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It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?

He slipped on some oil, its part of the whole process of regaining balanced except this very slow for some reason.

i think all this Bush bashing has started to get to him..im a die heart Republican an i will vote for him but yes its getting weird :shock:

Bush was streaking?

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, **** and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat doWhoa, I know its just evil of him, I mean, Funding Alt Fuels? Giving money to the NEA? Its just Pure Evil I tell ya! Funding Arts programs! Where Will it End?? Its a slippery Slope!

Bush was streaking?

I hope not.

The common right-wing opinion, which happens to be mine, is: Bush is working at losing my vote... but would I vote for Kerry? heck no.

Two words: Election Year

He's being a normal politician and trying to please both sides so he'll get re-elected.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, **** and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat doWhoa, I know its just evil of him, I mean, Funding Alt Fuels? Giving money to the NEA? Its just Pure Evil I tell ya! Funding Arts programs! Where Will it End?? Its a slippery Slope!Nonono, we're all for the funding of alt. fuels... we don't like funding nonsense programs like the NEA... we're supposed to be spending LESS. Bush is turning into a Big-Spending Democrat.

He's being a normal politician and trying to please both sides so he'll get re-elected.he sure is pissing off his republican friends :P

He's being a normal politician and trying to please both sides so he'll get re-elected.he sure is pissing off his republican friends :PThat's okay because he knows that his Republican friends will NEVER vote for Kerry.

The common right-wing opinion, which happens to be mine, is: Bush is working at losing my vote... but would I vote for Kerry? heck no.

vote libertarian in that case. ;)

HaHA!
No- It hasn't affected my vote.
His history is too much for me - actions speak louder than words, and I hate most (MOST) of his actions.

Besides, he is still nowhere NEAR the left.

He's not really a conservative either - I mean, come on - he's expanding the federal government, spending the ghost of Clinton's surplus, advocating for changes to the CONSTITUTION of the U.S. of A.

Jeez- what is Bush's true party?!!!

He's being a normal politician and trying to please both sides so he'll get re-elected.he sure is pissing off his republican friends :PThat's okay because he knows that his Republican friends will NEVER vote for Kerry.very true. It's kinda the republican version of the left's "anyone but bush" policy :P

The common right-wing opinion, which happens to be mine, is: Bush is working at losing my vote... but would I vote for Kerry? heck no.

vote libertarian in that case. ;)You mean throw away your vote? Yeah, you're a real good contributer to the election there :P

HaHA!
No- It hasn't affected my vote.
His history is too much for me - actions speak louder than words, and I hate most (MOST) of his actions.

Besides, he is still nowhere NEAR the left.

He's not really a conservative either - I mean, come on - he's expanding the federal government, spending the ghost of Clinton's surplus, advocating for changes to the CONSTITUTION of the U.S. of A.

Jeez- what is Bush's true party?!!!he's still right-of-center, but he's to the left of most republicans.

On the other hand... John Kerry is easily the farest-left senator in the democratic part, and he's running :P

[quote="Raysia"] he's still right-of-center, but he's to the left of most republicans.

On the other hand... John Kerry is easily the farest-left senator in the democratic part, and he's running :P[/quote

maybe fiscally, but in terms of social issues he's pretty much set his Christian Conservatism in stone. He can spend on social programs all he likes, but he'll never rid of his anti-civil rights stigma. Patriot 1 and 2 were both bad enough, much less supporting a constitutional amendment to limit invidual action and relationships. Basically he's losing the support of the buisness side of the GOP, but he's not really getting much out of it.]

HaHA!
No- It hasn't affected my vote.
His history is too much for me - actions speak louder than words, and I hate most (MOST) of his actions.

Besides, he is still nowhere NEAR the left.

He's not really a conservative either - I mean, come on - he's expanding the federal government, spending the ghost of Clinton's surplus, advocating for changes to the CONSTITUTION of the U.S. of A.

Jeez- what is Bush's true party?!!!he's still right-of-center, but he's to the left of most republicans.

On the other hand... John Kerry is easily the farest-left senator in the democratic part, and he's running :P

John Kerry is a slightly-right-of-centrist by international standards so yes he is. ;)

As a liberal, I say it is a good thing that Bush will be loosing votes

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)

[quote=Raysia] he's still right-of-center, but he's to the left of most republicans.

On the other hand... John Kerry is easily the farest-left senator in the democratic part, and he's running :P[/quote

maybe fiscally, but in terms of social issues he's pretty much set his Christian Conservatism in stone. He can spend on social programs all he likes, but he'll never rid of his anti-civil rights stigma. Patriot 1 and 2 were both bad enough, much less supporting a constitutional amendment to limit invidual action and relationships. Basically he's losing the support of the buisness side of the GOP, but he's not really getting much out of it.]True. That's the other problem with john kerry... when he gets elected, there's a good chance he'll act like a republican (you know, before he acts like a democrat :P)

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...

The common right-wing opinion, which happens to be mine, is: Bush is working at losing my vote... but would I vote for Kerry? heck no.

vote libertarian in that case. ;)You mean throw away your vote? Yeah, you're a real good contributer to the election there :P

I'm not American. telling you to vote libertarian because while I don't really care about what Bush does to you, I do care about his administration's global actions.

Which are unanimously bad. :P

He's being a normal politician and trying to please both sides so he'll get re-elected.


Your right

:wink: A benifit of democracy is you can fire a president every four years if you don't like the way he performs his duties.

8) The presidensecy is a job, not a boardroom seat.

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...
What? Don't be fooled by all the red on their page. They are leaning toward the right.

True. That's the other problem with john kerry... when he gets elected, there's a good chance he'll act like a republican (you know, before he acts like a democrat :P)

If he was fiscally right and socially left, I'd be a very happy camper. And hey, to be fair, Bush acted like a republican, and now acts like a porkbarelling, real politiking figurehead.

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...
What? Don't be fooled by all the red on their page. They are leaning toward the right.All I see is a bunch of Nazi and Fasist stuff.... what does that have to do with the republicans? The KKK left power a long time ago, and is heavily looked down upon by the right... let alone nazis and fascists.

We'll as a republican, i say he needs al lthe support he can get. We need a continuation of policies not the chaos that comes from an admin. change, in the middle of all this, thats why we kept FDR for 16 years in arow

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...
What? Don't be fooled by all the red on their page. They are leaning toward the right.All I see is a bunch of Nazi and Fasist stuff.... what does that have to do with the republicans? The KKK left power a long time ago, and is heavily looked down upon by the right... let alone nazis and fascists.
Thats not a KKK site. And I was offering an alternative to the Reps and Dems.

True. That's the other problem with john kerry... when he gets elected, there's a good chance he'll act like a republican (you know, before he acts like a democrat :P)

If he was fiscally right and socially left, I'd be a very happy camper. And hey, to be fair, Bush acted like a republican, and now acts like a porkbarelling, real politiking figurehead.Yup.

And for those of you who don't know, words like "politics" and "politicizing" are bad words :) And it is what both BVush and Kerry are doing...

Bush is "Playing politics", which means he's pretending to be (or is?) left, to try to get more votes.

Kerry is "politicizing" stuff like 9/11 in order to cause contraversy (and get attention away from the fact that he is on the wrong side of the defense issues :P)

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...
What? Don't be fooled by all the red on their page. They are leaning toward the right.All I see is a bunch of Nazi and Fasist stuff.... what does that have to do with the republicans? The KKK left power a long time ago, and is heavily looked down upon by the right... let alone nazis and fascists.
Thats not a KKK site. And I was offering an alternative to the Reps and Dems.You seriously want neo-nazis in office? What kind of sick person are you?

Just vote for these guys. At least you won't be able to complain about their leftism. (http://www.ns-party.com/whatisthensdap.html)LOL

I don't get it...
What? Don't be fooled by all the red on their page. They are leaning toward the right.All I see is a bunch of Nazi and Fasist stuff.... what does that have to do with the republicans? The KKK left power a long time ago, and is heavily looked down upon by the right... let alone nazis and fascists.
Thats not a KKK site. And I was offering an alternative to the Reps and Dems.You seriously want neo-nazis in office? What kind of sick person are you?
At least they have cooler clothes then Bush. Plus they look butch in their leathercoats. And their site has cool music. Does Bush his site has music? No.

It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?

Well, I don't know what Bush was expecting to gain by throwing more funding to the NEA. Conservatives love to hate it. Some liberals support it, but weakly. I don't know many who would get passionate about it. And those who do get passionate about it are probably not going to vote for Bush for other reasons.

As for the Condi Rice thing, I don't know if I'd call that "leaning to the left." By refusing to let her testify, Bush made a dumb political decision that made it look like he was trying to hide something. When he realized that it was doing more harm than good, he flip-flopped. But this is politics, not political ideology. I don't think that there's nothing inherently "conservative" about Bush's attempt to block Rice's testimony.

Leaning to the left, as in proposing an anti-gay constitutional amendment?

Or grossly enriching pharmaceutical companies through the medicare giveaway?

He has never done one thing which did not make the rich richer; he's been totally consistent with his constitutent base.

Yup.

And for those of you who don't know, words like "politics" and "politicizing" are bad words :) And it is what both BVush and Kerry are doing...

Bush is "Playing politics", which means he's pretending to be (or is?) left, to try to get more votes.

Kerry is "politicizing" stuff like 9/11 in order to cause contraversy (and get attention away from the fact that he is on the wrong side of the defense issues :P)

No, real politik refers to a specific kind of cutthroat, principle-less, Machiavellian political maneuvering. The Kremlin during the Soviet era has a good example- no-holds barred struggle for power. Bush is willing to destroy peoples careers and lie to the public to stay in office. I don't believe Kerry will do that.

So has gone towards the left?

So that leaves your options at the next election at slightly right, and erm.. slightly right...

Saying that Bush has slid to the left just proves how meaningless the right-left designations are. Simply put, Bush does whatever he thinks will help him get re-elected. He doesn't want Condi Rice testifying, but his own party and public opinion backed him into an inescapable corner. Same thing with the 9-11 commission. But make no mistake about it--Bush isn't betraying any core principles here--he's still a socially conservative fiscally irresponsible friend of big corporations and enemy of the working class. Left and right have nothing to do with it.

Raysia please give some examples to justify ur opinion. I see nothing that proves what ur saying. His dealings with foreign affairs and the economy are clearly still very much right wing. And Bush’s actions towards certain scientific studies and, recently, the gay marriage issue haven’t really been left wing either, have they. so can you please tell what makes you think bush’s political agenda has shifted to the left?

Raysia please give some examples to justify ur opinion. I see nothing that proves what ur saying. His dealings with foreign affairs and the economy are clearly still very much right wing. And Bush’s actions towards certain scientific studies and, recently, the gay marriage issue haven’t really been left wing either, have they. so can you please tell what makes you think bush’s political agenda has shifted to the left?Not to speak for Raysia, but other people who have made the accusation that Bush is sliding left are doing so based on the basis of a big lie--that is that the Democratis party, or the left in this case, is a group of deficit spending, high tax politicians, when in fact, recent history shows that the Democrats have been the fiscally responsible party and the Republicans have been the group more responsible for the runaway national debt. So if you buy the underlying logic, then the idea that Bush has moved left makes some sense--if you realize the underlying logic is crap, then you realize that Bush is no more left than Genghis Khan.

Now Raysia may be dealing with another underlying logic, so I won't state that he's playing the same game that other pundits are.

But make no mistake about it--Bush isn't betraying any core principles here--he's still a socially conservative fiscally irresponsible friend of big corporations and enemy of the working class. Left and right have nothing to do with it.

i don't know, that's what i take right to mean. they've done a good job with the 'small government' meme in the past couple of decade, but anyone who pays attention knows that's bullshit - so fiscal irresponsibility fits right in.

[quote] King Charles of Hamshire, "I think its outrageous. He tells us first that he will be a right-winger all the way, but up comes election day and he's trying to lick the liberals' you know what. He tries to get in cushy with the democratic party so he can carress their votes from them, and meanwhile us good conservatives are left out in the cold."

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify , and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.


I take it you're opposed to the 9/11 investigation because you know the Bush Administration was behind it but don't want him to lose any votes over it?

No... well, why else would this outrage you?

The moral of the story is quite clear- Bush is an unprincipled and politically incompetent nit. If even the Conservatives are starting to realise this, then, well, maybe there's hope for them. So, what's the answer? Well, the answer is for nobody to vote Bush. The left-wing and centre-left and centre can all vote for John Kerry- he's a bit right wing, yes, but compromise is the key word here. The centre-right and right can vote for Kerry if they can bring themselves to put sense before flag-waving, and the neo-cons and other extreme-right groups can vote for Adolf Hitler. So, he's neither alive, eligible, nor a candidate, but since when did democratic process and reality matter to the right wing anyway?
Not only that, but it would discredit the Republican party for almost as long as re-electing Bush would, so a double winner! :D

I see it as a political game. Bush is trying to seem more moderate to get the critical centralist vote. He does not want to seem too far to the right or Kerry will stand a greater chance of getting the moderate vote, which would cost Bush the election. Bush's policies will be terrible (terrible in the eyes of a liberal, like myself) his second term (but hopefully we will not find out either way).

It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?

There has been claim that Bush is too conservative so he's swinging more centrist to get the moderate voters, which is what everyone appeals to.

There has been claim that Bush is too conservative so he's swinging more centrist to get the moderate voters, which is what everyone appeals to.

Which part of Bush is conservative, his military-imperialism, his constitution-violating Patriot Act, his unprecedented government expansionism, his Billion Dollar Aids Package to Africa, his appeasment of illegal aliens, his devotion to NAFTA or his national ID card plans?

It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

What left? There's no "left" in the USA... What are you talking about?

Obviously Bush is still more Right than Kerry is Left, and in my opinion if Bush doesn't do something about it then Kerry will win. He'll have the staunchly-democrat vote, and the moderate vote. Bush is appearing to be more democratic by allowing Rice to testify so as to appear less extremist. But then again I wouldn't have said the Nazis were extreme-Right. Obviously they were undemocratic and oppressive, but then again so were the Soviet Union and they are obviously not Right wing. They didn't support big business or small government - their policy was to provide for citizens 'from cradle to grave'. A lot of industry was nationalized, they destroyed finance and interest, broke up monopolies. I wouldn't decribe any of that as 'Right'. Its just Fascist, something completely different. Bush is nothing like Hitler, but that doesn't mean I think Kerry is.

If I was American, I'd vote Kerry, purely because I think he'll improve Americas standing worldwide. Terrorism will stop when America stops being fighting back, and I don't think Kerry is a fighter.

and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs

What is so bad about that? I think that it's a very good thing considering America's terrible (absolutely abismal) record on the environment. If only you guys would do more.

Bush is no more left than Genghis Khan.

Genghis Kahn came from the Peoples Republic of Mongolia. It doesn't get any leftier then that.

Perhaps he realised that the left was right :twisted:

You cant just go about being a slave to ideology. A good decision maker knows that both sides of the fence has something to offer.

I have been hearing a lot about how Republicans are more fiscally responsible than Democrats. Is it true or is it a myth?

