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I have heard countless attacks on Bush, so I don't want to hear any here. What I want to know is what makes Kerry so bad? He is despised by many.

He wants to stay in Iraq longer.

He doesn't want to provide a free, universal health care system like the majority of the world has.

He is boring.

But, I would still vote for him, even though I'd like Nader to win, but that won't happen. Anybody but Bush.

Why is Kerry so bad?
Because he isnt Bush.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.

for bush is the same as against kerry and vice versa you dumbass. man who gives a toss about the US election anyway?

Unlike Bush Who will stay the course even if its the wrong one?
Hearing Bush say he will stay the course and "Wont be intimidated" Disturbs me. Because I wonder If he means he is just going to continue as if these uprisings are no big deal and stick the "June 30 deadline"

Because that would be the stupidest course. It would mean the reasons even they went to war for would be be wasted and they wouldnt get what they wanted. And destroy one of the only countires in the Mid-east that comes close to being Secular.

Because that would be the tupidest course.

The stupidest course would be to cut and run.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.
Name one.

Not a long list, just one. And don't cut and paste, explain in your own words.

Unlike Bush Who will stay the course even if its the wrong one?
Hearing Bush say he will stay the course and "Wont be intimidated" Disturbs me. Because I wonder If he means he is just going to continue as if these uprisings are no big deal and stick the "June 30 deadline"

Because that would be the tupidest course. It would mean the reasons even they went to war for would be be wasted and they wouldnt get what they wanted.The Iraqis need to tend to their own affairs at some point. The Iraqis who want democracy need to shoot it out with those who do not. I assume, for example, that a majority, or at least a large plurality, of Sunni and Shiite citizens want religious freedom, in that they can civilly practice their forms of religion without killing each other in the process. The same goes for protecting minorities: Christians and Kurds, for example. But the U.S. cannot force a democratic government to function after it is installed. We may have been running Germany after World War II, but does anyone know when the civil government was turned over to the people? ~ Michael.

U.S. leaves Iraq=massive civil war and genocide, country drops into total anarchy till eventually a new dictator x10 as ruthless takes over and viciously murders anyone who opposes him(or her, this is the new millenium)

Damn right. And thats what I see the June deadline as being.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.
Name one.

Not a long list, just one. And don't cut and paste, explain in your own words.Kerry touts his Vietnam War record when he protested it back in the day. He voted to give Bush the power he needed to do things like invade Iraq, and he supports the troops, so he says, but voted against funding their operations after they were in Iraq. ~ Michael.

He wants to stay in Iraq
He supports strengthening the numbers in our army by involuntary methods
He supported the Patriot Act
He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for others
He is against gay marriage
Huh...and I'm talking about Kerry, right?
http://www.candidatemap.com/cm/#
there are plenty of other reasons as well- like being a slimy, vile, filthy man.
You shouldn't include answers in your poll like "voting against Bush" or "voting against Kerry" Because if you punch the little hole next to their name, that's who you're SUPPORTING. You can't say "well I didn't really vote for Kerry, I just really hated Bush." Find someone you do like, don't sell yourself out for such a loser. If you vote for Kerry- you're voting for him. (same goes for Bush)
EDIT: I'm voting against both of them, and FOR the Libertarian Candidate- probably Gary Nolan, though I'd vote for whoever won the candidacy. Somehow when your party bases its politics on principles (instead of GOD only knows what it is Kerry bases his on...his wife's mood ring maybe) then the candidates will all be pretty similar.

He wants to stay in Iraq
He supports strengthening the numbers in our army by involuntary methods
He supported the Patriot Act
He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for others
He is against gay marriage
Huh...and I'm talking about Kerry, right?
http://www.candidatemap.com/cm/#
there are plenty of other reasons as well- like being a slimy, vile, filthy man.
You shouldn't include answers in your poll like "voting against Bush" or "voting against Kerry" Because if you punch the little hole next to their name, that's who you're SUPPORTING. You can't say "well I didn't really vote for Kerry, I just really hated Bush." Find someone you do like, don't sell yourself out for such a loser. If you vote for Kerry- you're voting for him. (same goes for Bush)

I want Kucinich to win! He should run as a independent with Nader as his VP. :)

The Iraqis need to tend to their own affairs at some point. The Iraqis who want democracy need to shoot it out with those who do not. I assume, for example, that a majority, or at least a large plurality, of Sunni and Shiite citizens want religious freedom, in that they can civilly practice their forms of religion without killing each other in the process. The same goes for protecting minorities: Christians and Kurds, for example. But the U.S. cannot force a democratic government to function after it is installed. We may have been running Germany after World War II, but does anyone know when the civil government was turned over to the people? ~ Michael.

Yes but unlike in Iraq, There was a lot of social engineering because they recognised that germany had problems and they needed fixing or else they would be another war. In Iraq there has been halfassed attempts at rebuilding infrastructure and Uppity troops acting as policemen.

A lot more is needed.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.
Name one.

Not a long list, just one. And don't cut and paste, explain in your own words.Kerry touts his Vietnam War record when he protested it back in the day. He voted to give Bush the power he needed to do things like invade Iraq, and he supports the troops, so he says, but voted against funding their operations after they were in Iraq. ~ Michael.

Kerry was one of the few who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act (signed by Clinton in 96), and yet now promotes it as the solution to the Gay Marriage Amendment problem.

Kerry has no set plan he just promises the thing that Americans want most at the time.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.

Yes, lets talk about flip flopping shall we (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132301)

Kerry has no set plan he just promises the thing that Americans want most at the time.

