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US BMD To Be Rendered Useless

Terra Alliance
30-03-2004, 06:29
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/040329/w032974.html

Russia says its new weapon will make U.S. missile defence useless

12:22 AM EST Mar 30

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia has designed a "revolutionary" weapon that would make the prospective American missile defence useless, Russian news agencies reported Monday, quoting a senior Defence Ministry official.

The official, who was not identified by name, said tests conducted during last month's military manoeuvres would dramatically change the philosophy behind development of Russia's nuclear forces, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies reported. If deployed, the new weapon would take the value of any U.S. missile shield to "zero," the news agencies quoted the official as saying.

The official said the new weapon would be inexpensive, providing an "asymmetric answer" to U.S. missile defences, which are proving extremely costly to develope.

Russia, meanwhile, also has continued research in prospective missile defences and has an edge in some areas compared to other countries, the official said.

The statement reported Monday was in line with claims by President Vladimir Putin's that experiments performed during last month's manoeuvres proved that Russia could soon build strategic weapons that could puncture any missile-defence system.

At the time, Col-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces, explained that the military tested a "hypersonic flying vehicle" that was able to manoeuvre between space and the earth's atmosphere.

Military analysts said that the mysterious new weapons could be a manoeuvrable ballistic missile warhead or a hypersonic cruise missile.

While Putin said the development of such new weapons wasn't aimed against the United States, most observers viewed the move as Moscow's retaliation to the U.S. missile defence plans.

After years of vociferous protests, Russia reacted calmly when Washington withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002 in order to develop of a countrywide missile shield. But U.S.-Russian relations have soured again lately, and Moscow has complained about Washington's plans to build new low-yield nuclear weapons.



© The Canadian Press, 2004

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How much money says Putin will supply Hypersonic missiles and the accompanying technology to countries like N. Korea, Iran, and so forth just to spite the US for going ahead with BMD despite their objections? I don't know if Putin would be ballsy enough to do something like that? Opinons?
Colodia
30-03-2004, 06:30
Of course...the Canadians...

anyways....welcome to 2004. I'm sure we're already working on some doomsday device for those commies. It's a secret. so shh!
Terra Alliance
30-03-2004, 06:39
Its just a Canadian news source, Russia made the claim. I'd just hate to see the political fallout if the US invested billions in a defence system that would be rendered useless just by Russia exporting this missile tech to say China, N. Korea, or Iran. Russia does export military hardware rather often as they need to do this to pay the bills...
Incertonia
30-03-2004, 06:44
Missile defense is already useless. It doesn't work and even the most hopeful estimates say it won't work in the next ten years. Doesn't stop the Bush administration from deploying it, mind you--so much for fiscal responsibility.
Santin
30-03-2004, 06:46
Well, if nothing else, Russia's being prudent. Tactically, a BMD has strong potential to remove the capability of a first strike -- namely, a nation with BMD could launch at a nation without BMD without fear of immediate repercussion. And it's not as if BMD systems will always be uniformly under the control of the US, so it only makes sense to maintain your ability to hit the other guy pretty hard.

And besides, BMDs obviously don't have the capacity to stop everything. Such a claim ignores quite a few possibilities. The main thing is that it can hopefully stop ICBMs and shift the balance of power a bit more.

It doesn't seem, at the moment, that this was necessarily intended to have a major political impact -- namely because an "unnamed senior official" is the source. So either it wasn't an approved leak or it was intended to be more of a quiet notification than a public slap in the face. Hell, they could be bluffing -- I don't think so, but they may be overstating their progress.

I suppose it couldn't hurt to point out that the US has its own research program going for hypersonic planes. Not many people seem to be talking about them as weapons delivery devices yet, but it seems implied to me.
Detsl-stan
30-03-2004, 06:47
Ole Putin is jes' tryin' to keep y'all on your toes. Just getting y'all to exercise more.

"Outrun that reentry vehicle, beaatchhh!!!!" :twisted:
Aliedel
30-03-2004, 06:54
I dont know that supposed future traveler did say Russia would launch nukes at us in 2005 starting a nuclear war that would destroy almost everying (though south america would be left relatively unharmed)
Colodia
30-03-2004, 06:56
I dont know that supposed future traveler did say Russia would launch nukes at us in 2005 starting a nuclear war that would destroy almost everying (though south america would be left relatively unharmed)

I thought he "said" there'll be a U.S. Civil War in 2005...**** John Titor though. Just watch on 2005. There won't be anything more than Arnold cursing the President for not allowing forgeiners to be President
Terra Alliance
30-03-2004, 06:56
Anyway, it looks like Cold War Arms Race Part II is in the works...

Aliedel, You're talking about John Titor right? You don't really believe that do you?
Squi
30-03-2004, 06:56
Apparently this is just the Russian version of the X43 scramjet. What effect it will have on BMD is still up in the air. Certainly it would be capable of defeating terminal defense (intercepting the missles at the end of their flight), but US BMD these days is concentrated on midflight and early flight interception, neither of which would be significantly changed by the scramjets. Now cruise missles would be annother thing entirely, BMD doesn't purport to adress that problem, that's the field for aegis defense.
Aliedel
30-03-2004, 07:10
Anyway, it looks like Cold War Arms Race Part II is in the works...

Aliedel, You're talking about John Titor right? You don't really believe that do you?

Im a skeptical hippie I wont believe something until I see it but im not going to disregard it....
Terra Alliance
30-03-2004, 07:11
Anyway, it looks like Cold War Arms Race Part II is in the works...

Aliedel, You're talking about John Titor right? You don't really believe that do you?

Im a skeptical hippie I wont believe something until I see it but im not going to disregard it....

www.johntitor.com

Some of that stuff gives me the hebbie jeebies, I'm 99% sure its bull, but theres always that lone 1% naggin at my mind.
Omz222
30-03-2004, 07:16
Actually, from what I heard nearly a month ago (in some military aviation forum), it's a missile warhead that has some kind of thrusters (as I'd recall) and the ability to actually maneuver and dodge the "kill vehicles" (which are essentially the "Warhead" of the US anti-ballistic-missiles missiles).

But with that, I really doubt that they could be entering service soon either, as these will still have to go into development. This, along with the "plasma stealth" the Russians has been flaunting about lately (in which they finally admitted that it didn't quite work as they expected to), may as well not work as they were expected to in real combat.

But with that, the BMD in the USA is also another ten or twenty years ahead -- those components that will be deployed in Alaska by the end of the year, not suprisingly, are only the basic of the basic needed.
Tuesday Heights
30-03-2004, 07:19
The Russians always find a way to get us! :roll:
Aliedel
30-03-2004, 07:21
The Russians always find a way to get us! :roll:


considering Saddam didn't even threaten us and we attacked him and these comments can be thought of as threats I bet bush can't wait to bomb them and then we need to keep him in office because we cant have a change of power halfway through a war with Russia.
Terra Alliance
30-03-2004, 07:23
Come on, the US would never go after the Russians, mainly because they could actually muster a credible defence.