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This is for those of you who agree that Bush is a bad President. Feel free to voice your top reason. :wink:

Haven't voted because I don't know, fascism is hard to defeat. of course he is a bad president but it is difficult to chose between all the bads.
Enron, Cheney, halliburton, the war, his lies, the tax benefits for the upper rich, the job lost, the spitting on old EU friends and the UN, maximum nature destruction, sabotaging the climate agreements with the rest of the world, seeking oil in natural reserves ...so many bads. It is more easy for me to find one argument why Hitler was bad then to find THE ONE of his spiritual son.

I don't understand your poll, what 'top' reason. I only see "Do you think Kerry will beat Bush". Bush, the simple fact the mans a moron with a below average intelligence who's had everything given to him on a plate thanks to his daddy is why he's such a bad President (sp?, I'm Aussie, I rarely write that word). His policies haven't made mine or your country any safer. I thought Americans were meant to admire the self made man?, everthing GW isn't.

No...I don't think Kerry will win.
The reason: You guys are so damn nuts.

Bush is everything wrong with the US.

Bush is everything wrong with the US.

Not true at all. My laundry soap made all my shirts too scratchy and I'm reasonably sure he has nothing to do with it.

(Useless post, I apologize)

Therefore, a wise Prince will seek means by which his subjects will always and in every possible condition of things have need of his government; then they will always be faithful to him.

I do nott care what you say what polls or anyone else says, becuase bookies have Bush as the odds on favorite to win the 2004 election.

http://www.wsex.com/market/USPRES-ELECT2004.html

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.

Bush is everything wrong with the US.

Not true at all. My laundry soap made all my shirts too scratchy and I'm reasonably sure he has nothing to do with it.

(Useless post, I apologize)

Ah, yes, but you aren't positive, are you? Do I sense conspiracy?

Bush is everything wrong with the US.

Not true at all. My laundry soap made all my shirts too scratchy and I'm reasonably sure he has nothing to do with it.

(Useless post, I apologize)

Ah, yes, but you aren't positive, are you? Do I sense conspiracy?

Hehehe, everything + the laundry soap then... :P

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

Agreed. Away with all taxes! No more funds to the state!

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.

That's pretty solid right there.

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..


Who's job is it? Those that are too poor to pay for health care? If the state is to provide health care, then the money has to come from somewhere. Europe has far fairer health systems that the US, and less unnecessary opertaions are carried out, along with litigation, which in the end, helps the people using the health care systems better.

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.
so getting your country in dept for tullions of dollars is the american way??? glad to be on the other side of the world :)

Haven't voted because I don't know, fascism is hard to defeat. of course he is a bad president but it is difficult to chose between all the bads.
Enron, Cheney, halliburton, the war, his lies, the tax benefits for the upper rich, the job lost, the spitting on old EU friends and the UN, maximum nature destruction, sabotaging the climate agreements with the rest of the world, seeking oil in natural reserves ...so many bads. It is more easy for me to find one argument why Hitler was bad then to find THE ONE of his spiritual son.


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There is no way anybody could respond to such an ignorant post.

Kerry is to radical for the US. I mean, saying he will raise taxes, try and make health care and education fairer for all, and end the budget deficit. All realistic policies, and ones I am sure that he would acheive, but the right wing press will make sure that he will not get in.

After all, he will raise taxes, and that is not the American way.

By the way, the main reason that Bush is a bad president, because he is a jerk.
so getting your country in dept for tullions of dollars is the american way??? glad to be on the other side of the world :)


America was in debt before Bush. :roll:

Bush is everything wrong with the US.


You are what is wrong with the US. Back your post up with something or be quiet!

everything worng with u.s.

well in a sense close but no real cegar

it's not about faces or personalities
it's about policy and the entrenchment of corruption

the same corruption that has wanted to run things all along
put bush in power on the undersanding that he permit it to
become entrenched as indeed he has

there is a very high probability this same corruption had a major
hand in crafting the events of 0-11
and it is this same corruption and
not bush himself that is running
things now.
but as long as mr shrubbery's backside warms the chair in OUR
oval office (yes i live in the u.s., and mr shrubbery does NOT
represent me, nor i believe a
majority of the will of the american people) they do so with his blessing.

who are these corruption that scratches mr bush's back while he
scratches their's?

the are quasi-legitimate bussiness intrests with absolutely no more
moral backbone then organized crime
which they are neither distinguish
able nor entirely sepperate from.

we all know some of the names like dick cheney and carl rove
but even there it isn't the names that matters but what is done
and with how much flagrant disreguard for the moral responsibility
to avoid causing harm.

to say it is about oil is not untrue but even that IS something
of an oversimplification.

this corruption pretends to be the will of fanatical christianity
and exerts much of it's influence through those channels

there is little doubt in my mind that were some other belief dominant
they would just as readdily lay claim to that one

they are the big money that want people to believe they are being
'conservative' when they buy their brainwashing and play into their hands

they are the same they that gave us nixxon and raygun

they are also the same they that gave us khomani and even hitler and
stalin.