Geez Then I guess its ironic that he's a Democrat. :roll:

The Iraqis need to tend to their own affairs at some point. The Iraqis who want democracy need to shoot it out with those who do not. I assume, for example, that a majority, or at least a large plurality, of Sunni and Shiite citizens want religious freedom, in that they can civilly practice their forms of religion without killing each other in the process. The same goes for protecting minorities: Christians and Kurds, for example. But the U.S. cannot force a democratic government to function after it is installed. We may have been running Germany after World War II, but does anyone know when the civil government was turned over to the people? ~ Michael.Yes but unlike in Iraq, There was a lot of social engineering because they recognised that germany had problems and they needed fixing or else they would be another war. In Iraq there has been halfassed attempts at rebuilding infrastructure and Uppity troops acting as policemen. A lot more is needed.Social engineering, you say? So then you are saying we should force our values on the Iraqis. ~ Michael.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.
Name one.

Not a long list, just one. And don't cut and paste, explain in your own words.Kerry touts his Vietnam War record when he protested it back in the day. He voted to give Bush the power he needed to do things like invade Iraq, and he supports the troops, so he says, but voted against funding their operations after they were in Iraq. ~ Michael.Thats two but never mind.

Iraq, his position is pretty clear. He voted for the war, but now believes that he was wrong because he was mislead by the Bush administration.

Vietnam War record, he fought in Vietnam, but didn't like it. Lots of people don't like war y-know.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.Yes, lets talk about flip flopping shall we (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132301)Bush is, I believe, a born-again Christian. And he kills terrorists. That's why I'm voting for him. ~ Michael.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.
Name one.

Not a long list, just one. And don't cut and paste, explain in your own words.Kerry touts his Vietnam War record when he protested it back in the day. He voted to give Bush the power he needed to do things like invade Iraq, and he supports the troops, so he says, but voted against funding their operations after they were in Iraq. ~ Michael.

Kerry was one of the few who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act (signed by Clinton in 96), and yet now promotes it as the solution to the Gay Marriage Amendment problem.Defence of Marriage is bad, but better than Gay Marriage Amendment. When Bush tries to go right, its easier to drag him back to centre than all the way to the left. Its not good but its what there is.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.

Yes, lets talk about flip flopping shall we (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132301)
yeah, there was a great Daily Show segment with a debate between President and Governor GW Bush...maybe I can find a link...

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.Yes, lets talk about flip flopping shall we (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132301)Bush is, I believe, a born-again Christian. And he kills terrorists. That's why I'm voting for him. ~ Michael.I hope that this is a joke.

Gah! Im moving. This country sucks. See all you dumb Christian racist homophobic antisemetic anti environment pro life anti feminist idiots later.
You can take your jingoistic xenophobic wasteful consumerist fat asseed life style and shove it up your fear of minorities and rights to equal education, you fascist deforestation supporting ozone depleting Atkins diet beer guzzling delusional Jesus talking nuts.
Civil rights and the environment are more important than anything.
Because when you start taking rights away from women and gays, you might get a liberal who takes away your guns and your Jesus, you hypocritical oafs.
And if you keep shirking the restrictions on pollution and warnings of global warming and overpopulation and lack of water to go around, you'll regret it when all of your low flush toilets need to have their water recycled for your Republican and Democrat corporate Dasani Coke water bottles.
This country is a disgrace, and I'm ashamed to be here. We account for 75% of the worlds waste, and consume at least 33% of it's products.
The saddest thing is that the rest of the world isn't that much better for the environment, only for civil rights.
At least in other places they keep their Bibullshït to themselves and admit that their grandiose delusions come from fabricated stolen mythologies.

All you idiots talk about is Iraq, you've already forgotten about Afghanistan and threats against fellow UN members, the fact that we were the only ones not to sign the landmine treaty, and the hypocritcal government involvement in Kyoto steel tarrifs.

You people are twits and are easy prey for the american government to manipulate and distract. Just follow the flag and the cross you ignore all but what people want you to see.

GAAAAAH. I hate you all. I'm leaving this country for a better one.

The Iraqis need to tend to their own affairs at some point. The Iraqis who want democracy need to shoot it out with those who do not. I assume, for example, that a majority, or at least a large plurality, of Sunni and Shiite citizens want religious freedom, in that they can civilly practice their forms of religion without killing each other in the process. The same goes for protecting minorities: Christians and Kurds, for example. But the U.S. cannot force a democratic government to function after it is installed. We may have been running Germany after World War II, but does anyone know when the civil government was turned over to the people? ~ Michael.Yes but unlike in Iraq, There was a lot of social engineering because they recognised that germany had problems and they needed fixing or else they would be another war. In Iraq there has been halfassed attempts at rebuilding infrastructure and Uppity troops acting as policemen. A lot more is needed.Social engineering, you say? So then you are saying we should force our values on the Iraqis. ~ Michael.

Good enough for Bush isnt it? It probably wouldnt work as well because the problem here is a lot of Clerics telling the people what to think. And the coaltion has failed to protect their allies effectively.
But people Arent gonna accept Democracy if they are feeling hopeless and they have a people telling them the easy answers.

I thought the entire point of this little foray was to bring democracy to the Iraqi's Of crouse After WMD's, Links to terrorism and Avenging raq's Human rights record.

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.I do not believe John Kerry would lower taxes on lower middle class shmoes like me. I say it again: Eight years of Clinton, a booming economy, and government surpluses...I got squat in tax cuts. Two years of Bush, I got a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate reduction. ~ Michael.

