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I just found out that Fox is doing a "documentary" on Jesus. They're calling it "Who is Jesus?," and it treats Jesus as a real figure, with all the religious strings attached. Now, I could see the History Channel doing an investigation into "The Historical Jesus", or something like that, and that kind of unbiased thing would be fine on a news channel. But a documentary done from the Biblical standpoint on a network many Americans rely on (sadly) to give them the truth? I don't think that's right. Chime in, give me your thoughts.

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I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Yeah, I'm in America...but I'm a Canadian, so it's not quite a hopeless case...
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it just pisses me off that Fox gets away with this stuff all the time. Oh well. If things don't change, I guess I may as well just go ahead and start the revolution.

Ok...lets see here... a major news station does a story on a guy a majority of americans believe is their lord and savior... yeah, umm... what's wrong with this?

Yshua (Jesus) was a real person. Just like Pilate and Julius Caesar.

Whether He was the son of God is still being debated.

David Sirota of the Center for American Progress wrote this article (http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/30/fox_news/index.html) for Salon.com that details the depths to which Fox News sank in order to be the mouthpiece for the Bush administration in the run up to the Iraq war. Jon Stewart wasn't wrong when he said in an interview that he liked Fox News "because every government ought to have its own Al-Jazeera." I tend to think that Al-Jazeera might be a bit more balanced than Fox, but that's just me.

Fox Network or Fox News? I haven't heard anything about this, but every few years most of the major networks put out something new about historical Jesus, at least as long as I can remember going back to "Jesus of Nazareth" the miniseries for Easter 1977.

Since when does believing in God and/or Jesus make a person conservative? John Kerry claims to be Catholic, so I guess he's as right-wing as they come.

David Sirota of the Center for American Progress wrote this article (http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/30/fox_news/index.html) for Salon.com that details the depths to which Fox News sank in order to be the mouthpiece for the Bush administration in the run up to the Iraq war. Jon Stewart wasn't wrong when he said in an interview that he liked Fox News "because every government ought to have its own Al-Jazeera." I tend to think that Al-Jazeera might be a bit more balanced than Fox, but that's just me.

Al-Jazeera isn't really biased... :roll:

I actually made a comparison between three channels during the invasion of Iraq: BBC, Al-Jazeera and CNN.
BBC and Al-Jazeera reported pretty much the same stuff, while CNN usually gave a "different" (less critical) perspective.

Or for that matter, how come becing the only right-wing-ish station on TV makes them the bad guys? If anything, they get tons of viewers solely BECAUSE of that. personally, I can't stand watching any of those left-spinning stations.

Ok...lets see here... a major news station does a story on a guy a majority of americans believe is their lord and savior... yeah, umm... what's wrong with this?

Majority of Americans also believe in UFO's visiting earth, does that mean that they should be reported as "facts" ? Even though there is no evedince to back it up?

David Sirota of the Center for American Progress wrote this article (http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/30/fox_news/index.html) for Salon.com that details the depths to which Fox News sank in order to be the mouthpiece for the Bush administration in the run up to the Iraq war. Jon Stewart wasn't wrong when he said in an interview that he liked Fox News "because every government ought to have its own Al-Jazeera." I tend to think that Al-Jazeera might be a bit more balanced than Fox, but that's just me.

Al-Jazeera isn't really biased... :roll:

I actually made a comparison between three channels during the invasion of Iraq: BBC, Al-Jazeera and CNN.
BBC and Al-Jazeera reported pretty much the same stuff, while CNN usually gave a "different" (less critical) perspective.Al jazeera ran an ad campaign supporting John Kerry... whajju mean it ain't biased? :P

Ok...lets see here... a major news station does a story on a guy a majority of americans believe is their lord and savior... yeah, umm... what's wrong with this?

Majority of Americans also believe in UFO's visiting earth, does that mean that they should be reported as "facts" ? Even though there is no hard evedince?Ummm... show me any statistic that shows a majority of americans believe in UFOs... make one up even... I just never heard anything like that.

And everything the media says is facts... hah, yeah right

Majority of Americans also believe in UFO's visiting earth, does that mean that they should be reported as "facts" ? Even though there is no evedince to back it up?

I'd love to see you give evidence to support that "fact" you just pulled out of A-space.

News Channels can do whatever they want, it's their right. But then again was is it okay to make "Passions" then? By the looks of it is fine. Heck is it proper for there to be religous televison networks that read from the bible, in which also documents parts of Jesus's life?

P.M. of Booty-slaiva

It has no place on FOX -- where else are they going to pit the mind-numbing smut?!

