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If the US presidential election were held today,
and all of the viable 3rd parties tied with the 2 major parties,
and you were the last person to vote;
knowing that your vote would decide the winner;
For what political Party would you vote?

(I had to leave out Reform, Natural Law, Constitution Party, etc. because of polling constraints).

Sorry guys. i am new, and messed up the poll somehow. :oops:

I guess that means that the computers went down at the polling booths and everyone had to write in their candidate. :?

I'd vote bush. None of the libertarians I care for. They are against the war and military it seems somewhat which I am not. Also theres the abortion issue. I just want a libertarian/republican who wants little spending and small government bush is well not so great on these two but he does a good job otherwise better than anyone else I could vote for right now

You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

I would vote for Aaron Russo. www.russoforpresident.com
Libertarians aren't anti-military, in fact, in a libertarian society, the military would be the biggest function of the government. We're anti-using-the-military-to-subjugate-small-countries-and-focusing-on-offense-instead-of-defense-and-conscription.

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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No, the vote would go to the House of Representatives.

You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

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No one has challenged America by attacking them first? Al-Qaeda maybe? Of course there's all of those who broke cease-fires and suprise attacks on our allies, for example the Chinese and North Koreans in the Korean war. And the threat of the Soviets during the whole cold war... we needed an army incase the other superpower decided to invade us. Now, we need the army to sustain our presence elsewhere, and rather than oppress as Anti-Americans like you like to pretend, help liberate people all around the world : Iraq, Afghanistan, Liberia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia (although this one didn't work so well), etc. and of course keeping our allies safe in South Korea. Of course anti-Americans like you pretend that we're over there with death squads mudering everyone everywhere en masse, of course you don't have Americans, though, you just "hate Bush".

I'd vote for pro-America, anti-liberal commie nonsense. That means I vote for Bush. Now all the liberals will whine and complain to the contrary when in fact they are just admitting their own treason.

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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In a tie the vice-president (who is the chancellor of the electoral college); casts the deciding vote. If he abstains (like VP Gore might have done if the courts hadnt interfered with the election) then the vote would would have gone to Congress, and they would have selected. (That is how Abraham Lincoln became president).

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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No, the vote would go to the House of Representatives.
What if I'm in the House of Representatives and it's my vote they're depending on?
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The United States has been in a state of constant warfare since 1940. You don't have to be anti-American to realize how idiotic it is.

America should be a conservative hegemon, leading by example and using free trade to import its values. Instead, its been constantly invading other countries, destroying the status quo, and knocking down the hill of which it is king.

I am a real conservative (libertarian if you will). I'm not anti-American at all, in fact I'm very pro-American. However, as a matter of being pro-American, I cannot support a foreign policy that will lead to perpetual war and destroy the order that has so benefitted America.

The best historical analogy I can think of here is Athens. They had achieved an free, excellent empire with strength unrivaled in human history in 460 BC and they had lost it all by 410 BC--because they had turned patriotism into hubris and sought to impose its will forcefully on its weaker neighbors rather than lead by example as benevolent and liberal monarch of the world. This, I fear, is the same path America is taking.

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?

Then I'd stage a military coup and kill you.

Then I'd stage a military coup and kill you.
You’ll have to catch me first.

*Dives into some bushes*
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Then I'd stage a military coup and kill you.
You’ll have to catch me first.

*Dives into some bushes*

*Grabs the flamethrower and incinerates the bushes*

*Grabs the flamethrower and incinerates the bushes*
I didn’t realize you hated George Bush that badly. Well that solves one problem. I guess I’ll vote for the other guy.
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*Grabs the flamethrower and incinerates the bushes*
I didn’t realize you hated George Bush that badly. Well that solves one problem. I guess I’ll vote for the other guy.

:lol:

All the Gore from the dead civilians is strewn across the streets of Washington...

I would move out of the country just to spite Bush
:D

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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No, the vote would go to the House of Representatives.
What if I'm in the House of Representatives and it's my vote they're depending on?
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Out of all the demons in this world, none is more frightening than manThere isn't an even number of representatives, firstly, and anyway, it's a 2/3 majority, I believe, that is needed.

No, the vote would go to the House of Representatives.

except that we had a tie in a few states last time around and that didn't happen.

We had ties in states in 2000? Thats news to me.

I would not vote, most likely. Not enough information about either of the competitors. My interest in American inside politics is very limited.

