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Sorry, I can't speak to what news media is like in other parts of the world, but in North America there are a number of different views about mainstream commercial news media.

Personally, I trust our public news media (CBC, PBS, NPR) much more than commercial media anyway.

No matter what the biases are, at least they all provide information that's accurate, at least to some extent or another.

Bias is usually the claim of someone who does not like the slant of the story! ;)

However, in the US most "news" outlets are corporate now. As such the question of law suits comes into play. There is little of the old investigative journalism anymore. Well it exists but the story won't run if it will mean loss of revenue. For example, a newspaper had a 12 part piece about how the local auto dealerships rip people off. It was killed by the 3rd article. After the dealerships pulled their ads for 2 weekends.

Corporations are only about money! If there is a liberal slant then it is because people will read it and or complain about it. There is no such thing as bad press in certain areas. As PT Barnum once said "I don't care what you write about me, just make sure you get the name right"

This is evident by the fact everybody (conservatives) complains about liberal bias and yet they still read or watch the media outlets.

These days you have to have many sources to get a good feel for the news worthy events. Fox News is more "infotainment" then news. CNN seems to not want to run stuff that might offend people(ie the corporation attitude). Local stations are ok for local events.

For me I tend to look to the Washington Post for US events as they seem to bash everybody. For world events I tend to follow the BBC now. I will even wander by a few other countries and even Al-Jazera(sp?) from time to time.

Hmph. Wasn't the Press supposed to be the watchdog over goverment activities? ;)

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything. :roll:

This issue is all relative.

A staunch liberal will think the conservatives control it
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A staunch conservative will think the liberals control it.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.

Except, you know, the white house. Oh yeah, and congress. Also, the senate. And most of coporate America, including energy concerns. A large percentage of the media (if you actually look and realize who owns what, it becomes fairly obvious that media has a corporate agenda). Yeah, so basically I'd say conservatives are definitely having their voices heard. :roll:

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything. :roll:


Liberal right? Face facts, ask ANY conservative, we have NO say in anything.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.

:shock: and I thought the shrub was a Religious Conservative.

:shock: I thought the Republicans tended to be Conservatives and I thought the Republicans were the majority?

Problem with that stance. Corporations tend to be conservative in nature.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.

Except, you know, the white house. Oh yeah, and congress. Also, the senate. And most of coporate America, including energy concerns. A large percentage of the media (if you actually look and realize who owns what, it becomes fairly obvious that media has a corporate agenda). Yeah, so basically I'd say conservatives are definitely having their voices heard. :roll:


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Most companies like Disney and Time Warner are very Liberal. Open your eyes, Conservatives have no say at all.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.

:shock: and I thought the shrub was a Religious Conservative.

:shock: I thought the Republicans tended to be Conservatives and I thought the Republicans were the majority?

Problem with that stance. Corporations tend to be conservative in nature.


Republicans are not conservative and most Corporations tend to be Liberal. Time Warner is very Liberal, Ted Turner is openly Liberal.

Most companies like Disney and Time Warner are very Liberal. Open your eyes, Conservatives have no say at all.

Radio Talk Shows? Fox News? Both conservative outlets.

Republicans are not conservative and most Corporations tend to be Liberal. Time Warner is very Liberal, Ted Turner is openly Liberal.

I am sorry, but what the f*ck are you on?!

Republicans are not conservative and most Corporations tend to be Liberal. Time Warner is very Liberal, Ted Turner is openly Liberal.

Well then by Liberal you mean something VERY different then everyone else. How do you define your conservatism?

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

Republicans are not conservative and most Corporations tend to be Liberal. Time Warner is very Liberal, Ted Turner is openly Liberal.

I am sorry, but what the f*ck are you on?!Crap... beat me to that one...

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

LIke I said in the other thread, you are clearly redefining conservatism.

Most companies like Disney and Time Warner are very Liberal. Open your eyes, Conservatives have no say at all.

Radio Talk Shows? Fox News? Both conservative outlets.


I don't listen to radio talk shows and Fox News is moderate, not Conservative, I should know, I watch them everyday and don't agree with them 40% of the time.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.They most certainly were not liberal!

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

LIke I said in the other thread, you are clearly redefining conservatism.


NO! George Bush is trying to redfine it , not me.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

:shock: All right I will bite. What exactly is your definition of a conservative?

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.They most certainly were not liberal!


You can be Left-Wing but not a Liberal, Stalin is proof of that.

NO! George Bush is trying to redfine it , not me.

