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FOX NEWS PUNDIT BRIT HUME TELLS FAMILIES OF DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS

TO "JUST GET OVER IT"

* C O U N T E R B I A S . C O M E X C L U S I V E *

Brit Hume, a conservative news anchor on the right-wing Fox News
Channel, continued his staunch support for the Republican Party when
he told critics of President Bush--including families of American
soldiers killed in his Iraq war--to "just get over it", on the 28
March 2004 edition of Fox News Sunday.

When asked on-air about the criticism Bush had received, from
Democrats and families of American soldiers killed in Iraq,
concerning jokes about non-existent WMD during a White House event,
Mr. Hume unsurprisingly defended Bush, calling his harshly-criticized
jokes a "good-natured performance".

Mr. Hume then said of those critical of Bush's WMD jokes, including
families of American soldiers killed on the premise that such weapons
existed, that "you have to feel like saying to people, 'Just get over
it'."

Mr. Hume has long been apologetic to Republican interests, at one
point playing tennis on White House courts as a guest of both Ronald
Reagan and George H.W. Bush while an 'impartial' Washington reporter
for ABC News.

As a man whose son's life was lost to suicide, Mr. Hume would be
expected to show more sensitivity to the lives of those Americans who
have themselves lost children.

Chris Wallace and Juan Williams, two other Fox pundits appearing in
the segment with Mr. Hume, attempted to talk over Mr. Hume during the
last part of his monologue ("just get over it") at the realization of
the possible damaging effect of his words.

The transcript is provided below:

WALLACE: And one that got a big laugh in the room that day -- and I
must say, I still think it's funny -- the day after, some Democrats
and the families of some American soldiers in Iraq, some who died in
Iraq, said they were offended by this kidding about the missing
weapons of mass destruction. Brit?

HUME: Well, we have a society in which one of the greatest things you
can do is a platform to see victim status, and one of the
qualifications for that is that you have these exquisitely tender
feelings about things and sensibilities which are easily offended.

And in America today, if your sensibilities are offended by something
that has happened, you get an enormous amount of credibility and are
taken very seriously.

My own view of this is, the president's there poking fun at himself
over what goes down, I think, as one of his failures. And I thought
it was a good-natured performance, and it made him look good only in
the sense that it showed he could poke fun at himself. But he
certainly doesn't disguise the record on weapons of mass destruction.

And you have to feel like saying to people, "Just get over it."



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I would be sad if my son or daughter died in a war but I would quit bitching about it after a while.

I would be sad if my son or daughter died in a war but I would quit bitching about it after a while.

LOL

arrow, why dont you just be quiet and watch CNN then. And yes, get over it.

yay for ignorant liberals!

arrow, why dont you just be quiet and watch CNN then. And yes, get over it.

CNN is centrist pablum--Im waiten for Al Franken to come on the air on liberal radio :D

I would be sad if my son or daughter died in a war but I would quit bitching about it after a while.

And of course, you'd be more than happy to have somebody joke about their deaths, and not take t personally when somebody told you to just get over it.

How long would it take for you to get over the emotions of loosing a child?

After all, some parents lost their kids in Iraq just a day or two before this happened.

Should they have been ready to "just get over it" by then?

-Z-

This (among so many other things) is why FOX News sickens me. A horrifically conservative network, parading itself around as "Fair and Balanced" (FOX, please please please be stupid enough to sue me for that line), and then stuffing its opinion segments to the gills with arch-conservatives who just regurgitate whatever they hear from their Lord and Savior George Bush Jr. They never question, and their only liberal is the self-described moderate, the softspoken Alan Colmes. The real problem with FOX: they always get away with it. O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume, and the rest of the gang can say what they want and no one ever makes a big deal of it (except here and in Al Franken's book, which is awesome). Sickening.

FOX News: We Distort, You Comply!

This (among so many other things) is why FOX News sickens me. A horrifically conservative network, parading itself around as "Fair and Balanced" (FOX, please please please be stupid enough to sue me for that line), and then stuffing its opinion segments to the gills with arch-conservatives who just regurgitate whatever they hear from their Lord and Savior George Bush Jr. They never question, and their only liberal is the self-described moderate, the softspoken Alan Colmes. The real problem with FOX: they always get away with it. O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume, and the rest of the gang can say what they want and no one ever makes a big deal of it (except here and in Al Franken's book, which is awesome). Sickening.

