watch out for Carnivore... that's the name of the FBI's illegal internet search program that searches for "threats" like the one you just said... the Patriot Act and Homland Security Dept. are completly fascist and might just come for you...

I wish Bush would die!

You mean stuff like that? Good thing I'm a Canadian then huh :P

The interim Iraqi government is supposed to be inviting Shell and BP to step in and help with oil production once sovereignty is transferred.

I wonder if this is to quell compaints from two major non-US competitors.

I wish Bush would die!


I wish Bush would die!


I wish Bush would die!


I wish Bush would die!


I wish Bush would die!


well... I would agree, but then we would be left with Cheney!

I wish Bush would die!

well... I would agree, but then we would be left with Cheney!

Ack, you make a valid point. Okay.. any chance of them going down in a plane together? LOL :lol:

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Watch out for Carnivore... that's the name of the FBI's illegal internet search program that searches for "threats" like the one you just said... the Patriot Act and Homland Security Dept. are completly fascist and might just come for you...

I wish Bush would die!

You mean stuff like that? Good thing I'm a Canadian then huh :P
The words of the so called 'peace campaign'. I rest my case.

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Watch out for Carnivore... that's the name of the FBI's illegal internet search program that searches for "threats" like the one you just said... the Patriot Act and Homland Security Dept. are completly fascist and might just come for you...

I wish Bush would die!

You mean stuff like that? Good thing I'm a Canadian then huh :P
The words of the so called 'peace campaign'. I rest my case.

The words of some one with no sense of humor, I rest my case. :roll:

I wish Bush would die!


The words of the so called 'peace campaign'. I rest my case.

Is it wrong to call for the death of warmongering maniacs?

Yes because by doing it you bring yourself down to the level you are doing it for. Also you have almost certainly been picked up by a government computer.

Therefore we should take out Bush before he decides to start another illegal war.. :P

Watch out for Carnivore... that's the name of the FBI's illegal internet search program that searches for "threats" like the one you just said... the Patriot Act and Homland Security Dept. are completly fascist and might just come for you...

I wish Bush would die!

You mean stuff like that? Good thing I'm a Canadian then huh :P
The words of the so called 'peace campaign'. I rest my case.

The words of some one with no sense of humor, I rest my case. :roll:I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

I wonder if there is any chance of Kerry getting shot. Instead of Bush.

I know put Kerry in a George Bush costume and kill him, all appeased. :lol:

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Well at least you apoligised for not having a sense of humour, that's something at least. Now go out and get laid, you are WAY too wound up!

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Or they'll probably see it as completely harmless. :?

They're probably planning the same thing.

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Well at least you apoligised for not having a sense of humour, that's something at least. Now go out and get laid, you are WAY too wound up! I don't think your mum would be too happy, It would kind of be cheating on her. Now shes wound up if you know what I mean.

What's it like having sex with a woman with one tit? I've wanted to find out, but she won't let me shag her. :(

So the plan is to get Kerry,Bush and Cheney on a plane and "accidently" crash it? :D

Does that mean we should install Max as ruler of US?? 8)

Yep, it's good to be back.

Sorry Luna, I was in New York City the whole time, so New Jersey was a bit out of the way. But it's nice to hear from you again.

(New) Astrolia, I'm afrain the oil stuff I mention in my first posts came from a conversation I have with a Shell manager, so there is no link to which I could link you. But I figure if they stay there for years like they say, that's empirical evidence that it must be making money for someone.

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Or they'll probably see it as completely harmless. :?

They're probably planning the same thing.

Or they'll resolve her IP to [CENSORED - they don't need my help!] and realize that she's in Canada.

Oh, and welcome back TG! *waves hi*

Sorry Luna, I was in New York City the whole time, so New Jersey was a bit out of the way. But it's nice to hear from you again.

I guess that makes Pennsylvania even more out of the way. :|

LOL, they get so many Internet cranks anyway, they are not going to appreciate having their time wasted by some guy on a n00b forum. I am pretty sure the US security apparatus is more advanced than one which relies on tips from random Internet users complaining about others. Pitiful. :roll:

Isn't the NMUN the bestest thing in the world?

Isn't the NMUN the bestest thing in the world?
No, LIMUN is far better.