Kerry flip flops on all issues. ~ Michael.Yes, lets talk about flip flopping shall we (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132301)Bush is, I believe, a born-again Christian. And he kills terrorists. That's why I'm voting for him. ~ Michael.

Then say that, don't accuse Kerry of some thing that Bush has done just as often if not more. Don't forget Kerry has a much longer record and history in government then Bush does.

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?player=realplayer&type=v&quality=high&reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_7131.html

How's this for flipp flopping?

Born again Christian, mithraist, cultist, Christian extremist, it's all the same to me. You dumb Christians need to understand that you are the new cult religion on the block, and that you don't push people around like your ancestors always had the same delusions you did.

Because really, let's stone our children if they don't listen to our indoctrined dogma, you narrow minded monotheistic twit. Or are you polytheistic. You Christians never can tell me whether Jesus is his own daddy, or whether he has 2 forms. Maybe if you didn't deify people like Pythagoras and his cult [which incidentally also encouraged loving thy neighbor and said that he could walk on water and that his mother was also a virgin and that he did raise others from the dead] you wouldnt have these lapses of complete ignorance and inability to think ahead.

Kerry is a loser because he is ugly. Bush is a dumbass, and should not be President.

So when it comes to voting, I'm screwed.

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.I do not believe John Kerry would lower taxes on lower middle class shmoes like me. I say it again: Eight years of Clinton, a booming economy, and government surpluses...I got squat in tax cuts. Two years of Bush, I got a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate reduction. ~ Michael.
You're obviously in the top 1% SCUM
oh, by the way...can I have a job? I can't do much, but if you can just give me some money....that'd be great....

sorry...server is getting crowded...

THIS god, has spoken. Ya, I am god. Cause I can do magic tricks too. But so can david blane. So blow me, and watch me steal the mythology from Jews and Mithraists and Egyptians.

Oh Osiris, ressurected from the dead, judge in the beyond blah blah blah.

I love mythology. But Christian mythology? So oppressive. And naive too. Can't stand it at all. It's not even the slightest bit original. I mean, hemaphroditic angels and gods? Come on. That was so done before by greeks and mesopatamians.

Born again Christian, mithraist, cultist, Christian extremist, it's all the same to me. You dumb Christians need to understand that you are the new cult religion on the block, and that you don't push people around like your ancestors always had the same delusions you did.

Because really, let's stone our children if they don't listen to our indoctrined dogma, you narrow minded monotheistic twit. Or are you polytheistic. You Christians never can tell me whether Jesus is his own daddy, or whether he has 2 forms. Maybe if you didn't deify people like Pythagoras and his cult [which incidentally also encouraged loving thy neighbor and said that he could walk on water and that his mother was also a virgin and that he did raise others from the dead] you wouldnt have these lapses of complete ignorance and inability to think ahead.Wow...your post sounds more hate-filled and condescending than anything I post. Two cheers for tolerance! ~ Michael.

Born again Christian, mithraist, cultist, Christian extremist, it's all the same to me. You dumb Christians need to understand that you are the new cult religion on the block, and that you don't push people around like your ancestors always had the same delusions you did.

Because really, let's stone our children if they don't listen to our indoctrined dogma, you narrow minded monotheistic twit. Or are you polytheistic. You Christians never can tell me whether Jesus is his own daddy, or whether he has 2 forms. Maybe if you didn't deify people like Pythagoras and his cult [which incidentally also encouraged loving thy neighbor and said that he could walk on water and that his mother was also a virgin and that he did raise others from the dead] you wouldnt have these lapses of complete ignorance and inability to think ahead.Wow...your post sounds more hate-filled and condescending than anything I post. Two cheers for tolerance! I do not support killing people because they are not Christian. America is a kingdom of this world. It is not the Church. The Church does not need to kill people to perpetuate the faith. ~ Michael.

Kerry is a loser because he is ugly. Bush is a dumbass, and should not be President.

So when it comes to voting, I'm screwed.
well if ugly is a problem for you, there's no WAY I could convince you to vote libertarian...

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.I do not believe John Kerry would lower taxes on lower middle class shmoes like me. I say it again: Eight years of Clinton, a booming economy, and government surpluses...I got squat in tax cuts. Two years of Bush, I got a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate reduction. ~ Michael.And an economy thats running itself into the ground. Also, if you have any children, savings outside of the 401K, are paying for childcare or a whole bunch of other things I forget, you'd be better off under a democrat's tax plan.


Incidently, have you checked out Kerry's tax plan?

www.johnkerry.com

Point number 1 on the budget:

1: Cut Middle Class Taxes: John Kerry will not raise taxes on middle class Americans by one dime - he will cut them, including tax cuts to make health care and education more affordable.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0407b.html

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.I do not believe John Kerry would lower taxes on lower middle class shmoes like me. I say it again: Eight years of Clinton, a booming economy, and government surpluses...I got squat in tax cuts. Two years of Bush, I got a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate reduction. ~ Michael.You're obviously in the top 1% SCUM oh, by the way...can I have a job? I can't do much, but if you can just give me some money....that'd be great....I work as a cashier at a gas station. If that's your idea of the top one percent... ~ Michael.

He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for othersLowering them for those who need the money and paying it by raising them on those who can afford it.I do not believe John Kerry would lower taxes on lower middle class shmoes like me. I say it again: Eight years of Clinton, a booming economy, and government surpluses...I got squat in tax cuts. Two years of Bush, I got a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate reduction. ~ Michael.You're obviously in the top 1% SCUM oh, by the way...can I have a job? I can't do much, but if you can just give me some money....that'd be great....I work as a cashier at a gas station. If that's your idea of the top one percent... ~ Michael.

