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Yup, that's it. Being the open-minded individual I am, and living in range of one of Air America Radio's broadcasters, I decided to tune into the O'Franken Factor, aka "The Zero Spin Zone." Now, you must realize, I was listening to this over the Rush Limbaugh Show ^_^

Anyway, Al Franken, and soon following, The Red Arrow, claimed that this show was 100% spin free. I listened to the show for 5 minutes, and they could not STOP spinning. Everything I heard, was about their "Truth" about 9/11, or their "truth" about WMD, or some joke about Bush's character. I thought to myself, this HAS to be an april fools day joke or something. Anyway, I couldn't stand it anymore, and listened to the Rush show for the rest of my drive to school.

When I got out of school, I turned the local "progressive" radio station again, and listened for a few minutes, just to hear what these guys are saying. I mean, heck, I'm a conservative, but I know people like to spin, so I listen to both sides, and find something in the middle :P Anyway, I was listening to it, and they had a good point about the space program, and how proud they were of Bush's plan to go back to the moon, and onto mars, and all that, but that they thought the money should go to more 'important' places like welfare and stuff.

Now, of course, I have followed Bush closely with the space program. And frankly, he (or his advisors at least) seem to know what they're doing. When Bush took office, one of the first things he did was cancel all the NASA programs that had not progressed in a few years, and were just sucking up billions of tax dollars. In my opinion, he is playing his cards right... of course, that is debatable.

And of course, I got off track of my point... the point is, I took TRA's advice, and listened to Air America for a little bit. I hated it, and it was nowhere near spin-less like he said (because, frankly, spinlessness is impossible unless you stick to facts).

So, yeah... I'll stick with Rush and Hannity :) But now you can't just say I was ignoring the station out of "fear of the truth" or whatever the crap your argument is.

Just a note on the space program and some brief numbers. Bush wants to go back to the moon and mars which I think is great because humanity will eventually be forced to go there anyway. But he only gave them 1 billiob to build a moon base. Thats like me getting 5 bucks to go and buy a ferrari. Meanwhile, the Iraq war cost 161 billion. If he wants a space base, he's gunna need to put more money into it. Oh, and by the way, Limbaugh is a hypocrite who turns to the right no matter which way he faces.

Just a note on the space program and some brief numbers. Bush wants to go back to the moon and mars which I think is great because humanity will eventually be forced to go there anyway. But he only gave them 1 billiob to build a moon base. Thats like me getting 5 bucks to go and buy a ferrari. Meanwhile, the Iraq war cost 161 billion. If he wants a space base, he's gunna need to put more money into it. Oh, and by the way, Limbaugh is a hypocrite who turns to the right no matter which way he faces.Umm, I dunno if it's THAT bad. if we can build the largest buildings in the world for a few billion, surely the only expensive part of the moon base would be the life support and the rocket to get it there... both of which being seperately funded programs.

As for Rush, duh he's right wing. But he is that way because he used to be on the left, and realizes how rediculous it was. I don't think he's a hypocrite though...

yeah but its still refreshing to hear some progressive spin on the airwaves for once instead of the endless stream of rightwing corporate propaganda which has done nothing but bring our country to this sad state its in now

Yup, that's it. Being the open-minded individual I am, and living in range of one of Air America Radio's broadcasters, I decided to tune into the O'Franken Factor, aka "The Zero Spin Zone." Now, you must realize, I was listening to this over the Rush Limbaugh Show ^_^

Anyway, Al Franken, and soon following, The Red Arrow, claimed that this show was 100% spin free. I listened to the show for 5 minutes, and they could not STOP spinning. Everything I heard, was about their "Truth" about 9/11, or their "truth" about WMD, or some joke about Bush's character. I thought to myself, this HAS to be an april fools day joke or something. Anyway, I couldn't stand it anymore, and listened to the Rush show for the rest of my drive to school.

I think anyone who says they don't "spin" is full of shit. Objectivity doesn't exist, at least not where people are concerned. There are certainly people that ATTEMPT to be objective, etc... But that's not what this self-described "Liberal version of Fox" was designed to be, and you knew that going in.