FOX News: We Distort, You Comply!

Listen to the O'Franken Factor--he'll choke the liars on foxnews with the truth

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

I could see the humor in the joke. I even found it somewhat amusing. That said, I think Hume's remarks were rather tactless, and perhaps insensitive. I can see where he's coming from, but I wouldn't dream of telling families that had lost children in Iraq that they, in effect, have no "right" to be offended over Bush's joke- which seems to be the gist of Hume's statement.

People have the right to be offended over whatever they want. What they don't have is the right to NOT be offended. :wink:

weren't you warned not to post tons of copy-and-paste threads anymore? This is like your 5th one on the front page...

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

This (among so many other things) is why FOX News sickens me. A horrifically conservative network, parading itself around as "Fair and Balanced" (FOX, please please please be stupid enough to sue me for that line), and then stuffing its opinion segments to the gills with arch-conservatives who just regurgitate whatever they hear from their Lord and Savior George Bush Jr. They never question, and their only liberal is the self-described moderate, the softspoken Alan Colmes. The real problem with FOX: they always get away with it. O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume, and the rest of the gang can say what they want and no one ever makes a big deal of it (except here and in Al Franken's book, which is awesome). Sickening.

FOX News: We Distort, You Comply!


:roll:

People like you are the reason why I watch Fox News, all you did was spin. You didn't back up youre post with anything, just childish insults and propaganda. You had the nerve to act like being Conservative is a bad thing? Please. Keep talking, you make us look better with every word you say.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.


Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

This (among so many other things) is why FOX News sickens me. A horrifically conservative network, parading itself around as "Fair and Balanced" (FOX, please please please be stupid enough to sue me for that line), and then stuffing its opinion segments to the gills with arch-conservatives who just regurgitate whatever they hear from their Lord and Savior George Bush Jr. They never question, and their only liberal is the self-described moderate, the softspoken Alan Colmes. The real problem with FOX: they always get away with it. O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume, and the rest of the gang can say what they want and no one ever makes a big deal of it (except here and in Al Franken's book, which is awesome). Sickening.

FOX News: We Distort, You Comply!

Listen to the O'Franken Factor--he'll choke the liars on foxnews with the truth

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Al Franken wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him in the face! I'll watch bill o'reilly anyday, thank you. :lol:

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he fucked up, people died as a result of said fuck-up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

I don't recall anyone disputing that 9/11 is done with. I thought the discussion here was operating around the Iraq war.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

I don't recall anyone disputing that 9/11 is done with. I thought the discussion here was operating around the Iraq war.

Sorry, I was distracted. I am reading 2 things at once.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Franken wouldn't make this sort of joke. You see, unlike the President, Franken actually gives a flying fark about the consequences of reckless abuse of power.

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. I would like to extend this further by pointing out that this administration has a history of poor judgment, and that we deserve leaders who are better able to consider the consequences of their actions.

This reminds me of someone my friends and I came up with over a dinner, discussing the merits of seeing "The Passion of the Christ":

Jesus is dead. Get over it.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

So why are we bitching about this "terrorism" issue, then?

My God, the stupidity that flows forth from your mouth continues to amaze me.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

So why are we bitching about this "terrorism" issue, then?

My God, the stupidity that flows forth from your mouth continues to amaze me.

:roll:

Stop cherrypicking my posts moron.

This reminds me of someone my friends and I came up with over a dinner, discussing the merits of seeing "The Passion of the Christ":

Jesus is dead. Get over it.Bill Hicks made a similar joke--when people criticized him about harping on about JFK, he'd say "then stop talking to me about Jesus. As long as we're talking shelf life here."

I miss him--hell of a comic.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.


Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.Big difference--Bush took us to war and Clinton didn't. And as a result, the world that once respected us under Clinton now thinks we're a bunch of assholes under Bush. Deal with that.

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.


Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.Big difference--Bush took us to war and Clinton didn't. And as a result, the world that once respected us under Clinton now thinks we're a bunch of assholes under Bush. Deal with that.

Clinton was a patsy,he did whatever the world told him to. I hated that man! I also hated how he bombed an Aspin factory, Overthrew African nations over Diamonds and bombed Iraq for no reason. Deal with that!