I. CUT TAXES FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES.
Middle class families have been squeezed in the Bush economy. The typical worker has seen his or her inflation-adjusted real wages fall by more than $1,200 under President Bush. On average, jobs in growing industries pay $9,000 less than jobs in contracting industries. At the same time, workers are paying 49 percent higher health care premiums and families are paying 28 percent more for college tuition. Therefore, Kerry starts his budget principles with a basic pledge. Kerry:
Won't Raise Taxes for Families Making Less than $200,000. John Kerry believes that at a time when working families face higher costs just to stay in the middle class, these families need tax cuts. Kerry will not raise taxes for any American family making less than $200,000. In fact, he will cut taxes for middle class families.


At Least $225 Billion in New Middle Class Tax Cuts for Health and Education. John Kerry will use some of the money from the repeal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy - families making over $200,000 - to pay for tax credits to make college more affordable and help small businesses and vulnerable workers pay for healthcare. The college tax cut is about $50 billion over ten years and the health tax cuts are worth $177 billion over ten years.


Will Pay For Additional Tax Cut Initiatives. Any additional tax cuts Kerry proposes - to stimulate job creation or relieve the middle-class squeeze - will be paid for by closing corporate loopholes. In 2003, 7.4 percent of Federal taxes were paid by corporations - this is the second lowest share on record. As a result, more taxes were shifted over to middle-class families. John Kerry will end this inequity, keeping corporations from avoiding the taxes they owe while cutting income taxes for families and investing in tax cuts for job creation.

I work as a cashier at a gas station. If that's your idea of the top one percent... ~ Michael.

Isnt it ironic that The people Who most often Vote conservative Are the ones who will be hurt by it most.

Kerry's tax cuts, if he indeed would pass any, would cut your taxes only if you need health care or education. If you happen to stay healthy all year, and if you do not go to college, then you get nothing. You will pay the same rate. That is not a tax cut. ~ Michael.

oh, nice link there Spoffin, with Kerry's newest ad right there up front
Oh wait, it's not an ad for Kerry
It's an ad against Bush
So I guess I'm doing what Kerry wants by not voting for Bush
There's another problem with Kerry- dirty campaigning- like he doesn't have anything good to say about himself, so he just hopes he can get you to vote against Bush...What a loser
Well they've both succeeded- I'm voting against Bush, and I'm also voting against Kerry! Congrats, guys, great campaign strat

I work as a cashier at a gas station. If that's your idea of the top one percent... ~ Michael.

Isnt it ironic that The people Who most often Vote conservative Are the ones who will be hurt by it most.
Funny...I see the same thing in democrats...

then after a month or so, see how their netions are doing then we will know who's the better president lol
;-)
</sarcasm>

I work as a cashier at a gas station. If that's your idea of the top one percent... ~ Michael.Isnt it ironic that The people Who most often Vote conservative Are the ones who will be hurt by it most.I was harmed by a $300 tax rebate and a tax rate cut? No, I am harmed by Social Security payroll taxes. I do not believe I will ever see Social Security paid to me by the time I am retired. The system will be insolvent. I am harmed when state and federal governments tell health insurance providers that they must cover this and that procedure, every new procedure under the sun, when I am quite capable, thank you very much, of entering into a contract that specifies what kind of care will be covered for me. I am harmed when higher education's tuitions keep rising because college officials know they can get money from the state coming from one end and federally guaranteed student loans coming from the other end. I am harmed when the federal government is paying farmers for useless subsidies, when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame gets $800,000 in federal grants. That is what harms me. ~ Michael.

GAAAAAH. I hate you all. I'm leaving this country for a better one.
Don't let the door smack you on the way out.

I have heard countless attacks on Bush, so I don't want to hear any here. What I want to know is what makes Kerry so bad? He is despised by many.

He is a traitor to his country... Yes, inspite of his past service record. He will be remembered just as Jane Fonda has been remembered for Nam.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

He wants to stay in Iraq
He supports strengthening the numbers in our army by involuntary methods
He supported the Patriot Act
He supports rasing taxes for some and lowering them for others
He is against gay marriage
Huh...and I'm talking about Kerry, right?
http://www.candidatemap.com/cm/#
there are plenty of other reasons as well- like being a slimy, vile, filthy man.
You shouldn't include answers in your poll like "voting against Bush" or "voting against Kerry" Because if you punch the little hole next to their name, that's who you're SUPPORTING. You can't say "well I didn't really vote for Kerry, I just really hated Bush." Find someone you do like, don't sell yourself out for such a loser. If you vote for Kerry- you're voting for him. (same goes for Bush)

I want Kucinich to win! He should run as a independent with Nader as his VP. :)

Ha ha ha ha ha..(pointing at the computer screen)...kucinich!?...what a effing douche..ha ha ha ha....is this kid for real?....ha ha ha ha ha ha....I can't stop laughing! :lol:

I have heard countless attacks on Bush, so I don't want to hear any here. What I want to know is what makes Kerry so bad? He is despised by many.

He is a traitor to his country... Yes, inspite of his past service record. He will be remembered just as Jane Fonda has been remembered for Nam.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Stop trying to connect him to Jane Fonda....he dennounced her remarks right after she made them.

Also, there's nothing wrong with protesting a war...if Kerry's a traitor, then Bush is even more of a traitor because he didn't even go to Nam. He hid out in the Natl. Guard because of his daddy's influence instead.

