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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_suspects.html

From the news:

Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
Possible residence: Delray Beach, Fla.
A Saudi Arabian national. The address on his pilot's license was for a flight school in Tulsa, Okla., but the school has no record of his attendance. A person with that name attended the Lackland Air Force Base Defense Language Institute in San Antonio, Texas. Ahmed reportedly took flight training classes in Florida with Mohamed Atta.

ABC news tells us that at least one of the 9/11 hi-jackers was trained by the US Airforce!

this should be in general, cause forum 7 is not for serious things :wink: :D :wink: :D

this should be in general, cause forum 7 is not for serious things :wink: :D :wink: :D

That's the problem with kids today, they think the word "conspiracy" is a science-fiction term!

That's right kids... your Air-Force taught at least one hi-jacker... think about that for a second... let that sink in...

Now, do you feel like you're not getting the whole story from the 9/11 white-wash commission?

Write your Congressmen! Demand the TRUTH!

oh, I get it... 9/11 is so 2001

Get a grip people, we're losing our country!

Tim McVeigh was ex-Army.. so Oklahoma City was all a government plot, clearly. Same with 9-11, obviously. :lol:

Tim McVeigh was ex-Army.. so Oklahoma City was all a government plot, clearly. Same with 9-11, obviously. :lol:

okay... so how do you explain this? Or are you suggesting that I bribed ABC into making this up?

Tim McVeigh was ex-Army.. so Oklahoma City was all a government plot, clearly. Same with 9-11, obviously. :lol:

okay... so how do you explain this? Or are you suggesting that I bribed ABC into making this up?

If ABC says one of the 9-11 hijackers was ex-Air Force, that's fine, I don't disagree. It's the conclusion that I disagree with. If one of the conspirators being ex-Air Force means all of 9-11 was a government plot, I won't accept it on that evidence, anymore than I'd accept Oklahoma City being a government plot simply because McVeigh was ex-Army. Clearly, some people do not need that much proof though. :lol:

If ABC says one of the 9-11 hijackers was ex-Air Force, that's fine, I don't disagree. It's the conclusion that I disagree with. If one of the conspirators being ex-Air Force means all of 9-11 was a government plot, I won't accept it on that evidence, anymore than I'd accept Oklahoma City being a government plot simply because McVeigh was ex-Army. Clearly, some people do not need that much proof though. :lol:

Right... because it is a common practice for the US Air-Force to train Saudi Arabians... and then have them jocky around with flight-simulaters so that the ground level agents can pick-up on it and say, "hey, these Arabs with al-Qa'ida ties are learning how to fly planes."

Then, later they point out this agents memo and say that 9/11 could have been prevented if only the Feds didn't have to answer to anybody: enter the justification for the Homeland Security Dept. and the Patriot Act...

Now, this Air-Force training comes out and the media just sits there and ignores it... after all, it's perfectly normal for the Air Force to train illegal aliens...

this should be in general, cause forum 7 is not for serious things :wink: :D :wink: :D

That's the problem with kids today, they think the word "conspiracy" is a science-fiction term!

Its the problem with everyone. We all know whats outside of the mainstream, the media. if it is,then its a conspiracy theory and to be taken with a grain of salt.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

but it says he went to the "Defense Language Institute"
WTH is that. Whats it got to do with flight training?

I think anything is possible at this point...

It doesn't surprise me.

I honestly don't care.

FLASH !!!! ABC reports Adolf Hitler alive and well in Arizona. Has been posing as a paint salesmen to local Air Force base. Ties to 9/11 believed.

http://www.morecrap.biz/adolf/alive.htm

and so on

Weak even for you, Texas

The point is supposed to be that ABC actually mentioned this often overlooked lil' discrepancy.

And then there's the Mohamed Attah - CIA connection...

The point is supposed to be that ABC actually mentioned this often overlooked lil' discrepancy.

Exactly... you would think that there would have been a follow up to show us what really happened... you would expect the journalist to investigate and the military to disclose... if he attended classes that weren't flight related then it should be on the public record!

So far there has been no follow up... no further thought was given to this by the media... that alone is cause for concern...

The language institute in a Technical Training Course for USAF members training to become linguists (translators). Make sense that the USAF would send someone of a Middle Eastern decendt to school to become a linguist?

Oooh...werent the snipers in Washington/Virginia ex-Army as well? I smell another conspiracy :roll:

The language institute in a Technical Training Course for USAF members training to become linguists (translators). Make sense that the USAF would send someone of a Middle Eastern decendt to school to become a linguist?