nothing so deep dark and mysterios (and dismissable as loonacy) as some
puttative bavarian luminati, for they are no monolithic brotherhood
of theives, but rather fellow travellers who exploit the convenience of the moment to further
each their own ends, whether those ends be simple greed or vengence.

this is what we have warming the chair in OUR oval office.
mr shrubbery who no one else but this corruption put there is himself
little more then their 'poster boy'. it is the karl roves and
ken ley's who are running the show
with his face to lie and hide behind.
so whether mr shrubbery himself runns with that crowd or is merely
a wannabe commissioner of baseball they've conned into fronting for them
as long as he is in power his policies represent the will of
corruption and do nothing positive for the well being of humanity nor the planet

the invasion of iraq, largely to control it's oil, but also to take
personal vengence on the part of mr shrubber, a bone the entrenchment
of corruption has thrown to him,
is but one example of the kind of
harm these forces are completely indifferent to the causing of.

protest is good, but the avoidance of our thoughtlessly
choosen priorities creating a market for this entrenched corruption
would be even better.

every penny you spend is also a vote
and we need to REALLY think about what we are voting for with them

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i don't trust his eyebows

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..[/quote]

So you'd rather your money went to killing foriegners and making the world more unstable than helping out your fellow countrymen? Sad.

I pay tax and frankly I'm glad to, just as long as it is spent on making my country a better place for me and others to live in. Why should healthcare be only for those who are rich enough? Isn't health a basic human need?

BTW - I'm not American. To remain on topic , I think Bush is the worse to happen this planet in a long time, not just America

i don't think he's as bad as saddam hussain. But i don't trust his eyebrows either

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

So you'd rather your money went to killing foriegners and making the world more unstable than helping out your fellow countrymen? Sad.

I pay tax and frankly I'm glad to, just as long as it is spent on making my country a better place for me and others to live in. Why should healthcare be only for those who are rich enough? Isn't health a basic human need?

BTW - I'm not American. To remain on topic , I think Bush is the worse to happen this planet in a long time, not just America

You know, if you're a part of the US occupation forces, you get paid by US citizens' tax money...

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

So you'd rather your money went to killing foriegners and making the world more unstable than helping out your fellow countrymen? Sad.

I pay tax and frankly I'm glad to, just as long as it is spent on making my country a better place for me and others to live in. Why should healthcare be only for those who are rich enough? Isn't health a basic human need?

BTW - I'm not American. To remain on topic , I think Bush is the worse to happen this planet in a long time, not just America

You know, if you're a part of the US occupation forces, you get paid by US citizens' tax money...

Yes....but at least military pay is part of that part of the "Provide for the common defense"....that at least is Constitutional, and one in which I have no problem paying.

Earlier it was said " isn't basic health a need"?..perhaps...it it's not my problem to pay for it. I'm not rich..where do you get off on this only the rich get healthcare crap..It's called.."WORKING"...and a job has benefits..among them health insurance. I pay my co-pay and file my claim for services with my insurance carrier.

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

So you'd rather your money went to killing foriegners and making the world more unstable than helping out your fellow countrymen? Sad.

I pay tax and frankly I'm glad to, just as long as it is spent on making my country a better place for me and others to live in. Why should healthcare be only for those who are rich enough? Isn't health a basic human need?

BTW - I'm not American. To remain on topic , I think Bush is the worse to happen this planet in a long time, not just America

You know, if you're a part of the US occupation forces, you get paid by US citizens' tax money...

That was kind of what I was getting at. I'm annoyed Australian tax dollars are being spent on the war in Iraq, we have troops there too.

Well...gee..there is something...more taxes..legalized theft is what it is. I want my money..my money that I've earned...frankly...I don't care bout providing universal healthcare...it's not my job to makes sure someone else is cared for..

So you'd rather your money went to killing foriegners and making the world more unstable than helping out your fellow countrymen? Sad.

I pay tax and frankly I'm glad to, just as long as it is spent on making my country a better place for me and others to live in. Why should healthcare be only for those who are rich enough? Isn't health a basic human need?

BTW - I'm not American. To remain on topic , I think Bush is the worse to happen this planet in a long time, not just America

You know, if you're a part of the US occupation forces, you get paid by US citizens' tax money...

That was kind of what I was getting at. I'm annoyed Australian tax dollars are being spent on the war in Iraq, we have troops there too.

Well..like any taxpayer..if you have a problem with where your taxes are going..you vote in your particular candidate who will follow your wishes in the matter..and vote out an incumbent who didn't...is that the greatness of our systems?

Haven't voted because I don't know, fascism is hard to defeat. of course he is a bad president but it is difficult to chose between all the bads.
Enron, Cheney, halliburton, the war, his lies, the tax benefits for the upper rich, the job lost, the spitting on old EU friends and the UN, maximum nature destruction, sabotaging the climate agreements with the rest of the world, seeking oil in natural reserves ...so many bads. It is more easy for me to find one argument why Hitler was bad then to find THE ONE of his spiritual son.


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There is no way anybody could respond to such an ignorant post.