Good question. Fox regular TV stations do only offer crappy reality TV shows.

Good question. Fox regular TV stations do only offer crappy reality TV shows.
Is that supposed to make me feel better?

:D Sorry i tried

David Sirota of the Center for American Progress wrote this article (http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/30/fox_news/index.html) for Salon.com that details the depths to which Fox News sank in order to be the mouthpiece for the Bush administration in the run up to the Iraq war. Jon Stewart wasn't wrong when he said in an interview that he liked Fox News "because every government ought to have its own Al-Jazeera." I tend to think that Al-Jazeera might be a bit more balanced than Fox, but that's just me.

Al-Jazeera isn't really biased... :roll:

I actually made a comparison between three channels during the invasion of Iraq: BBC, Al-Jazeera and CNN.
BBC and Al-Jazeera reported pretty much the same stuff, while CNN usually gave a "different" (less critical) perspective.Al jazeera ran an ad campaign supporting John Kerry... whajju mean it ain't biased? :P

I can't find anything about it...It seems that you are wrong.

Running an ad campaign for Kerry would be kind of pointless wouldn't it? Seeing how Al-Jazeera is in the middle-east and people over there have no say in the matter.

I did find one report though from an American news agency and it's reporting that Al-Jazeera describes Kerry like this:

A decorated war hero and confessed war-criminal, Kerry supported the attack on Iraq and wants to see a strong U.S. military," notes al Jazeera in a candidate profile on its Web site. "But that hawkish stance is balanced by his promotion of healthcare coverage, workers' rights and environment-friendly practices.

Does that sound like an ad campaign?

I hate to sound derogatory, but I don't think many News outlets in the middle east support any pres. hopefull much.

This thread is not about John Kerry, or Al Jazeera.

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It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...

I hate to sound derogatory, but I don't think many News outlets in the middle east support any pres. hopefull much.Actually, many of our enemy nations are rooting for John Kerry, for obvious reasons... and for just-as-obvious reasons, John kerry has asked those foreign leaders to stop cheering him :P Something about being North Korea's last hope for survival just irks him the wrong way I guess :P

It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...It disturbs me, but it doesn't surprise me in the least...

"Everyone has the right to free speech! .....except the majority!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! But we shouldn't let other nations have that freedom!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! Unless of course, you're wealthy, or Christian, or not liberal..."

It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...It disturbs me, but it doesn't surprise me in the least...

"Everyone has the right to free speech! .....except the majority!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! But we shouldn't let other nations have that freedom!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! Unless of course, you're wealthy, or Christian, or not liberal..."Where has anyone suggested censoring Fox or any other group? Not here, that's for damn sure.

It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...It disturbs me, but it doesn't surprise me in the least...

"Everyone has the right to free speech! .....except the majority!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! But we shouldn't let other nations have that freedom!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! Unless of course, you're wealthy, or Christian, or not liberal..."Where has anyone suggested censoring Fox or any other group? Not here, that's for damn sure.Uhh...But a documentary done from the Biblical standpoint on a network many Americans rely on (sadly) to give them the truth? I don't think that's right.Sounds like a censorship issue to me...

Ok...lets see here... a major news station does a story on a guy a majority of americans believe is their lord and savior... yeah, umm... what's wrong with this?

Majority of Americans also believe in UFO's visiting earth, does that mean that they should be reported as "facts" ? Even though there is no hard evedince?Ummm... show me any statistic that shows a majority of americans believe in UFOs... make one up even... I just never heard anything like that.

And everything the media says is facts... hah, yeah right

An independant survey (roper poll, like the National Geographic uses)
found that:
-72% of Americans believe the government is
not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity.

-68% Believe that the government knows more about UFO's than it's letting on.

This poll had a 3% margin of error

ABCnews took a poll (I don't know what kind) that found that 60% of Americans believe in psychic powers.

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.

Yeah, I'm in America...but I'm a Canadian, so it's not quite a hopeless case...
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it just pisses me off that Fox gets away with this stuff all the time. Oh well. If things don't change, I guess I may as well just go ahead and start the revolution.

Right there.

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.

About 4 million Icelandic citizens know who Snorri Sturluson is.

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.

About 4 million Icelandic citizens know who Snorri Sturluson is.

If there were 4 million of us we would.

But it's true...4 million people in the USA actually believe in magic underwear, and a total of 10 million worldwide believe in it.
I am of course refering to the mormon cult.

It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...It disturbs me, but it doesn't surprise me in the least...