US Debt 1980 to 2004

Reagan 1988 $2,602,337,712,041.00
Reagan 1980 $930,210,000,000.00
Total Debt Increase $1,672,127,712,041.00

Avg. Debt Increase per year $209,015,964,005.13 (8 years Reagan)

George H. W. Bush 1992 $4,064,620,655,521.00
George H. W. Bush 1988 $2,602,337,712,041.00
Total Debt Increase $1,462,282,943,480.00

Avg. Debt Increase per year $365,570,735,870.00 (4 years George H. W. Bush)

Bill Clinton 2000 $5,674,178,209,886.00
Bill Clinton 1992 $4,064,620,655,521.00
Total Debt Increase $1,609,557,554,365.00

Avg. Debt Increase per year $201,194,694,295.63 (8 years Bill Clinton)

George W. Bush 2004 $7,131,067,950,647.00 (03/31/2004)
George W. Bush 2000 $5,674,178,209,886.00
Total Debt Increase $1,456,889,740,761.00

Avg. Debt Increase per year $416,254,211,646.00 (3.5 years George W. Bush)

In the past 6 months the US Debt has increased $347,836,887,903.70

Does the old adage "life father, like son" hold true?

Should Americans be concerned?

Source:

Debt to the penny: http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

I dunno. Tell me who was in Congress approving the budgets, please. Until them your statistics mean BS, sorry. http://www.languish.org/forums/html/emoticons/hug.gif

"Reagan prooved that Deficits dont matter!!!" - Some obscure future Vagrant.

It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?

I think you are hilarious.

GW is left leaning?

Now THAT is comedy!

First Question: Since when is alternative fuels inherently "left leaning"? Unless you want to make a blanket statement that conservatives refuse to consider steps that reduce dependance on foreign fuel sources, that they all don't care about environmental issues, and that they all think that funding research is bad idea. If that is the case, perhaps they should stop funding all research into more sophisticated and efficient weapons systems too...

Second Question: How was GW caving to the left on the Condi Rice issue when the Republicans were pushing for her to testify just as hard if not harder than the Democrats? Why? Because they want her to be able to refute Clarke's testimony that they feel damaged their image. You would know that.... if you bothered to actually pay attention to the news.

As for the NEA, that is just about the smallest budget item on the agenda, and in case you haven't noticed it was the image of "comapssionate conservatism: that got GW elected. By maintaining that program he is just trying to hold on to a bit of that.

In the meantime, he has made recess appointments of contraversial right-leaning judges, put a lot of effor into his faith-based initiatives, and even pushed for that constitutional ammendment regarding gay marriage.

Frankly, I don't think anyone any further right than GW will ever be electable in the US.
Thankfully.
-Z-

Well see the problem is, they've created a monster.
Neo-cons have been in the grooming since Nixon. They were in the closet during the eighties. Now with Bush they are out and Proud.

Before the Neo-cons were telling thier disciples what to think. Guiding them. Now they are calling for things all on thier own. These clowns advocating an invasion of Saudi Arabia are a prime example. Its not official Neo-con policy from HQ. Its the same logic for Afghanistan. Logically it should happen Yet it doesnt because its politicaly, wrong. THe Saudi's are the Neo-cons Friends. Plus the Hawks would lose an awful lot of money because of it. It shows Neo-conservatism is evolving as its own persuasion, and not as a justification As it has been used before..

It's a real problem. Many Bush supporters are considering dropping their votes because lately he's been on a streak of appeasing, appealing to, and caving into the left. Is Bush's recent behavior disturbing to my fellow republicans on this board? I know many conservative talk shows have been bashing Bush over it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean left-appeasing (and right-pissing-off) stuff like the National Endowment for the Arts, allowing condy rice to testify, and a bunch of other stuff that would seem to fit the agenda of a democrat more than a democrat.

And to my Democrat friends, has any of this left-appeasing stuff, like the above, and the money granted to the Alternative fuel-source research programs, and all the other stuff that Bush is doing that you'd like to see a Democrat do... has any of it affected your decision?

What do you guys think?

oh no. not alternative fuel research! heaven forbid we try and help the environment.
you dumb conservative scum. when the world's rainforests and ozone and resources all are depleted, then you'll see what liberals were so worried about.

and raysia, we had this conversation before, democrats arent liberal. they are moderates. we liberals just are choosing the lesser of two evils. you really think i want someone who believes in an invisble zombie god to rule the most powerful country in the world?