Guess you are a ignorant Bush fan :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Haven't voted because I don't know, fascism is hard to defeat. of course he is a bad president but it is difficult to chose between all the bads.
Enron, Cheney, halliburton, the war, his lies, the tax benefits for the upper rich, the job lost, the spitting on old EU friends and the UN, maximum nature destruction, sabotaging the climate agreements with the rest of the world, seeking oil in natural reserves ...so many bads. It is more easy for me to find one argument why Hitler was bad then to find THE ONE of his spiritual son.


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There is no way anybody could respond to such an ignorant post.

What a funny contradiction!! :lol:

Hey, you are aware you're contradicting yourself, right? :lol:

Thanks for the laughs. :lol:

We get the rulers we deserve. Bush is in because we have allowed him to be elected. One way or another, he is representitive of us, upsetting as that may be. Are the American people better than that? Not if we can't elect someone else. While we may not like it, we are a nation that supports Bush, at least enough to elect him once, and perhaps enough to elect him again. God forbid. Why is he President? Because he is us, or a big part of us. I don't like him or his "policies" but a lot of Americans do. They may be foolish or ignorant, but then that's what America is. We can't handle democracy. We're too selfish, too self-centered. Democracy is based on an ability to look beyond ourselves, to a larger "society." How many people can do that? Look at some of these posts.
We got what we deserve.

Haven't voted because I don't know, fascism is hard to defeat. of course he is a bad president but it is difficult to chose between all the bads.
Enron, Cheney, halliburton, the war, his lies, the tax benefits for the upper rich, the job lost, the spitting on old EU friends and the UN, maximum nature destruction, sabotaging the climate agreements with the rest of the world, seeking oil in natural reserves ...so many bads. It is more easy for me to find one argument why Hitler was bad then to find THE ONE of his spiritual son.


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There is no way anybody could respond to such an ignorant post.

What a funny contradiction!! :lol:


Hey, you are aware you're contradicting yourself, right? :lol:

Thanks for the laughs. :lol:

lol!
I didn't catch that, 1248B. :lol:

Phaedra H posted most of what I, too, think about Bush!
Good one!
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We get the rulers we deserve. Bush is in because we have allowed him to be elected. One way or another, he is representitive of us, upsetting as that may be. Are the American people better than that? Not if we can't elect someone else. While we may not like it, we are a nation that supports Bush, at least enough to elect him once, and perhaps enough to elect him again. God forbid. Why is he President? Because he is us, or a big part of us. I don't like him or his "policies" but a lot of Americans do. They may be foolish or ignorant, but then that's what America is. We can't handle democracy. We're too selfish, too self-centered. Democracy is based on an ability to look beyond ourselves, to a larger "society." How many people can do that? Look at some of these posts.
We got what we deserve.

I agree...I didn't vote for Bush Jr..I voted for his Father though, course..there wasn't a 3rd option..and I couldn't vote Democrat in all good conscience as I know how Gore is..he's from my home state..his family are treated like feudal rulers back in Carthage TN his home.

Bush on some level resonates with a good many Americans..some, rightly or wrongly applaud his efforts to do something, anything bout terrorism, our at best knee-jerk reaction to 9/11..we Americans like the gun first, we've seen what diplomacy has done for the world, not a whole lot. We know that the gun will get the job done..but we aren't so sure of diplomacy.

His overall inability to realize that the world is not black and white.

The fact he seems to look like he farting... :wink:

Seriously,

* His attacks on the Constitution.
* The fact he is trying to tear down the wall of the seperation of church and state so that tax money can be given to churches.
* The fact that he "misleads" the facts with redefinitions; as in the fast food workers are manufactoring jobs.
* The fact he gives money to Pat Robertson(A billionaire) to "help" people in africa by flying stuff to them. Don't look at the fact said planes make pickups at diamond mines that he owns.
* Use of the phrase "evil doers" ;)
* Use of the phrase "new jobs" without definining what they are
* Giving money to colleges to train the out of work people for "new jobs"
* The establishment of the Office of Faith Based initiatives.

What is scary is the fact the Arch-Conservatives in Congress don't like him and they are trying to rush through Bills to eliminate the courts ability to "discriminate" against Religious people. (Moore is back) and that the goverment should not "discrimate" against Religous people thus give them tax funds to "help" people.

I wish Howard Dean had won the Democratic candidacy. His antics were at least entertaining. This election is more of the same; alot of mud slinging and little talk of issues.

Kerry has no platform whatsoever. None. He's basically not Bush and that's what he is running on. That's not a platform its a statement of fact...

At least with Bush you know what to expect. Another 4 years of the policies he's implemented up to now. Whether you like 'em or not.

Read the book Dude, Where's My Country? by Michael Moore...

Yes....but at least military pay is part of that part of the "Provide for the common defense"....that at least is Constitutional, and one in which I have no problem paying.

So, we only have to pay taxes for things that we have no problem with? Wow, I didn't know this! That's great! I'll draw up an itemized bill explaining exactly where I didn't want my tax dollars spent and I'm sure the government will be more than happy to refund me. Let's start with the fact that George W. Bush has had more vacations, ON TAX PAYER DOLLARS, than any other president in the past 20 years. Now, I haven't had a vacation in the last three years. So someone owes me something.


