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I have heard many people say that Bush is a bad leader of america, and I am not saying that i agree or disagree with this, i just want to know what has made him so bad...

Also, if we could please not post the same messages over and over...
i.e. the war in Iraq.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.

He dodged the Draft while doing crack and ruining the Texas Rangers.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.


There is nothing wrong with being either.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.


There is nothing wrong with being either.

Oh yes there is. I beg to differ greatly. If we got rid of both (or severely curtailed both), the world would be a much better place to live in.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.There's something wrong with those things?He dodged the Draft while doing crack and ruining the Texas Rangers.wtf? Come on man, grow a brain cell. He didn't dodge nothing. He served in th air national guard. Nothing dishonorable about that. It's not like he fled to canada.

And crack? Come on, no one ever accused him of drug use.

And yeah, he did ruin the rangers, but what's that gotta do with the country?

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.


There is nothing wrong with being either.

Oh yes there is. I beg to differ greatly. If we got rid of both (or severely curtailed both), the world would be a much better place to live in.Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.There's something wrong with those things?He dodged the Draft while doing crack and ruining the Texas Rangers.wtf? Come on man, grow a brain cell. He didn't dodge nothing. He served in th air national guard. Nothing dishonorable about that. It's not like he fled to canada.

And crack? Come on, no one ever accused him of drug use.

And yeah, he did ruin the rangers, but what's that gotta do with the country?


It was a joke I heard off of a TV show Raysia. :roll:

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.


There is nothing wrong with being either.

Oh yes there is. I beg to differ greatly. If we got rid of both (or severely curtailed both), the world would be a much better place to live in.Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.


Ignore him Rayisa, he doesn't deserve your time and energy, he has no clue what he is talking about.

Because he's an evangelical Protestant Christian.....and a capitalist.

Ok, but I'm not seeing the bad side of that....

+ On a side note +

I heard that the real Macho Man Randy Savage, is now a born again, spirit filled Christian. I also heard a minister once, but I'm not sure about that one...

+ On a side note +

I heard that the real Macho Man Randy Savage, is now a born again, spirit filled Christian. I also heard a minister once, but I'm not sure about that one...


:( THATS A DAMN LIE!!!! :(

+ On a side note +

I heard that the real Macho Man Randy Savage, is now a born again, spirit filled Christian. I also heard a minister once, but I'm not sure about that one...


:( THATS A DAMN LIE!!!! :(

just tellin ya what I heard....gezzzz

+ On a side note +

I heard that the real Macho Man Randy Savage, is now a born again, spirit filled Christian. I also heard a minister once, but I'm not sure about that one...You might be thinking of George Foreman

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137621
for one
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136960
for two
wanting to include in our constitution an amendment that says gay marriages will not be allowed- making it one of the most fundamental, obvious, and most important laws in the country. (I mean, obviously our founding fathers would've written it in, but they figured that was just TOO obvious)

Bush is bad because he supports Katherine in florida. She was soooooooooooooo biased in the elections....gov. conspiricy! :?

+ On a side note +

I heard that the real Macho Man Randy Savage, is now a born again, spirit filled Christian. I also heard a minister once, but I'm not sure about that one...You might be thinking of George Foreman

whatever...give me more credit than that...

Bush is bad because he supports Katherine in florida. She was soooooooooooooo biased in the elections....gov. conspiricy! :?
Hey, she supported him...and when you're in debt with the mob...
(sorry, I was watching family guy all day)

[He dodged the Draft while doing crack and ruining the Texas Rangers.wtf? Come on man, grow a brain cell. He didn't dodge nothing. He served in th air national guard. Nothing dishonorable about that. It's not like he fled to canada.

And crack? Come on, no one ever accused him of drug use.

And yeah, he did ruin the rangers, but what's that gotta do with the country?[/quote]

leaving the draft question aside, there were numerous allegations about coke usage. It is highly doubtful that he actually smoked crack, but I do remember a scandal during his father's administration regarding his drug use and when he was asked about it during his campaign he dismissed it as a "youthful indiscretion"

another problem with him. He has ruined our economy and has been doing his best to remove any money there was for the already reduced safety net.

He dodged the Draft while doing crack and ruining the Texas Rangers.wtf? Come on man, grow a brain cell. He didn't dodge nothing. He served in th air national guard. Nothing dishonorable about that. It's not like he fled to canada.

And crack? Come on, no one ever accused him of drug use.

And yeah, he did ruin the rangers, but what's that gotta do with the country?

leaving the draft question aside, there were numerous allegations about coke usage. It is highly doubtful that he actually smoked crack, but I do remember a scandal during his father's administration regarding his drug use and when he was asked about it during his campaign he dismissed it as a "youthful indiscretion"
I do seem to recall that as well, funny how his #1 fan forgets... (perhaps he is on something as well)

ok, so what if he did have a few youthful indescretions...does that mean he is no longer fit to be the President?

another problem with him. He has ruined our economy and has been doing his best to remove any money there was for the already reduced safety net.

and your proof to that is....

ok, so what if he did have a few youthful indescretions...does that mean he is no longer fit to be the President?
no, no...
for that I'd refer you to my first post on this topic

Let me see what I can come up with.

1.) He is from an oil rich family. And oh my they have ties with another oil family.
2.) He supports religion. This will surely result in the downfall of our country.
3.) He initiated the invasion of a country that should have been invaded by the previous administration. How dare he point out the prior administrations short comings.
4.) He gave the American people back the money they had overpaid in taxes. Everyone knows you can't trust Americans with their own money.
5.) His father was a president before him. No family could possibly produce two good presidents.
6.) He only got into the presidency by winning the electorial vote. We should ignore the constitution and elect someone for getting the popular vote instead.
7.) He had to fix the Florida vote. Never mind that to do some of the things he has been accused of would have taken over 3 years to accomplish. This only points to him having the power to see the future and having prior knowledge that the election would come down to the Florida vote and everyone know those types of powers only come from witchcraft.

How does that sound for the typical accusations against Bush?

ok, so what if he did have a few youthful indescretions...does that mean he is no longer fit to be the President?

well, considering that he advocates putting people in jail for years if they get caught commiting that kind of "youthful indescretion" I think it does, unless he chooses to serve the time that is, but then again, I don't think felons are allowed to be president.

Let me see what I can come up with.

1.) He is from an oil rich family. And oh my they have ties with another oil family.
2.) He supports religion. This will surely result in the downfall of our country.
3.) He initiated the invasion of a country that should have been invaded by the previous administration. How dare he point out the prior administrations short comings.
4.) He gave the American people back the money they had overpaid in taxes. Everyone knows you can't trust Americans with their own money.
5.) His father was a president before him. No family could possibly produce two good presidents.
6.) He only got into the presidency by winning the electorial vote. We should ignore the constitution and elect someone for getting the popular vote instead.
7.) He had to fix the Florida vote. Never mind that to do some of the things he has been accused of would have taken over 3 years to accomplish. This only points to him having the power to see the future and having prior knowledge that the election would come down to the Florida vote and everyone know those types of powers only come from witchcraft.

How does that sound for the typical accusations against Bush?
Huh, doesn't sound anything like my accusations
Guess I'm just atypical

bennifit is bennifit and harm is harm
he has choosen to be the poster boy for the kinds of forces and
policies that destroy everything that is worth a dam

he has brought america and planted earth an era of entrenched corruption
the like of which may be unprecidented in human history.

how much has he personaly conributed to it?
who knows; but he speaks for it and in favor of it
he willingly and enthusiasticly champions the forces of destruction

other then that he himself ain't no thing

=^^=
.../\...

another problem with him. He has ruined our economy and has been doing his best to remove any money there was for the already reduced safety net.

and your proof to that is....

well, the economy is obviously in bad shape, if not truly ruined. we lost 3 million jobs. as to the safety net, he has cut taxes repeatedly and it is very doubtful those cuts are coming from the military, so what else is there to cut?

another problem with him. He has ruined our economy and has been doing his best to remove any money there was for the already reduced safety net.

and your proof to that is....

well, the economy is obviously in bad shape, if not truly ruined. we lost 3 million jobs. as to the safety net, he has cut taxes repeatedly and it is very doubtful those cuts are coming from the military, so what else is there to cut?
I could be wrong, but veterans' pay, I believe, was cut

Oh, well, let's see. He was elected in by a convenient removal of thousands of voters in Florida that happened to share the last name of some convicted criminals, followed by a nice Supreme Court ruling by his daddy's friends to break off the recounting when it looked like he might lose.

