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notable questions include:

If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin?

Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament?

Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?

Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?

Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?

Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there?

In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?

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Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there?

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In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

Well i'm not a bible expert, or christian for that matter, i still can answer this question. While in the Garden of Eden, humans were immortal. Once cast out, they weren't. Therefore, by eating the apple and getting the boot, they would die.

i'm not really a "Christian," but whateverIf even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin? He did not contemplate it. Coveting is a sin... heck, it's a commandment. When you covet, you have an extreme desire for something that isn't yours. Christ had no desire to give into the devil's temptations, he made his choice before the devil even began tempting him... as we all should. Make your hard choices now, so you don't have to decide on the spot.

Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament? Matthew refers to him as Emannuel once.

Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament? The verse you reference says nothing of destruction...

Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph? Mary married Joseph, and took on his name... meaning she took on his lineage... meaning, as far as God was concerned, she was married into the lineage from david.

Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble? The gospels all tell different aspects of the stories... if they were the same, then we wouldn't need all of them :P

Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there?[quote]He descended below all things, so that no one could say they were below him, and that no one could say they were beyond salvation.

Plus.. who ever said they would spend eternity there?

[quote]In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9. Wow, you're scrapin at the bottom of the barrel here. God was telling the truth... they did die. before Adam and Eve fell, they were immortal... eating the apple turned them mortal, and gave them knowledge of discernment of good and evil, and thus began life as we know it.

Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?Elohim is the proper name of God the Father. Eli or Eloi is just a Galilean form of the same word.

Any other brainbusters? :P

The KK just got OWNED!!!

Oh my god come on guys its like 4 a.m and we are discussing religion ?



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Camdean secretly laughs knowing there wont be any quickly thought of made up come backs for this religious answer heheh :wink:

The KK just got OWNED!!!Don't mess with a Latter-Day Saint :P

The KK just got OWNED!!!Don't mess with a Latter-Day Saint :P

Just posting some notable ones.

Read on.

Wow. You've got 134 to go.

YOU JUST GOT SERVED!

Come on, Raysia, let's go spin on our heads.

The KK just got OWNED!!!Don't mess with a Latter-Day Saint :P

Just posting some notable ones.

Read on.

Wow. You've got 134 to go.

YOU JUST GOT SERVED!

Come on, Raysia, let's go spin on our heads.I'm not going to go through them all. Pull out 5-10 hard ones.

Read by clicking here (http://www.thoughtshop.com/Christers/autoresponse.htm)

notable questions include:

If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin?

He didn't think about doing it. He completely ignored it. You can want something, you just can't think about doing it, or do it. Ex. You can want a cookie, but you can't think about sneaking it when your mom ain't lookin, and you can't sneak it when she ain't lookin'.

Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament?

It never says they didn't, it's just not recorded. They could have called him that all the time, and no one bothered to write it down because they already told you he'd be called that.

Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?

Not sure what that means, actually...

Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?

Well, in those days, the mother's husband was the father. Or, she was sleeping around. This also conflicts with some other sect of Christianity who believe that Marry had a physical relationship with God in order to conceive (Obviously making her NOT a virgin). You can stew over it all you like, and i'm not exactly sure what that meant, but, like i said first, your mom's hubby is your dad.

Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?

One, he would've figured it out once the conspiracy got around. Once they actually started doing stuff, he would've known. I don't see how anyone would find any problems with that...

Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there?

Hell is basically timeless, as far as i can understand it. Three days to us is still enternity for Jesus. The three days was a linear example so we could actually comprehend it.

In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

Too lazy to look up those last two, but: Yes, Satan was telling the truth, partially, which is what he does. If you look back at your verses about Jesus being tempted, you'll see that everything that Satab said was true, Jesus could turn the rocks into bread if he wanted to, he just didn't want to.
Also, Adam and Eve did die, didn't they? And God never said they wouldn't learn about Good and Evil, did he?

Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?

Um, that would be translation issues. One answer that i could think of off the top of my head would be that someone was praising El, and it eventually got into the mainstream slang. Another guess would be that someone took one name of God, and used it as a name for their pagan God.


Most of what Raysia said is good. Being a mormon, though, he'll have some different beliefs.

If you'd like, I'll look all of this up in my bible. Just gram me, and i'll look up whatever you want...