Unless you're a red tory, then I think Bush is a pretty good example of what conservatism means in North America. Feel free to enlighten us though.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

LIke I said in the other thread, you are clearly redefining conservatism.


NO! George Bush is trying to redfine it , not me.

Oh that's his Compasionate Conservatism line and that is not really a redefining. There is little compassion in his approach.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

:shock: All right I will bite. What exactly is your definition of a conservative?


That would take to long, as that is not easy to write down.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.They most certainly were not liberal!


You can be Left-Wing but not a Liberal, Stalin is proof of that.Did I say they were left-wing? No.

NO! George Bush is trying to redfine it , not me.

Unless you're a red tory, then I think Bush is a pretty good example of what conservatism means in North America. Feel free to enlighten us though.


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Conservatives are the oppisite of Bush. You are obviously brainwashed. Most Conservatives hate him.

NO! George Bush is trying to redfine it , not me.

Unless you're a red tory, then I think Bush is a pretty good example of what conservatism means in North America. Feel free to enlighten us though.


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Conservatives are the oppisite of Bush. You are obviously brainwashed. Most Conservatives hate him.

Republicans are not conservative.

Dang, if you get any further to the right than Republicans, you get into Hitler and Genghis Khan territory! How much more Conservative do you want Randy, and would more than 2% of America want to elect that?

Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you.

America is controlled by Liberals, end of story. Conservatives have no say in anything.*Takes a look at who is in the oval office, half of congress, and quite a large chunk of the media* Is it now? Man... I've been fooled... you know how funny it is when a lot of conservatives and liberals make accusations and statements, yet don't back them up with facts.


Conservatives have never had a man in the White House and we don't control the media. Name one Conservative President? George Bush is not a conservative and neither was Reagan.

:shock: All right I will bite. What exactly is your definition of a conservative?


That would take to long, as that is not easy to write down.

Oh come on now. Toss some characteristics out.

Oh and
Washington
Monroe
Wilson
Eisenhower

Why aren't they conservative?

Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you.


I am a Moderate Conservative and you have a twisted view on us.

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Conservatives are the oppisite of Bush. You are obviously brainwashed. Most Conservatives hate him.

You're redefining conservatism to fit your own definition. If by 'conservatives' you mean hardcore capitalists or fundemental Christians, then yes, Bush isn't THAT conservative. However, in the common, everyday use of the word, he certainly IS conservative.

Also, don't roll your eyes at me young man. :x

Republicans are not conservative.

Dang, if you get any further to the right than Republicans, you get into Hitler and Genghis Khan territory! How much more Conservative do you want Randy, and would more than 2% of America want to elect that?


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Oh Boy, Listen boy, Republicans are NOT and NEVER have been and NEVER will be Conservatives or even Right-wing, Got that? Hitler was NOT a Conservative, understand? Name one Conservative belief you think he has and I promise most Conservatives will be against it.

Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you.


I am a Moderate Conservative and you have a twisted view on us.

Tell me you views on issues. 8)

Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you.


I am a Moderate Conservative and you have a twisted view on us.

Tell me you views on issues. 8)

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Conservatives are the oppisite of Bush. You are obviously brainwashed. Most Conservatives hate him.

You're redefining conservatism to fit your own definition. If by 'conservatives' you mean hardcore capitalists or fundemental Christians, then yes, Bush isn't THAT conservative. However, in the common, everyday use of the word, he certainly IS conservative.

Also, don't roll your eyes at me young man. :x


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Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you.


I am a Moderate Conservative and you have a twisted view on us.

Tell me you views on issues. 8)


I would, but you would have to tell me which Issues. But I won't get into that right now, this server is making very angry right now.

Ahem. Back to the original question.

I think people who are looking for a liberal/conservative slant in the news are, except in the most egregious cases (Fox News, talk radio) looking for something that's not there. If the corporate media has a bias, it's in favor of those who can do them the most favors while in power, and they don't care who that is. Right now in the US, it's unquestionably the Republican party, and they generally consider themselves conservative, MMRS's claims notwithstanding. (I get the feeling we actually agree on that point--you're just not expressing yourself well.)

But if the Democratic party were suddenly to change their tactics and start licking the bunghole of corporate media, then every story in the world would suddenly start favoring them instead of the way it is now. Money is the key here--not ideology.

And by the way, if you want the most accurate news, go to a non-corporate source like NPR and PBS. It sounds couterintuitive, I know, but the fact that they receive some of their funding from public sources actually provides them with a kind of independence that the corporate media refuses to take.