I don't care what the world thinks, they hate Bush because he is strong and takes no BS.

Clinton was a patsy,he did whatever the world told him to. I hated that man! I also hated how he bombed an Aspin factory, Overthrew African nations over Diamonds and bombed Iraq for no reason. Deal with that!

Clinton was not perfect; I have no problem admitting that. I do feel that he was one of the better Presidents of the past few decades.

I don't care what the world thinks, they hate Bush because he is strong and takes no BS.

Isn't it rather contradictory to say you don't care what the world thinks, and then proceed to talk about they allegedly do think? If you really don't care, then why talk about it at all?

Also, I don't "hate" Bush because he's strong and takes no BS. I dislike him because I think he's a dishonest and callous asshole who has his own set of priorities- the wellbeing of others not being high on the list.

Big difference--Bush took us to war and Clinton didn't. And as a result, the world that once respected us under Clinton now thinks we're a bunch of assholes under Bush. Deal with that.

Clinton was a patsy,he did whatever the world told him to. I hated that man! I also hated how he bombed an Aspin factory, Overthrew African nations over Diamonds and bombed Iraq for no reason. Deal with that!

I don't care what the world thinks, they hate Bush because he is strong and takes no BS.So which is it--did Clinton bomb Iraq for no reason or because he thought they had WMD? Can't get past your irrational hatred of the man--that's sad. And no, Clinton wasn't perfect, but he was a damn sight better of a President than the current clown is.

Clinton was a patsy,he did whatever the world told him to. I hated that man! I also hated how he bombed an Aspin factory, Overthrew African nations over Diamonds and bombed Iraq for no reason. Deal with that!

Clinton was not perfect; I have no problem admitting that. I do feel that he was one of the better Presidents of the past few decades.

I don't care what the world thinks, they hate Bush because he is strong and takes no BS.

Isn't it rather contradictory to say you don't care what the world thinks, and then proceed to talk about they allegedly do think? If you really don't care, then why talk about it at all?

Also, I don't "hate" Bush because he's strong and takes no BS. I dislike him because I think he's a dishonest and callous asshole who has his own set of priorities- the wellbeing of others not being high on the list.
Bush is BS. He's number 10 on the list of most stupidest Americans. Michael Jackson beeing nr.1 with his sister Janet beeing 2.

Franken wouldn't make this sort of joke. You see, unlike the President, Franken actually gives a flying fark about the consequences of reckless abuse of power.


The point there was that the 'acceptability' of the 'joke' would vary depending upon who made it. Had Bush's opponents or some political cartoonist created it, it wouldn't have caused half the uproar. That would not have made it in any better taste, but if a Democrat had made the joke, you can bet the Republicans would using it as fodder too.

Hahahaha

Oh my God, American news is cracking. Anyone else notice that these guys are perfectly capable of pointing out that Bush is making light about one of his "failures" but are either incompetent or biased enough to not quite work out why this would offend people whose family members have died for said mistake? Hey it's funny when your family members die and the reasons for their death are mocked!

Classic.

I would be sad if my son or daughter died in a war but I would quit bitching about it after a while.

Guess you must be a bit of a battery hen.Suppose it would be a God send if you had one less mouth to feed.

He most certainly does disguise the record by focusing on the fact that "He was a dictator and we are bringin them democracy an shit" instead of seeing his play through.

War is war. People die. You get over it and get used to it.

War is war. People die. You get over it and get used to it.
Or maybe you use it as a last resort, as Kerry says he would have, instead of as a first, like the Shrub. :roll:

Without the war on terror its damn near impossible to have a good reason for attacking iraq in the firs tplace, and its links to major terrorists organisations are pretty damn sketchy.

weren't you warned not to post tons of copy-and-paste threads anymore? This is like your 5th one on the front page...

I didnt copy and paste that one

Hahahaha

Oh my God, American news is cracking. Anyone else notice that these guys are perfectly capable of pointing out that Bush is making light about one of his "failures" but are either incompetent or biased enough to not quite work out why this would offend people whose family members have died for said mistake? Hey it's funny when your family members die and the reasons for their death are mocked!

Classic.
Perhaps Bush should consider a career as a stand up comedian.
"Just be yourself Sir." "They will be ROFLAO!!!"

Now, if Franken had made this joke, y'all'd love it, right?