He's a nigh-illiterate that got into Harvard *and* Yale thanks to his daddy's name and to no part due to his own accomplishments.

He's magically made the surplus disappear and has replaced it with the biggest deficit of all time.

He blatantly lied continuously to the American people and the world about Iraq.

He practically destroyed most international relations the US had managed to build up over the past few decades.

He gave lots of tax cuts to the rich, with no regard of the cost.

His adamant resolve to stop gays from receiving their constitutional rights is near-fanatic.

He has severly impeded work to protect the environment by slashed funding to a number of foundations.

Should I go on? No, I think I'll stop there. *Whew*

Here is an intresting statistic in floridathere was a 98% error with the election results for bush.
The man is a complete idiot, He actually said "Border relations between maxico and Canada have never been better" ..!!!!???? What! and... "Most of our exports come from abroad" Its actually scary that this man is the most powerful person in the world. He gave around a 50billion dollar tax break to the rich, so that they could employ about a million people. and then you have his crazy rampage against terror, if your going to attack terrorists and take weapons of mass destruction, attack a country that actually have weapons of mass destruction!! Like korea, but no they may really have the means to fight back! :shock:

The worst thing about Bush, is that he has taken a well-respected country and turned it into possibly the most despised in the world. Need I expand upon?

5.) His father was a president before him. No family could possibly produce two good presidents.

I wouldnt say George Bush snr was a good president either

Fifteen reasons to hate George Bush:


He cut a half a BILLION dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency' s budget. Who needs to look after the environment when there's all that oil drilling going on?

He approved a bill that denies financial aid to students convicted of misdemeanor drug charges (though convicted murderers are still eligible for financial aid).

He recently sent a delegation to the UN children' s summit to declare that the use of condoms is not a valid way to fight AIDS and that abstinence is the only solution. This is the view shared by some other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and the Vatican. It seems that his policy of, "No child shall be left behind" has a whole new meaning.

He wouldn't sign the Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, which was ultimately signed by 178 other countries. He also told the entire European community that he would listen to their arguments, but he would not change his mind, effectively treating Europe like an 8 year old child. This may have something to do with why most of the world hates the US.

He rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare. Of course that would mean that the US would have to stop producing biological agents too.

And talk about the fox watching over the hen house, he nominated former mining company executive Dan Lauriski as Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

He allocated only 3% of the amount requested by Justice Department lawyers in the governments continued litigation against tobacco companies.

He prohibited any financial aid from going to international family planning organizations that provide abortion counseling, referrals, or services with their own funds.

He provided every member of the Bin Laden family living in the U.S. a chartered plane shortly after 9/11 to fly back home to Saudi Arabia without questioning them. One of GW' s first petroleum venture was partnered with the Bin Laden family and George Sr. has been getting filthy rich selling defense contracts to the Bin Ladens. These are just some examples of the many ties the Bush family has with the Bin Ladens.

He officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001

September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa

Over the past 10 years, the US prison population has more than doubled. This is mainly due to unfair three strikes laws, and harsher drug penalties. OK so maybe W. wasn' t behind this one, but the Republicans are.

International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.

George replied, "Ken who?" when asked about his relationship with Kenneth Lay, the CEO of Enron, during the federal bankruptcy hearings. This was after Enron gave him their company jet to use for his presidential campaign. George and Kenny were such good friends that Ken was actually seen giving wedgies to the president in the oval office. Yet he still replied, "Ken who?"

http://fatali.servebeer.com/~ilkka/bush/Funny%20George%20Bush_nostradamus%20(1).jpg
Spooky!

Anybody STILL need to know any more facts as to why Bush is a bad bad man? I think the above should have more than answered everyone's questions. 8)

Plus he keeps messing up his sentences and making a fool of himself, like his comic relief and idiocy will make the world respect America anymore? His kind of stupidity deserves life imprisonment, its akin to giving a bunch of gorilla's uzzis...

