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Many attack Mormons, but Mormons don't

14-04-2004, 07:19
Why is it that so many people try so hard to disprove the ideals of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. People make it their mission in life to prove the religion false. A more close example is present right her on NS. People devote entire threads with the purpose of attacking Mormon belief and mocking Mormons. Its a sad reality. I don't know what it is. Do people feel threatened by the doctrine because it is so popular and it is the fastest growing church in the world so they are afraid it will take away from their membership. I can't figure out what it is. I start to wonder if maybe it is just hate. You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions. I don't understand this strane phenomenon.
Leplanderway
14-04-2004, 07:24
Well, I'll be damned if the Church of Latter-Day Saints commercial does'nt make mormons look like christians... maybe they should get that checked...
14-04-2004, 07:33
I guess I'm the only one that noticed.
Cannot think of a name
14-04-2004, 08:06
It might have something to do with all that going door to door or preaching the gospel at the drop of the damn hat that some mormons do. Or pasting articles of faith and such. And that some of the beliefs do seem silly even by christian standards.

They're no snake handlers, but snake handlers don't come to my house while I'm trying to watch the Simpsons...
BackwoodsSquatches
14-04-2004, 08:08
Trying to indoctrinate the dead into their cult is wrong.
14-04-2004, 08:08
I've never actually seen/been bothered by/been preached to by a Mormon before. I've seen one of their temples, but that's about it. Are they really out there knocking on doors in such numbers, or is this a misconception? I'm in Southern California, and I know there's a Mormon church near here, but I just haven't had to deal with any.
BackwoodsSquatches
14-04-2004, 08:09
They'll even try to appraoch you in a car....at a gas station....
Theyre vultures.
14-04-2004, 08:10
I respect the Mormon religion completely but the fact of the matter is they outlaw alchohol and coffee in the articles of faith... that just doesnt work for me. :!:
Cannot think of a name
14-04-2004, 08:11
They come in pairs wearing white shirts and black pants and a tie (sometimes nametags) riding bicycles. If you live in a crappy enough niehgborhood they're all over the place. Thanks to my lack of job skills, I've seen them every-frikkin'-where.

That and my hometown was riddled with 'em.
14-04-2004, 08:14
I respect the Mormon religion completely but the fact of the matter is they outlaw alchohol and coffee in the articles of faith... that just doesnt work for me. :!:

Hm.. I can't stand coffee... but I aint givin up the hooch. :wink:
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 08:22
You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions.

That's because they are disconcerned with the truth -- Christianity is the lone exception to the New Age Existentialist movement in the World Religions... Christians are still preaching hellfire and brimstone for disbelivers while all of the others are putting forth the message that all religions are equal and can co-exist; Chrisitainty won't sell out to relativism!
BackwoodsSquatches
14-04-2004, 08:25
Mormons care about no one and nothing excpet thier own.
This is why they dont care how many people they offend, or how many people are outraged at the baptising of the deceased.
If you arent one of them..they dont care.
However..they DO care about trying to recruit everyone......alive or not.
Rotovia
14-04-2004, 08:26
All religous groups are persecuted in society. Anytime you take a stand for your beliefs you will come against it. Momons are persecuted for the same reason Blacks, Jews or Prodestants are. Alternatively Atheists are persecuted also, it's the nature of the beast so to speak.
14-04-2004, 08:48
You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions.

That's because they are disconcerned with the truth -- Christianity is the lone exception to the New Age Existentialist movement in the World Religions... Christians are still preaching hellfire and brimstone for disbelivers while all of the others are putting forth the message that all religions are equal and can co-exist; Chrisitainty won't sell out to relativism!
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?
14-04-2004, 08:49
Mormons care about no one and nothing excpet thier own.
This is why they dont care how many people they offend, or how many people are outraged at the baptising of the deceased.
If you arent one of them..they dont care.
However..they DO care about trying to recruit everyone......alive or not.
I don't seem to like your attitude at all. This thread is aboiut *you* apparently.
Marak
14-04-2004, 08:53
y'know theres is such a thing as buh buh buh! Individauls! or oooh whats this? minorites and majorities! gasp!
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 09:03
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy Trinity
14-04-2004, 09:06
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy Trinity
yea, ...wah?
Incertonia
14-04-2004, 09:06
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy TrinityOh do shut up.
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 09:08
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy Trinity
yea, ...wah?