"Everyone has the right to free speech! .....except the majority!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! But we shouldn't let other nations have that freedom!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! Unless of course, you're wealthy, or Christian, or not liberal..."Where has anyone suggested censoring Fox or any other group? Not here, that's for damn sure.Uhh...But a documentary done from the Biblical standpoint on a network many Americans rely on (sadly) to give them the truth? I don't think that's right.Sounds like a censorship issue to me...Sounds like an opinion to me. There's no call to action there.

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.

About 4 million Icelandic citizens know who Snorri Sturluson is.

If there were 4 million of us we would.

But it's true...4 million people in the USA actually believe in magic underwear, and a total of 10 million worldwide believe in it.
I am of course refering to the mormon cult.

tocuhe :but you'll be pleased to note this "ignorant American" is currently spending his time studying the Edda and the Hemskringla by said Snorri.

It just disturbs me how often times self-professed liberals are all for censorship of ideas they don't happen to agree with. It's called the market place of ideals for a reason...It disturbs me, but it doesn't surprise me in the least...

"Everyone has the right to free speech! .....except the majority!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! But we shouldn't let other nations have that freedom!"
"Everyone has the right to free speech! Unless of course, you're wealthy, or Christian, or not liberal..."Where has anyone suggested censoring Fox or any other group? Not here, that's for damn sure.Uhh...But a documentary done from the Biblical standpoint on a network many Americans rely on (sadly) to give them the truth? I don't think that's right.Sounds like a censorship issue to me...Sounds like an opinion to me. There's no call to action there.

Indeed. And the opinion itself isn't even clearly in support of censorship, just stating that they don't like it.

I suppose by that logic, anyone who didn't like the Passion was trying to ban it. :roll:

Does it surprise anyone that Fuax News runs this kind of thing?

If you look very closely...you can actually SEE Bush's hand crawl up Sean Hannity's arse and use him like a puppet.

Does it surprise anyone that Fuax News runs this kind of thing?

If you look very closely...you can actually SEE Bush's hand crawl up Sean Hannity's arse and use him like a puppet.

Every time I see Hannity talk about Bush, I get the distinct impression he'd like nothing better than to give him a BJ.

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.

About 4 million Icelandic citizens know who Snorri Sturluson is.

If there were 4 million of us we would.

But it's true...4 million people in the USA actually believe in magic underwear, and a total of 10 million worldwide believe in it.
I am of course refering to the mormon cult.

tocuhe :but you'll be pleased to note this "ignorant American" is currently spending his time studying the Edda and the Hemskringla by said Snorri.

Not all Americans are ignorant... But to me it seems that an alarmingly big percent of them are.

"the only right-wing-ish station on TV"

*jaw smashes into floor*

Ouch. Are you having a laugh?

Anyway, the USA is a big place, there are all sorts there. This is a good thing. However, there is an alarming tendency for the US media (regardless of political affiliation) to take an extremely parochial view when it comes to news reporting. This isn't the fault of the American population, it's a failing in the media.

Who is Storri Sturluson? Iceland gets little coverage in the UK...

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

"the only right-wing-ish station on TV"

*jaw smashes into floor*

Ouch. Are you having a laugh?

Anyway, the USA is a big place, there are all sorts there. This is a good thing. However, there is an alarming tendency for the US media (regardless of political affiliation) to take an extremely parochial view when it comes to news reporting. This isn't the fault of the American population, it's a failing in the media.

Who is Storri Sturluson? Iceland gets little coverage in the UK...

A scholar who was born ca. 1179 who wrote some of Iceland's most important literature.
His works have been extremely useful to historians and are a very important part of our cultural heritage. It is thanks to these and other ancient documents and accounts that we have a pretty clear idea of what life was like in those times.
The language hasn't changed much so we can still read the original text. All Icelandic students are required to read them.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

aHMM...in a word..yes..when you've basically stated I was the intellectual equivalent of a gnat....an attitude you've applied to a vast majority of American citizenry..so yes..I would tend to dispute that in any context you took it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

aHMM...in a word..yes..when you've basically stated I was the intellectual equivalent of a gnat....an attitude you've applied to a vast majority of American citizenry..so yes..I would tend to dispute that in any context you took it.

Of course it's normal not to know everything about everything... But plunging head on into heated debate when you know nothing is not.
Maybe it's that tendecy which gives the impression that Americans are incredibly ignorant.
With you, it's only my opinion.
But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

aHMM...in a word..yes..when you've basically stated I was the intellectual equivalent of a gnat....an attitude you've applied to a vast majority of American citizenry..so yes..I would tend to dispute that in any context you took it.