I have heard countless attacks on Bush, so I don't want to hear any here. What I want to know is what makes Kerry so bad? He is despised by many.

He is a traitor to his country... Yes, inspite of his past service record. He will be remembered just as Jane Fonda has been remembered for Nam.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Stop trying to connect him to Jane Fonda....he dennounced her remarks right after she made them.

Also, there's nothing wrong with protesting a war...if Kerry's a traitor, then Bush is even more of a traitor because he didn't even go to Nam. He hid out in the Natl. Guard because of his daddy's influence instead.


As if kerry woudn't have gotten out of Nam if only he had the chance. In fact, I believe some one posted a story about kerry trying to get out of going a long time ago. kerry admitted to burning down the houses of innocent viet cong civilians during his service. Some effing "war hero."

As if kerry woudn't have gotten out of Nam if only he had the chance. In fact, I believe some one posted a story about kerry trying to get out of going a long time ago. kerry admitted to burning down the houses of innocent viet cong civilians during his service. Some effing "war hero."

As for Kerry getting out of serving, cite it or don't expect us to believe it. Fact is, Bush used the same rich man's dodge he's used his whole life to slide by. He's so out of touch with what's freaking going on in this country and I think he's starting to actually believe his own spin.

And yes, Kerry admitted that. Still, bush has bombed an entire country back into the stone age and still hasn't managed to find a single weapon of mass destruction. I guess everyone has blood on their hands, don't they?

I have heard countless attacks on Bush, so I don't want to hear any here. What I want to know is what makes Kerry so bad? He is despised by many.

He is a traitor to his country... Yes, inspite of his past service record. He will be remembered just as Jane Fonda has been remembered for Nam.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Stop trying to connect him to Jane Fonda....he dennounced her remarks right after she made them.

Also, there's nothing wrong with protesting a war...if Kerry's a traitor, then Bush is even more of a traitor because he didn't even go to Nam. He hid out in the Natl. Guard because of his daddy's influence instead.


As if kerry woudn't have gotten out of Nam if only he had the chance. In fact, I believe some one posted a story about kerry trying to get out of going a long time ago. kerry admitted to burning down the houses of innocent viet cong civilians during his service. Some effing "war hero."

Trying to get out of going? Boy have you got your facts wrong. Kerry was naive enough to consider going to Nam a duty and an honour. And as far as "war heroes" go... whatever he did there still makes him look good compared to a born coward who was hiding on base in his room stuffing his nose with a highly illegal substance or plastered out of his dimwitted mind. :lol:

I, personally, dislike almost all politicians...I mean, like everyone else, they have their flaws.

That's why Garfield the cat should be elected President of the US...

I'd vote for Bush if I was an American voter.

I liked Kerry in he democratic race, but the more I got know him afterwards, the less I liked him. Better than Howard Dean, but then again, if Dean had won we'd have one of the most interesting races EVER.

As far as Kerry's service goes, no one should have the right to attack him on his service record. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. He did more than alot of draft dodging pansies *cough*Dean*cough*. He served in 'Nam even though he may have disagreed with it. He did more than alot of other Americans.

The people in Bush's camp don't seem to actually know what they don't like about Kerry's war record. Do they dislike that he went to war? Or do they dislike that he spoke out against it? (remember here that Nixon, a Republican president, got elected on a pledge to end the Vietnam war) I mean, seriously, if you have a position, thats fine, and I'll talk about that with you, but do you just have to hate him on spec?

Kerry is part of an evil set of triplets which were seperated at birth.

Lurch from the Addams family:
http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/lurch1.jpg

Hermann Munster:
http://members.aol.com/robotweb/john10.gif

John Kerry:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1345000/images/_1349932_kerry150.jpg

LOL!

Ka-Bump.

Sydia: Those first two are not evil
Especially not on John Kerry's level...

As if kerry woudn't have gotten out of Nam if only he had the chance. In fact, I believe some one posted a story about kerry trying to get out of going a long time ago. kerry admitted to burning down the houses of innocent viet cong civilians during his service. Some effing "war hero."

As for Kerry getting out of serving, cite it or don't expect us to believe it. Fact is, Bush used the same rich man's dodge he's used his whole life to slide by. He's so out of touch with what's freaking going on in this country and I think he's starting to actually believe his own spin.

And yes, Kerry admitted that. Still, bush has bombed an entire country back into the stone age and still hasn't managed to find a single weapon of mass destruction. I guess everyone has blood on their hands, don't they?

Yes, Libertarian Liberators's point was that they both would have avoided Nam if they BOTH had the chance.

As if kerry woudn't have gotten out of Nam if only he had the chance. In fact, I believe some one posted a story about kerry trying to get out of going a long time ago. kerry admitted to burning down the houses of innocent viet cong civilians during his service. Some effing "war hero."

As for Kerry getting out of serving, cite it or don't expect us to believe it. Fact is, Bush used the same rich man's dodge he's used his whole life to slide by. He's so out of touch with what's freaking going on in this country and I think he's starting to actually believe his own spin.

And yes, Kerry admitted that. Still, bush has bombed an entire country back into the stone age and still hasn't managed to find a single weapon of mass destruction. I guess everyone has blood on their hands, don't they?

Yes, Libertarian Liberators's point was that they both would have avoided Nam if they BOTH had the chance.Right... but one of them didn't. And there are thousands of other Vietam Vets who didn't want to go, but they all did and I think that should be recognised.

Ok, first off kerry is a vet, so he would be a better president then bush. :roll: COME ON! Why don't we elect his leutenant? I couldn't care less about the canidates past. I only care about their political record. Kerry seems too wishy-washy to be a president. Bush, while I disagree with some of his policies, makes a better canidate IMO.

Anyone else notice that no one is mindlessly voting aganst kerry, but more people are voting mindlessly aganst bush then for Kerry. If it was a retarded monkey vs bush you'd vote for him, and that's kinda sad. You don't REALLY care about the issues, you just don't like republicans.

Anyone else notice that no one is mindlessly voting aganst kerry, but more people are voting mindlessly aganst bush then for Kerry. If it was a retarded monkey vs bush you'd vote for him, and that's kinda sad. You don't REALLY care about the issues, you just don't like republicans.

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Ok, first off kerry is a vet, so he would be a better president then bush. :roll: COME ON! Why don't we elect his leutenant? I couldn't care less about the canidates past. I only care about their political record. Kerry seems too wishy-washy to be a president. Bush, while I disagree with some of his policies, makes a better canidate IMO.

Anyone else notice that no one is mindlessly voting aganst kerry, but more people are voting mindlessly aganst bush then for Kerry. If it was a retarded monkey vs bush you'd vote for him, and that's kinda sad. You don't REALLY care about the issues, you just don't like republicans.I don't just not like Republicans. But I do really hate Bush. Not on spec, not cos he's right wing, but because if he's not stopped soon he's going to blow up the fucking world. So we need him out, and November is nowhere near soon enough IMO.

Also, you wanna talk issues? How about tax breaks for millionaires? How about the environment? How about Iraq? How about the economy? How about education, jobs, healthcare, foreign policy, civil rights, judicial process, and an increasingly panicked and racist country? Are these not issues? Are these not reasons why I might choose to vote one way or the other? Are these issues as much as anything else why I want Kerry to win in November? No? Could you please explain what I'm supposed to be making my decisions on then?

Kerry is not bad. Bush only caters to the rich and does nothing for health care. Bush doesn't admit when he is wrong, he needs to correct some things he has done. Only fools keep beating their head against the wall hoping doing it over and over will make it right. Kerry should replace Bush, and Bush should burn in hell. :twisted: You said don't mention Bush, but the problem with words are that once you have written them they are no longer in your control. I say burn Bush burn.

Ok, here's the deal with Iraq:
Bush went in and took out Saddam. And why not? Saddam is known as a murderer of his own people, something the UN did nothing about because it's a corrupt and useless organization. I don't care if Bush said that the reason we went to war in Iraq was that Uday wore pink bunny slippers, the point is that we took a bad guy out of power.

And while it is sad that many of our troops have to die over there at such a young age, they are in the military. Its in the job description. If there's a war you might die a tragic death and if you do then you're a hero for all of us back at home. Though I have never served in the military, I would readily do so if the need arose. I love our country and would die for it without a second thought.

In conclusion, people need to stop ripping on Bush for doing something that was good for a large amount of people. I do not think the US should be the world's police force, but I do not think we have a choice since no one else will do it.

That is why I support Bush's actions in Iraq.

Ok, here's the deal with Iraq:
Bush went in and took out Saddam. And why not? Saddam is known as a murderer of his own people, something the UN did nothing about because it's a corrupt and useless organization. I don't care if Bush said that the reason we went to war in Iraq was that Uday wore pink bunny slippers, the point is that we took a bad guy out of power.

And while it is sad that many of our troops have to die over there at such a young age, they are in the military. Its in the job description. If there's a war you might die a tragic death and if you do then you're a hero for all of us back at home. Though I have never served in the military, I would readily do so if the need arose. I love our country and would die for it without a second thought.

In conclusion, people need to stop ripping on Bush for doing something that was good for a large amount of people. I do not think the US should be the world's police force, but I do not think we have a choice since no one else will do it.

That is why I support Bush's actions in Iraq.

I hope you're old enough to vote for him too.. and while you're at it.. please DO go sign up right away to be sent to Iraq, because any one with your view should certainly be dying for a war based on a lie with the other fine men and women of the armed services!

People seem to have real problems with understanding this...perhaps it's the poll at the beginning. The question isn't "why is Kerry better than Bush"
many of you are starting to sound like the candidates themselves (sorry. don't mean to flame)
"Kerry is not bad because Bush is stupid and killing the world" is not an acceptable answer
neither is "Kerry is bad because Bush is awesome and roxors"
however "Kerry is bad because I don't agree with [this policy]" is great, as is "Kerry is not bad because he believes in [this policy]"
please follow a logic argument and realize that Kerry being bad and Bush being bad are NOT mutually exclusive

please follow a logic argument and realize that Kerry being bad and Bush being bad are NOT mutually exclusive

I agree, and this is why I am against two-party systems like the US has (practically).

People seem to have real problems with understanding this...perhaps it's the poll at the beginning. The question isn't "why is Kerry better than Bush"
many of you are starting to sound like the candidates themselves (sorry. don't mean to flame)
"Kerry is not bad because Bush is stupid and killing the world" is not an acceptable answer
neither is "Kerry is bad because Bush is awesome and roxors"
however "Kerry is bad because I don't agree with [this policy]" is great, as is "Kerry is not bad because he believes in [this policy]"
please follow a logic argument and realize that Kerry being bad and Bush being bad are NOT mutually exclusiveYes, but you can't deny that many people are voting for Kerry just because they don't want to vote for Bush. Take a close look at the poll again.