And of course, I got off track of my point... the point is, I took TRA's advice, and listened to Air America for a little bit. I hated it, and it was nowhere near spin-less like he said (because, frankly, spinlessness is impossible unless you stick to facts).

I would disagree. I think true spinlessness is impossible, because news organizations are run by PEOPLE, with beliefs and ideologies and biases, etc. 24-hour news networks have revealed just how little news occurs on a minute-by-minute basis. Everything that's not breaking news has to go through tons of filters- what stories get covered, how much coverage, how much air time, will the story towards person or issue X be positive or negative, etc...

Even breaking news comes through a filter. It's impossible to just report "facts", because part of reporting facts is reporting details, and almost EVERYONE manipulates details. You and Red Arrow, for instance, do this often- you'll want to make some point about something, so you'll exaggerate one thing and de-emphasize another. The news does the same thing, focusing on some things, omitting others, etc...

Lastly... why the hell are you taking Red Arrow's word on anything? He's no more representative of the Liberal perspective than Michael Savage is of the Conservative.

You listened for 10 or 15 minutes? In two seperate sessions? I'm impressed. I gave it two hours this afternoon. Thats actually longer than I can stand Limbaugh, but it took some effort anyway. The problem with all these shows is they are not about discussion, mostly it seems they are about agree with me or get ridiculed. That is sad, and it makes me wonder why people bother.

I can tell you though, the only reason I turned off AirAmerica after 2 hours was that I could no longer take that woman (whoever she was, I forgot her name) interrupting Everyone who called. Didn't matter if she agreed with them or not, she could not let anyone else talk without interrupting. She even interrupted herself!

Early Sunday morning seems to be 'talk time' on nearly every station on earth. It is then that I find a few programs that actually bring together people who disagree and discuss their differences. They don't allow them to interrupt each other. Sorry to say I don't know the names of the programs, I just punch the right preset button at the right time, and listen. I want to hear opposing viewpoints. I want to know what both sides think. I can't get that from Limbaugh, and I didn't get that from my 2 hour interruptionfest on AirAmerica this afternoon.

It would be so nice to find something other small local programs that were interested in actually discussing important issues, instead of haranguing. If anyone knows of any, share.

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OK, I just listened to the liberal radio station for about half an hour. And frankly, I felt sick to my stomach.

I don't think I'll ever turn there again unless it's as a joke.

You listened for 10 or 15 minutes? In two seperate sessions? I'm impressed. I gave it two hours this afternoon. Thats actually longer than I can stand Limbaugh, but it took some effort anyway. The problem with all these shows is they are not about discussion, mostly it seems they are about agree with me or get ridiculed. You nailed my next concern. I didn't hear one conservative call in. I wanted to, but I feared I would be screened out.

These guys are ANYTHING BUT open-minded... in many cases worse than limbaugh. They seriously made me sick to my stomach, and I felt compelled to turn the station! They had advertisements promoting a far-left movie and bashing the Passion because it shoves religion down our throats... AAARRRGG!! &^%#!@!!

And that last lady, the one with the annoying brooklyn accent... she was just scary!

In what way , shape or form are you anything remotely like open minded Raysia?

Becuase you listened for 5 minutes to a liberal radio show, that you had pre-concieved notions of?

Your kidding right?

They likely said many things that you didnt want to hear, they likely said many things that you didnt like, becuase it painted Bush in a bad light....well, gee....thats odd considering you watch nothing but Fox News, wich is a puppet for the White House.

Just becuase they are Liberal..doesnt make what they said untrue.

You had already decided not to like anything they said BEOFRE you even tuned in, and if you say differently.....Im calling you a liar, here and now.
Everyone who has read just a few of your posts knows that you are nearly incapable of being "open minded".

*clap claps*
Very well put Back, But, I think it goes beyond that. It seems another one of Raysias ill concieved, pitful attemps for acceptance... I have seen recently, a litinay of Threads by Raysia, All saying something to the affect of "Please accept me!" This seems to be another pathetic attempt to try and show he is not the completly, 'immune to logic and reason' Raysia he has so often shown himself to be....

Oh yea...One more thing... BUSH IS GOING DOOOOOWWNNN

You nailed my next concern. I didn't hear one conservative call in. I wanted to, but I feared I would be screened out.

These guys are ANYTHING BUT open-minded... in many cases worse than limbaugh. They seriously made me sick to my stomach, and I felt compelled to turn the station! They had advertisements promoting a far-left movie and bashing the Passion because it shoves religion down our throats... AAARRRGG!! &^%#!@!!

And that last lady, the one with the annoying brooklyn accent... she was just scary!
THOSE guys are anything but open minded? Migods, do you actually think Rush Limbaugh is open minded???

And as for these ads... I listened for 2 hours and heard the ad requesting donations to help produce a movie in which the woman said "Unlike Mel Gibson" she didn't have $25 mil. to do it all herself. I never heard anything bashing The Passion, but I heard this commercial at least 3 times. Perhaps you assume that "unlike Mel Gibson" means a bash is coming and supplied the "shoves religion down your throat" angle yourself?

I am very serious here, and I doubt you are going to listen, much less actually try what I am going to suggest, but here goes...

You seem to be able to easily pinpoint when someone else is, in your opinion, biased and entrenched in a position. Look at your own thoughts. Honestly try to see the places where your own biases are preventing you from hearing others, and therefore from considering the world from other angles. That is not meant as a bash. This is human nature and takes a personal effort to override. Just honestly try to understand the other viewpoints.

Don't bother with trying to refute them, or with trying to force yourself to agree, just try to understand them. Without adding labels. Without dismissing them.

Listening to extremists, Limbaugh included :wink: , makes me sad. It makes me pity the people who cannot even begin to put themselves in the place of another, who cannot begin to understand that we all see things from different perspective. If it made me 'sick to my stomach', I'd have to wonder why my own prejudices were so intense that I could not even hear them out.

As for Rush and the "brooklyn' woman, I'll skip them both. I can't hear anything when nobody gets to finish a sentence.

Ok, first off, crossroads... oh, nevermind, I won't even bother to respond :P

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? The DEFINITION of being open-minded is hearing both sides of a story, then choosing a side, at least temporarily. I listened to the liberal radio station for a good total 45 minutes to an hour, and ALL I HEARD was conspiracy theories and bush bashing and not-so-subtle messages that LITERALLY made me SICK to my stomach. I DECIDED who to follow. I was not "indoctrinated" or "bigoted" to one way of thinking. IF ANYTHING, these guys on the far-left radio shows are exactly what they say the conservative talk show hosts are (and truthfully are not): Lying, Close-Minded, Extremist, Spin-Doctoring, and utterly disgusting.

Seriously, man, where do you get off saying that I am close-minded? All you hear from me are questions and answers to questions, not how I came to those answers. You think I just BLINDLY accept whatever the republicans spit out? HECK NO. I question the motives behind EVERYTHING. And frankly, their is corruption in the Republican party, but it is SO MINUTE compared to the complete and total lies spread by the left.

Dzang: LOL I only listen to Rush for a good 20 minutes a day... not THAT often. I doubt you even know that most conservatives think he's TOO far right... but he's definately more worthy of my ears than the Al Franken...

And as for the ads, the tone of the voice, and the message of the ad, and the subject of the ad, just hit me the wrong way, and are contrary to my views, and spiritually disturbed me. You calling me names over how the message affected me is just lame.

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Rush Limbaugh being a hypocrite: He says all drug addicts should do jail time. Then we turn around and find out he is addicted to pain killers, abusing them, making him a drug addict. So, according to him, he should be doing jail time. And is he?

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Rush Limbaugh being a hypocrite: He says all drug addicts should do jail time. Then we turn around and find out he is addicted to pain killers, abusing them, making him a drug addict. So, according to him, he should be doing jail time. And is he?Was. He admitted his problem, and got help. And I don't think he meant addicts, I'm pretty sure he said dealers.

No Rush said all illegal drug users should go to jail. And since he didn't have a prescription for all the drugs he was using technically they were illegal drugs. He got caught in his own hypocrisy.

No Rush said all illegal drug users should go to jail. And since he didn't have a prescription for all the drugs he was using technically they were illegal drugs. He got caught in his own hypocrisy.allrighty then... if that's true, then that just goes to show I don't blindly support him :P And his views are not always typically right-wing.

