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I am a great Tolkien fan and have been since i was 9 years old and when i was 15 i started to learn Tolkien languages. Ever since i became fluent in Elvish(Tel'Quessir), Orcish and numerous mortal languages i have taught people.
I have decided to start giving out lessons to anyone who want to learn one of many of J.R.R Tolkien's languages. I am starting off with Elvish but i will eventually teach Orcish, a type of language from Rohan and Gondor(mainly used in Minas Tririth) and a form of language that Hobbits may use. Elvish is the most popular language that Tolkien enthusiasts like to learn and is fairly simple to learn, well Tel'Quessir Elvish is. If you are interested in learning please post and i will contact you.
Many Thanks.
Thinmacar (my Elvish name)

Guess what Sauron means :D

please explain to me what you mean with "Tel'Quessir" Elvish. As far as I know, Quenya and Sindarin are the only Elvish languages JRR ever wrote (if you don't count Qenya and Gnomish :wink: )

is it related to Klingon?

probably :roll:

*shakes head in pity* :tantrum:

I think my conlang is better. :lol:

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Free your mind!

please explain to me what you mean with "Tel'Quessir" Elvish. As far as I know, Quenya and Sindarin are the only Elvish languages JRR ever wrote (if you don't count Qenya and Gnomish :wink: )
Oh no, Tel' Quessir is a type of Quenya and is now becoming very popular.

please explain to me what you mean with "Tel'Quessir" Elvish. As far as I know, Quenya and Sindarin are the only Elvish languages JRR ever wrote (if you don't count Qenya and Gnomish :wink: )
Can you speak any Tolkien languages?

not yet, except some phrases in elvish like "namarie" or "mae govannen" :wink:

I'm curious if Tolkien, who I pressume invented the languages, based his languages on already existing languages like the old irish or welsh?

he did, some were based on Old English and Welsh, some on Old Finnish

Oki!! Creative fella that Tolkien :)

he did, some were based on Old English and Welsh, some on Old Finnish
No he didnt on Old Finish, Old Norweigian :wink:

I love this stuff.

he did, some were based on Old English and Welsh, some on Old Finnish
No he didnt on Old Finish, Old Norweigian :wink:

Actually what you call "old norwegian" is Icelandic, most of Tolkiens languages are based on Icelandic.
Tolkien spoke fluent Icelandic, and most of the characters names in LOTR are from the Icelandic sagas and the "old custom" (Iceland's ancient religion).

he did, some were based on Old English and Welsh, some on Old Finnish
No he didnt on Old Finish, Old Norweigian :wink:

Actually what you call "old norwegian" is Icelandic, most of Tolkiens languages are based on Icelandic.
Tolkien spoke fluent Icelandic, and most of the characters names in LOTR are from the Icelandic sagas and the "old custom" (Iceland's ancient religion).
Old Norweigian or Heyan'a is the Elvish word for Ice!!!! That proves your point. :D

So what?

In ALL of Tolkien's works, you may have picked up about 100 words of 'elivish" and considerably less of any others. 100 words would give you the vocabulary of the average 2 to 3 year old.

And "elvish" is the best "documented". Show me a single word of the language of the hobbits for example. Or even share with us all the name of the language used by hobbits.

Anyway. its MY preciousss, you nasty tricksy hobbit.

he did, some were based on Old English and Welsh, some on Old Finnish
No he didnt on Old Finish, Old Norweigian :wink:

Actually what you call "old norwegian" is Icelandic, most of Tolkiens languages are based on Icelandic.
Tolkien spoke fluent Icelandic, and most of the characters names in LOTR are from the Icelandic sagas and the "old custom" (Iceland's ancient religion).
Old Norweigian or Heyan'a is the Elvish word for Ice!!!! That proves your point. :D

Well, that and I know for a fact that Icelandic is "old Norwegian" (Me being Icelandic).

I don't really know alot about the languages Tolkien made, all I know is that the basic structure is based on Icelandic.
Tolkien came to Iceland frequently and was an honorary member of the Icelandic "Scholars of The Edda's" society and the Icelandic history society.