... really? It makes sense to you that the USAF would train him ever as an illegal alien?

The language institute in a Technical Training Course for USAF members training to become linguists (translators). Make sense that the USAF would send someone of a Middle Eastern decendt to school to become a linguist?

... really? It makes sense to you that the USAF would train him ever as an illegal alien?

Hmm...what makes you so sure he was an illegal immigrant at the time of his training? Or that he didnt forge papers saying he wasnt illegal?

Hmm...what makes you so sure he was an illegal immigrant at the time of his training?
This is a fair point... we do know that many of the alleged hi-jackers attended college in the US, but also that the INS was investigating many of them for living here illegally... as it stands, I am unaware of any "official" explaination for any of this...

Thus, I so no problem with exposing the story -- the story is that the media isn't doing there job and the government isn't commenting on its own! Whatever the AirForce taught him should be on the public record, I am shocked that anyone can disagree with that...

Or that he didnt forge papers saying he wasnt illegal?
Look at the leap of faith you are willing to take! Do you honestly believe that someone can enroll for Air Force training with a fake-ID??

Um...I know people that have?

And...um...it's 'enlist', not 'enroll'.

Just so you know, the Media's job is to report the news in an unbiased manner, and as such, you're right, they're not doing their job. The media is in fact quite biased in their reports. However, their job is NOT to investigate national security matters - that is for the FBI, CIA, etc.

Um...I know people that have?

And...um...it's 'enlist', not 'enroll'.
Actually, you 'enroll' in a 'Training Course,' nice try though...

Just so you know, the Media's job is to report the news in an unbiased manner, and as such, you're right, they're not doing their job.
... they also have to get the news if they are going to report it

The media is in fact quite biased in their reports. However, their job is NOT to investigate national security matters - that is for the FBI, CIA, etc.
Dead wrong: a free press is not designed as a mouth-piece for the Government... Investigative Journalism anyone?

Um...I know people that have?

And...um...it's 'enlist', not 'enroll'.
Actually, you 'enroll' in a 'Training Course,' nice try though...

Just so you know, the Media's job is to report the news in an unbiased manner, and as such, you're right, they're not doing their job.
... they also have to get the news if they are going to report it

The media is in fact quite biased in their reports. However, their job is NOT to investigate national security matters - that is for the FBI, CIA, etc.
Dead wrong: a free press is not designed as a mouth-piece for the Government... Investigative Journalism anyone?
So I guess when I signed the contract, I enrolled in the Air Force?

And, um...what does having to get the news have to do with reporting it in an unbiased manner?

As for investigative journalism...there are limits.

It never said he enlisted in the Airforce. It said he enrolled in THat language institute thingy.

Im sure its possible that he went there but didnt officially join the USAF.
If so, at whos behest was he there? Who put him there and for what purpose? Was it even the same guy

I was surprised to see that some US military casualties in Iraq were not citizens. News reports said they were serving as a stepping stone towards gaining citizenship.

As for investigative journalism...there are limits.

Who watches the watchmen?


or, in other words: you can't have limited free speech

Weren't most of the hijackers in the US legally, on student visas?

Um...I know people that have?

And...um...it's 'enlist', not 'enroll'.
Actually, you 'enroll' in a 'Training Course,' nice try though...

Seeing as Neut is in the AF and you're, well, not, he knows a good deal more about the workings of the AirForce than you.
(That being said, I do think it is enroll)
Seeing how the hijacker wasn't enlisted, he wasn't in the AirForce, so your thread title is a bit misleading.
And yes, there is a difference between being IN the AirForce and working for the AirForce.

"OMFG CIVIES LEARNING TO FLY ON AF BASES!?"
Well no shit.
You have to realize that USAF bases aren't simply a couple of buildings and a runway. Most often they are self contained towns. For a given AF base, you will probably find that the majority of people living and working on the base are, *gasp* civilian. (Civilian contractors, DOD civies, family members, etc)

As such, there are multiple things for these people to do on base, opportunities, such as learning to fly.

And seeing how he was attending the Defense Language Institute (and was arabic, a good canidate for such), it wouldn't be unusual for him to have access to the base. Thus the apparent lack of concern for him being on base.

Um...I know people that have?

And...um...it's 'enlist', not 'enroll'.
Actually, you 'enroll' in a 'Training Course,' nice try though...


Seeing as Neut is in the AF and you're, well, not, he knows a good deal more about the workings of the AirForce than you.
(That being said, I do think it is enroll)


... so was your point that I am right but you wished I wasn't based on the assumption that I'm not in the AirForce?