Ok, first off, crossroads... oh, nevermind, I won't even bother to respond :P

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? The DEFINITION of being open-minded is hearing both sides of a story, then choosing a side, at least temporarily.

NO.

The definition of being open minded is the ability to listen to an arguement, or an opinion different of your own, with NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, therefore making an unbiased judgment.

You have made countless threads bashing the Left, and calling them liars, and whatnot....dont deny it.

Therfore you ALREADY had a preconvieved notion not to like what you heard BEFORE you ever tuned in.

Therefore.....you are in no way, shape or for, "open minded."

You also only gave them 5 minutes Raysia, hardly a fair shake.

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? Um, because you don't appear to be listening, only reacting? Speaking for myself, of course, not for Squatches.

Dzang: I doubt you even know that most conservatives think he's TOO far right... You doubt, do you? You're wrong. Perhaps you're wrong about other things you doubt as well.
And as for the ads, the tone of the voice, and the message of the ad, and the subject of the ad, just hit me the wrong way, and are contrary to my views, and spiritually disturbed me. You calling me names over how the message affected me is just lame.Where, precisely, did I call you names? If my suggestion that you look for ways to actually understand the opinions of others was offensive, I apologize. However, if it was so offensive that you equate it with 'name calling', perhaps we have returned to the issue of being closed minded.

The ad was contrary to your views and spiritually disturbed you... What in this ad spiritually disturbed you? This I truly don't understand. I tried going back to airamerica to see if I can hear the ad again, but the site is down. I'll listen to it tomorrow though, because I missed whatever you found in that ad to be disturbing.

You also only gave them 5 minutes Raysia, hardly a fair shake.excuse me, 45 minutes. read the thread.Ok, first off, crossroads... oh, nevermind, I won't even bother to respond :P

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? The DEFINITION of being open-minded is hearing both sides of a story, then choosing a side, at least temporarily.

NO.

The definition of being open minded is the ability to listen to an arguement, or an opinion different of your own, with NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, therefore making an unbiased judgment.

You have made countless threads bashing the Left, and calling them liars, and whatnot....dont deny it.

Therfore you ALREADY had a preconvieved notion not to like what you heard BEFORE you ever tuned in.

Therefore.....you are in no way, shape or for, "open minded."neither is anyone on that radio station. Every single person on that station, every caller, even you yourself, fall into that category of "close minded."

You also only gave them 5 minutes Raysia, hardly a fair shake.
Actually it was "five minutes"(before school)..."a few minutes" (after school) in post 1.
In his third post, it had become "about a half an hour".
In his 5th post it became "a good total 45 minutes to an hour".
Post 7 somehow escaped without a revision. Perhaps post 9 will correct that.

You also only gave them 5 minutes Raysia, hardly a fair shake.excuse me, 45 minutes. read the thread.Ok, first off, crossroads... oh, nevermind, I won't even bother to respond :P

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? The DEFINITION of being open-minded is hearing both sides of a story, then choosing a side, at least temporarily.

NO.

The definition of being open minded is the ability to listen to an arguement, or an opinion different of your own, with NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, therefore making an unbiased judgment.

You have made countless threads bashing the Left, and calling them liars, and whatnot....dont deny it.

Therfore you ALREADY had a preconvieved notion not to like what you heard BEFORE you ever tuned in.

Therefore.....you are in no way, shape or for, "open minded."neither is anyone on that radio station. Every single person on that station, every caller, even you yourself, fall into that category of "close minded."

I, my dear misguided young Conservative,
Never claimed to be open-minded.
Although..I DO claim to be more open minded than YOU.

Im not the one who claimed to be open-minded and made a thread to try to prove it....only to be proven wrong.

BS: How can you say that? Do you know me? How can you say I am closed-minded? Um, because you don't appear to be listening, only reacting? Speaking for myself, of course, not for Squatches.I'm listening and reviewing and telling you my honest opinion of the station. What more do you want from me?