Of course it's normal not to know everything about everything... But plunging head on into heated debate when you know nothing is not.
Maybe it's that tendecy which gives the impression that Americans are incredibly ignorant.
With you, it's only my opinion.
But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

Well...you know what they say bout opinions..well...you can fanthom that one on your own...bloody ignorant...on the contrary...just indifferent. For example....I believe you said you were from Iceland earlier..correct?...Now..I remember the capital is Reykavik (sp?), you have an abundance of hot springs, and at one point housed a US Air Force Base with a Marine battalion defending it...and you're descended from Vikings who needed a pit stop on the way to Newfoundland....other then that...I'm just plain indifferent to the goings on....most Americans are indifferent because with 50 states taking up a huge chunk of land there are more things happening locally that gets their attention.

I watch FNC for at least 2 hours a day, and I haven't seen this mentioned.
Are you sure you're not referring to the Fox television network? Same company, but completely different networks.

Isn't a channel being right/left really just a matter of perspective?
If you are a bleeding heart liberal, all American channels
are conservative, because they are to the right of your views.
The opposite applies if you are a religous fundamentalist.

I'll agree that Fox is further to the right than the other networks,
but they do that because that's what their viewers want. They
are the most popular cable news outlet in the US. Almost all of America's cable news networks are more "news analysis" than "news reporting". Find one you like, and deal with it, or just ignore all of them.

I didn't become a conservative by watching Fox News and listening to Limbaugh. I chose them because I am a conservative.

But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

Can't debate that point. Much of Kerry's support comes from these people.
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? :cry:

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.One: this is completely off-topic
Two: there is probably more than 4 million children in the US, and I think they account for most if not all of that numbe.

Does it surprise anyone that Fuax News runs this kind of thing?

If you look very closely...you can actually SEE Bush's hand crawl up Sean Hannity's arse and use him like a puppet.Wait a second... don't I know you?

Oh, that's right. Those are the EXACT words you used in "FOX has me steamed." You obviously didn't read my reply.

Fox News Channel is conservative. Bush doesn't control them, they just agree with his viewpoint.

By the way, you mispelled "Faux."

What I have to ask is WHY DO YOU LIBERALS FIND IT SO OFFENSIVE?

The vast majority of Americans agree with it, despite what your whirlwind poll says. Besides, if you find it offensive, just change the damn channel!

Fox is a private company, let them run whatever they want. If you don't care for the subject matter, then don't watch it. Maybe write a letter of complaint to the channel about their programming choices and they'll side with whoever sends the most complaints. We know this is true already- look at what happened with Family Guy.
Mean People: Family Guy is terrible and terribly offensive! Take it off the air!
*Fox Complies*
Us: Why'd you get rid of Family Guy, it's the best show EVER!!
*Fox brings it back*
Mean People: We told you
*Fox Gets rid of Family Guy*
*Everyone buys it on DVD making it the best selling TV show of the year and 4th best of all time*
*Fox begs Seth MacFarlane to make more episodes*
http://www.tvtome.com/FamilyGuy/

Is this the commercial channel or the cable news channel.
I its not unheard of in britain. They are interesting. If it is the news channel well then that Is a but stupid isnt it?

About 4 million Americans believe in magic underwear.One: this is completely off-topic
Two: there is probably more than 4 million children in the US, and I think they account for most if not all of that numbe.

One:No it isn't, read the whole thread.
Two: Actually, Mormons account for most if not all of that number.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

aHMM...in a word..yes..when you've basically stated I was the intellectual equivalent of a gnat....an attitude you've applied to a vast majority of American citizenry..so yes..I would tend to dispute that in any context you took it.

Of course it's normal not to know everything about everything... But plunging head on into heated debate when you know nothing is not.
Maybe it's that tendecy which gives the impression that Americans are incredibly ignorant.
With you, it's only my opinion.
But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

Well...you know what they say bout opinions..well...you can fanthom that one on your own...bloody ignorant...on the contrary...just indifferent. For example....I believe you said you were from Iceland earlier..correct?...Now..I remember the capital is Reykavik (sp?), you have an abundance of hot springs, and at one point housed a US Air Force Base with a Marine battalion defending it...and you're descended from Vikings who needed a pit stop on the way to Newfoundland....other then that...I'm just plain indifferent to the goings on....most Americans are indifferent because with 50 states taking up a huge chunk of land there are more things happening locally that gets their attention.

Indifferent? You mean that 70% of schoolchildren are indifferent to where they live?
Maybe ignorance is a product of indifference.