Ahem. Back to the original question.

I think people who are looking for a liberal/conservative slant in the news are, except in the most egregious cases (Fox News, talk radio) looking for something that's not there. If the corporate media has a bias, it's in favor of those who can do them the most favors while in power, and they don't care who that is. Right now in the US, it's unquestionably the Republican party, and they generally consider themselves conservative, MMRS's claims notwithstanding. (I get the feeling we actually agree on that point--you're just not expressing yourself well.)

But if the Democratic party were suddenly to change their tactics and start licking the bunghole of corporate media, then every story in the world would suddenly start favoring them instead of the way it is now. Money is the key here--not ideology.

And by the way, if you want the most accurate news, go to a non-corporate source like NPR and PBS. It sounds couterintuitive, I know, but the fact that they receive some of their funding from public sources actually provides them with a kind of independence that the corporate media refuses to take.


Is that so? Then why is the entire media out to destroy Bush? Face it, The Media loves the Democraps.

NPR is funded by the Government, if that is not what you meant, but they are.

The fact is, Fox News is not Conservative, I am a Moderate Conservative and I don't think they are.

The fact is, Fox News is not Conservative, I am a Moderate Conservative and I don't think they are.

you should probably either define your terms (since they are non-standard) or quit trolling.

Is that so? Then why is the entire media out to destroy Bush? Face it, The Media loves the Democraps.

NPR is funded by the Government, if that is not what you meant, but they are.

The fact is, Fox News is not Conservative, I am a Moderate Conservative and I don't think they are.The media is out to destroy Bush? Give me a break. The media has, until recently, given Bush every benefit of the doubt, especially since 9-11-2001. The only reason they're getting tough on him now, and they're still not all that tough on him if you compare his treatment to that of Clinton and Gore, is because they've been so horribly inept at covering up their miscues thatthe media has no choice but to cover them. And yet they still give the administration every chance to weasel out of their problems.

NPR is partially funded by the government, but is mostly funded by contributions from listeners and philanthropic grants.

I agree that Fox is not conservative--they're radical. What I said is that they label themselves as conservative, just as Limbaugh and Hannity and Savage do. They're not really conservative, but that's the label they drape over themselves, so if we're going to talk about conservatism in modern terms, you've got to either redefine it or deal with the people who claim the mantle.

Amen.

Fox News is not moderate. It has a conservative bias. But this is once again relative. To you it is moderate because you are very conservative. Talk Radio is blantently conservative and if you even try to deny that then I would recommend medication for you. (quote-SovietDemocracy)

That really isn't true. It only appears that Fox News is conservative because of the wide spread liberal bias on all of the other TV outlets. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Public Radio are terribly biased with a liberal slant.

Bernard Goldberg worked for CBS for over 20 years and just wrote a best selling book exposing the liberal bias. Fox News doesn't always follow party lines. They at least make an attempt to be "fair & balanced" which is more then you can say for any of our other outlets.

Granted, most of our radio talk shows are conservative. But that is only because of the market -- people want and enjoy conservative view points. Bill O'Reilly is on over 400 stations. New liberal show is on 6 stations. Yet the NY Times has written 10 articles about the liberal show and none about O'Reilly....

Holy cow, how could so many people thing that conservative thought controls maintstream media in north america? Your arguments include talk radio, which yes is conservative. But how many people listen to talk radio as much as people watch movies and television shows and news channels? The answer is, hardly many at all. Talk radio is just about the only conservative outlet out there, and people should be happy it is that way to provide an opposite influx ideas from the liberal ideology that is portrayed in soooo many hollywood movies. People also target FOX News. This is one news channel as compared to several others that are liberal. If you don't like conservative thought, then don't turn the channel to FOX news! Go to any other news station. Let me give you just one example of liberal bias and agenda promoting in the media. The movie John Q. with Denzel Washington was the most blatant in recent times. It might have been a good movie with a nice story but it had to be ruined by the message it tried to send and implant in peoples mind through pathos appeal. By trying to touch people's emotions this movie tried to show that it is insane that the US doesn't provide free health care to all its citizens and that they should change that now. The worst part was at the end when it showed all the liberal political leaders telling how they felt on the subject. This is rediculous....

oh shoot, I cant believe that I forgot to mention news papers. They might be the worst.