"The Repblicans are the party that always say the government doesn't work, then they go get elected and prove it" ;)

"Reagan prooved that Deficits dont matter!!!" - Some obscure future Vagrant.

reagan also nearly got the U.S bombed by Russia twice because he didn't know what the hell he was rambling about.
Too bad he forgot about that... :P ahahahaha

"Reagan prooved that Deficits dont matter!!!" - Some obscure future Vagrant.

reagan also nearly got the U.S bombed by Russia twice because he didn't know what the hell he was rambling about.
Too bad he forgot about that... :P ahahahaha

How soon these young whipper-snappers forget. Well, in fairness they probably don't remember it. Except what they've read. I lived through it. Ronald Reagan almost bankrupted the United States.. "Deficits dont matter" my a$$!

I'm not sure what all this sh*t is about Bush leaning either left or right, he completely defies all definition in those terms, he has clearly shown that he doesn't give a damn what this country stands for with his constitutional ammendmet BS, how can anyone be even considered competent to act as president when they present and ammendment that is counter to what the constitution itself stands for.

Hey.... wait a minute.... what the hell are we saying?




Gosh Raysia.. you are Sooooooooooooooo right! you have shown me the light!


Bush is a Liberal mole who is going to ruin your country by funding all sorts of left wing agendas!

He must be stopped!


Please, join us in convincing as many Republicans as you can NOT to vote for him this year! It's the only way to save the country from the Red Menace that is GW!


:lol:

-Z-

"The Repblicans are the party that always say the government doesn't work, then they go get elected and prove it" ;)

:lol: It's funny cuz it's true! :lol:

rightwing extremists like Bush always run to the left to try and get re-elected just to trick people into thinking that theyre human

"Reagan prooved that Deficits dont matter!!!" - Some obscure future Vagrant.

reagan also nearly got the U.S bombed by Russia twice because he didn't know what the hell he was rambling about.
Too bad he forgot about that... :P ahahahaha

How soon these young whipper-snappers forget. Well, in fairness they probably don't remember it. Except what they've read. I lived through it. Ronald Reagan almost bankrupted the United States.. "Deficits dont matter" my a$$!

I'd be willing to bet that if Cheney's a young whipper-snapper, your still in utero.

oh no. not alternative fuel research! heaven forbid we try and help the environment.
you dumb conservative scum. when the world's rainforests and ozone and resources all are depleted, then you'll see what liberals were so worried about.Actually..."A hydrogen economy could create bigger, longer-lasting ozone holes over the polar regions".
Articles (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=active&q=hydrogen+ozone+hole&btnG=Search)
I am aware that there are other alternative fuels.

This really is a case of perspective. If you're a follower of Judge Roy Moore, then just about anything Bush does looks like a slide to the left. If you're a Naderite, then just about anything Kerry does looks like a shift to the right. And if you're in the middle of the road, then you're likely either a yellow stripe or roadkill (thanks, Jim Hightower).

well, bush is a political rogue already..
i doubt anything could save his ratings ;P

Actually..."A hydrogen economy could create bigger, longer-lasting ozone holes over the polar regions".
I am aware that there are other alternative fuels.

Theres a lot more to be said about this than you mention. Nature (http://www.nature.com/nsu/030609/030609-14.html)

Its a very subjective study. It works on modern standards, and not how things will be. Who's to say that we wont fix those problems because we dont want the ozone layer depleted?

And it even says at the bottom (Added by the Nature reporter I assume)
"If it takes more than 50 years for hydrogen to become widely used as a fuel, CFCs will have largely disappeared and ozone depletion will no longer be a problem. By then, hydrogen transport and production might also be less leaky."

well, bush is a political rogue already..
i doubt anything could save his ratings ;P
If you think Bush is doomed, what do you think about John Kerry who has even lower ratings in the polls? (albeit only by like 4%).