And shame about Congo and Uganda (Alma College and University of Wisconsin, respectively). If anyone from their delegations is reading this, you sad sad competitive bastards: it was not real. :roll:

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Duuuuude. He is totally gonna Denounce you to the Conservative Fashoin police. You should know that living in another country Wont render much protection. They can still try and get you extradited. Youd best flee to Neutral Sweeden or whatever at once!

So the plan is to get Kerry,Bush and Cheney on a plane and "accidently" crash it? :D

Does that mean we should install Max as ruler of US?? 8)

You'd all be sorry if Bush died, it would be one less person to complain about.

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Well at least you apoligised for not having a sense of humour, that's something at least. Now go out and get laid, you are WAY too wound up! I don't think your mum would be too happy, It would kind of be cheating on her. Now shes wound up if you know what I mean.

The Real HLF2, that just earned you a warning.. don't say stuff like that. Sheesh.

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So the plan is to get Kerry,Bush and Cheney on a plane and "accidently" crash it? :D

Does that mean we should install Max as ruler of US?? 8)

You'd all be sorry if Bush died, it would be one less person to complain about.

That is So True!

So the plan is to get Kerry,Bush and Cheney on a plane and "accidently" crash it? :D

Does that mean we should install Max as ruler of US?? 8)

You'd all be sorry if Bush died, it would be one less person to complain about.

That is So True!

*runs in*
*drops Bush campaign poster*
*runs out*

It would be interesting though, if Bush had never become President the people of Iraq may still be living under fear and torture.

Statistic (You may wish to check it)

Iraqi deaths under Saddam 0.08 Iraqis per second
Bush 0.006 per second

hmm

I am sorry I don't find thratening to kill the President of the United States of America funny. I doubt the CIA or the FBI will either. Comprende?

Well at least you apoligised for not having a sense of humour, that's something at least. Now go out and get laid, you are WAY too wound up! I don't think your mum would be too happy, It would kind of be cheating on her. Now shes wound up if you know what I mean.

The Real HLF2, that just earned you a warning.. don't say stuff like that. Sheesh.

Stephanie
Game Moderator Oh my god you have got some f-ucking problem. Stop picking on me or I am going to Violet. Look at the post at the top of the page or one on the last it is worse than what I said. He flaimbaited me. What the Fu-ck have I done to you, you delete the Real HLF and now you warn the Real HLF2. I swear you have something wrong with you get an eye test or a sense of justice.

I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch
Oh the bitch is back
Stone cold sober as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch
`Cause I'm better than you
It's the way that I move
The things that I do

I entertain by picking brains
Sell my soul by dropping names
I don't like those, my God, what's that
Oh it's full of nasty habits when the bitch gets back

So the plan is to get Kerry,Bush and Cheney on a plane and "accidently" crash it? :D

Does that mean we should install Max as ruler of US?? 8)

You'd all be sorry if Bush died, it would be one less person to complain about.

Oh don't you worry, there will come others. I'm sure there are a few people standing ready to pick up the baton :D


On another note, I don't think Steph would be safe here :twisted: :lol: . Seeing as i live in sweden, oh and good to see you Tactical Grease :D

I don't think your mum would be too happy, It would kind of be cheating on her. Now shes wound up if you know what I mean.
The Real HLF2, that just earned you a warning.. don't say stuff like that. Sheesh.

Stephanie
Game Moderator
Oh my god you have got some f-ucking problem. Stop picking on me or I am going to Violet. Look at the post at the top of the page or one on the last it is worse than what I said. He flaimbaited me. What the Fu-ck have I done to you, you delete the Real HLF and now you warn the Real HLF2. I swear you have something wrong with you get an eye test or a sense of justice.
Now you have flamed a Moderator. Dangerous ground indeed.

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Tactical Grace
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How did I flaim him. He flaimbaited me as he knew it would piss me of that everyone else was ignored and I was the only one warned.

I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch
Oh the bitch is back
Stone cold sober as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch
`Cause I'm better than you
It's the way that I move
The things that I do

I entertain by picking brains
Sell my soul by dropping names
I don't like those, my God, what's that
Oh it's full of nasty habits when the bitch gets back Flaimbait

How did I flaim him. He flaimbaited me as he knew it would piss me of that everyone else was ignored and I was the only one warned.

How did I flaim him. He flaimbaited me as he knew it would piss me of that everyone else was ignored and I was the only one warned.

How is suggesting that you get laid a flaim? I think we should all get laid more...