And how is it not insane? Why should only the wealthy be able to afford health care? Common human decency should be enough incentive for the government to do that. Provide some reasons as to why it's a bad idea and I'll get back to you. And as for big man Savage, hurry up and give us your definition of conservativism, and then explain how yourself and the Republicans relate to that. And I don't care how long or complicated the thing'll be, if you can't back up your claims with at least a definition, then you may as well leave this forum. Either shit, or get off the pot. By the way, I am a liberal who did not find any of those choices satisfactory.

And how is it not insane? Why should only the wealthy be able to afford health care? Common human decency should be enough incentive for the government to do that. Provide some reasons as to why it's a bad idea and I'll get back to you. And as for big man Savage, hurry up and give us your definition of conservativism, and then explain how yourself and the Republicans relate to that. And I don't care how long or complicated the thing'll be, if you can't back up your claims with at least a definition, then you may as well leave this forum. Either shit, or get off the pot. By the way, I am a liberal who did not find any of those choices satisfactory.
Why should only the wealth be alowed to eat out at nice restaurants whenever they want, or drive nice cars, or wear pretty clothes, and go on really coolio vacations to hawaii, and take a poo in a toilet with a bedee (spelling), and be able to run the A/C all day everyday, and many many other things that a "poor person" like me can't have

Why should only the wealth be alowed to eat out at nice restaurants whenever they want, or drive nice cars, or wear pretty clothes, and go on really coolio vacations to hawaii, and take a poo in a toilet with a bedee (spelling), and be able to run the A/C all day everyday, and many many other things that a "poor person" like me can't have

Unless you think health is a luxury, I'm not sure this follows...
Lets look at it this way. Ideally, we should all have the equal opportunity to succeed correct? Well how the hell am I suspossed to compete with someone if I'm poor and sick all the time? How is my child going to be able compete with a rich child (who is healthy not because he is more deserving, only because he was lucky enough to have rich parents) if I can't afford to provide him the medecine and expertise he needs?

Exactly my point. Rich people have no more right to medical care than anybody else.

DP

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And as for big man Savage, hurry up and give us your definition of conservativism, and then explain how yourself and the Republicans relate to that.

Don't hold your breath.

I've seen Savage on a lot of threads I read. He sweeps in, posts one (maybe two, now and then) line responses with an emoticon, then is never heard from again. This is the first thread I've ever seen him respond in, and I was floored when he actually put together 3 sentences. The way he was carrying on this time, I'd say he's a deliberate troll. He plays it off like he has a hardcore position, but won't elaborate on it at all (anyone who does have a hardcore, specific position should be able to at least say something about it), and in fact seems to go out of his way to avoid it. Plus, a lot of this seems pretty nonsensical.

I believe alot of the media is liberial and alot of the media is conservitive. Most of the stars in Hollywood, the directors, producers, etc. are liberals. Also lots of jornalist in the media are liberals like Phil Donehue. However conservites have Bill O' Rilley so don't give me that whiney bullsh*t that oh the media is so conservitive boohoo.

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Bias is usually the claim of someone who does not like the slant of the story! ;)

For world events I tend to follow the BBC now.

I live in the UK, and so all u can basicaly watch is the BBC for news over here. They're biased. Trust me.

eg. They like the Palestianians, Iraqis, themselves, the UN and the EU.
They dislike the Republicans, Howard Dean and Vladmir Putin.

The media are only as liberal as the corporations that own them.

:)

I found this interesting comparison of media outlets on a weblog named My DD (Due Diligence) (http://mydd.com). Look at these two news stories on the same event, by what are supposed to be two impartial sources--AP and Reuters.

The story is the awarding of the Palme D'Or at Cannes to Fahrenheit 9/11.

From the AP: (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=502&e=5&u=/ap/20040522/ap_on_en_mo/france_cannes_awards)
The headline reads "Fahrenheit 9/11 wins Cannes' Top Prize."

From Reuters: (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20040522/en_nm/arts_cannes_palme_dc)
The headline reads "Anti-Bush Tirade Wins Top Award in Cannes."

Take a closer look at the two--it gets worse. Reuters describes the film as a diatribe and describes Quentin Tarantino as a cult director. The AP largely leaves the judgments out of their piece, which it should, seeing as it's a news piece and not an opinion piece.

I'd be interested in looking up the backgrounds of the authors of these respective pieces and seeing if there's any connections to politics.

despite the presence of some liberals and moderates in the american media--the CONTENT of the media is rightwing and all criticizms of the worst most extremist and dangerous President in american history is either censored totally are muted at best

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and I concur.