Dzang: I doubt you even know that most conservatives think he's TOO far right... You doubt, do you? You're wrong. Perhaps you're wrong about other things you doubt as well.Umm... I'm wrong? hello, I have conservative friends who can't stand the guy... so what do you have to say to them?
And as for the ads, the tone of the voice, and the message of the ad, and the subject of the ad, just hit me the wrong way, and are contrary to my views, and spiritually disturbed me. You calling me names over how the message affected me is just lame.Where, precisely, did I call you names? If my suggestion that you look for ways to actually understand the opinions of others was offensive, I apologize. However, if it was so offensive that you equate it with 'name calling', perhaps we have returned to the issue of being closed minded.

The ad was contrary to your views and spiritually disturbed you... What in this ad spiritually disturbed you? This I truly don't understand. I tried going back to airamerica to see if I can hear the ad again, but the site is down. I'll listen to it tomorrow though, because I missed whatever you found in that ad to be disturbing.LOL did you LISTEN TO THE ADS?! They made fun of christians, calling them all right-wing extremists. They said we're trying to oppress them and screw their personal liberties. In other commercials, they make fun of the Passion, and ask you to support their movie about people whose lives were ruined because they chose to break the law... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

And don't you dare think I blindly agree with every conservative talk show host.

I, my dear misguided young Conservative,
Never claimed to be open-minded.
Although..I DO claim to be more open minded than YOU.

Im not the one who claimed to be open-minded and made a thread to try to prove it....only to be proven wrong.LOL "More open-minded." yeah, right.

I never said I was open minded... what does that mean? Not close-minded. Now you are trying to guage HOW open-minded I am... and now specifically you are saying that you are MORE open minded than me... what on earth are you trying to get at? All I was saying is that I am NOT CLOSE MINDED. I at least gave the stupid radio station a chance to live up to claims of spinlessness, and it was waaay off. The station turned to be nothing more than far-left jokes and propoganda and bush bashing and conspiracy theories. I do listen to them, but are you saying that I have to agree with them if I am to be open minded?

Come on man, how SHOULD I react to the station?

LOL did you LISTEN TO THE ADS?! They made fun of christians, calling them all right-wing extremists.

True or False.....Most Christians fall into the right wing.

You yourself certainly do.

They said we're trying to oppress them and screw their personal liberties

Ahem...gay marriage amendment.....YOU ARE!

. In other commercials, they make fun of the Passion,

How exactly?



and ask you to support their movie about people whose lives were ruined because they chose to break the law

what movie was this "The Passion" ? The same applies to Jesus , ya'know...

... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

I dont care how you react.....I only wish you'd listen honestly to another opinion, and truly consider it.

... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

I dont care how you react.....I only wish you'd listen honestly to another opinion, and truly consider it.What makes you think I don't?

I, my dear misguided young Conservative,
Never claimed to be open-minded.
Although..I DO claim to be more open minded than YOU.

Im not the one who claimed to be open-minded and made a thread to try to prove it....only to be proven wrong.LOL "More open-minded." yeah, right.

I never said I was open minded... what does that mean? Not close-minded. Now you are trying to guage HOW open-minded I am... and now specifically you are saying that you are MORE open minded than me... what on earth are you trying to get at? All I was saying is that I am NOT CLOSE MINDED. I at least gave the stupid radio station a chance to live up to claims of spinlessness, and it was waaay off. The station turned to be nothing more than far-left jokes and propoganda and bush bashing and conspiracy theories. I do listen to them, but are you saying that I have to agree with them if I am to be open minded?

Come on man, how SHOULD I react to the station?

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.

Want to keep going?

Dzang: I doubt you even know that most conservatives think he's TOO far right... You doubt, do you? You're wrong. Perhaps you're wrong about other things you doubt as well.[/quote]Umm... I'm wrong? hello, I have conservative friends who can't stand the guy... so what do you have to say to them? Read what you wrote. You wrote that you doubt that I know he's too far right... And your 'doubt' was incorrect. So yes, you are wrong. No where did I suggest that conservatives might find him excessive. I only addressed your suggestion that I was unaware of it.