I have read all of LOTR though, and I enjoyed them very much. Many references to the Icelandic heathen religion are instantly recognizabe.
For example: Every single Dwarf name in the books comes from the Edda's (Fili, Kili, Gimli...etc).

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A Very Special Offer For You!

Learn Quenya (http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/qcourse.htm), one of the most popular languages made by J.R.R. Tolkien.

Yes, in a matter of weeks, you'll be able to debase yourself to such a low level of Nerd, which is in itself an entirely respectable social caste, to the supreme level of loser known as dweeb and/or FanBoy!

But wait, there's more!

Not only will you be subject to the most degrading level of "Tolkien FanBoy", but you and Klingon-Speaking Star Trek CosPlayers (the kinds that take going to conventions religiously and trick-or-treat until they're in their 40's with the same basic costume), will have years of fun teaching each other languages

THAT DO NOT EXIST!

Just imagine the fun you'll be having! It's all exciting, all fun, and yes, you'll still be able to masturbate, and orgasm IN QUENYA!. The Joys of Looking at Elfporn and making plastic pointed ears are WITHIN YOUR REACH!

Act now and recieve, free of charge, a full-fledged punch in the face!

LOL :lol:
Excellent post, one of the best I have seen here.
More power to your keyboard. :wink:

So what?

In ALL of Tolkien's works, you may have picked up about 100 words of 'elivish" and considerably less of any others. 100 words would give you the vocabulary of the average 2 to 3 year old.

And "elvish" is the best "documented". Show me a single word of the language of the hobbits for example. Or even share with us all the name of the language used by hobbits.

Anyway. its MY preciousss, you nasty tricksy hobbit.

a word in the language of the hobbits hmm? would a name be good too?

I received a most amusing "telegram" from Manya, which I will publish here.
For some reason he/she apparently decided that the general Forum was no longer a suitable venue for his blatant advertising. I disagree, and will be more than happy to conduct a "debate" in a public arena.

The telegram:

listen, i have studied Tolkiens languages for over 15 years at university and at my own leisure i have worked damn hard at studying in languages and this rewarded me in helping them in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy with Elvish and Orcish and in Tolkiens writtern descriptive passages, in Y'enchal about the characters. Dont you give any rubbish about Elvish being vocab, man its way more, adjectival compositions, structural verbal measures etc. Hobbit is known as Y'enchal (silent 'n'). Its way hard language as there are so many structural words and diferent letters. A bit like japenese. Its damn hard!!!

MY COMMENT.
It's damn hard alright -
damn hard to believe anything that you have said,
damn hard to understand why you think you've stumbled onto a money-spinner,
damn hard to think of any real university that would offer "Tolkien languages" as a course,
damn hard to understand how an "expert in languages" could have such trouble with spelling and structure in English,
and damn hard to understand why you have quit the general forum.

Bring it on for the public mate.
I await your reply, preferably through the General Forum, with interest.

I replied per telegram as follows :

"I have posted your telegram in the General Forum, which I believe is a far more suitable venue.

I have replied to it there."

1. Manya is bullshitting. There is NO WAY he could've studied Tolkien Languages at university

2. You were bullshitting earlier, too. There is a lot more than "just 200 words" of the Elvish languages, and yes there are words in the hobbits' language, too.

1. Manya is bullshitting. There is NO WAY he could've studied Tolkien Languages at university

2. You were bullshitting earlier, too. There is a lot more than "just 200 words" of the Elvish languages, and yes there are words in the hobbits' language, too.

You could be right. There may well be 500, 600 or even a thousand words of "Elvish" documented in Tolkien's works.

It doesn't change the facts that it would not be possible to converse in that language, the "language" does not actually exist outside of works of fiction, and that anyone offering to teach it is a fake and a fraud. And a fake and a fraud who has not had the "intestinal fortitude" to return to the general forum to discuss his/her extraordinary claims.

I believe Hobbitish only existed in the names of places or people; the only hobbit word I know of is "mathom" which was something of a uselss object. Elvish does not have enough words to talk as you and I do with people in RL everyday, or even converse as on this forum.

