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According to you, who should be awarded the Peace Nobel Prize ?
For my part, I think that Pope John-Paul II deserves it.

According to you, who should be awarded the Peace Nobel Prize ?
For my part, I think that Pope John-Paul II deserves it.

No. I am a Catholic but I strongly disagree with the Pope being awarded it. The strong line Vatican line on contrception is nothing short of genocide in Africa.

JP? No, no, no.

Someone from the East Timor leadership? Perhaps it's not really topical now.

Why not?

How about Osama Bin Laden? Or Bush? They could share it.
Wouldn't be the first time terrorist leaders would get the price.

In my eyes the Nobel Peace Prize was discredited forever when they handed one to Henry Kissinger.

In my eyes the Nobel Peace Prize was discredited forever when they handed one to Henry Kissinger.

Maybe, but who is the person who has done the "best" to maintain or reach peace, according to you?

In my eyes the Nobel Peace Prize was discredited forever when they handed one to Henry Kissinger.

Maybe, but who is the person who has done the "best" to maintain or reach peace, according to you?

Off the top of my head: how about giving one to the Quakers/Society Of Friends as a whole?

Off the top of my head: how about giving one to the Quakers/Society Of Friends as a whole?

Ah-hah. It appears they have already received on in 1947, but then the Red Cross has received more than one as well (1917 & 1944).

How about Osama Bin Laden? Or Bush? They could share it.
Wouldn't be the first time terrorist leaders would get the price.
Actually, a Swedish legislature did propose Bush to be a recipient.

According to you, who should be awarded the Peace Nobel Prize ?
For my part, I think that Pope John-Paul II deserves it.

No. I am a Catholic but I strongly disagree with the Pope being awarded it. The strong line Vatican line on contrception is nothing short of genocide in Africa.
Why are so many people saying that? Does his stance on contraception mean that the Vatican sends officials to Africa to burn condoms? No one is being forced to be Catholic.
Besides, the pope has done more to reach out to Jews, Muslims, and other Christians than any other pope, except maybe John XXIII. He's also always had a message of peace. With this contraception business of his, I'm sure that when he said condoms shouldn't be used, he didn't have in mind slaughtering millions of Africans. For God's sake, he was the first pope to visit Africa since the fall of the Roman Empire! How can he be anti-African?

Yes, I agree with you. Pope John Paul II did a lot to reconciliate different religions, he has also talked with buddhists, and other religions, as far as I remember. In my view, he has done far more for peace than Bush ever did... Moreover, I've learned that the Vatican has diplomatic relations with more than 80% of the world countries and Vatican diplomacy is the most respected and listened to, yet rather discreet and unknown.

How about Osama Bin Laden? Or Bush? They could share it.
Wouldn't be the first time terrorist leaders would get the price.
Actually, a Swedish legislature did propose Bush to be a recipient.
Wow. Never knew the Swedes still believed in the WPTV doctrine.

Maybe they were pressured...

For God's sake, he was the first pope to visit Africa since the fall of the Roman Empire! How can he be anti-African?

As I view the issue the problem here is that the Pope appears to be more concerned with the state of people's imortal souls, rather than the quality of life that they experience on Earth. Ones opinions on the validity of his position obviously value depending on whether or not one believes we possess immortal souls.

For God's sake, he was the first pope to visit Africa since the fall of the Roman Empire! How can he be anti-African?

As I view the issue the problem here is that the Pope appears to be more concerned with the state of people's imortal souls, rather than the quality of life that they experience on Earth. Ones opinions on the validity of his position obviously value depending on whether or not one believes we possess immortal souls.
Ever heard of ecumenism? (sp?) The practice of winning over souls through earthly work? Well, that, in my mind, is enough to qualify as humanitarian. Mother Theresa followed the same policy, and no one doubts her humanitarian works.

For God's sake, he was the first pope to visit Africa since the fall of the Roman Empire! How can he be anti-African?

As I view the issue the problem here is that the Pope appears to be more concerned with the state of people's imortal souls, rather than the quality of life that they experience on Earth. Ones opinions on the validity of his position obviously value depending on whether or not one believes we possess immortal souls.
Ever heard of ecumenism? (sp?) The practice of winning over souls through earthly work? Well, that, in my mind, is enough to qualify as humanitarian. Mother Theresa followed the same policy, and no one doubts her humanitarian works.

Ever heard of ecumenism? (sp?) The practice of winning over souls through earthly work? Well, that, in my mind, is enough to qualify as humanitarian. Mother Theresa followed the same policy, and no one doubts her humanitarian works.

Well, actually I doubt Mother Theresa's humanitarian works - according to certain accounts she was primarily motivated by the desire to save the souls of the dying, rather than to provide them with physical solace or a chance to live. I am not saying that such accounts are authoritative, but rather that I do have my doubts.

Here is one example of others who have their doubts:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mother-Theresa

Ever heard of ecumenism? (sp?) The practice of winning over souls through earthly work? Well, that, in my mind, is enough to qualify as humanitarian. Mother Theresa followed the same policy, and no one doubts her humanitarian works.

Well, actually I doubt Mother Theresa's humanitarian works - according to certain accounts she was primarily motivated by the desire to save the souls of the dying, rather than to provide them with physical solace or a chance to live. I am not saying that such accounts are authoritative, but rather that I do have my doubts.

Here is one example of others who have their doubts:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mother-Theresa
What's wrong with that being your motivation?