Trinity: the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three personalities in one God.
14-04-2004, 09:10
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy Trinity
yea, ...wah?


Trinity: the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three personalities in one God.
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.
Yes We Have No Bananas
14-04-2004, 09:17
It's the unwanted soliciting. If I wanted to be a Mormon I'd go out and find out about it myself. I think Mormon 'missonaries' or whatever you call them are as bad as cold callers.

Their beliefs seem pretty strange too, but hey, if they didn't go around telling everyone to believe them, we wouldn't critisis them.

Also, the fact most of them are foriegners (Americans) over here (Australia) dosen't help them either. Ever hear of the 'hash cookie' incident?
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 09:17
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
14-04-2004, 09:19
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.
Rotovia
14-04-2004, 09:21
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.He did not abolish the Ten Commandements though.
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 09:24
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.

You love someone by leading them to Christ, not by allowing them to fall victim to false teachings...
14-04-2004, 09:48
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.He did not abolish the Ten Commandements though.
that wasn't my point, you are simply trying to twist my intentions.
Smeagol-Gollum
14-04-2004, 10:06
It's the unwanted soliciting. If I wanted to be a Mormon I'd go out and find out about it myself. I think Mormon 'missonaries' or whatever you call them are as bad as cold callers.

Their beliefs seem pretty strange too, but hey, if they didn't go around telling everyone to believe them, we wouldn't critisis them.

Also, the fact most of them are foriegners (Americans) over here (Australia) dosen't help them either. Ever hear of the 'hash cookie' incident?

Crikey!
Share the "hash cookie incident" with them, mate.
Rotovia
14-04-2004, 10:09
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.He did not abolish the Ten Commandements though.
that wasn't my point, you are simply trying to twist my intentions. Well, it proves that of others. The Bible states there is only one God.
14-04-2004, 10:10
One God, One gospel, One church.
Smeagol-Gollum
14-04-2004, 10:12
One God, One gospel, One church.

Perhaps it could be the continuous repetition of your slogans that people eventually find annoying.
14-04-2004, 10:15
One God, One gospel, One church.

Perhaps it could be the continuous repetition of your slogans that people eventually find annoying.
say wha? I just made that up, have never said it before... but, hey wuteva
Myrth
14-04-2004, 10:16
Mormons seem to exist for the sole purpose of expanding their cult and indoctrinating new members.
Rotovia
14-04-2004, 10:17
Mormons seem to exist for the sole purpose of expanding their cult and indoctrinating new members.Isn't that the instruction Jesus gave to the Disciples?
Rotovia
14-04-2004, 10:18
One God, One gospel, One church.There is One Church. All other; Heracy.
Texastambul
14-04-2004, 12:00
One gospel,

funny, I seem to remember reading more...
Sdaeriji
14-04-2004, 12:14
Think about how you feel when you're sitting down to dinner, and you get a call from a telemarketer asking if you want to refinance your mortgage. It's annoying. Now imagine that that telemarketer actually came to your house at dinnertime, and instead of asking if you wanted to refinance your mortgage, he asked if you wanted to change your religion and join his. He'd go on and on about how his church is the right church, and how if you join now you can still enjoy salvation, when all you really wanted to enjoy was your meatloaf. Eventually he leaves, but since you're not a jerk, he leaves after talking your ear off for a half an hour, and now your dinner's cold and soggy. That's why I don't like Mormons. They ruin my meatloaf. They're worse than telemarketers because I can just hang up on a telemarketer in the middle of his rant and not feel bad, but I'm not enough of a jerk to slam the door close on a Mormon just because he's doing his job. That's just why I don't like Mormons.
Cromotar
14-04-2004, 13:08
It's always wrong to bash on someone's religion, but it's just as wrong to push your beliefs on others. Calling other faiths heresy and condemning people because they choose to live their lives a certain way is no way to make yourself popular. To each his own.
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 08:07
Calling other faiths heresy and condemning people because they choose to live their lives a certain way is no way to make yourself popular.

Sometimes the right thing to do isn't the popular thing to do...
Layarteb
15-04-2004, 08:09
The Catholic Church is very good at making things they don't like either disappear or become villified. Hell stuff that might prove them wrong or introduce some revolutionary idea to the faith of those who believe in Jesus Christ often gets lost or suppressed. Dead Sea Scrolls anyone?
Sozo
15-04-2004, 08:11
Mormons care about no one and nothing excpet thier own.
This is why they dont care how many people they offend, or how many people are outraged at the baptising of the deceased.
If you arent one of them..they dont care.
However..they DO care about trying to recruit everyone......alive or not.
I don't seem to like your attitude at all. This thread is aboiut *you* apparently.

sounds like the truth hurts!!
Sozo
15-04-2004, 08:13
read the Bible and ponder it thoroughly instead of just going by what your priest tells you God is and you will realize that it says that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are seperate beings, one in purpose.