"Reagan prooved that Deficits dont matter!!!" - Some obscure future Vagrant.

reagan also nearly got the U.S bombed by Russia twice because he didn't know what the hell he was rambling about.
Too bad he forgot about that... :P ahahahaha

How soon these young whipper-snappers forget. Well, in fairness they probably don't remember it. Except what they've read. I lived through it. Ronald Reagan almost bankrupted the United States.. "Deficits dont matter" my a$$!

I'd be willing to bet that if Cheney's a young whipper-snapper, your still in utero.

Cheney was/is part of the problem.. I'm not, that's the point.

well, bush is a political rogue already..
i doubt anything could save his ratings ;P
If you think Bush is doomed, what do you think about John Kerry who has even lower ratings in the polls? (albeit only by like 4%).

Statistically irrelivant. It is 50/50. And bush, or more precisely Rove has made it that way. They purposely Divided This way they can pull some stunt and pull the swingers round to thier side and win the election.

Theres a lot more to be said about this than you mention.Certainly. I chose to link instead of copy-paste whole articles.

Bush is a Liberal mole who is going to ruin your country by funding all sorts of left wing agendas!

liberal?! i saw him reading lenin's "the state and revolution". that commie bastard is just pretending to be liberal so as to not alienate the electorate. good thing we've seen through his lies.

It is a tradgedy how many republicans we have here however i shall not attempt to show you the light i instead will allow you to find the light on your own however Bush has a dark history that has been shadowed by 2 wars:

1) He destroyed President Clinton's Surplus
2) He rejected the Kyoto Protocol allowing for increasing levels of Greenhouse gases to be released into the atmosphere
3) His foreign policy basically has taken on the attitude of Disagree with me i will go to war with you
4) HE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ

To quote John F. Kennedy "Our most basic link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breath the same air. We all cherish our childrens future. And we are all mortal."

I am in no means a Democrat either i know that there ideas are too liberal such as Gay Marriage and Abortion so it is this i ask of you when you go to the voting boxes vote not for Kerry or Bush instead vote for a leader who would both help our economy and help our environment:
Ralph Nader

well, bush is a political rogue already..
i doubt anything could save his ratings ;P
If you think Bush is doomed, what do you think about John Kerry who has even lower ratings in the polls? (albeit only by like 4%).

Statistically irrelivant. It is 50/50. And bush, or more precisely Rove has made it that way. They purposely Divided This way they can pull some stunt and pull the swingers round to thier side and win the election.

What was the point of that response? All I was saying is that if you think Bush is doomed due to his poll ratings, then John Kerry who consistently scores a few points lower must be doomed as well.

well, bush is a political rogue already..
i doubt anything could save his ratings ;P
If you think Bush is doomed, what do you think about John Kerry who has even lower ratings in the polls? (albeit only by like 4%).
Considering that Kerry was 17% behind on Jan. 11 (57% to 40%), I don't imagine that the Democrats would be upset by the recent poll. There is still a long way to go and I am sure that it will be an interesting race to the end.

It still represents a slip, considering he was ahead and/or tied in polls a few weeks ago, although its still not anything to worry about, as you said polls can change. George Bush was something like 20 points ahead after primaries in 2000 and he ended up losing the popular vote.

It is a tradgedy how many republicans we have here however i shall not attempt to show you the light i instead will allow you to find the light on your own however Bush has a dark history that has been shadowed by 2 wars:

1) He destroyed President Clinton's Surplus
2) He rejected the Kyoto Protocol allowing for increasing levels of Greenhouse gases to be released into the atmosphere
3) His foreign policy basically has taken on the attitude of Disagree with me i will go to war with you
4) HE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ

Bush is a gungho smacktard who doesn't like people having their own opinion. I do not follow the whole thing so closely, but I have the same general opinion and I think the truth needs to be spoken. To continue from what my good friend Godsmack was saying...

5: He wages war at the drop of a hat with any nation who opposes him
6: He still waged the war after saddam hussein began to disarm what weapons he did actually have.
7: His policy for international diplomacy is "shoot first, look for evidence of weapons of mass destruction later"
8: A CHIMPANZEE COULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN HIM! BUSH OR CHIMP! :lol: :wink:

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