Though Kerry's double talk is becoming something of a common knowlege, it seems. Reminds me of a certain brilliant blogger's remark: "Vote Kerry: he won't just take a stand on the issue, he will take two or three of them!"

The United States has been in a state of constant warfare since 1940. You don't have to be anti-American to realize how idiotic it is.

America should be a conservative hegemon, leading by example and using free trade to import its values. Instead, its been constantly invading other countries, destroying the status quo, and knocking down the hill of which it is king.

I am a real conservative (libertarian if you will). I'm not anti-American at all, in fact I'm very pro-American. However, as a matter of being pro-American, I cannot support a foreign policy that will lead to perpetual war and destroy the order that has so benefitted America.

The best historical analogy I can think of here is Athens. They had achieved an free, excellent empire with strength unrivaled in human history in 460 BC and they had lost it all by 410 BC--because they had turned patriotism into hubris and sought to impose its will forcefully on its weaker neighbors rather than lead by example as benevolent and liberal monarch of the world. This, I fear, is the same path America is taking.

I agree thoroughly. :)

The Supreme Court has continually ruled that the Federal Government cannot takes extra-legal jurisdiction except in a time of war. No declared state of war, no extension of Federal Powers via the War Powers Act and the Emergency War Powers Act. Every President since FDR has declared a war against something, or someone.

I have only been alive since Johnson, but he declared a war against Poverty, Nixon declared a war against Cancer, Ford continued all of Nixons presidential policies, Carter (i cant remember, but i think it was Illiteracy), Reagan against Drugs, Bush against Drugs, Clinton against Crime, Bush against Terrorism. This is stupid.

One of the effects of the the ceasation of the Emergency War Powers act would be that the jurisdiction of congress would be remanded back to within the limits of the 20 square miles of DC and Arlington; federal trusts and terrories, and miltary bases.

The federal govts power would revert back to the 17 specific things outlined for it in the constitution. Over half of Washington would be out of work, and have to pack up and go home.

oh, yeah, and the Bell decision of the supreme court of 1953 (it might be 55, or 56), the federal income tax would once again become voluntary for individual citizens who are not felons. I dont think the President, Congress, or the current Supreme court would like to see these things happen.

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I would have liked to see Clark as President.

We had ties in states in 2000? Thats news to me.

florida, wisconsin, iowa, new mexico, and oregon all 'officially' had less than a 1% margin between bush and gore. that is well below the margin of error, which means that we cannot know who won and if we counted again the results would be different. hell, in minnesota, missouri, nevada, new hampshire, ohio, and tennessee the margin of victory was probably also within the margin of error - depending on the counting methods used. and nationwide it was definitely a tie.

We had ties in states in 2000? Thats news to me.

i think faster and beter than i type.

Had there been a tie, and the courts had not interered Gore would have been in the enviable position of casting a vote for himself as chancellor of the elctoral college, or being honorable and abstaining.

I'd vote Democrat.

I wouldn't vote. I would like to see what would happen if there were a tie. Would there be chaos? Would civil war erupt? Would they have to hold another election? Would someone try to bribe me? Would someone try to kill me if I took the money and voted for someone else?
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It happened before, and nothing happened. I think the US is the only nation on Earth that would NOT have chaos in an undecided election. Back in 2000, there was the disputed election between Bush and Gore, but there was no chaos in the streets die to the political apathy which is reflected in the national voter turnout every election. It's sad really.

You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

Well, technically America it's self wasn't attacked in 1941. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Granted it was an American base..Hawaii became the 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959, long after 1941. So technically.. America wasn't attacked. The only attack ever on American soil was 9/11 and it wasn't a war or an invasion.. it was a terrorist attack. So, no nation has ever attacked the United States on their own soil.

You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

Well, technically America it's self wasn't attacked in 1941. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Granted it was an American base..Hawaii became the 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959, long after 1941. So technically.. America wasn't attacked. The only attack ever on American soil was 9/11 and it wasn't a war or an invasion.. it was a terrorist attack. So, no nation has ever attacked the United States on their own soil.

Well, the War of 1812 you could say.