The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...
yep, and Christ created even a higher law: Love thy neighbor as thy self. Are you loving me? Cuase, I get the feeling that you or only hating.

again doing at most mormons do...avoiding the subject at hand. But now you will probably give some general post like the rest of the mormons (more specifically Raysia) to some how justify your false beliefs
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 08:19
The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...


yep

There you have it! A mormon admiting that his false religion runs counter to Christianity!!
15-04-2004, 08:34
kind of off the subject i guess, but wutcha think bout this reference: St John 10:16 ?
Cromotar
15-04-2004, 09:09
Calling other faiths heresy and condemning people because they choose to live their lives a certain way is no way to make yourself popular.

Sometimes the right thing to do isn't the popular thing to do...

It's not "right", either. Everyone thinks their own religion is the "correct" one, and their partially right. It's correct for themselves, but perhaps not for others. It's up to everyone to find their own truths in life.
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 09:31
Did Mormon's sell out then, is that what you are trying to say?

A Mormon sells his soul-out everytime he preaches a false doctrine and spits in the face of God the Holy TrinityOh do shut up.

Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews
But that means he also hates Jesus
But that means he's an Anton Lavey Satanist

OMG KILL DA SATANZOR!
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 09:32
The first commandment clearly speaks to the fact that there is only ONE God...


yep

There you have it! A mormon admiting that his false religion runs counter to Christianity!!

The First Commandment was meant for the Hebrew Race and the Jewish religion.
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 09:36
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews


Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 09:41
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews


Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...

Jews, not Hebrews
Two different things here.

Jews don't believe in God the Trinity.
Which I am sure you know

So if a Rabbi preaches in a synogogue, perhaps about something in Kabal writings, which aren't included in Christianity (Necine Council), would that be considered false doctrine because they convienantly decided 1100 years ago that "Y'know what, we don't like this part of the religion that our messiah followed, so we're going to leave that out", and spit in the face of a Holy Trinity that they don't believe in?
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 09:41
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews


Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...

I'm sure they don't racially discriminate due to Equal Opportunity Laws in Effect.

That's silly.
Yes We Have No Bananas
15-04-2004, 09:47
Religious debate, sure fire way to get people pissed off. Who said religion dosen't cause wars? I'm glad I'm an athiest.

To get off the topic of eternal damnation, spitting in the face of god etc. I am going to share with you the 'hash cookie' incident, maybe it will lighten things up abit.

This is how it went; (remember, this is in Australia)

Two US mormons show up to a guys house and start giving their usual talk about god, salvation and all that other interesting stuff us non-believers love to hear so much about.

Being the friendly bloke that he is he invites these two yank mormons inside and offers them some cookies, which they accept.

The mormons continue with their 'mission' by going on about god etc. eating the cookies and probably think they're onto a winner with this bloke inviting them in and offering them something to eat.

After awhile these two mormons start to feel a little strange, a sensation they had never felt before, never having drunk or taken drugs before in their lives. Before too long these two guys are stoned off their t***s.

Turns out they had been given hash cookies.

I don't think mormons were going to be bothering that bloke ever again.

Well, I thought that whole story was funny as hell. It really happened, it was in the news over here and everything. I would have loved to have seen a national poll like "Do you agree with the actions of the man who feed hash cookies to those two American mormons?", most people (possibly all) I knew at the time would have answered yes.
15-04-2004, 09:48
Why is it that so many people try so hard to disprove the ideals of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. People make it their mission in life to prove the religion false. A more close example is present right her on NS. People devote entire threads with the purpose of attacking Mormon belief and mocking Mormons. Its a sad reality. I don't know what it is. Do people feel threatened by the doctrine because it is so popular and it is the fastest growing church in the world so they are afraid it will take away from their membership. I can't figure out what it is. I start to wonder if maybe it is just hate. You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions. I don't understand this strane phenomenon.

It's because of the "hate whitey" attitude of this society.
15-04-2004, 09:50
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews


Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...