Earlier it was said " isn't basic health a need"?..perhaps...it it's not my problem to pay for it. I'm not rich..where do you get off on this only the rich get healthcare crap..It's called.."WORKING"...and a job has benefits..among them health insurance. I pay my co-pay and file my claim for services with my insurance carrier.

Hmmm, yes, but if you're sick or disabled, then you can't work, now can you? I mean, of course that'll never in a million years happen to you and you'll be able to keep working and making enough money to pay for the absolute best in medical care until you drop dead on the job well into your 100s, but perhaps a little compassion for people who aren't as fortunate as you might not be a bad thing. Just on the off chance, you understand, that some day the shoe might be on the other foot.

When Bush took office he was briefed on a plan to invade Afghanistan and remove Al-Qaeda, devised by Clinton's administration. Bush considered it a wasteful project and continued to obsess over Iraq. Then, after 9/11 he digs out the ready-made invasion, follows through with it, and is praised for his efficient respons. Now people call Clinton a weak, indecisive President with bad military policies. Thats bull****.

I have so many, but currently it's the fact that he's started a war, it has gone to hell, and what is he doing? Back on vacation in Crawford, Texas.

Here's an equivalent: Way back in the day when I was flipping burgers for a living, if I had set the grill on fire and then headed for my apartment to watch porno and drink beer, I would be acting slightly more responsibly than our President is, simply because there aren't as many human lives as stake.

He's just like every other president. You're all delusional to think that Kerry will be any better.

I'd say managing to alienate the entire world in 3 years is some achievement. After all, after the 11th September attacks, even seasoned Anti-Americans were softening. The US had the sympathy and support of the world, and he managed to throw it all away. And it wasn't long before he was trampling over treaties and wrecking alliances left, right and centre. So, from an outsider's point of view, for single-handedly de-stabilising the globe, I call him a bad President.

Yes....but at least military pay is part of that part of the "Provide for the common defense"....that at least is Constitutional, and one in which I have no problem paying.

So, we only have to pay taxes for things that we have no problem with? Wow, I didn't know this! That's great! I'll draw up an itemized bill explaining exactly where I didn't want my tax dollars spent and I'm sure the government will be more than happy to refund me. Let's start with the fact that George W. Bush has had more vacations, ON TAX PAYER DOLLARS, than any other president in the past 20 years. Now, I haven't had a vacation in the last three years. So someone owes me something.


Earlier it was said " isn't basic health a need"?..perhaps...it it's not my problem to pay for it. I'm not rich..where do you get off on this only the rich get healthcare crap..It's called.."WORKING"...and a job has benefits..among them health insurance. I pay my co-pay and file my claim for services with my insurance carrier.

Hmmm, yes, but if you're sick or disabled, then you can't work, now can you? I mean, of course that'll never in a million years happen to you and you'll be able to keep working and making enough money to pay for the absolute best in medical care until you drop dead on the job well into your 100s, but perhaps a little compassion for people who aren't as fortunate as you might not be a bad thing. Just on the off chance, you understand, that some day the shoe might be on the other foot.

If you had read what I had posted..I said..providing for the common defense is CONSTITUTIONAL...universal healthcare is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL....hence....my tax dollars are doing what our Constitution allocates for..which is the military pay that was spoken of.

If I'm sick or disabled..I used my own sense of personal responsibility and have planned ahead..oh..let's not use personal responsibility..let the State take care of me..no thank you..I'm an adult and can do that well enough...fyi...I'm 59 going on 60 and in 7 yrs could be considered applicable for Social Security..which is something I paid into...but even if I don't get that small pittance..I have invested my money and won't live large..but I'll make do..my house is paid for..I don't use credit cards, and I don't live out of my means..

You say compassion...I say take responsibility for your ownself...I have great compassion...and in case you haven't noticed....we have Medicaid for the sick and disabled..I know...I do the medical billing..and if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

I'd say managing to alienate the entire world in 3 years is some achievement. After all, after the 11th September attacks, even seasoned Anti-Americans were softening. The US had the sympathy and support of the world, and he managed to throw it all away. And it wasn't long before he was trampling over treaties and wrecking alliances left, right and centre. So, from an outsider's point of view, for single-handedly de-stabilising the globe, I call him a bad President.

Hey !! You stole my reason.

I would like to add that he is also a liar. Yes I know that all politicians are liars, and before anyone trys to throw Bill Clinton up at me, Bill was also a liar, but his lie was not responsable for a growing death count comming out of Iraq.

I'd say managing to alienate the entire world in 3 years is some achievement. After all, after the 11th September attacks, even seasoned Anti-Americans were softening. The US had the sympathy and support of the world, and he managed to throw it all away. And it wasn't long before he was trampling over treaties and wrecking alliances left, right and centre. So, from an outsider's point of view, for single-handedly de-stabilising the globe, I call him a bad President.

Hey !! You stole my reason.