President Bush continues to push tax cuts, despite the fact that the US is spending an exorbitant amount of money on the situation in Iraq (the amount was somewhere around $80 billion last time I heard about it... probably more now with all those schools and day-care centers our soldiers are building over there, huh?)
Logically, where do you think the government gets its money to pay for all these expenses? Why, taxes, of course! When the government lowers taxes, but begins spending money at a higher rate, we plunge into a huge deficit.
Look at the situation this way: the Republicans spend all their money, cause a huge deficit, and then complain when the Democrats try to actually pay it off. Democrats get a bad rap, and the Republicans get reelected, even though the Democrats were just trying to clean up the huge mess that the Republicans had left behind. People are constantly complaining about the "tax-and-spend Democrats," but I'd prefer them to "don't-tax-and-spend-Republicans."

- He took power after a questionnable electoral process

- His politics in middle east (support to Israel, war in Iraq) has fueled islamic terrorism worldwide.

- He turn his back to traditional allies (Western Europe) and trusts new friends that no mother would want to have near their children (Pakistan, who sold nuclear secrets to N. Korea and to anyone with enough cash, Saudi Arabia, which is the first contributor to islamic integrist groups who fight western civilization and values).

- His external policies are imperialistic. He thinks he's in a cowboy in a bad western movie. His pre-emptive strike politics are against international law and is a menace to world peace. Ignoring the UN sets a very dangerous path too.

- His environemental policies (ie. ignoring Tokio agreement) are a danger for the future of the planet.

May I have to continue?

He has the gift of the silver toung, but he is american there for all that he says is a lie for americans are too in love with there own voices to speak the truth.

Plus I think He is a bigger more dangerous terrorist then anyone else in the world.

- his doctrine of preemption sets a very scary precedent
- the war on terror has seen him ally with bigger state terrorists than afgahnistan, notably china, saudia arabia and algeria.
The war on terror, however, has seen the United States ally with states that are guilty of state-sponsored terror. Algeria, terrorizes the innocent as much as Al-Qu’aida does. Algeria has been witness to one of the most brutal civil wars in history, pitting “Islamists” against security forces. The ten year civil war has led to the death of 200,000 people, most of them citizens. The last 5 years, however, has seen the Algerian government step up its level of brutality. Reports coming out of Algeria accuse the security forces of some of the bloodiest massacres, including slitting the throats of babies. As an ally in the “War on Terror,” the US has chosen to sell arms to the Algerian security forces and has promised foreign aid. William Burns, the US Assistant Secretary of State for the Middle East, announced that Washington “has much to learn from Algeria on ways to fight terrorism.”

Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Firstly, when I say protestants, I was talking about evangelical protestants, like your Southern Baptists etc.

They give Christianity a very bad name and they are also extremely fundamental. By gettin rid of them, there would be more tolerance in America, IMO.

Capitalists - ultra-capitalists. When people oppose paying income tax, in order to help the poorer people of society who are expolited by capitalism, then I have no time for them. When capitalists would like to see the removal of the minimum wage, so they can increase their profits and decrease their workers wages, then I have no time for them either.

And more often than not, in America these two groups of people are one.

Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Firstly, when I say protestants, I was talking about evangelical protestants, like your Southern Baptists etc.

They give Christianity a very bad name and they are also extremely fundamental. By gettin rid of them, there would be more tolerance in America, IMO.

Capitalists - ultra-capitalists. When people oppose paying income tax, in order to help the poorer people of society who are expolited by capitalism, then I have no time for them. When capitalists would like to see the removal of the minimum wage, so they can increase their profits and decrease their workers wages, then I have no time for them either.

And more often than not, in America these two groups of people are one.

Which is preferable to you, abolishing minimum wage and keeping jobs in the coutry, or forcing employers to relocate abroad, where the labour costs are way cheaper? It's a vicious circle.