[quote=Raysia]And as for the ads, the tone of the voice, and the message of the ad, and the subject of the ad, just hit me the wrong way, and are contrary to my views, and spiritually disturbed me. You calling me names over how the message affected me is just lame.Where, precisely, did I call you names? If my suggestion that you look for ways to actually understand the opinions of others was offensive, I apologize. However, if it was so offensive that you equate it with 'name calling', perhaps we have returned to the issue of being closed minded. I see you chose not to answer this.

The ad was contrary to your views and spiritually disturbed you... What in this ad spiritually disturbed you? This I truly don't understand. I tried going back to airamerica to see if I can hear the ad again, but the site is down. I'll listen to it tomorrow though, because I missed whatever you found in that ad to be disturbing.LOL did you LISTEN TO THE ADS?! They made fun of christians, calling them all right-wing extremists. They said we're trying to oppress them and screw their personal liberties. In other commercials, they make fun of the Passion, and ask you to support their movie about people whose lives were ruined because they chose to break the law... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

And don't you dare think I blindly agree with every conservative talk show host.
I understood "ad" not "ads". I can understand this. I thought you referred to the movie ad. I never heard a single ad where they ridiculed The Passion, however, and I listened much longer than any of your 'estimates' suggest you did. I will, however, listen again tomorrow, just to get an idea how the ads might be perceived. As for how I'd want you to react, rationally and intelligently. If the ads are 'attacks and ridiculous arguments', then by all means refute them. My question pertained to the single ad I thought you referred to. In re-reading your post, I do see I missed the S on 'ads', and that you did refer to them collectively. That is much easier for me to understand.

I never implied that I thought you agreed with any talk show host, much less every conservative host. In fact, just in this thread alone you have changed your listening time 3 times, so I am none to sure you agree with Raysia, much less anyone else.

apologies for the mangled quoting. attempts to correct it made it uglier, so I am leaving it alone. I hope it will not cause too much confusion as to who said what.

... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

I dont care how you react.....I only wish you'd listen honestly to another opinion, and truly consider it.What makes you think I don't?


This:
All I was saying is that I am NOT CLOSE MINDED. I at least gave the stupid radio station a chance to live up to claims of spinlessness, and it was waaay off. The station turned to be nothing more than far-left jokes and propoganda and bush bashing and conspiracy theories. I do listen to them, but are you saying that I have to agree with them if I am to be open minded?

this thread is officially a waste of space.

"I'm more open-minded!"
"Nuh-uh! I'm more open-minded!"

but what do I know...

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:Oh, great, here it comes:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?I don't want to. I don't want to screw a dog either, does that make me a close-minded bigot as well? Who cares?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..That's you're choice. Who cares? I have gay friends. Good gay friends. no, I wouldn't sleep with them. Sheesh.

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)Nope. Haven't gone to a republican one either.

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?Honestly, I don't read much. But I've glanced through them, and laughed at them, just like I do with o'Reilly's books.

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.I might read Hannity's


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.Umm. No one ever invited me to one, but if someone did, I would go. I have investigated other religions... you obviously missed those threads/conversations. We are encouraged to learn for ourselves which religion is right.

Want to keep going?As you have done nothing to point out that I am close-minded, just assumed you know me based on my posts, I would have to say yes, keep going... have a point somewhere while you're at it.

this thread is officially a waste of space.

"I'm more open-minded!"
"Nuh-uh! I'm more open-minded!"

but what do I know...LOL That's what I was trying to say!

... I mean, come on, how do you WANT me to react to these attacks and rediculous arguments?

I dont care how you react.....I only wish you'd listen honestly to another opinion, and truly consider it.What makes you think I don't?


This:
All I was saying is that I am NOT CLOSE MINDED. I at least gave the stupid radio station a chance to live up to claims of spinlessness, and it was waaay off. The station turned to be nothing more than far-left jokes and propoganda and bush bashing and conspiracy theories. I do listen to them, but are you saying that I have to agree with them if I am to be open minded? Like I said. have a point please. I know what I said, so I'll restate it. Being open-minded means considering both sides of an argument equally. I have done so and always do. But just because I chose to take a side opposite of your own, I am close-minded? Umm...

