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Check it out: http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/

Pretty eerie place...


(Copied and paste from Daniel at history forum.)

Deep, I know.

Chernobyl...yet another failure of Marxism-Leninism.

Deep, I know.

Terrible story, isn't it? A guide collegue went there (just outside, perhaps just in the perimeter) last year and he told me that it is full of wolves there now and that the wildlife like the region knew it before the industrialisation is comming back. .

His collegue from the national park "Des Ecrins" took some blood samples from this specie of wolves and found that there was radioactivite beyond average in it.

BTW, where I live in France, we know some of the worst radioactive spots in W-EU. Those areas are accesible for the public. The spots are "Col du Granon", the spot of the millitary barracks,and near the heights of Le Monetier (South of the village). I never go there with clients, my girfriends friend, Valérie works for the park and showed me some carts with our local radioactivity.
It is very isolated, but the level at those spots (mostly in small and deep depresions) is to high to stay and camp. Off course you won't find this in our "office du Tourisme" guide. But we know and we also see it at the mushrooms that pop there in autumn...

I have just finished going through that virtual tour.

Chernobyl was a sad thing.

Chernobyl...yet another failure of Marxism-Leninism.

It was a cathastrophy, true.

But saying that it has to do something with Karl Marx is of topic. That would mean that the US Chernobyl, Harrisburgh (alltough a good cover up an a bit less worse then Chernya, still the first nuclear disaster) falls under the responsabillity of "Wild US unsafe capitalisme".

You can not use this for US Rep propaganda because the USSR had dozens of reactors that did not fail,.The US failed once (I forget Hiroshima and nagasaki warcrimes, of topic) at Harrisburgh (or something like that name) and the USSR at Chernobyl.

Conclusion, both nations are so primitive, compared to the EU or Japan nuclear standards in safety rules that there should be a UN ban on the nuclear industry of both, proven incompetent nations.

Conclusion, both nations are so primitive, compared to the EU or Japan nuclear standards in safety rules that there should be a UN ban on the nuclear industry of both, proven incompetent nations.

Agree with you up to here Silly. Japan really isn*t a good safety standard to hold up though. The Tokaimura nuclear
accident (http://www.isis-online.org/publications/tokai.html) of September 30, 1999. Showed how bad Japan*s saftey stanadards really are. To make a long story short, poor safety (http://www.amrc.org.hk/alu/Alu39/013905.html), in violation of guidelines and procedures, caused a criticality at a uranium processing plant, killing 3.

Conclusion, both nations are so primitive, compared to the EU or Japan nuclear standards in safety rules that there should be a UN ban on the nuclear industry of both, proven incompetent nations.

Agree with you up to here Silly. Japan really isn*t a good safety standard to hold up though. The Tokaimura nuclear
accident (http://www.isis-online.org/publications/tokai.html) of September 30, 1999. Showed how bad Japan*s saftey stanadards really are. To make a long story short, poor safety (http://www.amrc.org.hk/alu/Alu39/013905.html), in violation of guidelines and procedures, caused a criticality at a uranium processing plant, killing 3.

Thanks for the info, I was not aware of that incident.WOW., coppied, pasted and sended to friends;, merci and "dank u wel".

But glad we still have not this case of incident. When I think at my family in Belgium, a Chernobyl accident would mean that the complete small country should be evacuated.

Conclusion, both nations are so primitive, compared to the EU or Japan nuclear standards in safety rules that there should be a UN ban on the nuclear industry of both, proven incompetent nations.

Agree with you up to here Silly. Japan really isn*t a good safety standard to hold up though. The Tokaimura nuclear
accident (http://www.isis-online.org/publications/tokai.html) of September 30, 1999. Showed how bad Japan*s saftey stanadards really are. To make a long story short, poor safety (http://www.amrc.org.hk/alu/Alu39/013905.html), in violation of guidelines and procedures, caused a criticality at a uranium processing plant, killing 3.

Thanks for the info, I was not aware of that incident.WOW., coppied, pasted and sended to friends;, merci and "dank u wel".

But glad we still have not this case of incident. When I think at my family in Belgium, a Chernobyl accident would mean that the complete small country should be evacuated.

And there have been others.
Greenpeace (http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/chernob/rep02.html) has a pretty good list of different nuclear accidents around the world.
And don*t forget that Japan had a nuclear weapons program (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/japan/nuke/) as well as a civilian one. The weapons program could be reconstituted fairly easily - at least technically. Politically it would be a major screw up domestically and internationally.

This was the first time I had taken the virtual tour of the site.

Deep...

And creepy!

I'm in the middle of the tour.......geees......makes you feel how lucky you really are.................

question: what the hell is she doing so close to the power plant?! wtf is she thinking, thats not smart at all; eh her loss i guess....

Fascinating and frightening. Thank you.

Silly, the Harrisburg "disaster" was Three Mile Island. England also had a major disaster and I'm not sure what year it was, but it was at Windscale. 10000 times more radiation was released there than at TMI. Luckily, a Chernobyl scale meltdown cannot happen in US designed reactors, where they have fancy things like containment vessels and safety. TMI was actually a quite successful containment. The amount of radiation released into the air was equal to the amount you would receive if you flew from Florida to Montana and back. But thanks to the media and the lack of cooperation from power companies, very few people know that the damage to the outside world was miniscule, and have ruined nuclear energys good reputation. The US hasn't built a nuclear plant since TMI, mainly because of the public's view. I think the people should learn about things before making any conclusions about things, especially intangibles like radiation. I'm sure in 50 years we will realize how much safer and more effective nuclear energy, because by that time we'll be running low on other energy sources.

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The problem w/nuclear energy is not so much the probability of a catastrophic accident at a nuke powerplant but the cost of safely storing nuclear waste + cleaning up decomissioned plants. Once you factor in those costs, nuclear power doesn't look like such a good deal anymore.

Anyone see "on the beach"?