I realize that I have stepped into a liberal hornet's nest, but there are a few things that need to be addressed.
1)The 2000 election. Don't go saying that the republicans rigged it. Which party wanted to completely disregard all absentee ballots? Which party was giving cigarettes to the poor in exchange for votes? Finally, a florida judge was changing laws to benifit... which party? Yet Bush still won.
2)The economy. Sure you can blame Bush... if you choose to completely ignore the dot com crash (late Clinton administration), 9-11 and two resulting wars (I'll address them later), NAFTA (blue-collar jobs flocked south of the border), and the corporate scandals (which began long before the Bush administration)
3)Bush's preparation for terrorism. Richard Clarke says Bush dawdled on the subject on terrorism when BUsh had quadrupled funding to counterterrorism and intelligence before 9-11. He says that the Clinton administration was focused on terrorism. I mean, Clinton only let Bin Laden get away three times. While we're at it, let's see if Clinton did enough to prevent the first WTC bombing. Let's see if FDR did enough to prevent Pearl Harbor :roll: . The only reasons this has happened is because
A: it's an election year and liberals are hungry for any dirt they can dig up on BUsh
B: controversy sells
C: maybe Clarke is pissed because he got fired
It's easier to blame problems than to fix them. Speaking of fixing problems, on to Iraq:
4)Iraq. The intelligence that Bush had was the same intelligence that the UN had. It was the same intelligence that Clinton had when he blew up a pharmacy at the cost of millions of dollars. WMD aren't the only reason we went to Iraq, they are just what the media hyped.
5)Bush's national guard service. Yes, Kerry went to 'nam. Bush served in the national guard though some question his attendance. However, I think it's safe to say that the people chastizing Bush now are the same ones who voted for Billy Boy back in 1996, despite the fact that Clinton flat-out dodged the draft. He ran away to Europe until things cooled off.

Let me see what I can come up with.

1.) He is from an oil rich family. And oh my they have ties with another oil family.
2.) He supports religion. This will surely result in the downfall of our country.
3.) He initiated the invasion of a country that should have been invaded by the previous administration. How dare he point out the prior administrations short comings.
4.) He gave the American people back the money they had overpaid in taxes. Everyone knows you can't trust Americans with their own money.
5.) His father was a president before him. No family could possibly produce two good presidents.
6.) He only got into the presidency by winning the electorial vote. We should ignore the constitution and elect someone for getting the popular vote instead.
7.) He had to fix the Florida vote. Never mind that to do some of the things he has been accused of would have taken over 3 years to accomplish. This only points to him having the power to see the future and having prior knowledge that the election would come down to the Florida vote and everyone know those types of powers only come from witchcraft.

How does that sound for the typical accusations against Bush?

Oh, goodie, a list. That'll make this much easier.

1. Yes, he's from an oil family and what you left out was that the "other oil family" he has "ties" with is the Saudi oil family conglomerate. This is, at best, a slight conflict of interests and, at worst, a gross and inappropriate attempt to influence market price.

2. He doesn't just "support" religion, he mandates it and uses it as a basis to inflict his narrow-minded, anti-freedom views on a majority that do not want them. I "support" religion. There is nothing wrong with "supporting" religion. There is a problem when that support bleeds into policy making and we start advocating the wholesale legalized discrimination of a subsection of what's supposed to be a free society. That is not "supporting" religion, that is "establishing a religious theocracy."

3. He initiated a unilateral overthrow of a sovergn nation against the wishes of the rest of the world simply because they spit in the eye of his father and in order to firm up those oil ties you've already mentioned. Additionally, in order to bring this about, he blatantly lied to his constituents (something which we tried to impeach the last president for, if you'll be so kind as to remember). Furthermore, he potentially allowed important information to be ignored which led to the deaths of over 3000 people on 9/11. Of course, that's perhaps just a drop in the bucket compared to how many lives of servicemen and Iraqi civilians will be lost, which is odd considering the mission was supposed to be accomplished last year. He allowed his Vice President's company to not only raid the Iraqi reconstruction effort, but to loot the military as well. Finally, he seems to have completely and utterly forgotten about Osama Bin Laden. Well, at least until October when he magically produces him in an effort to win re-election.

4. What money? Where was this "tax cut" that was supposed to single handedly cure cancer, bring peace to the Middle East and produce a non-fattening snack food with all the taste of potato chips and none of the fat? Oh, wait, most people NEVER SAW IT. Because most people are not in the 1% of the upper class that actually have benefitted from The Shrub's notorious tax cuts. For the rest of us, we are actually paying higher taxes and getting less services. Not only has he destroyed Medicade, he's also raided Social Security. Additionally, he has crippled the Veteran Administration's ability to provide services for not only those men and women coming home from his War of Vanity, but for servicemen who have relied on them for years.

5. Perhaps they could. The Bush family has yet to produce a single good President.

6. We should probably figure into the count disenfranchised voters that Florida magically decided should disappear. And yes, perhaps we SHOULD give the presidency to the man who won the popular vote. I mean, we're considering amending the Constitution to allow discrimination, so obvously it's not all that sacrosanct a document.