That's why I like Mormons. :D
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 09:55
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews
But that means he also hates Jesus


Jews, not Hebrews
Two different things here.

Jews don't believe in God the Trinity.
Which I am sure you know



So, it is your opinion that Jesus is Jewish and thus he does not believe himself to be Christ?
15-04-2004, 09:56
One time, at college, someone knocked at the door and I opened, thinking it was one of my flatmates. I found myself facing two mormons. One of them said "Good morning. Could we speak with the man of the house?". After pondering a bit, I recalled that my flatmate Joe owed me money. So I told them "Yes, of course", and I cried "Joe, there are some people here who want to talk to you!"

A very pissed off Joe came to try to kill me after 20 mins of preaching.

Damn, that was great
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 09:58
So, it is your opinion that Jesus is Jewish and thus he does not believe himself to be Christ?

Yes and No
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 10:00
So, it is your opinion that Jesus is Jewish and thus he does not believe himself to be Christ?

Yes and No

Your earlier statments say otherwise...
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 10:03
Jesus was Jewish
He was Hebrew as well

Yeah, sure he had some of his own beliefs about him being the messiah
But every cult leader has got to deviate from his own religion to start his own sect

If he hadn't, he'd just have been a Rabbi
Texastambul
15-04-2004, 10:07
Jesus was Jewish
He was Hebrew as well


your definition of a Jew was a Hebrew who didn't believe in the Holy Trinity: perhaps you are failing to see the breakdown of you illogical conclusions but your failure to see doesn't change fact...
Yes We Have No Bananas
15-04-2004, 10:08
One time, at college, someone knocked at the door and I opened, thinking it was one of my flatmates. I found myself facing two mormons. One of them said "Good morning. Could we speak with the man of the house?". After pondering a bit, I recalled that my flatmate Joe owed me money. So I told them "Yes, of course", and I cried "Joe, there are some people here who want to talk to you!"

A very pissed off Joe came to try to kill me after 20 mins of preaching.

Damn, that was great

Good story, I have one too (I have already told it, but I like it)

I was relaxing on a warm sunny afternoon at uni with a cold beer chatting up a hot blonde curvy chick when this American Mormon came up to me and started preaching to me about his religion. The conversation went kind of like this:

I asked "Am I allowed to drink?", he answered "No"

I asked "Am I allowed to have sex before marrige?", he answered "No"

I declear "Why'd I want to join your religion then?"

He realised he wasn't going to get anywhere so left me to my 'sinful' ways.

As I said earlier, its the unwanted preaching that gets people pissed off at Mormons. I don't try to disprove their beliefs though, that's up to them if they want to live their life that (so why can't they just accept I want to live my life a certain way?)
High Orcs
15-04-2004, 10:09
Jesus was Jewish
He was Hebrew as well


your definition of a Jew was a Hebrew who didn't believe in the Holy Trinity: perhaps you are failing to see the breakdown of you illogical conclusions but your failure to see doesn't change fact...

Christ in a Cracker

All I did was state one thing that the Jewish Faith didn't follow in Christian Dogma
That in no way signifies a full definition of the religious structure

Common Sense man.
Common fu|cking sense
Filamai
15-04-2004, 10:32
Well, there is the excommunication of the Mormon anthropologist Thomas Murphy, or the archaeologist Thomas Stewart Ferguson, both of whom investigated the claims of the Book of Mormon and found to their horror that the 'historical' claims was patently false.

That sort of thing tends to happen a lot. I do not have a lot of patience for the persecution of academics.
Stephistan
15-04-2004, 11:03
Well, there is the excommunication of the Mormon anthropologist Thomas Murphy, or the archaeologist Thomas Stewart Ferguson, both of whom investigated the claims of the Book of Mormon and found to their horror that the 'historical' claims was patently false.

That sort of thing tends to happen a lot. I do not have a lot of patience for the persecution of academics.

Yes, the claims made by Joesph Smith have been discredited a long time ago. Mormons just put their hands over their ears and sing "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" LOL :lol:
Filamai
15-04-2004, 11:11
Well, there is the excommunication of the Mormon anthropologist Thomas Murphy, or the archaeologist Thomas Stewart Ferguson, both of whom investigated the claims of the Book of Mormon and found to their horror that the 'historical' claims was patently false.

That sort of thing tends to happen a lot. I do not have a lot of patience for the persecution of academics.