There isn't an even number of representatives, firstly, and anyway, it's a 2/3 majority, I believe, that is needed.
Remember that I made my decision based on that I was the deciding vote. In other words there is no other contingent beyond me. It all rest on my shoulders.
It happened before, and nothing happened. I think the US is the only nation on Earth that would NOT have chaos in an undecided election. Back in 2000, there was the disputed election between Bush and Gore, but there was no chaos in the streets die to the political apathy which is reflected in the national voter turnout every election. It's sad really.
Slightly different situations though. In this case it would only be one vote that is still yet to be cast. A vote that is purposefully being withheld. Of course this entire system is based on everybody voting and there presently being a tie. Otherwise I wouldn't be the wise ass holding everything up.
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You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

Well, technically America it's self wasn't attacked in 1941. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Granted it was an American base..Hawaii became the 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959, long after 1941. So technically.. America wasn't attacked. The only attack ever on American soil was 9/11 and it wasn't a war or an invasion.. it was a terrorist attack. So, no nation has ever attacked the United States on their own soil.

Well, the War of 1812 you could say.

Well, not really because it was the Americans who tried to invade Canada, they started it. Although, I suppose it's true there were for sure battles on American soil. I was more saying that a first strike attack by another nation has never happened on American soil.

Given the choice, I would vote once again for George Bush.

There are no perfect world leaders, as a nation we have had no perfect Presidents. George is doing a good job, he could do better but at least he stands for what he believes in.

America made one major mistake in our past. We entered the first World War.

America made one major mistake in our past. We entered the first World War.

Yeah, they've never made any other major mistakes :roll:

Well, technically America it's self wasn't attacked in 1941. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Granted it was an American base..Hawaii became the 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959, long after 1941. So technically.. America wasn't attacked. The only attack ever on American soil was 9/11 and it wasn't a war or an invasion.. it was a terrorist attack. So, no nation has ever attacked the United States on their own soil.
Why only have that terror attack, why not the previous attack on the World Trade Center? Sure the death toll wasn't as high but it was still an attack that resulted in fatalities. I also believe that the suspects were linked to Al Qaeda
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Well, technically America it's self wasn't attacked in 1941. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Granted it was an American base..Hawaii became the 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959, long after 1941. So technically.. America wasn't attacked. The only attack ever on American soil was 9/11 and it wasn't a war or an invasion.. it was a terrorist attack. So, no nation has ever attacked the United States on their own soil.
Why only have that terror attack, why not the previous attack on the World Trade Center? Sure the death toll wasn't as high but it was still an attack that resulted in fatalities. I also believe that the suspects were linked to Al Qaeda

Point taken.. however I was more or less saying that even 9/11 didn't count as it was a terrorist attack and not a war.. as in not another nation attacking the United States. All I was basically saying was that the United States has never been attacked first by another nation on it's own soil.

The difference between the USA and other nations is that they can't distinguise between terrorism and warfare. When rogue terrorists commit horrible crimes in American territories the US administration's reaction is to identify the most likely home country of the terrorists and launch military strikes against it.

At the height of IRA violence when London was bombed by Irish terrorists the British government's reaction was not to declare war on Eire. The RAF did not drop bombs on parts of Dublin "known to house terrorists". The British heavy handed police policy in Northern Ireland was not one of the greatest examples of human rights respect but at least they understood the difference between dealing with terrorists and fighting a war.

I would vote Libertarian. :) Help move the political spectum away from authoritarianism.

I just registered to vote today in fact. I registered for the great and glorious American Independent Party.

http://www.aipca.org/index.shtml

Point taken.. however I was more or less saying that even 9/11 didn't count as it was a terrorist attack and not a war.. as in not another nation attacking the United States. All I was basically saying was that the United States has never been attacked first by another nation on it's own soil.
I see, but you don’t really need a nation to wage war. A war is really just two or more hostile groups vying for whatever gains their interested in. In this case a foreign power that was well organized that hates our guts. A terrorist attack is an act of war. They're not quite a nation, but still a force to reckon with and not to be underestimated.
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to answer the original question, i would totally write in my favorite candidate, nobody.

nobody for president 2004!

Point taken.. however I was more or less saying that even 9/11 didn't count as it was a terrorist attack and not a war.. as in not another nation attacking the United States. All I was basically saying was that the United States has never been attacked first by another nation on it's own soil.