Ok, here's the deal with Iraq:
Bush went in and took out Saddam. And why not? Saddam is known as a murderer of his own people, something the UN did nothing about because it's a corrupt and useless organization. I don't care if Bush said that the reason we went to war in Iraq was that Uday wore pink bunny slippers, the point is that we took a bad guy out of power.

Gosh, too bad we were the ones who originally put that same bad guy IN power in the first place. And it's all right for the U.S. to murder Iraqis but the Iraqis can't murder Iraqis? I am a little confused by that.


And while it is sad that many of our troops have to die over there at such a young age, they are in the military. Its in the job description. If there's a war you might die a tragic death and if you do then you're a hero for all of us back at home. Though I have never served in the military, I would readily do so if the need arose. I love our country and would die for it without a second thought.

You're talking about a justified war to defend the shores of the United States, not a dirty little vanity war that was in the planning since day one of this administration's regime. You are also talking about squandering the lives of these young men and women against the wishes of the rest of the world, not to mention against the wishes of the Iraqis themselves who don't seem particularly relieved now that Saddam is out of power. You're right, if you join the military, you must accept that your life may be cut short by an act of violence. However, you should at least have the right to demand that the service is necessary and justified and not be asked to throw your life away for the machinations of one man's mad power grab and greed-fest.


In conclusion, people need to stop ripping on Bush for doing something that was good for a large amount of people.

What large amount of people would this be? The dead Iraqis? The dead Coallition of the Willing servicemen? The dead Spainards in Madrid? The 3000 victims of 9/11 who's attacker still hasn't been brought to justice? The people currently in Iraqi who are now getting hammered from both sides and are caught in what's shaping up to be the bloodiest little conflict since Vietnam? The people of the world who now look on the United States with fear and mistrust? The people of the United States who are no safer than before and are, in fact, in more danger because we have now demonstrated that there is no reasoning with the Bush government so they might as well blow themselves us and as many civilians as they can get close to? Exactly which large amount of people would you be referring to?


I do not think the US should be the world's police force, but I do not think we have a choice since no one else will do it.

Actually, the UN was doing a pretty good job until we decided that international law doesn't apply to us.


That is why I support Bush's actions in Iraq.

Well, you have a right to your opinion, no matter how misinformed, hard-headed, short-sighted or just plain wrong it may be.

People seem to have real problems with understanding this...perhaps it's the poll at the beginning. The question isn't "why is Kerry better than Bush"
many of you are starting to sound like the candidates themselves (sorry. don't mean to flame)
"Kerry is not bad because Bush is stupid and killing the world" is not an acceptable answer
neither is "Kerry is bad because Bush is awesome and roxors"
however "Kerry is bad because I don't agree with [this policy]" is great, as is "Kerry is not bad because he believes in [this policy]"
please follow a logic argument and realize that Kerry being bad and Bush being bad are NOT mutually exclusiveYes, but you can't deny that many people are voting for Kerry just because they don't want to vote for Bush. Take a close look at the poll again.
I did look, that was my point, but that's still not the topic of the thread- if YOU would take a close look at the initial post again you would see he asked just for why Kerry is bad, and specifically requested we NOT list reasons why Bush is bad.
Besides, those people are stupid (as are the people voting for Bush because they hate Kerry) which is part of my point.

People seem to have real problems with understanding this...perhaps it's the poll at the beginning. The question isn't "why is Kerry better than Bush"
many of you are starting to sound like the candidates themselves (sorry. don't mean to flame)
"Kerry is not bad because Bush is stupid and killing the world" is not an acceptable answer
neither is "Kerry is bad because Bush is awesome and roxors"
however "Kerry is bad because I don't agree with [this policy]" is great, as is "Kerry is not bad because he believes in [this policy]"
please follow a logic argument and realize that Kerry being bad and Bush being bad are NOT mutually exclusiveYes, but you can't deny that many people are voting for Kerry just because they don't want to vote for Bush. Take a close look at the poll again.
I did look, that was my point, but that's still not the topic of the thread- if YOU would take a close look at the initial post again you would see he asked just for why Kerry is bad, and specifically requested we NOT list reasons why Bush is bad.
Besides, those people are stupid (as are the people voting for Bush because they hate Kerry) which is part of my point.Apparently, many people have broken that guy's rule: no bad-mouthing Bush. I think this topic is the opposite of the topic "Why is Bush so bad?" which has been nothing but page-after-page of vicious anti-Bush insults. My guess is that he was trying to turn the tables.

Also, you wanna talk issues? How about tax breaks for millionaires? How about the environment? How about Iraq? How about the economy? How about education, jobs, healthcare, foreign policy, civil rights, judicial process, and an increasingly panicked and racist country? Are these not issues? Are these not reasons why I might choose to vote one way or the other? Are these issues as much as anything else why I want Kerry to win in November? No? Could you please explain what I'm supposed to be making my decisions on then?

I agree with you Spoff--I'm not a huge fan of Kerry, and he was about my fourth choice of the Democratic candidates, but there are some things to like about him. He does want to roll back the tax cuts for people making over $200K a year. He does have one of the strongest environmental records in the Senate. He does have a healthcare plan--not the best one, and not single-payer universal, but he does have one. He does have a strong record on civil rights. And extremely important--he will nominate Supreme Court justices who aren't like Antonin Scalia. Those are reasons why Kerry is a better candidate for President than Bush is, and those are the reasons I'll be using when I vote in November.

I heard this little story that says quite a bit about Sen. Kerry. Thought y'all might enjoy it:

While suturing a laceration on the hand of a 70-year-old Massachusetts merchant (whose hand had been caught in a fence while working at his country home), a doctor and the old man were talking about Senator John Kerry possibly being in the White House one day.

