NationStates Jolt Archive

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2577576

"FBI agents destroyed evidence and failed to share information that a gang of white supremacist bank robbers may have assisted Timothy McVeigh in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, according to documents never introduced at the mass murderer’s trial.

Retired FBI chief of the Oklahoma City investigation, Dan Defenbaugh, said he was unaware of some evidence obtained by The Associated Press and said the investigation should be reopened to determine whether the gang was linked to McVeigh."


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/7864398.htm

"OKLAHOMA CITY - The possibility that a video exists showing the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building led to a search of a home in Virginia, but the man whose residence was searched said no such video was found.

No such video has ever been seen publicly and it is not clear whether one exists. Depending on what was on such a video, it could conceivably be used as evidence in bombing conspirator Terry Nichols' trial on state murder charges, set to begin March 1."


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=505460

"Richard Clarke's book Against All Enemies has not just pushed the Bush administration deep on to the defensive over its approach to terrorism. It also pokes a stick into another hornet's nest by asking whether the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing was not in some way linked to al-Qa'ida."

It doesn't even matter. The guy has been executed anyway.

The FBI went out of its way to ensure America that "John Doe number 2" did not exist... they destroyed evidence of more conspirators... the former Counterterrorism Czar believes that al-Qa'ida was involved... and all of the film from the surveillance cameras was taken by the Feds and never seen again...

And this is just the undisputed stuff...

It doesn't even matter. The guy has been executed anyway.

See, that's the thing: we don't know who did it!

Again folks, for those of you who can't be bothered with the responsibilites of a democracy, I'll reiterate.

The FBI went to great links to suppress information and destroy evidence surrounding other conspirators...

Richard Clark (anti-terrorism czar) belives that it was an al-Qa'ida operation...

The FBI harrassed any witnesses that saw "John Doe number 2"...

The video of the bombing was stolen and it's current whereabouts are unknown...


What does this mean? It means that Terry Nicholes learned how to make the bomb from al-Qa'ida while he was in the Philippines, the FBI used the White Supremacist Bank Robbers to finance the operation, an al-Qa'ida ji'hadist in Oklahoma cased the building for McVeigh, who delivered the bomb ~ with the ji'hadist, on April 19, 1995.

The White Supremacist Bank Robbers obviously had some sort of black-mail on the Feds, who covered their tail...

At the time of the bombing, the WAMY (World Assembly of Muslim Youth) operated inside of Oklahoma City, the jihadist group was funded and organized by ObL's brother...

Everyone who saw Tim McVeigh on the day of the bombing says he was travaling with an Arab male: John Doe number 2

Richard Clark (Former aide to the National Security Advisor) says that the dates of Tery Nicholes trip to the Phillipines (a known al-Qa'ida hotbead) so did Ramzi Youself, (World Trade Center 93 bombing mastermind) in fact ~ they were in the same city... every time...

Yeah, and there are Hamas cells in OKC as well. What's your point?


As for your claims that the FBI was attempting to cover up the John Doe 2 bit...having lived in Oklahoma from 1988 through 2003, I can assure you that following the bombing there was a massive search for John Doe 2. The police sketch was non-stop on the air as well as local news agencies interrupting any program with 'late-breaking news' that often consisted of some minute possiblity of a lead.

Now, for my Official of NS response:

You are spamming the forums again with your nonsense. Either post your arguments in one post rather than consecutive posts, or dont post at all.

Yeah, and there are Hamas cells in OKC as well. What's your point?

I'm just building the case for the fanatical-arab connection, many people don't realize that these terror cells in Oklahoma were well known by the Feds...

As for your claims that the FBI was attempting to cover up the John Doe 2 bit
Actually, the fact is that the FBI chief of the bombing said that evidence was destroyed and the case should be reopend!

...having lived in Oklahoma from 1988 through 2003, I can assure you that following the bombing there was a massive search for John Doe 2. The police sketch was non-stop on the air as well as local news agencies interrupting any program with 'late-breaking news' that often consisted of some minute possiblity of a lead.
Yes, I lived in the Texoma region and received news from Oklahoma as well... the fact that the media was on the ball does not absolve the Feds however...



http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no10/vo12no10_trail.htm

See, here's the problem. Where you think you're building a case, what you're really doing is going out on some fanatical rant and stretching to tie some small, insignificant pieces of what you call evidence together to prove your point. It doesnt work that way.

I was in that musical last year at school!!

one of my teachers signed me up :?

See, here's the problem. Where you think you're building a case, what you're really doing is going out on some fanatical rant and stretching to tie some small, insignificant pieces of what you call evidence together to prove your point. It doesnt work that way.

The point is that the FBI cover-up, suppression of knowledge, and destruction of evidence isn't insignificant, the fact that Richard Clark believe that there was Islamic-Jihadist involvement isn't insignificant, and the fact that the video evidence was disappeared isn't insignificant!

And another thing, (you should remember this from being there) What happened to the three other bombs that were wisked away, and why didn't the Feds ever answer for them?

Yep, all insignificant. Clarke is currently going through the fire right now for turning a complete 180 from what he testified/stated 6 mos ago to what's been written in his book.

And I dont recall 3 bombs...I recall something about a SINGLE Ryder truck... If you'd seen something of the destruction, perhaps you'd realize that there wasnt anywhere 3 other bombs could have been.

Um, you cant use your claims that there's an FBI cover-up as evidence that there's an FBI cover-up...it's...well...you just can't. It's like using a word to define itself, can't do it.

Destruction of evidence? Perhaps it's not all been destroyed. Maybe as the hearings were closed to the public all that evidence was kept locked away, and is still kept locked away. I dont see any evidence from any other major FBI investigation left out for the public to view...but...what am I saying. I must be under the spell of the Gov't conspiricists...

Yep, all insignificant. Clarke is currently going through the fire right now for turning a complete 180 from what he testified/stated 6 mos ago to what's been written in his book.
If he lied in his book then he lied under oath at the 9/11 commission...

And I dont recall 3 bombs...I recall something about a SINGLE Ryder truck... If you'd seen something of the destruction, perhaps you'd realize that there wasnt anywhere 3 other bombs could have been. Perhaps you didn't hear of the University of Oklahoma's Seismograph proving the two-bomb theory and the early reports from the ATF that there were other unexploded bombs found...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bombs.html

Um, you cant use your claims that there's an FBI cover-up as evidence that there's an FBI cover-up...it's...well...you just can't. It's like using a word to define itself, can't do it.
This is an undisputed fact the FBI admits to! I cited it with my first link!

Destruction of evidence? Perhaps it's not all been destroyed. Maybe as the hearings were closed to the public all that evidence was kept locked away, and is still kept locked away. I dont see any evidence from any other major FBI investigation left out for the public to view...but...what am I saying. I must be under the spell of the Gov't conspiricists...
Your under the spell of complacency, which is common for the Ritalin Generation and is a conspiracy all its own...

]Again folks, for those of you who can't be bothered with the responsibilites of a democracy, I'll reiterate.

What does this mean? It means that Terry Nicholes learned how to make the bomb from al-Qa'ida while he was in the Philippines, ...

No, that's not what that means. Terry Nichols and his brother used to make fertilizer bombs on their Michigan farm just for kicks. Like kids playing with firecrackers. Terry got caught up with McVeigh in the Army, and went way way radical. Look up the Texas City refinery explosion, it was caused by the same fertilizer on a docked ship, and careless smoking. Amonium nitrate mixed with fuel oil is even more volitile.

America has plenty of it's own nuts, and doesn't need help from the Islamic Jihad.

America has plenty of it's own nuts, and doesn't need help from the Islamic Jihad.

That doesn't stop Islamic Jihad from recruiting US soldiers, and it doesn't stop the US gov't from supporting Islamic Jihad...