I see, but you don’t really need a nation to wage war. A war is really just two or more hostile groups vying for whatever gains their interested in. In this case a foreign power that was well organized that hates our guts. A terrorist attack is an act of war. They're not quite a nation, but still a force to reckon with and not to be underestimated

Well.. the "war on terrorism" reminds me of the "war on drugs" ya know. Sure, go after the terrorists.. same as you go after the drug dealer.. but I don't believe it can be justified as a war in the international legal definition of "war" I also don't believe that one should take out a whole country based on some of it's citizens.. any more then I think you should take out a whole neighborhood based on the fact that there is a drug dealer on the corner. Afghanistan was a good call. To me the Taliban themselves were also terrorists...Iraq though.. that's a totally other story. They weren't even involved. It made about as much sense as "Iran attacked us, let's go take out Russia" LOL.. no sense at all.

Oh and btw.. I would vote Kerry. I am of the "Any one but Bush" mentality.

You'd vote bush? Because the liberals arnt pro-military? I just want to know why you think America needs an army? well an army its size, nobody has challenged America by attacking them first since 1941, Americas army is only used to oppress free peoples around the world without the knowledge of the American people, and you'd vote for Bush because he does a better job of it than anyone else? Well I gotta say, anyone that votes for Bush is a murderer, a sick sadistic hypocrit

Obviously 9/11 has been forgotten in some parts. As for your last sentence, well I think any sane thinking person can see through that nonsense.

American Independent Party or whoever was running that was on a Constitutionalist ticket. If there was none, i would then vote Libertarian.

As of today, I would vote for George Bush. I think it is important to have a leader who knows what he believes in...even if I don't totally agree with his beliefs.
I have the feeling that Kerry is all fascade...he believes in whatever polls better this week. I may be wrong...but then I have been wrong before.

If the US presidential election were held today,
and all of the viable 3rd parties tied with the 2 major parties,
and you were the last person to vote;
knowing that your vote would decide the winner;
For what political Party would you vote?

(I had to leave out Reform, Natural Law, Constitution Party, etc. because of polling constraints).

Sorry guys. i am new, and messed up the poll somehow. :oops:

I guess that means that the computers went down at the polling booths and everyone had to write in their candidate. :?I would an did vote for BUSH..LOng Live the Empire! :twisted:

I would vote for Kucinich.

I already knew he was a vegan, but I didn't learn until just today how short he is. My best friend, at 14, is already two inches taller than that. Freakiness.

We had ties in states in 2000? Thats news to me.

florida, wisconsin, iowa, new mexico, and oregon all 'officially' had less than a 1% margin between bush and gore. that is well below the margin of error, which means that we cannot know who won and if we counted again the results would be different. hell, in minnesota, missouri, nevada, new hampshire, ohio, and tennessee the margin of victory was probably also within the margin of error - depending on the counting methods used. and nationwide it was definitely a tie.

hey, not even a "hmm, that's interesting"!? look at me, i'm saying controversial things here!

If the US presidential election were held today,
and all of the viable 3rd parties tied with the 2 major parties,
and you were the last person to vote;
knowing that your vote would decide the winner;
For what political Party would you vote?

(I had to leave out Reform, Natural Law, Constitution Party, etc. because of polling constraints).

Sorry guys. i am new, and messed up the poll somehow. :oops:

I guess that means that the computers went down at the polling booths and everyone had to write in their candidate. :?

Well you know what, I would (and will) vote for Kerry. But then I’d be chased and murdered by a mob of right wing religious hillbillies with rifles (no pitch forks this time).

If the US presidential election were held today,
and all of the viable 3rd parties tied with the 2 major parties,
and you were the last person to vote;
knowing that your vote would decide the winner;
For what political Party would you vote?

(I had to leave out Reform, Natural Law, Constitution Party, etc. because of polling constraints).

Sorry guys. i am new, and messed up the poll somehow. :oops:

I guess that means that the computers went down at the polling booths and everyone had to write in their candidate. :?

Well you know what, I would (and will) vote for Kerry. But then I’d be chased and murdered by a mob of right wing religious hillbillies with rifles (no pitch forks this time).

I would vote for Kucinich.

I already knew he was a vegan, but I didn't learn until just today how short he is. My best friend, at 14, is already two inches taller than that. Freakiness.
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I read somewhere that it's only 'Anglo' countries that dismiss politicians because of their size and indeed that short people in general are regarded as slightly inferior.

I'd have to say John Kerry, W's presidency has been one dumb idea after another (that whole medicare reform fiasco, I'm not even talking about Iraq!) It's almost been like watching MTV's "jackass", but without Knoxville or Steve-O.

Oh No!! the cons(ervatives) are coming for me!!! :twisted:

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