The old man said, "Well, ya know, Kerry is a 'post turtle'."

Not knowing what the old man meant, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was.

The old man said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle."

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain, "You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he can't get anything done while he's up there, and you just want to help the poor stupid bastard get down."

I hope you're old enough to vote for him too.. and while you're at it.. please DO go sign up right away to be sent to Iraq, because any one with your view should certainly be dying for a war based on a lie with the other fine men and women of the armed services!




I do not think the US should be the world's police force, but I do not think we have a choice since no one else will do it.

Actually, the UN was doing a pretty good job until we decided that international law doesn't apply to us.

Good call guys. Obviously you might have forgotten that Saddam Hussein was a corrupt dictator who killed thousands of 1) Kurds, 2) Shiite Dissidents, 3) Jews, 4) many other innocent people. You're absolutely right, the UN was sure doing its job with that one by letting a man like that stay in power.

To Stephistan: If you really think I should go over and die, then let me tell you this: I would, the only reason I'm enlisted is because I have medical conditions which I would rather leave unlisted here. If you want to make a change in the world, fine, but I'm trying to make my own as well and you need to calm it down.

And to Berkylvania specifically: If we did put him into power, then whose job is it to remove him? Maybe we should take responsibility for our actions rather than let the corrupt and worthless UN try to handle the situations and still accomplish nothing.

Good call guys. Obviously you might have forgotten that Saddam Hussein was a corrupt dictator who killed thousands of 1) Kurds, 2) Shiite Dissidents, 3) Jews, 4) many other innocent people. You're absolutely right, the UN was sure doing its job with that one by letting a man like that stay in power.

Hey, way to go yourself. If you look back over the UN stance concerning Iraq, you'll find that, before we turned it into the quagmire it is now, NO ONE supported Hussein and it was only a matter of time before he was ousted by the world body. However, because the time table wasn't to our liking, we struck unilaterally and unprovokedly and not only deposed a sovergn ruler but managed to further incite the kind of hatred and misunderstanding that led to attacks like 9/11 in the first place. But, of course, when you're a 600 lbs. gorilla, why should you give a damn about anyone else, right? Also, I guess what you're advocating is the whole sale eviction of any world leader who's politics we don't like yet we don't have to subject ourselves to a world court. We get to be judge, jury and executioner for the entire planet. Great, history tells us exactly how well THAT sort of approach works. Oh well, whatever Nero, just keep on fiddling while Rome burns.


To Stephistan: If you really think I should go over and die, then let me tell you this: I would, the only reason I'm enlisted is because I have medical conditions which I would rather leave unlisted here.

Hmm, I didn't know you could get deferrment for being dangerously narrowminded and potentially psychotic.


If you want to make a change in the world, fine, but I'm trying to make my own as well and you need to calm it down.

So do you, plus you need to get informed about what's really going on over there. Our men and women are being sent there to die, not because of the humanitarian reasons you listed, but because The Shrub's got a grudge and a plan to get reelected.


And to Berkylvania specifically: If we did put him into power, then whose job is it to remove him? Maybe we should take responsibility for our actions rather than let the corrupt and worthless UN try to handle the situations and still accomplish nothing.

Hmmm, yes, perhaps, but frankly I don't see us being any more intelligent about it now than we were back in the 80s when we installed him. Perhaps taking responsibility for our actions would have been, in this case, submitting our will to world opinion and acting in a concentrated, world-supported action which would send a message to this and all other unacceptable governments that the World AS A WHOLE will not tollerate wholesale slaughter of innocents. However, acting with an arrogance only rivaled by Nazi Germany, we decided that we couldn't be bothered with everyone else (and not wanting to share the spoils), marched our troops in there, destabilized the whole region, got our people killed, increased hatred and mistrust of the United States to unprecidented levels and sent the message that the world only stands together on one thing: That the United States may be too big for it's britches and due a suitable dressing down. Yep, we're sure taking responsibility for our actions.

And to Berkylvania specifically: If we did put him into power, then whose job is it to remove him? Maybe we should take responsibility for our actions rather than let the corrupt and worthless UN try to handle the situations and still accomplish nothing.

Hmmm, yes, perhaps, but frankly I don't see us being any more intelligent about it now than we were back in the 80s when we installed him. Perhaps taking responsibility for our actions would have been, in this case, submitting our will to world opinion and acting in a concentrated, world-supported action which would send a message to this and all other unacceptable governments that the World AS A WHOLE will not tollerate wholesale slaughter of innocents. However, acting with an arrogance only rivaled by Nazi Germany, we decided that we couldn't be bothered with everyone else (and not wanting to share the spoils), marched our troops in there, destabilized the whole region, got our people killed, increased hatred and mistrust of the United States to unprecidented levels and sent the message that the world only stands together on one thing: That the United States may be too big for it's britches and due a suitable dressing down. Yep, we're sure taking responsibility for our actions.
I think what IS said by noting that we placed Saddam in power is that we're obviously not good at picking leaders for other countries (or our own for that matter) So why on Earth are we STILL in Iraq, trying to pick another leader that we can overthrow in 15 years. Give them the freedom to run the country the way they want it to be run, stop killing both Iraqi and American soldiers, and bring the tax money back home to be put to good use (like strengthening defense instead of murdering the defenders)

but if we're gonna keep arguing about the evils of Pres. Bush, let's take it to an appropriate thread, such as Why is Bush so bad? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137625&highlight=/)