Bush exhibited a lack of judgement in not foreseeing that the joke would be taken negatively by some. He exhibited poor judgement in not expecting it to be circulated especially in an election year, with a campaign as testy as this one has been. He did not, however, make a joke about dead people. He made a joke about his own failure to back up a claim. That he thinks there is any thing funny in not finding WMD's is another example of his lack of good judgement.Here's the difference--Franken didn't create the situation where thousands of people have died--Bush did, and did so with full knowledge that he was full of crap. Bush doesn't get to joke about that--it's like OJ joking about who killed Ron and Nicole.

Nice spin man, Clinton came to the same thing Bush did, Bush didn't lie, the info he got was flawed. Deal with it.

I don't think that was really the point, Randy. You can debate as to whose mess it "originally" was (I say Reagan), and who lied or didn't lie, but what's certain is that he f--- up, people died as a result of said f----up, and he cracked jokes about it.

The issue is, is that ok, and furthermore, is it ok for some news commentator to tell people they don't have the right to say they have a problem with it?

9/11 is done with, get over it and move on.

So why are we bitching about this "terrorism" issue, then?

My God, the stupidity that flows forth from your mouth continues to amaze me.

:roll:

Stop cherrypicking my posts moron.

Cherrypicking? Who's cherrypicking? You said something astoundingly and amazingly stupid, and I called you out on it.

I'll refrain from calling you a moron in return; I think you've already proved your worthiness of that title so many times already that it doesn't bear repeating.

War is war. People die. You get over it and get used to it.
Or maybe you use it as a last resort, as Kerry says he would have, instead of as a first, like the Shrub. :roll:

When the President of France say's he'll veto any effort to go to use force that comes to the UN Secuirty Council, it dosen't leave much room, does it?

What could we have done? Sanctions? Failed. Bombing? Failed. Inspections? Failed. UN? Failed. Perhaps we should have just pulled a Clinton and gone and totally bypass the UN. Of course I'll let you live in the bubble where you think George W. used force as the first resort.

War is war. People die. You get over it and get used to it.
Or maybe you use it as a last resort, as Kerry says he would have, instead of as a first, like the Shrub. :roll:

When the President of France say's he'll veto any effort to go to use force that comes to the UN Secuirty Council, it dosen't leave much room, does it?

Chirac was an ass. We all know this. Bush should have called his bluff and, if the issue was that important to him, taken diplomatic retaliatory actions. There were many diplomatic avenues Bush could have pursued, and failed to pursue.

What could we have done? Sanctions? Failed. Bombing? Failed. Inspections? Failed. UN? Failed.

Except they didn't. From the documents the American WMD inspectors have unearthed, and from interviews with former Iraqi weapons specialists, it's eminently clear that Saddam ordered the destruction of the last of Iraq's weapons stockpiles in the period between 1995-1996, after his son-in-law defected and the situation with the U.N. became untenable. So no, they didn't fail. They worked exactly as they were supposed to, and when we rolled in Saddam had no WMDs, and few conventional weapons, with which to fight us.

Perhaps we should have just pulled a Clinton and gone and totally bypass the UN. Of course I'll let you live in the bubble where you think George W. used force as the first resort.

Except he did. He put Iraq in a completely untenable position, and even after Saddam finally broke down and fully cooperated, Bush invaded. That's the suckiest part of it- Saddam agreed to allow inspectors in any part of the country without notice, but Bush ignored it and said, "That's not enough; now Saddam has to go." He thus turned a dispute over a WMD resolution into a dispute over national sovereignty.

I am an american soldier and I hate fox news.

I am an american soldier and I hate fox news.

its good to see that not everyone in the military is brainwashed

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicans

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?
Why you ask. I will tell you why. They lie about America's troops. They lie about the relations between american troops and foriegn populations.
They are just a "Relect GW Bush" talk show that runs 24 hours a day instead of the usual 2 minutes.
I voted for him the first, and I'll not make that mistake again.

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?
The fact is, the people at fox do this cause they were all born with silver spoons in their mouths. They never had to work for a living. And almost none of them has a relative in the US military.

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?
The fact is, the people at fox do this cause they were all born with silver spoons in their mouths. They never had to work for a living. And almost none of them has a relative in the US military.