So how does the Defense Language Institute train people to fly planes? I must've forgotten.

Also, isn't the DLI at the Presidio, in California?

As such, there are multiple things for these people to do on base, opportunities, such as learning to fly.
Riight! Okay, so your saying that all of those enlisted officers got gyped because the AirForce would have trained them to fly as civilians? You should spread the word to all of those kids at the recruiters office!

And seeing how he was attending the Defense Language Institute (and was arabic, a good canidate for such), it wouldn't be unusual for him to have access to the base. Thus the apparent lack of concern for him being on base. Yeah, after all of the terrorist attacks on US Military bases from Saudi terrorist, there was no concern for Saudis with terrorist ties... Perhaps you should stop going out of your way to make excuses for the fact that journalists and the 9/11 commision have neglected to investigate this!

So how does the Defense Language Institute train people to fly planes? I must've forgotten.


It was probably an excuse to give him access to an air force base...

So how does the Defense Language Institute train people to fly planes? I must've forgotten.


It was probably an excuse to give him access to an air force base...

Most of the teachers at the DLI are civilians. I guess we've got a lot of people to monitor then.

The language institute in a Technical Training Course for USAF members training to become linguists (translators). Make sense that the USAF would send someone of a Middle Eastern decendt to school to become a linguist?

Oooh...werent the snipers in Washington/Virginia ex-Army as well? I smell another conspiracy :roll:

Yea Malvo(the older one)..was ex army..

Most of the teachers at the DLI are civilians. I guess we've got a lot of people to monitor then.
Okay... so you think that anyone can just waltz into a military base? In order for this Saudi terrorist to have access to the AirForce base he would have to have a military ID card... I don't think the military just hands out military ID cards to Saudis with al-Qa'ida ties -- but this Saudi was no stranger to the AirForce, in all liklyhood - he was a member of the Saudi AirForce, which is how he knew how to fly so well... now, they're not going to put that on his ID card, so they just pretend that he's enrolled in a Language Class -- just to get him past the front gate...

Most of the teachers at the DLI are civilians. I guess we've got a lot of people to monitor then.
Okay... so you think that anyone can just waltz into a military base? In order for this Saudi terrorist to have access to the AirForce base he would have to have a military ID card... I don't think the military just hands out military ID cards to Saudis with al-Qa'ida ties -- but this Saudi was no stranger to the AirForce, in all liklyhood - he was a member of the Saudi AirForce, which is how he knew how to fly so well... now, they're not going to put that on his ID card, so they just pretend that he's enrolled in a Language Class -- just to get him past the front gate...

I've got access to any Navy/Marine base that I wish to enter, no questions asked. I could make a copy for around 15 cents. I use it mainly for playing golf with friends from work down at Pendleton, that's about it.

I've got access to any Navy/Marine base that I wish to enter, no questions asked. I could make a copy for around 15 cents. I use it mainly for playing golf with friends from work down at Pendleton, that's about it.
no... I have a military ID. -- it's got a photo, a bar-code, it's laminated, there are two seals within the lamination, it has your SSN, your rank -- you must be mistaken, or you just told an outright lie...

I've got access to any Navy/Marine base that I wish to enter, no questions asked. I could make a copy for around 15 cents. I use it mainly for playing golf with friends from work down at Pendleton, that's about it.
no... I have a military ID. -- it's got a photo, a bar-code, it's laminated, there are two seals within the lamination, it has your SSN, your rank -- you must be mistaken, or you just told an outright lie...

You can get a guest ID relatively easily, if you know someone on the base who can get it for you. It doesn't allow you access to much at all (if I remember correctly, with my guest ID I wasn't even allowed to go into my brother's barracks).

I've got access to any Navy/Marine base that I wish to enter, no questions asked. I could make a copy for around 15 cents. I use it mainly for playing golf with friends from work down at Pendleton, that's about it.
no... I have a military ID. -- it's got a photo, a bar-code, it's laminated, there are two seals within the lamination, it has your SSN, your rank -- you must be mistaken, or you just told an outright lie...