I would like to add that he is also a liar. Yes I know that all politicians are liars, and before anyone trys to throw Bill Clinton up at me, Bill was also a liar, but his lie was not responsable for a growing death count comming out of Iraq.

True...he wasn't responsible for a growing death count..but Clinton was responsible for destroying an aspirin factory, and he was on watch during other terrorist actions..way to go Bill...if he had a set of cajones he might have taken Osama when he was offered him 3 times.

True...he wasn't responsible for a growing death count..but Clinton was responsible for destroying an aspirin factory, and he was on watch during other terrorist actions..way to go Bill...if he had a set of cajones he might have taken Osama when he was offered him 3 times.

True, but Bill is not running. One last ex-president shot before getting back on topic. If George the first would not have pulled us out when we were less than a mile from Saddam on the last crusade, we would not be fighting this war right now.

Back on track :
I do not believe that Bush the second is smart enough, honest enough, nor does he have the ability to handle international politics that is neccesary to be a good president.

For the record, I don't think that Kerry will beat Bush, although I would rather be under his boot than Bush's. Bush is going to play the old security card, use scare tactics, like, "He's weak on defense. You don't want him being weak on defense, do you?" and "He'll raise taxes. We don't like those nasty taxes, do we?" and every trick in the book. This is going to be dirty, and he'll scrape by. Then, if you think things are bad now, just wait and see. It'll be his second term, and he won't have to worry about getting re-elected.

If you had read what I had posted..I said..providing for the common defense is CONSTITUTIONAL...universal healthcare is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL....
Um yeah, can you please explain to me how it's unconstitutional?

And your earlier post, the one about paying for insurance rather than taxes for healthcare? Tell me something -- are you stupid or just ignorant? Think instead of just reacting.

If there was universal healthcare, you would not need health insurance!!! 'Cause your needs would be covered by what you pay in taxes. If you get sick and need to be hospitalized, it would not cost you extra; if you need medication, it's government subsidized. All that would be left for insurance to cover is elective surgery, and last time I checked, insurance that the "common working people" can afford does not cover elective surgery. So sorry.

And you're talking about planning -- you tell me how a construction worker (for instance) can put back enough money from his minimum wage to plan for even a minor illness, let alone retirement. And let's talk about accidents: how do you plan for that? "Let's see: on June 12, 2005, I shall have a brick wall collapse on me, so perhaps I should put back enough to live on for a bit.... Maybe a month, maybe the rest of my life, who knows? Let's plan for it anyway."

Um yeah, can you please explain to me how it's unconstitutional?

I think that the mistake that you are making is that there is a difference between not constitutional and unconstitutional.

Not constitutional means that it is not mandated by the constitution. Example : Having a car is not constitutional

Unconstitutional means against the mandate of the constitution.
Example : taking away the fire arms of american citizens is unconstitutional.

You should really understand the terms you are using before you call someone stupid.

Thank you for your time.

He found it within himself to execute retarded people when he was the governor of Texas

He found it within himself to execute retarded people when he was the governor of Texas

Not familiar with every criminal executed...nor with the death penalty case you are referring to..but if indeed said person was tried in a court of law, defended by competent counsel, prosecuted by all legal means, and a jury of 12 Texans found that person guilty of the crime for which charged, and said Jury of Texan citizens deemed it worth the Death Penalty, I fail to see where it involves Bush jr?.

Seems to me you're problem is with the 12 Texans who convicted him?

I believe he could have stopped the execution if he wanted to.

He's just like every other president. You're all delusional to think that Kerry will be any better.
By that reasoning just change them up every four years? Why bother voting even?

I believe he could have stopped the execution if he wanted to.

If he wanted too?..sure...perhaps..but then again...he'd be going against the will of the people of Texas and the 12 jurors who considered and applied the death penalty..if there were some mitigating circumstances such as incompetent counsel...new evidence indicating the person didn't do it....now that would be sufficient cause for a governor to communte a sentence of death....

I repeat...the person has a problem with the 12 Texans who convicted the criminal....right?

I believe he could have stopped the execution if he wanted to.

If he wanted too?..sure...perhaps..but then again...he'd be going against the will of the people of Texas and the 12 jurors who considered and applied the death penalty..if there were some mitigating circumstances such as incompetent counsel...new evidence indicating the person didn't do it....now that would be sufficient cause for a governor to communte a sentence of death....

I repeat...the person has a problem with the 12 Texans who convicted the criminal....right?
Death penalties are dead wrong, especially if there has been a mistake made or there has been a traversty of justice. A few mistakes is ok?

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

12% is not 12 million.

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

Red herring..I happen to work for hospital network....illegals are killing us with Medicaid and other Medicaid HMO's...I've had to have ER's shut down because illegals know that by Federal Law we can't turn away anyone, so they'll come in for such little things as a cold.....it takes away valuable resources for LEGAL citizens who have to utilize Medicaid or Medicaid HMO's or if they obtain Medicare while on Disability.

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

12% is not 12 million.

12% what are you talking about?

He said 12 million.....

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

12% is not 12 million.