7. Yes, I'll agree that some of the things he's been accused of are preposterous. Unfortunately, most aren't.

8. Let us not forget that he has currently embroiled us in a national deficit fiasco that our children's children's children will still be trying to pay off. He has lost millions of jobs and done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to try and create new ones.

9. He has poisoned our relations with the rest of the world by not only acting as a blithering idiot when faced with international diplomacy, but by changing the way the rest of the world views us. We are no safer now that pre-9/11 and, in fact, are in considerably more danger as Bush has done nothing but increase the attitudes that lead to terrorist attacks in the first place.

10. Finally, and most damning, he will never have to pay for any of this because he is of a privilledged class who, even when they fail so miserably and horribly, never have to suffer the consequences of their actions. There will always be a Daddy to get him out of trouble, be it anything aproaching combat duty in Vietnam to bankrupting three companies to setting the state of Texas into a fiscal tailspin that they have yet to recover from.

But hey, be as flip as you want. Cause sound bites and images are what's important.

Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Firstly, when I say protestants, I was talking about evangelical protestants, like your Southern Baptists etc.

They give Christianity a very bad name and they are also extremely fundamental. By gettin rid of them, there would be more tolerance in America, IMO.

Capitalists - ultra-capitalists. When people oppose paying income tax, in order to help the poorer people of society who are expolited by capitalism, then I have no time for them. When capitalists would like to see the removal of the minimum wage, so they can increase their profits and decrease their workers wages, then I have no time for them either.

And more often than not, in America these two groups of people are one.
What about the people who oppose paying income tax because it forces them to pay for people who help them in no way while they have to pay their own workers minimum wage or move jobs overseas whereas if they didn't have to pay such ridiculous taxes they could give better money to their employees? Besides, I think you'll find many people around Nationstates who claim to be ultra-capitalists will also claim to be atheist/agnostic

all of site such petty small things. what is the real beef with bush? are the any clear cut issues, real issues that people have with him?
Is he the best president ever? No. But he is better than clinton b/c at least he is doing something.
Is he the most democratically slanted republican president ever? Yes. He is spending more than any democrat might, but then the question is whether he is spending that money correctly. Rebuilding the military is a must.
enough, people are to jaded by small minds and small ideas. Release a little bias and really look around at larger issues, like less than 50% of people actually voting. Has everyone forgotten what a privilege that is?
What are you all thinking?

all of site such petty small things. what is the real beef with bush? are the any clear cut issues, real issues that people have with him?

First off, the word you're looking for is "cite".

Sorry, but I don't consider lying to the American people to justify a vanity war only designed to make him and his cronies richer while sacrificing the lives of hundreds of American servicemen and countless Iraqis to be a "petty, small thing." I also don't consider the plundering of the United States and the adulterating of the freedoms and rights many have fought and died for to be a "petty, small thing." Maybe my frame of reference is wrong.

Is he the best president ever? No. But he is better than clinton b/c at least he is doing something.

Yes, he's destroying the country for his own personal gain. I guess that qualifies as "doing something." And might I just remind you that Clinton managed to go into a disputed war zone, get his man and put him up for public trial both quicker and without pissing off the rest of the world. While he was doing that, he managed to preside over one of the most expansive decades of economic growth this country has ever seen. Now, pray tell, what, exactly has Bush done?

Is he the most democratically slanted republican president ever? Yes. He is spending more than any democrat might, but then the question is whether he is spending that money correctly.

Exactly how does democratic slant = spending the most money ever? Nice knee-jerk reaction there and simplification of the issues.

Rebuilding the military is a must.

Fine, then why isn't he doing this? Not only has he rammed budget cuts for the military through, but he has also left anti-terrorism initiatives woefully unfunded, completely misspent what money the military does have, forced servicemen to endure longer service periods with no end in sight, spread the military so thin that we are incapable of defending our boarders and slashed spending for veterens (in direct opposition to one of his many broken campaign promises) so that even when our men and women are allowed to come home again, they will have nothing to come home to.

enough, people are to jaded by small minds and small ideas. Release a little bias and really look around at larger issues, like less than 50% of people actually voting. Has everyone forgotten what a privilege that is?
What are you all thinking?

