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More Bad News from Iraq- 7 US and over 20 Iraqi's Dead

05-04-2004, 20:27
BAGHDAD - US Apache helicopters sprayed fire on the private army of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr during fierce battles Monday in the western Baghdad district of Al-Showla, witnesses said.

"Two Apaches opened fire on armed members of the Mehdi Army," said Showla resident Abbas Amid. (http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=9512)

:? Is it just me or are things going from bad to worse?


More Shittiness Here (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/05/iraq.basra.reut/index.html)
Free Soviets
05-04-2004, 20:44
its gonna be funny when the communist party of iraq becomes the group america relies on as the stable and trustworthy force.
05-04-2004, 21:02
This is what really gets me...

The fighting erupted when five trucks of US soldiers and the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) tried to enter the district and were attacked by Sadr supporters, Amid said.

Coming under fire, the ICDC, a paramilitary force trained by the Americans, turned on the US soldiers and started to shoot at them, according to Amid.

Oh what a tangled web...
05-04-2004, 21:41
Thats what you get whith Americans trampelling around. Nice job.
05-04-2004, 21:41
Thats what you get whith Americans trampelling around. Nice job.
Zeppistan
05-04-2004, 22:23
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:
05-04-2004, 22:47
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:
You doubt it will work? :lol:
05-04-2004, 22:55
:( It appears to me that the wholl messstarted with the shutdown of a newspaper. A free country needs a free press. Though when the voting starts I can see a man who controls an armed millita will use it to intimidate voters to his point of veiw. I'm not there so I have no idea what people are going through in Iraq. Iraqi citizens and US troops. I just hope that everything works out in the end.
05-04-2004, 22:56
:( It appears to me that the wholl messstarted with the shutdown of a newspaper. A free country needs a free press. Though when the voting starts I can see a man who controls an armed millita will use it to intimidate voters to his point of veiw. I'm not there so I have no idea what people are going through in Iraq. Iraqi citizens and US troops. I just hope that everything works out in the end.
Incertonia
05-04-2004, 23:18
Appears to me that the whole mess started when George Bush decided after his election that he was going to invade Iraq no matter what.
Free Soviets
05-04-2004, 23:28
This is what really gets me...

The fighting erupted when five trucks of US soldiers and the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) tried to enter the district and were attacked by Sadr supporters, Amid said.

Coming under fire, the ICDC, a paramilitary force trained by the Americans, turned on the US soldiers and started to shoot at them, according to Amid.

Oh what a tangled web...

hell, i bet some parts of the iraqi resistance probably have an organized plan to get weapons and training and funding from the americans.
Friends of Bill
06-04-2004, 02:26
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:
Better that than not having the courage to do anything, like candaians. Iraqis, and most Arabs, need a fist, not an open hand.
Groesser Deutsch Reich
06-04-2004, 02:31
Americans are stupid. Genocide is the only answer.
Kwangistar
06-04-2004, 02:33
al-Sadr (the one causing the trouble) has a relatively small powerbase outside his "city", so cracking down on him will probably help us in the whole, as Sistani will be pleased.
Tumaniaa
06-04-2004, 03:03
It's been awhile since we've heard the yanks speak of this "war for hearts&mindsĀ®" crap...

So, is it over yet?
CanuckHeaven
06-04-2004, 07:37
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:
Better that than not having the courage to do anything, like candaians. Iraqis, and most Arabs, need a fist, not an open hand.
Canadians had the courage to do the right thing and stay out of Iraq. Canada was not about to violate International law just because America couldn't be patient with the UN inspectors. Iraq had no ability to harm America and the world knows that more today than ever before.

This war is illegal and immoral and it will haunt America for years to come.
CanuckHeaven
06-04-2004, 07:41
al-Sadr (the one causing the trouble) has a relatively small powerbase outside his "city", so cracking down on him will probably help us in the whole, as Sistani will be pleased.
The Iraqis would probably think that it is the Americans that are causing all the trouble? Killing this guy will just make more martyrs.
Incertonia
06-04-2004, 07:43
I posted this on the Al-Sadr thread, but what the hell, it's appropriate here.

Perhaps this isn't an exact analogy, but I imagine JFK and LBJ never thought Ho Chi Minh would get out of hand either. And if you think that Al-Sadr doesn't have support, read this article from the Sydney Morning Herald. (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/05/1081017100527.html)

This is scary:
The fighting erupted when five trucks of US soldiers and the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) tried to enter the district and were attacked by Sadr supporters, Amid said.

Coming under fire, the ICDC, a paramilitary force trained by the Americans, turned on the US soldiers and started to shoot at them, according to Amid.

The soldiers fled their vehicles and headed for cover and then began to battle both the Mehdi Army and the ICDC members, he said. Their vehicles were set ablaze.

What was that about being able to turn over authority by June 30?
06-04-2004, 07:56
al-Sadr (the one causing the trouble) has a relatively small powerbase outside his "city", so cracking down on him will probably help us in the whole, as Sistani will be pleased.

That's a lie. The US just continues to downplay al-Sadr so that it doesn't seem to the American people that the majority of Iraqis don't want to be occupied anymore.
06-04-2004, 08:01
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:

If it were up to me, it would've been all-out 30mm cannon. Oh, right.. it is up to me, to a small degree. :twisted: But not for another year and a half. :cry:
Kirtondom
06-04-2004, 08:04
al-Sadr (the one causing the trouble) has a relatively small powerbase outside his "city", so cracking down on him will probably help us in the whole, as Sistani will be pleased.

That's a lie. The US just continues to downplay al-Sadr so that it doesn't seem to the American people that the majority of Iraqis don't want to be occupied anymore.
The UK forces are dealing with the same problems in a far less heavy handed way and are getting a better reaction. They are talking to the disidents and listening to thier demands, it is after all thier country and that is what democracy is all about. Saying all that they are still prepared to enforce the law if murder etc is on the agenda.
Incertonia
06-04-2004, 08:33
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:

If it were up to me, it would've been all-out 30mm cannon. Oh, right.. it is up to me, to a small degree. :twisted: But not for another year and a half. :cry:With that kind of attitude, you'll be in the stockade within months.
06-04-2004, 10:11
Ah yes... helicopter gunships spraying urban areas with 50 cal machine gun bullets.

That'll win the hearts and minds of Iraqis!

:roll:

If it were up to me, it would've been all-out 30mm cannon. Oh, right.. it is up to me, to a small degree. :twisted: But not for another year and a half. :cry:With that kind of attitude, you'll be in the stockade within months.

We'll see. :wink: Seriously though, I don't trust helicopters.. my dad was a helicopter crew-chief during Nam, and I've heard enough out of him to make anyone think twice before stepping into one of those things. No doubt, the number of people saved by helicopter evacuation probably exceeds the number of those killed in crashes ten-fold, but I'm not big on heights either way. :shock: :wink: