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US jobless rate climbs to 5.7% in March - Very Important

03-04-2004, 09:43
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/apr2004/jobs-a03.shtml

US jobless rate climbs to 5.7% in March

The official unemployment rate in the US climbed to 5.7 percent in March, from 5.6 percent the month before. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that while the economy created 308,000 jobs, the largest one-month jump in four years, 179,000 people entered the labor force last month and 182,000 became unemployed.

US payrolls have expanded by 513,000 since December and by 759,000 since August 2003. However, the jobs total still is down 323,000 from November 2001, when the latest “recovery” officially began, and 2 million below its level at the onset of the recession in March 2001.

The service sector, including retail, added 230,000 jobs in March, the largest growth in that sector since May 2000. Jobs in construction rose by 71,000, while information services employment fell slightly. Manufacturing jobs remained unchanged, the first month since the summer of 2000 that their number did not decline.

Since its peak in 2000, manufacturing employment in the US has dropped by 3 million. Factory jobs, as a share of total employment, have declined from 13.1 percent to 11 percent, a severe decrease over such a short period of time. Announcements of manufacturing plant closings and layoffs continue to be nearly daily occurrences, particularly in the older industrial states of the Northeast and Midwest.

The BLS survey revealed that the proportion of long-term jobless—those out of work for at least six months—increased to 23.9 percent, the highest since July 1983. There was also an increase of nearly 300,000 in the number of “involuntary part-time workers,” i.e., those who would prefer full-time jobs. The BLS measure of underemployment—including the jobless, those who have given up looking for work and the “involuntary part-time” workers—climbed to 9.9 percent, up 0.3 percent from last month.

Since the recession began in March 2001, reports JobWatch.org, “The private sector has lost 2.5 percent of its jobs (2,792,000), US manufacturing has lost 15.9 percent of its jobs (2,704,000), and even when incorporating the 3.1 percent gain in government jobs (657,000), the labor market on the whole has still lost 1.5 percent (2,135,000) of all jobs. In the prior three business cycles, instead of still being in the hole, the economy had actually generated 2.7 percent more jobs after three years.”

The unemployment figures are themselves misleading because of the large numbers of people who have left the labor force. Leigh Strope of Associated Press noted April 1 that the share of the US population working or seeking a job had fallen to 65.8 percent, the lowest level in 16 years.

JobWatch.org observes that wages and salaries (adjusted for inflation) generated by the private sector have actually fallen by 1.7 percent over the past three years, while domestic profits have risen 57.5 percent. This is also unprecedented in recent business cycles. In other recent downturns “total wages and profits grew in tandem, with total wage and salary income up by 3.7 percent over a comparable three-year period and domestic profits up by 12.6 percent.”

Figures in a study of the devastation wrought in Silicon Valley by economists at the UCLA Anderson School of Management are quite staggering. The six counties around San Francisco Bay have lost 400,000 jobs over the past three years. San Jose, the center of the technology industry, has lost 20 percent of its payroll workforce [209,000 jobs], constituting “the single largest loss of jobs by any major metropolitan area since at least World War II.”

The report goes on, “San Francisco has lost another 14 percent [154,000 jobs]. Perhaps more disturbing is that the civilian labor force in the entire Bay Area is now estimated to be 116,000 workers smaller than before. The labor force in the six-county area around the Bay is now 220,000 workers fewer than in Q4 2000, a loss of about 7 percent of the total employment.”

Revised figures for San Francisco indicate that the city suffered a 3.5 percent loss in payroll jobs in 2003, or 21,500 jobs. “The East Bay saw a similar drop in the new numbers, to a loss of 2.3 percent of the payroll jobs.”

Major job losses and layoff announcements in the recent weeks include:

Gateway, the personal computer maker, announced plans April 1 to close down all its 188 retail stores next week and lay off some 2,500 employees. The stores will be closed April 9 and Gateway will sell products directly over the Web and by telephone. The job cuts amount to a nearly 40 percent reduction in Gateway’s labor force, leaving it with about 4,000 workers. The firm’s fourth quarter earnings in 2003 fell to $875 million, from $1.1 billion in the same period in 2002.

Automotive supplier Johnson Controls reported March 29 that it will transfer sun visor production from its plants in Holland, Michigan, and Glasgow, Kentucky, to a factory in Mexico, resulting in 885 job cuts. The production will be phased out over the next 18 months. Johnson Controls makes sun visors for vehicles for Ford, General Motors, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi. The company presently has 5,000 employees in Holland.

Bankrupt telecommunications firm MCI (formerly WorldCom) announced 4,000 job cuts March 26. The company is closing three call centers, affecting more than 7 percent of its workforce, as a cost-cutting move. The centers are in Denver, Phoenix and Niles, Ohio. Jobs are also being eliminated at MCI facilities in Alpharetta, Georgia; Colorado Springs, Colorado; and Springfield, Missouri.

Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, New York, has cut some 200 jobs as a result of financial problems. New York Newsday reports that this has not prevented the hospital from giving Joseph Pisiani, recently promoted to the post of senior executive vice president and chief administrative officer, a raise of $205,000, bringing his salary to $480,000. The newspaper quotes Leslie Guido, a head nurse whose job was among those cut last month: “They’re cutting people’s livelihood, and yet they’re giving raises at the same time. That makes absolutely no sense at all. I’m speechless.”

Sun Microsystems reported plans April 2 to slash 3,300 jobs as part of a cost-cutting program. The cuts represent some 9 percent of the firm’s workforce. Sun also announced that it has entered a “broad cooperation agreement” with Microsoft, settling all outstanding litigation with its giant rival. The company is expecting to record a net loss of between $750 million and $810 million in the quarter ending March 28.

The Tennessee Valley Authority, the federal utility serving 8.3 million consumers in seven states, is considering cutting 600 to 800 jobs, or 6 percent of its workforce. This would be the largest downsizing at a federal utility in a decade. The TVA has offered early retirement packages to its 13,245 employees. If there are not sufficient “volunteers,” the layoff notices will go out April 22.

Numerous cities and municipalities around the US are reporting or threatening layoffs, particularly in California. The city of Richmond, for example, in the Bay Area, will lay off 213 workers, shut down branch libraries and close half of the city’s recreational centers as a result of $9.2 million in budget cuts approved by its city council March 30. Ultimately, 38 percent of the city’s workforce could lose their jobs.

Cutco Cutlery, a division of Alcas Corp., announced it will lay off 114 workers at its Olean, New York plant. The layoffs, the first since 1987 for Alcas, will take effect April 5. Olean is in western New York state. American Standard is laying off more than 200 workers at a plant in Tiffin, Ohio, in the northeast part of that state. The workers learned March 29 that their jobs would disappear within a few months. One hundred fifty workers will remain, making toilet tanks. The products no longer made at the Tiffin facility will be manufactured at other plants “throughout the Americas [there are four American Standard facilities in Mexico], as well as plants in Asia.”

As part of a three-year restructuring, Bombardier, the train manufacturer, will cut 170 jobs from plants in Barre, Vermont, and Pittsburg, California. Thomson has decided to close its television glass plant in Circleville, Ohio, with a job loss of 545 jobs. Thomson is also shutting down a television picture tube facility in Marion, Indiana, cutting 990 jobs. BellSouth has announced plans to eliminate 778 jobs in nine states during its second quarter.

Another great article on this so-called "great" economy turn around in March.
IDF
03-04-2004, 16:43
Al Anbar, go read the WHOLE article about why the rate rose. Lets see, how about more people looking because of signs of hope?
Reynes
03-04-2004, 17:17
Whoa. I must have missed something here. How can unemployment have increased if we added over 300,000 jobs in March? :roll:
Kwangistar
03-04-2004, 17:33
Because unemployment is only the number of people who have been looking for a job and out of work to at maximum 6 months. That means people layed off a year ago aren't "unemployed" because they aren't looking hard enough.
03-04-2004, 18:09
Whoa. I must have missed something here. How can unemployment have increased if we added over 300,000 jobs in March? :roll:

Jobs werent added they were created. Its like pouring water into a bucket with a hole in the bottom.
Eagleland
03-04-2004, 18:14
I wish the unemployment rate was 5.7% where I live...
Jeruselem
03-04-2004, 18:20
Unemployment stats are rigged anyway. It's normally higher but people get excluded for "technical" reasons in the stats.
Bottle
03-04-2004, 18:24
yeah, and i'm just about to graduate from college :(. i wish we were back in the days of Clinton, when grads could look forward to a booming job market and a fresh sex scandal on the pages of every newspaper...
03-04-2004, 18:28
Everyone loves a gold ole' sex scandal
New Kingman
03-04-2004, 18:31
Everyone loves a gold ole' sex scandalAs opposed to a major intelligence screwup *cough911cough*
Jeruselem
03-04-2004, 18:32
Everyone loves a gold ole' sex scandal

Damn, Bush and John Howard are boring .... they should get some interns.
:D
03-04-2004, 18:35
Well I recall some case of a woman of accused bush of rape turning up dead? Does that count?
03-04-2004, 20:59
Unemployment stats are rigged anyway. It's normally higher but people get excluded for "technical" reasons in the stats.
Like when they follow a job training or a course. Eventhough they don't technicly work yet. As in making money working 30 to 40+ hours a week. Thats good enough to scratch a couple of names of the unemployment list.
03-04-2004, 21:00
Well I recall some case of a woman of accused bush of rape turning up dead? Does that count?
It will be. Once it is revealed that Bush got funky with her corpse.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 21:03
There is always going to be a 4-6% unemployment rate. There's no way around it. Companies fire people all the time, and companies hire people all the time. This isn't any great big new news.
03-04-2004, 21:07
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 21:10
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
Bottle
03-04-2004, 21:13
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.
03-04-2004, 21:17
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.

Thats a lot closer to my point sparta.
Remember that internet millionaire who serves Coffee on California. Thats what I was thinking about.
03-04-2004, 21:17
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.
Also they have to be able to get there and back. I mean transportation wise. So if you only have to rely on public transport thats a seriouse handicap. Not everyone has the luxury of beeing able to move where ever the jobs are moving to. It's all nice if there are plenty of jobs on the other side of the country. But if you don't have the means to move there then your just as screwed.
Bottle
03-04-2004, 21:20
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.
Also they have to be able to get there and back. I mean transportation wise. So if you only have to rely on public transport thats a seriouse handicap. Not everyone has the luxury of beeing able to move where ever the jobs are moving to. It's all nice if there are plenty of jobs on the other side of the country. But if you don't have the means to move there then your just as screwed.

absolutely...and people seem to conveniently forget how expensive it is to travel, or even just to own and maintain a car. i have made a point to live and work only in cities with good mass transit systems, but even those places can be difficult to manage when one is looking for a job in every little corner of the city. plus, i'm just a young person on my own; i don't have a family to support and care for while i am doing all my job hunting. i can't imagine what it must be like for people with kids who are trying to find work.
03-04-2004, 21:26
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.
Also they have to be able to get there and back. I mean transportation wise. So if you only have to rely on public transport thats a seriouse handicap. Not everyone has the luxury of beeing able to move where ever the jobs are moving to. It's all nice if there are plenty of jobs on the other side of the country. But if you don't have the means to move there then your just as screwed.

absolutely...and people seem to conveniently forget how expensive it is to travel, or even just to own and maintain a car. i have made a point to live and work only in cities with good mass transit systems, but even those places can be difficult to manage when one is looking for a job in every little corner of the city. plus, i'm just a young person on my own; i don't have a family to support and care for while i am doing all my job hunting. i can't imagine what it must be like for people with kids who are trying to find work.
And to add to that, in times when the economy isn't doing so great, companies can choose from a rather large pool of workers. Meaning that they will hire only the most qualified, preferably with lots of experience.
I remember a couple of years back when I first lived on my own. I just walked into a temp agency and was working the next day. Nowadays the employers ask all kinds of qualifications and specific work experiences for the same kinda job they used to hire everyone they could get back then.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 21:32
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.

That's why the US government has the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Act, and the Earned Income Tax Credit. These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
03-04-2004, 21:34
Apparently my crazy freind here never heard of the class system.
03-04-2004, 21:46
These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
It is their taxmoney as well you know. Not like your the only one paying taxes.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 21:53
These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
It is their taxmoney as well you know. Not like your the only one paying taxes.

It's not their tax money though. They amount of benefits they receive is greater than the taxes they pay. The overall tax burden of the people in the lowest quintile is -4.6%.
Bottle
03-04-2004, 21:54
Anyone can find work. If they are willing to swallow thier pride.

Exactly! If people took as much time looking for a job as they did complaining about their lack of one, they could find something decent.
actually, many people cannot find a job that will pay them enough to get by...i'm not talking about them holding out for a six figure salary, i'm talking about a parent of three being unable to find anything that pays above minimum wage. that's work, sure, but they might as well not bother because it won't give them enough money to survive...they chose not to take jobs like that so they can devote more time to searching for a job that will feed their families.

but then, i doubt many people on this forum have ever actually had to look for a job, or have been unemployed, or have the slightest idea what it means to be poor. so i don't expect much of anybody to appreciate how serious this problem really is.

That's why the US government has the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Act, and the Earned Income Tax Credit. These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.

tell me, have you ever been unemployed? ever been poor? ever lived in a slum? ever been fired unexpectedly, with a family to support?

just curious. you seem to have a totally unrealistic viewpoint on what it means to be unemployed, what it means to support a family, and how people actually come to be unemployed. people who worked as a "bigshot" for huge companies aren't the ones hurting...but then, you seem to like uber-right-wing stereotypes when it comes to discussing unemployment, so i can't say that i'm surprised :).
03-04-2004, 21:56
These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
It is their taxmoney as well you know. Not like your the only one paying taxes.

It's not their tax money though. They amount of benefits they receive is greater than the taxes they pay. The overall tax burden of the people in the lowest quintile is -4.6%.
:roll:
Riiiight, so since they pay the lowest taxes, and have the lowest incomes, it isn't their taxmoney. Cause we all know that the people on low incomes, and low taxrates, aren't the majority. :roll: They should be excluded from above mentioned programs. Lazy slackers.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 21:59
These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
It is their taxmoney as well you know. Not like your the only one paying taxes.

It's not their tax money though. They amount of benefits they receive is greater than the taxes they pay. The overall tax burden of the people in the lowest quintile is -4.6%.
:roll:
Riiiight, so since they pay the lowest taxes, and have the lowest incomes, it isn't their taxmoney. Cause we all know that the people on low incomes, and low taxrates, aren't the majority. :roll: They should be excluded from above mentioned programs. Lazy slackers.

There's always going to be a group that pays the lowest taxes and has the lowest incomes, but they aren't the majority. I'm just saying that people who pay to subsidize the poor are not themselves poor. And that's why the poor people have a duty to look for a job.
03-04-2004, 22:02
These and many other programs are designed to encourage work and allow people to search for jobs while giving them my tax money.

So you got fired from your bigshot job at a Fortune 500 company. You could walk into a McDonald's and get a job as an assistant manager and work until you find another job like the previous one.
It is their taxmoney as well you know. Not like your the only one paying taxes.

It's not their tax money though. They amount of benefits they receive is greater than the taxes they pay. The overall tax burden of the people in the lowest quintile is -4.6%.
:roll:
Riiiight, so since they pay the lowest taxes, and have the lowest incomes, it isn't their taxmoney. Cause we all know that the people on low incomes, and low taxrates, aren't the majority. :roll: They should be excluded from above mentioned programs. Lazy slackers.

There's always going to be a group that pays the lowest taxes and has the lowest incomes, but they aren't the majority. I'm just saying that people who pay to subsidize the poor are not themselves poor. And that's why the poor people have a duty to look for a job.
Of course they have a duty to look for a job. But it's not just the poor you know. Also people with formerly well payed jobs can suddenly become poor. And just because the poor pay the lowest tax rates that doesn't mean it's not their tax money as well.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 22:08
Of course they have a duty to look for a job. But it's not just the poor you know. Also people with formerly well payed jobs can suddenly become poor. And just because the poor pay the lowest tax rates that doesn't mean it's not their tax money as well.

That's just it though, the poor people don't just have the lowest tax rates, they have a negative tax rate. That means that they get money instead of paying.
03-04-2004, 22:09
Of course they have a duty to look for a job. But it's not just the poor you know. Also people with formerly well payed jobs can suddenly become poor. And just because the poor pay the lowest tax rates that doesn't mean it's not their tax money as well.

That's just it though, the poor people don't just have the lowest tax rates, they have a negative tax rate. That means that they get money instead of paying.
So they don't pay the tax on alcohol, tobacco, gas etc...then?
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 22:13
Of course they have a duty to look for a job. But it's not just the poor you know. Also people with formerly well payed jobs can suddenly become poor. And just because the poor pay the lowest tax rates that doesn't mean it's not their tax money as well.

That's just it though, the poor people don't just have the lowest tax rates, they have a negative tax rate. That means that they get money instead of paying.
So they don't pay the tax on alcohol, tobacco, gas etc...then?

I was talking about income taxes, which is how the federal government funds its welfare programs.

Excise taxes (sales tax and your examples) are the main sources of revenue for the states, and everybody pays the same amount no matter what their income is. Perhaps they should cut back on expenses like alcohol and tobacco in order to spend their money on more relevant things.
03-04-2004, 22:15
Unemployment stats are rigged anyway. It's normally higher but people get excluded for "technical" reasons in the stats.
Like when they follow a job training or a course. Eventhough they don't technicly work yet. As in making money working 30 to 40+ hours a week. Thats good enough to scratch a couple of names of the unemployment list.

The stats do not include people who (because of their religion or ideology) do not file for unemployment insurance benefits when they stop working. In the area of Idaho that I live this is a large amount.

The stats do not include people who cannot find work after their unemployment benefits run out. The govt. assumes that when their benefits run out they have found work.

If someone makes a mistake on their form, or in filling the get punished by having their benefits cut in half. The govt assumes that half benifits means part time work has been acquired.

The statistics do not include the underground economy, which in some segments is estimated make up over 30% percent of the wealth being created or distributed. This includes waitresses who work under the table and would loose their homes because of the insane taxes on their below minimum wage jobs. It includes students who would loose their college grant or cheap tuition because the earn enough to eat more than mac&cheese and top-ramen. People who fix cars and sell them for a living but do not want to have to join the medieval style guild of licenses and punative taxes, fingerprinting, and background checks that states have set up to keep the big dealerships from having to deal with home garage competition. etc. When people like this loose or gain their livelyhood it is not included in the stats.

In other words, the unemployment figures only mean something to political opportunists who need a number to push around.
Crimson Sparta
03-04-2004, 22:50
By the way...

http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000