Bush was born with a silver spoon up his nose

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?
The fact is, the people at fox do this cause they were all born with silver spoons in their mouths. They never had to work for a living. And almost none of them has a relative in the US military.

Have any basis for that accusation or are you just going to continue to pull worthless bull out of our back side?

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?
The fact is, the people at fox do this cause they were all born with silver spoons in their mouths. They never had to work for a living. And almost none of them has a relative in the US military.

Have any basis for that accusation or are you just going to continue to pull worthless bull out of our back side?
You pick your ***. :lol:

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

I like to watch them, too- but it's because I see them as comical.

I wouldn't say they're "bad", per se, but a lot of what they do is very farcical, particularly on reports and commentary that is clearly partisan, which ends with, "You're watching Fox News: Fair and Balanced." It's not "bad", just bullshit.

now, i admit i've not read most of the posts here but why is fox news so bad? i mean, i like to watch fox and friends in the morning, but why are they so evil?

cause theyve been caught in outright partisan lies over and over and over and over again--theyre basically just an infomercial for republicanscouldnt the same be said for most of the corporate news networks red arrow?
The fact is, the people at fox do this cause they were all born with silver spoons in their mouths. They never had to work for a living. And almost none of them has a relative in the US military.

Have any basis for that accusation or are you just going to continue to pull worthless bull out of our back side?

bill oreily was born on long island, and he parades around like hes in touch with the working class. you need to go to university to be part of news production. its a highly skilled job, so yeah, most of these people havent really gotten in touch with the lower class. not that i mind, but when they keep claiming to be the voice of the people it gets pretty annoying

I don't like FOX.

Too liberal for me.

I don't like FOX.

Too liberal for me.

Hahaha. Hahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAA!!!!

*rolls on the floor laughing*
*recovers, wipes tear from eye* Man... that was a good one.

What a jerk, Brit Hume, he should go fight the war and let someone say that about him when he gets killed. :evil:

What a jerk, Brit Hume, he should go fight the war and let someone say that about him when he gets killed. :evil:

Brit Hume is too much of a panzy to come off the tennis court and get grass stains on his skirt

Fox News isn't biased towards anything but the almighty dollar. The only reason the network exists is because they know they can make money off it. If it became unprofitable to espouse conservative viewpoints, you can rest assured that the network would be off the air in a heartbeat. If Murdoch thought he could make money by having a 24 hour Brad Pitt-Jennifer Aniston News network, he would have it up and running in a month. It's all about the dollar. That's all Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, and Michael Moore care about.

What a jerk, Brit Hume, he should go fight the war and let someone say that about him when he gets killed. :evil:

Brit Hume is too much of a panzy to come off the tennis court and get grass stains on his skirt

For a guy who slams homosexuals so much, Brit Hume strikes me as more effeminate than the Queer Eye dudes. Yes, even Carson. Barely.

Fox News isn't biased towards anything but the almighty dollar. The only reason the network exists is because they know they can make money off it. If it became unprofitable to espouse conservative viewpoints, you can rest assured that the network would be off the air in a heartbeat. If Murdoch thought he could make money by having a 24 hour Brad Pitt-Jennifer Aniston News network, he would have it up and running in a month. It's all about the dollar. That's all Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, and Michael Moore care about.But when you consider how much friendlier the Republicans are to not only corporate America, but to the idea of media consolidation, then it's even less of a surprise that they carry Fox's water.

That's not to say that many Democrats aren't corporate friendly--just not to the extent that the Republicans are generally.

Posty the Wonderforummer?

War is war. People die. You get over it and get used to it.
Or maybe you use it as a last resort, as Kerry says he would have, instead of as a first, like the Shrub. :roll:

When the President of France say's he'll veto any effort to go to use force that comes to the UN Secuirty Council, it dosen't leave much room, does it?

What could we have done? Sanctions? Failed. Bombing? Failed. Inspections? Failed. UN? Failed. Perhaps we should have just pulled a Clinton and gone and totally bypass the UN. Of course I'll let you live in the bubble where you think George W. used force as the first resort.

LOL! Inspections failed for a reason.

The Entire point of having a vote is so that the majority rules. You are supposed to live with the outcome not take your ball and go home.
And dont act as if America has been the only one slighted by someone Veto'ing a resolution. THe U.S has been the greatest thing wrong with the security council. They have veto'd more resolutions than anybody.