12% what are you talking about?

He said 12 million.....

12% of our population are hispanic, most illegal. That's our healthcare dilemma in a nutshell.

everything worng with u.s.

well in a sense close but no real cegar

it's not about faces or personalities
it's about policy and the entrenchment of corruption

the same corruption that has wanted to run things all along
put bush in power on the undersanding that he permit it to
become entrenched as indeed he has

there is a very high probability this same corruption had a major
hand in crafting the events of 0-11
and it is this same corruption and
not bush himself that is running
things now.
but as long as mr shrubbery's backside warms the chair in OUR
oval office (yes i live in the u.s., and mr shrubbery does NOT
represent me, nor i believe a
majority of the will of the american people) they do so with his blessing.

who are these corruption that scratches mr bush's back while he
scratches their's?

the are quasi-legitimate bussiness intrests with absolutely no more
moral backbone then organized crime
which they are neither distinguish
able nor entirely sepperate from.

we all know some of the names like dick cheney and carl rove
but even there it isn't the names that matters but what is done
and with how much flagrant disreguard for the moral responsibility
to avoid causing harm.

to say it is about oil is not untrue but even that IS something
of an oversimplification.

this corruption pretends to be the will of fanatical christianity
and exerts much of it's influence through those channels

there is little doubt in my mind that were some other belief dominant
they would just as readdily lay claim to that one

they are the big money that want people to believe they are being
'conservative' when they buy their brainwashing and play into their hands

they are the same they that gave us nixxon and raygun

they are also the same they that gave us khomani and even hitler and
stalin.

nothing so deep dark and mysterios (and dismissable as loonacy) as some
puttative bavarian luminati, for they are no monolithic brotherhood
of theives, but rather fellow travellers who exploit the convenience of the moment to further
each their own ends, whether those ends be simple greed or vengence.

this is what we have warming the chair in OUR oval office.
mr shrubbery who no one else but this corruption put there is himself
little more then their 'poster boy'. it is the karl roves and
ken ley's who are running the show
with his face to lie and hide behind.
so whether mr shrubbery himself runns with that crowd or is merely
a wannabe commissioner of baseball they've conned into fronting for them
as long as he is in power his policies represent the will of
corruption and do nothing positive for the well being of humanity nor the planet

the invasion of iraq, largely to control it's oil, but also to take
personal vengence on the part of mr shrubber, a bone the entrenchment
of corruption has thrown to him,
is but one example of the kind of
harm these forces are completely indifferent to the causing of.

protest is good, but the avoidance of our thoughtlessly
choosen priorities creating a market for this entrenched corruption
would be even better.

every penny you spend is also a vote
and we need to REALLY think about what we are voting for with them

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Dude, your a FREAK!!

What's wrong with you? You need to get on some powerful medication man, what is this stuff your posting? I blame the National Enquirer, but that's just me...

I'm serious, you hardcore liberals are scarin the crap out of me. All I ever hear is how Bush plotted 9/11, how it was some sort of way to put him in power. You got some problems guys....

Now, you know that Bush will be elected again, and when he does I will procede to throw my dung in your face.

Enjoy another 4 years of Conservatism and an awesome Republican! Can't wait!

I'm serious, you hardcore liberals are scarin the crap out of me. All I ever hear is how Bush plotted 9/11, how it was some sort of way to put him in power. You got some problems guys....

If this is all you hear, then you've had your head in the sand - not an uncommon affliction these days.

Now, you know that Bush will be elected again, and when he does I will procede to throw my dung in your face.

No, we don't know that Bush will be elected again, many of us still have hope. But, don't let that stop you from behaving like a little partisan chimp.

Enjoy another 4 years of Conservatism and an awesome Republican! Can't wait!

Bush is not a conservative, he's a neoconservative. If you want to argue the point, perhaps you'll tell me how he's made the government any smaller or saved the US any money.

Don't tarnish the reputation of conservatives so.

Bush is not a conservative, he's a neoconservative. If you want to argue the point, perhaps you'll tell me how he's made the government any smaller or saved the US any money.

Don't tarnish the reputation of conservatives so. Hear Hear, Bush is no more a true Republican than Rush Limbah is a Liberal... Hounstly... John Mc.Cain, Barry Goldwater, they were/are REAL Rep7ublicans... The core values of being a conservtive is to 'conserve' Bush and the Neocons are, if anything, Radicals. Yes, They have made hyper Spending, They Increase, not decrease the size of government, The have decreased, not increased state rights... They are slashing the very core of what was once a great party.

i like bush hes a good president

Bush is everything wrong with the US.

Not true at all. My laundry soap made all my shirts too scratchy and I'm reasonably sure he has nothing to do with it.

(Useless post, I apologize)

no- but he didnt make the soap any better

Just saw what is happening in the world. Must be a good reason :twisted:
Never liked Hitler weather he speaks German or Texan :wink:

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

12% is not 12 million.

12% what are you talking about?

He said 12 million.....

12% of our population are hispanic, most illegal. That's our healthcare dilemma in a nutshell.