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:Oh, great, here it comes:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?I don't want to. I don't want to screw a dog either, does that make me a close-minded bigot as well? Who cares?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..That's you're choice. Who cares? I have gay friends. Good gay friends. no, I wouldn't sleep with them. Sheesh.

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)Nope. Haven't gone to a republican one either.

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?Honestly, I don't read much. But I've glanced through them, and laughed at them, just like I do with o'Reilly's books.

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.I might read Hannity's


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.Umm. No one ever invited me to one, but if someone did, I would go. I have investigated other religions... you obviously missed those threads/conversations. We are encouraged to learn for ourselves which religion is right.

Want to keep going?As you have done nothing to point out that I am close-minded, just assumed you know me based on my posts, I would have to say yes, keep going... have a point somewhere while you're at it.

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:Oh, great, here it comes:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?I don't want to. I don't want to screw a dog either, does that make me a close-minded bigot as well? Who cares?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..That's you're choice. Who cares? I have gay friends. Good gay friends. no, I wouldn't sleep with them. Sheesh.

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)Nope. Haven't gone to a republican one either.

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?Honestly, I don't read much. But I've glanced through them, and laughed at them, just like I do with o'Reilly's books.

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.I might read Hannity's


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.Umm. No one ever invited me to one, but if someone did, I would go. I have investigated other religions... you obviously missed those threads/conversations. We are encouraged to learn for ourselves which religion is right.

Want to keep going?As you have done nothing to point out that I am close-minded, just assumed you know me based on my posts, I would have to say yes, keep going... have a point somewhere while you're at it.

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:Oh, great, here it comes:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?I don't want to. I don't want to screw a dog either, does that make me a close-minded bigot as well? Who cares?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..That's you're choice. Who cares? I have gay friends. Good gay friends. no, I wouldn't sleep with them. Sheesh.

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)Nope. Haven't gone to a republican one either.

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?Honestly, I don't read much. But I've glanced through them, and laughed at them, just like I do with o'Reilly's books.

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.I might read Hannity's


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.Umm. No one ever invited me to one, but if someone did, I would go. I have investigated other religions... you obviously missed those threads/conversations. We are encouraged to learn for ourselves which religion is right.

Want to keep going?As you have done nothing to point out that I am close-minded, just assumed you know me based on my posts, I would have to say yes, keep going... have a point somewhere while you're at it.

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.

I GUARANTEE YOU Im far more open minded than you.

Have you....or would you.....:Oh, great, here it comes:

Sleep in the same bed as a gay man?I don't want to. I don't want to screw a dog either, does that make me a close-minded bigot as well? Who cares?

No..you wouldnt. I have. It was no big thing....he knew I wasnt gay..and the thought of "coming on " to the other never occured to either of us..That's you're choice. Who cares? I have gay friends. Good gay friends. no, I wouldn't sleep with them. Sheesh.

Go to a democratic Rally?

I doubt it.

Ive been to three Republican ones...(and not to heckle)Nope. Haven't gone to a republican one either.

Read a Michael Moore book objectively?Honestly, I don't read much. But I've glanced through them, and laughed at them, just like I do with o'Reilly's books.

Im considering reading Michael Savages book..just to see what he has to say.I might read Hannity's


Visit a Church other than a Mormon one?
dont lie..you wouldnt....

I have several times...after becoming an athiest.Umm. No one ever invited me to one, but if someone did, I would go. I have investigated other religions... you obviously missed those threads/conversations. We are encouraged to learn for ourselves which religion is right.

Want to keep going?As you have done nothing to point out that I am close-minded, just assumed you know me based on my posts, I would have to say yes, keep going... have a point somewhere while you're at it.

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.

Why are all your posts so arrogant Raysia?

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.I'm sorry, missed your point again. I answered every one of those questions without bias from preconceived notions. What do you want me to say? And for that matter, how in any way did my answers reflect anything but open-minded opinion?

You continue to prove right everytime you post.
Look at your own answers.I'm sorry, missed your point again. I answered every one of those questions without bias from preconceived notions. What do you want me to say? And for that matter, how in any way did my answers reflect anything but open-minded opinion?

Why are all your posts so arrogant Raysia?