Yes, the claims made by Joesph Smith have been discredited a long time ago. Mormons just put their hands over their ears and sing "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" LOL :lol:

Nothing gives a cold smack of reality quite like personal scientific inquiry, no?
Stephistan
15-04-2004, 11:19
Well, there is the excommunication of the Mormon anthropologist Thomas Murphy, or the archaeologist Thomas Stewart Ferguson, both of whom investigated the claims of the Book of Mormon and found to their horror that the 'historical' claims was patently false.

That sort of thing tends to happen a lot. I do not have a lot of patience for the persecution of academics.

Yes, the claims made by Joesph Smith have been discredited a long time ago. Mormons just put their hands over their ears and sing "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" LOL :lol:

Nothing gives a cold smack of reality quite like personal scientific inquiry, no?

Ah, they just tell you they don't care if it's not true, they have faith it is any way..lol :roll:
QahJoh
15-04-2004, 11:48
Why is it that so many people try so hard to disprove the ideals of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. People make it their mission in life to prove the religion false. A more close example is present right her on NS. People devote entire threads with the purpose of attacking Mormon belief and mocking Mormons. Its a sad reality. I don't know what it is. Do people feel threatened by the doctrine because it is so popular and it is the fastest growing church in the world so they are afraid it will take away from their membership. I can't figure out what it is. I start to wonder if maybe it is just hate. You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions. I don't understand this strane phenomenon.

I'm not convinced that Mormons are necessarily the object of more "hatred" than other religions, per se. While it's true that there are several threads currently active on NS attacking Mormon belief and mocking Mormons, there is also one that began with an entirely legitimate premise- criticizing a certain Mormon rite. Similarly, I don't think that merely criticizing specific actions performed in a specific religion constitute "hate" or prejudice- although one can certainly lead to another.

Also, the whole "mocking" thing- every religion is mocked. Duh. Same applies for "trying to prove the faith wrong". A large degree of Christian-Jewish relations over the past 2,000 years have revolved around that very activity. I'd go so far as to say that missionary activity is connected to this idea, too. After all, in order to convert someone to your religion, you have to disprove theirs.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally do not feel threatened by the Mormons, and don't think I really hold hatred or even a large degree of animosity towards the LDS church, its theology, or individual Mormons in general. I DO have a problem with the specific practice of proxy baptisms, and of course, that issue is inevitably connected with other issues, but my main beef with them is that one ritual. As far as I'm concerned, they can believe whatever they like, just don't push it on others.

... But that's just me. I'm sure some people do indeed hate Mormons. But then again... a lot of people hate someone, and I'm not convinced Mormons have it particularly worse than other religious groups.
QahJoh
15-04-2004, 11:56
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews

Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...

Excuse me, pookie, but Jews are not a race.

Jesus was Jewish
He was Hebrew as well

your definition of a Jew was a Hebrew who didn't believe in the Holy Trinity: perhaps you are failing to see the breakdown of you illogical conclusions but your failure to see doesn't change fact...

Could you re-explain that? Also, High Orcs had a very good point: if you believe Mormons are heretics because they don't believe in the trinity, then what do you believe about Jews? Shouldn't they be considered equally heretical, or maybe even more so, since they don't accept Jesus as having been divine AT ALL?
Katganistan
15-04-2004, 12:03
Why is it that so many people try so hard to disprove the ideals of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. People make it their mission in life to prove the religion false. A more close example is present right her on NS. People devote entire threads with the purpose of attacking Mormon belief and mocking Mormons. Its a sad reality. I don't know what it is. Do people feel threatened by the doctrine because it is so popular and it is the fastest growing church in the world so they are afraid it will take away from their membership. I can't figure out what it is. I start to wonder if maybe it is just hate. You won't find another Mormon blatantly taking the offensive against another religion trying to disprove it, because they respect all religions and understand that their is good in all religions. I don't understand this strane phenomenon.

I suppose that is why the poll is so ridiculously biased in its phrasing, and why on another thread, a self-avowed Mormon asked why people don't go after those wacky Catholics for cannibalism since they believe that the host and wine are transformed miraculously into the body and blood of Christ through transubstantiation.

Yep. Pot, meet kettle.

If you're going to question the validity of another religion, and you're going to assert that that religion is completely wrong and that everyone associated with that religion is unable to enter Heaven because they don't believe in your particular brand of religion, you might expect folks to point out the inconsistancies in your own stance.