Same as Jews were the problem with Germany in the 30's? Playing "blame the minority game' sure is fun, isn't it?

4 More Years!
4 More Years!
4 More Years!


Go W!

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

We're not all Americans here, I'm Australian

if we hadn't over 12 million illegal Mexicans in the US draining our valuable resources we might be able to do more for our legal citizens.

Silly me and I thought the fact that the insurence industry usually logs 20-35% net profit per year.

Ok I do want to know.

How is that 12 million illegal immigrants take so much that over 1/3 of the country either does not have insurence(number I saw was 43 million) or they have inadequat coverage(50 million).

Wait a tick. Most often sited reason. Costs too much.

Sorry the Illegal immigrant argument is a red herring.

12% is not 12 million.

12% what are you talking about?

He said 12 million.....

12% of our population are hispanic, most illegal. That's our healthcare dilemma in a nutshell.

Same as Jews were the problem with Germany in the 30's? Playing "blame the minority game' sure is fun, isn't it?

Ahm....no..because probably the Jews were working for their healthcare. Tell you what..come down to Brownsville TX, or Albequrque NM or hell..most any urban city in the Southeast/Southwest...I won't use my hospital as one might think that I'm biased...Hospitals are being killed by illegals using ER medical facilities because they know we cant turn them away by Federal Law...I'd be happy to give to you the numbers crunched by my CFO as to how much we lose each year or have to apply to Charity Care?

4 More Years!
4 More Years!
4 More Years!


Go W!

Ya mean 4 more Wars?

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

We didn't. He was appointed President by the Supreme Court in a mad power grab led by Antony Scalia. He lost the popular vote and he will this time, too. Does that mean he won't be President? Not if Karl Rove has anything to say about it.

Democracy may not be dead in the United States, but it's on a respirator and is in a vegetative state.

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

We didn't. He was appointed President by the Supreme Court in a mad power grab led by Antony Scalia. He lost the popular vote and he will this time, too. Does that mean he won't be President? Not if Karl Rove has anything to say about it.

Democracy may not be dead in the United States, but it's on a respirator and is in a vegetative state.

aHMM..no.we did elect him...he won the necessary Electoral College votes necessary for election..this is a Republic, not a Democracy. As to the popular vote..Gore won it by such a slim margin it wasn't even funny..and since I hail from Tennessee and know the worth of the Gores..trust me.. we got a better President in Bush then we'd have if we elected Gore.

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

We didn't. He was appointed President by the Supreme Court in a mad power grab led by Antony Scalia. He lost the popular vote and he will this time, too. Does that mean he won't be President? Not if Karl Rove has anything to say about it.

Democracy may not be dead in the United States, but it's on a respirator and is in a vegetative state.

aHMM..no.we did elect him...he won the necessary Electoral College votes necessary for election..this is a Republic, not a Democracy. As to the popular vote..Gore won it by such a slim margin it wasn't even funny..and since I hail from Tennessee and know the worth of the Gores..trust me.. we got a better President in Bush then we'd have if we elected Gore.

Yes, after Florida threw out all a substantial number of votes, Scalia decided that it was time for the process to be over. Regardless of the electoral college vote, there is a problem when a candidate can win the popular election and not be the elected President. It reinforces the notion that your vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference, at the very least. So no, WE didn't elect him. The electoral college may have elected him (which is still in debate) but he was ultimately appointed by the Supreme Court.

i'm english and i'm just curious, if so many people hate george bush and agree that he is a mindless moron with a powerful daddy, how the hell did u guys let him get into power.

coz, really, if he wasn't put there in the first place, iraq, afganistan, all that stuff, mite not have happened at all.

We didn't. He was appointed President by the Supreme Court in a mad power grab led by Antony Scalia. He lost the popular vote and he will this time, too. Does that mean he won't be President? Not if Karl Rove has anything to say about it.

Democracy may not be dead in the United States, but it's on a respirator and is in a vegetative state.

aHMM..no.we did elect him...he won the necessary Electoral College votes necessary for election..this is a Republic, not a Democracy. As to the popular vote..Gore won it by such a slim margin it wasn't even funny..and since I hail from Tennessee and know the worth of the Gores..trust me.. we got a better President in Bush then we'd have if we elected Gore.

Yes, after Florida threw out all a substantial number of votes, Scalia decided that it was time for the process to be over. Regardless of the electoral college vote, there is a problem when a candidate can win the popular election and not be the elected President. It reinforces the notion that your vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference, at the very least. So no, WE didn't elect him. The electoral college may have elected him (which is still in debate) but he was ultimately appointed by the Supreme Court.

Oh..you mean the thousands of military mail in ballots the Democrats were going to disallow?..those votes of men/women serving our nation?
those votes?...or the ones where they came up as convicted felons?

Oh..you mean the thousands of military mail in ballots the Democrats were going to disallow?..those votes of men/women serving our nation?
those votes?...or the ones where they came up as convicted felons?