Why are all your posts so arrogant Raysia?Give it up, man. You know I ignore anything you say :P

Why are all your posts so arrogant Raysia?Give it up, man. You know I ignore anything you say :P

Seeing you responded, it's clearly an honest and 'open minded' view you hold.

Why are all your posts so arrogant Raysia?Give it up, man. You know I ignore anything you say :P

Seeing you responded, it's clearly an honest and 'open minded' view you hold.LOL thanks?

Give it up, man. You know I ignore anything you say :P

So this is bullshit?

Give it up, man. You know I ignore anything you say :P

So this is bullshit?Anything you say goes into my head and translates into "blah blah blah" :P

Anything you say goes into my head and translates into "blah blah blah" :P

Such an open mind...

Anything you say goes into my head and translates into "blah blah blah" :P

Such an open mind...Hey man, you earned my official ignore label in your other posts... don't you go blaming me for your mindlessness :P

Once again, the 'official ignore' seems to be working quite well.
Also, the emotes make you look unsure of yourself.

Just a note on the space program and some brief numbers. Bush wants to go back to the moon and mars which I think is great because humanity will eventually be forced to go there anyway. But he only gave them 1 billiob to build a moon base. Thats like me getting 5 bucks to go and buy a ferrari. Meanwhile, the Iraq war cost 161 billion. If he wants a space base, he's gunna need to put more money into it. Oh, and by the way, Limbaugh is a hypocrite who turns to the right no matter which way he faces.Umm, I dunno if it's THAT bad. if we can build the largest buildings in the world for a few billion, surely the only expensive part of the moon base would be the life support and the rocket to get it there... both of which being seperately funded programs.

As for Rush, duh he's right wing. But he is that way because he used to be on the left, and realizes how rediculous it was. I don't think he's a hypocrite though...

No, just a drug-addicted freak! I assume he was on the left before oxycontin phucked up his brain...and his ears! Or did he lose his hearing because his head is so full of shit that it started coming out of his ears...we know shit has been coming out of his MOUTH for a decade and a half now.

Just a note on the space program and some brief numbers. Bush wants to go back to the moon and mars which I think is great because humanity will eventually be forced to go there anyway. But he only gave them 1 billiob to build a moon base. Thats like me getting 5 bucks to go and buy a ferrari. Meanwhile, the Iraq war cost 161 billion. If he wants a space base, he's gunna need to put more money into it. Oh, and by the way, Limbaugh is a hypocrite who turns to the right no matter which way he faces.Umm, I dunno if it's THAT bad. if we can build the largest buildings in the world for a few billion, surely the only expensive part of the moon base would be the life support and the rocket to get it there... both of which being seperately funded programs.

As for Rush, duh he's right wing. But he is that way because he used to be on the left, and realizes how rediculous it was. I don't think he's a hypocrite though...

No, just a drug-addicted freak! I assume he was on the left before oxycontin phucked up his brain...and his ears! Or did he lose his hearing because his head is so full of shit that it started coming out of his ears...we know shit has been coming out of his MOUTH for a decade and a half now.wow... personal attacks... why does that sound so typical?

Just a note on the space program and some brief numbers. Bush wants to go back to the moon and mars which I think is great because humanity will eventually be forced to go there anyway. But he only gave them 1 billiob to build a moon base. Thats like me getting 5 bucks to go and buy a ferrari. Meanwhile, the Iraq war cost 161 billion. If he wants a space base, he's gunna need to put more money into it. Oh, and by the way, Limbaugh is a hypocrite who turns to the right no matter which way he faces.Umm, I dunno if it's THAT bad. if we can build the largest buildings in the world for a few billion, surely the only expensive part of the moon base would be the life support and the rocket to get it there... both of which being seperately funded programs.

As for Rush, duh he's right wing. But he is that way because he used to be on the left, and realizes how rediculous it was. I don't think he's a hypocrite though...

No, just a drug-addicted freak! I assume he was on the left before oxycontin phucked up his brain...and his ears! Or did he lose his hearing because his head is so full of shit that it started coming out of his ears...we know shit has been coming out of his MOUTH for a decade and a half now.wow... personal attacks... why does that sound so typical?

Truth hurts, huh?