I forget though, refuting arguments by explaining one's objections is called "bashing" and "not listening".
Kahrstein
15-04-2004, 16:55
People denounce beliefs they feel are wrong because they are good people.
Free Soviets
15-04-2004, 17:39
Well, there is the excommunication of the Mormon anthropologist Thomas Murphy, or the archaeologist Thomas Stewart Ferguson, both of whom investigated the claims of the Book of Mormon and found to their horror that the 'historical' claims was patently false.

and this is the best reason to laugh at mormons. their entire religion relies on a large number of factual claims that are all completely and utterly false. in order to be a mormon you have to believe untrue things, which means you have to be either ignorant or stupid. or else you know that they are untrue and keep pushing them anyway, which makes you a liar. they are much like creationists in that respect.

i say that if you are going to have a religion, you should at least make sure it is only wrong in really subtle ways.
Free Soviets
15-04-2004, 17:58
Ah, they just tell you they don't care if it's not true, they have faith it is any way..lol :roll:

which merely rules out the 'ignorant' possibility of the options. and leaves us with stupid or dishonest.
Katganistan
16-04-2004, 02:25
Heh...this texas guy sure must hate Jews


Friend, unlike the Mormons (who consider the Native Americans and Blacks inferior to white skinned people) I do not judge people by their races, nor do I judge races by individual people: we are all God's children, and thus we are children of the Lord Jesus Christ...

Jews, not Hebrews
Two different things here.

Jews don't believe in God the Trinity.
Which I am sure you know

So if a Rabbi preaches in a synogogue, perhaps about something in Kabal writings, which aren't included in Christianity (Necine Council), would that be considered false doctrine because they convienantly decided 1100 years ago that "Y'know what, we don't like this part of the religion that our messiah followed, so we're going to leave that out", and spit in the face of a Holy Trinity that they don't believe in?

I don't know if you are trying to make a point or are confused... the beliefs of the Christian church split off from the beliefs of the Jewish faith. Those who continue to follow Judaism never believed that Jesus was actually the Messiah and are still waiting for him to come -- therefore they do not spit in the face of the Trinity... they just don't accept any of the teachings after a certain point.
Smeagol-Gollum
16-04-2004, 04:27
You asked, so I will answer why I personally find Mormon beliefs to be "strange" at least in my understanding (or quite possibly mis-understanding).

If I am factually incorrect, please correct me on the details, as I am not really interested in "bashing" anyone for their beliefs. Mormons, however, are extremely zealous missionaries (which they undoubtedly see as a virtue, others view this activity less kindly) and what little I know of them have been gleaned from talking to these missionaries.

My own "biases" first up. I was brought up as a Catholic. However, part of my education, in Catholic schools, introduced me to a love of history. I still prefer to read, in general, a history book rather than a novel (although I am fond of Tolkien, Asimov, and Pratchett amonst others). This love of history, combined with a general questioning of some of the beliefs I was taught, has now left me as an agnostic.

From what I understand, the Mormon Church (or "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is largely based on "The Book of Mormon".

A Joseph Smith, in the 1820's, claimed to have been visited by an angel, Moroni, who gave him metallic plates engraved with characters, and translation devices (?) which allowed him to produce the "Book of Mormon".
QahJoh
21-04-2004, 08:17
You asked, so I will answer why I personally find Mormon beliefs to be "strange" at least in my understanding (or quite possibly mis-understanding).

If I am factually incorrect, please correct me on the details, as I am not really interested in "bashing" anyone for their beliefs. Mormons, however, are extremely zealous missionaries (which they undoubtedly see as a virtue, others view this activity less kindly) and what little I know of them have been gleaned from talking to these missionaries.

My own "biases" first up. I was brought up as a Catholic. However, part of my education, in Catholic schools, introduced me to a love of history. I still prefer to read, in general, a history book rather than a novel (although I am fond of Tolkien, Asimov, and Pratchett amonst others). This love of history, combined with a general questioning of some of the beliefs I was taught, has now left me as an agnostic.

From what I understand, the Mormon Church (or "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is largely based on "The Book of Mormon".

A Joseph Smith, in the 1820's, claimed to have been visited by an angel, Moroni, who gave him metallic plates engraved with characters, and translation devices (?) which allowed him to produce the "Book of Mormon".

I am too much of a smart-ass to ever believe in a religion whose holy book is alleged to have been given by an individual whose name included the word "moron". It's like a bad practical joke.