I'm thinking that I'm going to vote the bum out and volunteer my time and effort to the Democratic party and any other organization that has that goal. People are not jaded by small minds and small ideas. That statement doesn't make any sense. People are jaded by continually seeing their hopes of a working system of government dashed by one man's greed and hypocracy. People are jaded by seeing a government that lies to them and says things like "Mission Accomplished" when the death toll on both sides continues to rise. People are jaded and stop voting when it is graphically pointed out to them that their votes won't count anyway as either they will be thrown out by a partisan influential, the Supreme Court will appoint a president (May Tony Scalia rot in whatever hell he believes in), or the new improved voting technology is so easy to crack and fix (and there is no paper trail and the CEO of the leader manufacturer of the new voting machines has "vowed" to "deliver" the state of Georgia to Bush in '04) that you can do it just by sneezing on it. So no, I haven't forgotten what a privilledge voting is, but I think Bush has forgotten what a responsibility being the President is and, therefore, he needs to be shown the door.

And he can take his little toadie Rove and Whack-A-Mole-esque VP Cheney with him. And his stupid whore daughters. And his murderous wife.

Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Firstly, when I say protestants, I was talking about evangelical protestants, like your Southern Baptists etc.

They give Christianity a very bad name and they are also extremely fundamental. By gettin rid of them, there would be more tolerance in America, IMO.

Capitalists - ultra-capitalists. When people oppose paying income tax, in order to help the poorer people of society who are expolited by capitalism, then I have no time for them. When capitalists would like to see the removal of the minimum wage, so they can increase their profits and decrease their workers wages, then I have no time for them either.

And more often than not, in America these two groups of people are one.

Which is preferable to you, abolishing minimum wage and keeping jobs in the coutry, or forcing employers to relocate abroad, where the labour costs are way cheaper? It's a vicious circle.

Tarrifs on goods produced in countries which do not pay their workers a decent wage would be preferable. And would also be the course of action advocated by Adam Smith who is generally considered as the founder of capitalism.

Please explain your reasons why you would want to see protestants and capitalists removed from the world.

Firstly, when I say protestants, I was talking about evangelical protestants, like your Southern Baptists etc.

They give Christianity a very bad name and they are also extremely fundamental. By gettin rid of them, there would be more tolerance in America, IMO.

Capitalists - ultra-capitalists. When people oppose paying income tax, in order to help the poorer people of society who are expolited by capitalism, then I have no time for them. When capitalists would like to see the removal of the minimum wage, so they can increase their profits and decrease their workers wages, then I have no time for them either.

And more often than not, in America these two groups of people are one.

Which is preferable to you, abolishing minimum wage and keeping jobs in the coutry, or forcing employers to relocate abroad, where the labour costs are way cheaper? It's a vicious circle.

Tarrifs on goods produced in countries which do not pay their workers a decent wage would be preferable. And would also be the course of action advocated by Adam Smith who is generally considered as the founder of capitalism.

[quote="Social-Technocracia"]Fifteen reasons to hate George Bush:


He cut a half a BILLION dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency' s budget. Who needs to look after the environment when there's all that oil drilling going on?

He wouldn't sign the Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, which was ultimately signed by 178 other countries. He also told the entire European community that he would listen to their arguments, but he would not change his mind, effectively treating Europe like an 8 year old child. This may have something to do with why most of the world hates the US.

He rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare. Of course that would mean that the US would have to stop producing biological agents too.

He allocated only 3% of the amount requested by Justice Department lawyers in the governments continued litigation against tobacco companies.

He officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001

September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa

Over the past 10 years, the US prison population has more than doubled. This is mainly due to unfair three strikes laws, and harsher drug penalties. OK so maybe W. wasn' t behind this one, but the Republicans are.

International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.
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You raised some good points against Bush. But those that I choose to quote you on are worthless issues to have against Bush. Pointless.

Not everyone believes the shaky science that most of Kyoto and other environmental clap trap is based on. I point to Mr.Lombard's book as proof that nearly every single environmental organisation vastly exaggerates environmental degradation in order to receive better grants. The numbers are simply not there, and those they do use are fudged nearly every time.