Actually, I was referring to the thousands of minority votes that the Republicans threw out and the votes that allegedly came up as felons, but in fact were not. But sure, let's count the military ballots as well. Of course, that makes it harder to fix an election, but hey, I'm sure Jeb would have thought of a way...well, in between sleeping around on his wife and using drugs, I imagine he would have had the time.

I do nott care what you say what polls or anyone else says, becuase bookies have Bush as the odds on favorite to win the 2004 election.

http://www.wsex.com/market/USPRES-ELECT2004.html

Bookies for bush! :roll:

Bookies and the energy companies and his daddies rich friends. It's a pitty so many gullible people still believe his lies. He is a major embarrasment for the US. He is the worst president the US has EVER had.

Oh..you mean the thousands of military mail in ballots the Democrats were going to disallow?..those votes of men/women serving our nation?
those votes?...or the ones where they came up as convicted felons?

Actually, I was referring to the thousands of minority votes that the Republicans threw out and the votes that allegedly came up as felons, but in fact were not. But sure, let's count the military ballots as well. Of course, that makes it harder to fix an election, but hey, I'm sure Jeb would have thought of a way...well, in between sleeping around on his wife and using drugs, I imagine he would have had the time.

Allegedly came up as felons?..how bout..outright proven as convicted felons...and those military ballots...95% Bush..that's why the Democrats wanted to have them dropped...and tried to get them disapproved on some stupid technicality over when their Commanding Officers signed off on the ballots.

Allegedly came up as felons?..how bout..outright proven as convicted felons...and those military ballots...95% Bush..that's why the Democrats wanted to have them dropped...and tried to get them disapproved on some stupid technicality over when their Commanding Officers signed off on the ballots.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0527-03.htm

Read and learn something about the alleged felon voters.

As for the military votes, the Democrats actually did urge them to be counted as well:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15611

However, even if they hadn't, UNDER FLORIDA'S OWN LAW, many of those balots were inappropriate and inadmissable, yet were still counted:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A1225-2001Jul15&notFound=true


Finally, where are you getting your 95% figure from?

Oh..you mean the thousands of military mail in ballots the Democrats were going to disallow?..those votes of men/women serving our nation?
those votes?...or the ones where they came up as convicted felons?

Actually, I was referring to the thousands of minority votes that the Republicans threw out and the votes that allegedly came up as felons, but in fact were not. But sure, let's count the military ballots as well. Of course, that makes it harder to fix an election, but hey, I'm sure Jeb would have thought of a way...well, in between sleeping around on his wife and using drugs, I imagine he would have had the time.

Allegedly came up as felons?..how bout..outright proven as convicted felons...

How about, no. Maybe you ought to look into what you're talking about before you type next time.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=55&row=2

Sorry for swiping your source, Incertonia.

No..I looked at it..ok..let me rephrase it...even their own records indicate in florida 31%...almost a 3rd of the male minority population are felons. and in some districts apparently some got away with voting..so it just proves the list may have been inaccurate..that I'll certainly agree on...but how many of those misdemeanors would have been felonies but merely "plead" down by an overworked Prosecuting attorney?...It's not my fault if 1 out of ever 3 Black or Hispanic males decided to commit felonies i the State of Florida...

No..I looked at it..ok..let me rephrase it...even their own records indicate in florida 31%...almost a 3rd of the male minority population are felons. and in some districts apparently some got away with voting..so it just proves the list may have been inaccurate..that I'll certainly agree on...but how many of those misdemeanors would have been felonies but merely "plead" down by an overworked Prosecuting attorney?...It's not my fault if 1 out of ever 3 Black or Hispanic males decided to commit felonies i the State of Florida...

Heh, your interpretations mean nothing. I can pull idle speculation out of my -ss too, but it has no place here. Put up facts or back down - I think there are few people here who care to hear what constitutes logic to you in the place of substance.

No..I looked at it..ok..let me rephrase it...even their own records indicate in florida 31%...almost a 3rd of the male minority population are felons. and in some districts apparently some got away with voting..so it just proves the list may have been inaccurate..that I'll certainly agree on...but how many of those misdemeanors would have been felonies but merely "plead" down by an overworked Prosecuting attorney?...It's not my fault if 1 out of ever 3 Black or Hispanic males decided to commit felonies i the State of Florida...

Whoa, cowboy, that was some truly impressive logical leaping. Where to start on this one.

1. 1100 legitimate voters were turned away due to Florida's mishandling of the election. It's all right to not count these votes but we should count the late/unsigned/unwitnessed/double votes from overseas ballots?

2. What in the name of all that's holy does that 31% figure have to do with anything? Yes, it proves that in some districts, felons MAY have voted. Therefore we should have just thrown the entire state of Florida's votes out?

3. I don't know how many felonies might have been pled down, but what an absurd and subjective criteria to base an argument on. I'm sure you would also support the idea that felons should be able to vote because, it's possible that they MAY have been incorrectly convicted?

4. Again, why are you throwing racial numbers at this argument? It may not be your fault that 1 out of 3 Black or Hispanic males decided to commit a crime (although I am not willing to accept that number either), but it is certainly your fault if you turn a blind or accepting eye to very obvious, very public racisim.