Quite accurate though...Reykjavík is the capital (it's where I live).
The American base is still here but it's not in the capital, it's out in the moonscape of the lava-fields. They might be leaving soon, I really hope they do.
We are not descended from Vikings that came here, the Vikings came from Iceland (in Icelandic the word "viking" is a verb, meaning to sail out and raid foreign towns), we are descended from Norvegians that refused to pay taxes to the king of Norway and people that refused to become christian.
But this is all beside the point...I never said I expected you to know my country...just to know what you're talking about.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I admit I haven't had much contact with Fox, but what I have seen: Rhyming news bulletins and weird slogans being made up about celebrities....Does this really surprise you?

I'm assuming you're an American, so this is an outside observation.
These things won't change, ever...Why even bother debating it?
Really...look at recent history, it's a never ending circle of "democrat/republican" debate that never ever ends.
The only difference is, that although Americans have never been afraid to voice their opinions only today, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, the big change is that Americans have become bloody ignorant.
It's reached the point that even adult posters in this very forum are no longer fit for debat, even issues concerning their own country because they have no knowledge of them, nor do they bother to look any information up.
(an example: recently I witnessed a republican and a democrat heatedly debating wether USA's "huge" military presence should be removed from Saudi Arabia when the fact is that there really is no military presence to speak of in S-Arabia. Both sides came up with wonderful scenarios about how the world would end were they to leave/stay, one of those posters claims to be 60 years old).
I used to get kind of annoyed at the stunning displays of ignorance some Americans have put on, both on this forum and elsewhere...But my prediction: Those people will never change, if anything it will get more "evangelic", moralistic and...yes...reach new heights of ignorance.

I'm sorry, but if you wan't things to change around you, you're going to have to move.

Maybe it is time for you to sit down with a bucket of KFC and let the sweet waves of reality-tv hypnotise your brain while you eat away the pain.

Goodness...you could at least say my name Tuminiaa...and being 59 (60 in November thank you very much). As for my part in that argument.

I admit..my information may indeed be a few years old...but when I was in Kuwait/Iraq after the first Gulf war...we did in fact..have a huge presence in the area...granted..I should have reviewed more current info on the situation..but the fact that we have any forces in the area prior to the 2nd Gulf War to me seems more then we'd had previously..I should have stated...that our forces in the area or rather availability of resources is larger then it had been previously to the first Gulf War.

It's not that I didn't bother not to look it up..it's just that I spoke with my last impression of the amount of forces there as of my last deployment to that area.

ok...So I was refering to you. Is that really important in this context?

aHMM...in a word..yes..when you've basically stated I was the intellectual equivalent of a gnat....an attitude you've applied to a vast majority of American citizenry..so yes..I would tend to dispute that in any context you took it.

Of course it's normal not to know everything about everything... But plunging head on into heated debate when you know nothing is not.
Maybe it's that tendecy which gives the impression that Americans are incredibly ignorant.
With you, it's only my opinion.
But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

Well...you know what they say bout opinions..well...you can fanthom that one on your own...bloody ignorant...on the contrary...just indifferent. For example....I believe you said you were from Iceland earlier..correct?...Now..I remember the capital is Reykavik (sp?), you have an abundance of hot springs, and at one point housed a US Air Force Base with a Marine battalion defending it...and you're descended from Vikings who needed a pit stop on the way to Newfoundland....other then that...I'm just plain indifferent to the goings on....most Americans are indifferent because with 50 states taking up a huge chunk of land there are more things happening locally that gets their attention.

Indifferent? You mean that 70% of schoolchildren are indifferent to where they live?
Maybe ignorance is a product of indifference.

Quite accurate though...Reykjavík is the capital (it's where I live).
The American base is still here but it's not in the capital, it's out in the moonscape of the lava-fields. They might be leaving soon, I really hope they do.
We are not descended from Vikings that came here, the Vikings came from Iceland (in Icelandic the word "viking" is a verb, meaning to sail out and raid foreign towns), we are descended from Norvegians that refused to pay taxes to the king of Norway and people that refused to become christian.
But this is all beside the point...I never said I expected you to know my country...just to know what you're talking about.

But when I say the American people are bloody ignorant I have the facts on my side :D (you know, the "70% can't find their own state on a map" thing...etc)

Can't debate that point. Much of Kerry's support comes from these people.
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? :cry:By that logic, so does much of Bush's support. And yes, it is sad, no matter who they support.

FOX is screaming for publicity for being unfair and unbalanced.