There are projects by non-Tolkein affiliated groups to complete the Orkish, Elvish, and probably, Mannish tounges in the book, yet I only know of a complete-ish Orkish (Black Speech) spoof. Orkish only had like 20 or so words in its vocabulary, Elvish near 1,000.

I believe Hobbitish only existed in the names of places or people; the only hobbit word I know of is "mathom" which was something of a uselss object. Elvish does not have enough words to talk as you and I do with people in RL everyday, or even converse as on this forum.

There are projects by non-Tolkein affiliated groups to complete the Orkish, Elvish, and probably, Mannish tounges in the book, yet I only know of a complete-ish Orkish (Black Speech) spoof. Orkish only had like 20 or so words in its vocabulary, Elvish near 1,000.

Hey Manya, come out of your hobbit hole.
BUMP.

Hey Manya, come out of your hobbit hole.
BUMP.

Actually, Elvish is offered at some universities, not as a class, mind you, but as another extracuricular activity. There are also many online classes for it as well.


As for Hexagrams...Your going down.
*smacks him on the head with a +1 Mace*

Hail Tolkien! Hail Gygax!

Falaugh Ballaugh!

Sorry about that outburst of geeky violence folks, its a bit late and I'm a wee bit incoherent and prone to violence.

vasalu nakanam?

I have maeg carach! what does that mean oh great Tolkien launguge people...don't get me wrong I love Tolkien's work and everything, and know about every thing, jsut what does that mean?

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I am a great Tolkien fan and have been since i was 9 years old and when i was 15 i started to learn Tolkien languages. Ever since i became fluent in Elvish(Tel'Quessir), Orcish and numerous mortal languages i have taught people.
I have decided to start giving out lessons to anyone who want to learn one of many of J.R.R Tolkien's languages. I am starting off with Elvish but i will eventually teach Orcish, a type of language from Rohan and Gondor(mainly used in Minas Tririth) and a form of language that Hobbits may use. Elvish is the most popular language that Tolkien enthusiasts like to learn and is fairly simple to learn, well Tel'Quessir Elvish is. If you are interested in learning please post and i will contact you.
Many Thanks.
Thinmacar (my Elvish name)

First of all I'd like to say that it's great what you're doing. But you can never be fluent in Elvish. Tolkien never wrote down his languages. And to learn them you can only work with a seletion of restricted material, trying to figure how you'd fill in the gaps along the way.

Firstly it isnt a language course on TOlkien, god damn thick sh!ts, i study english and you can do loads of language modules, in england you can which is where i live. Yes you can become fluent to a certain extent in writing and speaking of course speaking is harder. I dont care what you dumb arses say as you dont have a clue about this stuff except for a few. Go get on with your sad lives you little pieces of SH!T(except for Pirate-ville).

I like The Lord of the Rings, but really people, what is the point in learning the elvish language or orcish or any other PRETEND, I repeat, PRETEND language developed by Tolkien. You have to be a LotR uber-geek to do that.

I like The Lord of the Rings, but really people, what is the point in learning the elvish language or orcish or any other PRETEND, I repeat, PRETEND language developed by Tolkien. You have to be a LotR uber-geek to do that.
Its interwsting if you are going to be a linguistic in future life as you get to know how languages can be created using others and its really the study of it.

I am a great Tolkien fan and have been since i was 9 years old and when i was 15 i started to learn Tolkien languages. Ever since i became fluent in Elvish(Tel'Quessir), Orcish and numerous mortal languages i have taught people.
I have decided to start giving out lessons to anyone who want to learn one of many of J.R.R Tolkien's languages. I am starting off with Elvish but i will eventually teach Orcish, a type of language from Rohan and Gondor(mainly used in Minas Tririth) and a form of language that Hobbits may use. Elvish is the most popular language that Tolkien enthusiasts like to learn and is fairly simple to learn, well Tel'Quessir Elvish is. If you are interested in learning please post and i will contact you.
Many Thanks.
Thinmacar (my Elvish name)

What a colossal waste of time.