The 3 strikes rule, to my knowledge, exists only in California. A very liberal state, if not the most. The 3 strikes rule has proved a boon and crime rates have dropped by some estimates as much as 40%. Repeat offenders simply do not return. As for harsher penalties against crime, stop blaming solely the republicans, its also a pet peeve of the democrats to fight Drugs.

Treaties mean nothing. Bush did everyone a favour by not going along with most of them, knowing full well that Congress would not pass them. That's right, even though a President signs treaties they are MEANINGLESS until Congress approves them. He just cut the garbage out and told them it won't happen. As for the ABM treaty, that was a treaty between Russia and the United States which had exceeded its usefulness. Backing out of the treaty was done in full accordance with the rules there in.

And the litigation against Tabacco companies is essentially pointless. Law firms get rich off the litigation whicle the average person gets paltry sums. The states which start these proceedings usually wind up using the money from the victories to help tabacco farmers and the tabacco industry which it says, needs financial aid now. And whatever happened to user beware? The victim culture is the first thing that must go, human stupidity is no excuse.

Bush is good. He walks on water. Only terrorists hate him -- and some unnamed jealous Mods... Bush will be re elected and we will all live happily ever after... :D

Which is preferable to you, abolishing minimum wage and keeping jobs in the coutry, or forcing employers to relocate abroad, where the labour costs are way cheaper? It's a vicious circle.

Well, we have a minimum wage in the UK and none of this armageddon unemployment stuff happens here....perhaps it's a miracle. :roll:

Besides, I think you'll find many people around Nationstates who claim to be ultra-capitalists will also claim to be atheist/agnostic

I wasn't talking about them, I was talking about President Bush and other people like him. I've seen documentaries about 'them' on TV. Glad I don't live near them.

Bush is good. He walks on water. Only terrorists hate him -- and some unnamed jealous Mods... Bush will be re elected and we will all live happily ever after... :D

Up your meds.

Which is preferable to you, abolishing minimum wage and keeping jobs in the coutry, or forcing employers to relocate abroad, where the labour costs are way cheaper? It's a vicious circle.

Well, we have a minimum wage in the UK and none of this armageddon unemployment stuff happens here....perhaps it's a miracle. :roll:

Ha! Don't believe Labour's own figures on unemployment. They are vastly different in reality. I am unemployed and job-seeking at the moment, and i can tell you that the jobs out there are few and far between. And i live in Southampton, supposedly the south is supposed to have it much better than the north of the country, so i pity anyone looking for jobs up there.

C: maybe Clarke is pissed because he got fired

Umm where do you get your information from? Clarke didn't get fired, he resigned in January.

The whole purpose of Clarke's book was not to bash any one. If you have read it he doesn't Bash Bush.. he doesn't say any thing about Bush that Bush has not said himself as quoted in Bob Woodward's book that terrorism wasn't a priority for him. Clarke is only backing up what a long line of people who have broken ranks with the administration have already said. That Bush's focus was on Iraq. The reason Clarke wrote the book according to David Frum (former speech writer for the Bush administration who coined "Axis Of Evil" in Bush's 2002 State of the Union address) was to put the focus back on Al Qaeda.. As many people believe the White House has dropped the ball and forgotten who the real enemy is.. it was never Iraq, it is Al Qaeda.. David Frum who helped Clarke write his book said the only purpose of the book was to draw attention back to Al Qaeda.. Clarke has never bashed Bush once.. not on any talk show. All Clarke is saying is terrorism wasn't a priority for the Bush administration. Bush is quoted as saying the exact same thing in Bob Wooward's new book. So, I'm not sure what all the fuss is over.

However, in my opinion, Bush is the biggest threat to world peace & security.. his war on Iraq has made the world less safe not more. When he invaded Iraq he created more terrorists.. not less. Bush has dropped the ball on the war on terrorism and fighting Al Qaeda as he is consumed with Iraq who had nothing to do with attacking America and while he has been obsessed with this war Al Qaeda has grown and now become all but impossible to eliminate. Bush is a liar.. and has been caught doing it. So it's not just an assumption. Bush is pandering to the Hawks and what is known as the new Bush doctrine is nothing more then the PNAC doctrine, Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group. These are scary people. The PNAC people took their doctrine to Bush Sr. and he thought it mad and then they took it to Clinton he also thought it mad. After 9/11 George Bush Jr. embraced the fanatical doctrine. Those are some of my reasons.. I stress some!