Nalp. Condensed version: my dad's friend's got rheumatoid arthritis, she's married to some admiral or something. She's too wrecked to golf anymore, so she gave me her pass. I've never been asked for anything more then that. In fact, I don't even need to roll down my window, they just wave me by. 8)

You should take this for whatever it's worth.....
who trained and funded the taliban? reagan/bush....who supplied saddam hussein with weapon to attack Iran? reagan/bush....who traded arms for drugs and sold drugs to fund covert ops for the cia ? (iran contra) reagan/bush......who was cia director or asst director for years and years? bush sr. (he planned the bay of pigs even) who stopped our troops from taking bagdhad the first gulf war? bush who gave lucrative gold mining concessions to the saudis? bush (london times reported)
who was heavily invested in bush oil? another saudi, osama bin lardman
and who were the majority of the terrorsts on 9/11? Saudis (14 of 18 I believe) and finally....who got to fly home on the day of 9/11 when everything else was grounded? All the Saudis....and who let them escape? GW Bush........now, call me a nut if you like, but I was in the AF at lackland in '80, and I saw all these foriegn nationals training there myself....so maybe 1 and 1 and 1 don't add up to three for some of you...but when you have an oil man who has been in charge of americas intelligence agency for fifty years, in bed with foreign oil men, buying his son an election, and running roughshod over the wishes of the majority, all the while using the media to blind side or defame the opposition.....yeah, I'd say that's a conspiricy....and I pity the fools who can't see it, and pity them more if they don't get bush and his ilk out of govt..oh, and while you're at it, read the patriot act too, it seems there is a special punishment for bush handing all those contracts over to haliburton, because haliburton defrauded the government by overcharging for meals, among other things, and by installing haliburton without any bidding, bush is directly responsible for thier acts. see section 232 I believe it was........be afraid, be very afraid, your president sold you down the oily river....lie there and take it? or get out the vote? research what I just said, and then be very, very angry you were lied to by the bush propaganda machine......signed, a patriot.

who got to fly home on the day of 9/11 when everything else was grounded? All the Saudis....and who let them escape? GW Bush........

I remember that, actually. In the days following 9/11, one of Bin Laden's nephews who apparently went to my university was whisked away to Saudi Arabia suddenly, while all other planes were still supposed to be grounded.

now, call me a nut if you like, but I was in the AF at lackland in '80, and I saw all these foriegn nationals training there myself....

What did they tell the airmen was going on? Did they just expect you to ignore the fact that there were hundreds of Arabs running around, flying over the US?


I don't see how people can ignore the fact that the Reagon/Bush Admins had the military train the Saudi Air Force -- the Saudi Air Force carried out 9/11 at the call of the PNAC (which is the Reagon/Bush team)...

paranoid weirdos

You should take this for whatever it's worth.....
who trained and funded the taliban? reagan/bush....who supplied saddam hussein with weapon to attack Iran? reagan/bush....who traded arms for drugs and sold drugs to fund covert ops for the cia ? (iran contra) reagan/bush......who was cia director or asst director for years and years? bush sr. (he planned the bay of pigs even) who stopped our troops from taking bagdhad the first gulf war? bush who gave lucrative gold mining concessions to the saudis? bush (london times reported)
who was heavily invested in bush oil? another saudi, osama bin lardman
and who were the majority of the terrorsts on 9/11? Saudis (14 of 18 I believe) and finally....who got to fly home on the day of 9/11 when everything else was grounded? All the Saudis....and who let them escape? GW Bush........now, call me a nut if you like, but I was in the AF at lackland in '80, and I saw all these foriegn nationals training there myself....so maybe 1 and 1 and 1 don't add up to three for some of you...but when you have an oil man who has been in charge of americas intelligence agency for fifty years, in bed with foreign oil men, buying his son an election, and running roughshod over the wishes of the majority, all the while using the media to blind side or defame the opposition.....yeah, I'd say that's a conspiricy....and I pity the fools who can't see it, and pity them more if they don't get bush and his ilk out of govt..oh, and while you're at it, read the patriot act too, it seems there is a special punishment for bush handing all those contracts over to haliburton, because haliburton defrauded the government by overcharging for meals, among other things, and by installing haliburton without any bidding, bush is directly responsible for thier acts. see section 232 I believe it was........be afraid, be very afraid, your president sold you down the oily river....lie there and take it? or get out the vote? research what I just said, and then be very, very angry you were lied to by the bush propaganda machine......signed, a patriot.

Thanks Puppet. Don't bother checking your sources, you might have to change some of those opinions. Wouldn't want that. :wink:

As such, there are multiple things for these people to do on base, opportunities, such as learning to fly.
Riight! Okay, so your saying that all of those enlisted officers got gyped because the AirForce would have trained them to fly as civilians? You should spread the word to all of those kids at the recruiters office!

Wow, way to twist words.
I mean private pilots licence, not commercial and certainly not any military qualifications. And the person taking said lessons would still have to pay for the lessons.