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“Air America Radio will be available immediately in top markets across the country, and our distribution channels will continue to expand in the coming months via affiliation agreements with partner stations across the land,” said Air America Radio President Jon Sinton.

Air America Radio will debut its programming on radio stations WLIB (AM 1190am) in New York, WNTD (AM 950) in Chicago and KBLA (AM 1580) in Los Angeles and a station in San Francisco to be named before launch.

Air America’s partnership with WLIB owner, Inner City Broadcasting Corporation, is a complementary agreement that builds on the goals of each organization – to bring new energy and new immediacy to messages, issues and audiences that deserve a place in today’s media marketplace.

“We are excited about the diverse and important voices Air America Radio is bringing to the airwaves, both on our own WLIB signal and others,” said Pierre Sutton, Chairman of ICBC. “This strategic partnership allows both companies to combine our resources and deliver relevant messages to a broad and diverse audience. Our talented Mark Riley joins new and exciting co-hosts throughout the broadcast day in multiple major markets to open the airwaves to opinions and entertaining commentary that Americans can hear nowhere else.”

three in one day is over doing it a little, no? or, are you just making up for lost time? :wink:

three in one day is over doing it a little, no? or, are you just making up for lost time? :wink:

that was the last one (shhh)

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative and do not let a CNN poll tell you otherwise. the thing is this is nothing new, liberals already have radio stations..... its called NPR! national public radio. yes your tax dollars go into a radio station of where people call in and bash republicans all day.. makes you rather sick doesn’t it. I can hardly think of what john F’in Kerry would do to America should he become president. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

Unbelievable as it seems (to you libs), I actually would like to see this effort have even a modicum of success, even though I have few doubts that it will fall flat on its face.

Of course, though, the main reason it will fall flat is a very simple technological factor...the telephone! You see, the first time someone disagrees with one of the show hosts (Franken, Garofalo, Kennedy, et al,) they will pick up the phone and call in to express their disagreement, or to challenge the views expressed. And, true to form, the host's only plausible defense will be to accuse the caller of any one (or more) of the following:
- close-mindedness
- meanness
- racism
or any other of the liberal list of insults. Unfortunately for Al Franken, though, he'll be unable to tackle those who disagree with him. Fortunately for Janeane Garofalo, well, she does have a face made for radio.

But in all honesty, I think the liberal radio network will be fun to tune to...there's always room on the radio for more shock jocks.

The so-called liberals are just less extreme capitalists. They do not seek to truely put an end to wage slavery.

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I guess you never heard of RadioLeft (http://www.radioleft.com). I wouldn't recomend the forums except for rabid Liberals who want to sit around agreeing with one another, the mods there are worse than anything that ever could happen here. They edit posts, delete posts, and downright flame their opposition when and if it shows up. I posted there and had my posts edited to contain 14/88 Neo-Nazi propaganda by the moderator in charge of all forums.

I guess you never heard of RadioLeft (http://www.radioleft.com). I wouldn't recomend the forums except for rabid Liberals who want to sit around agreeing with one another, the mods there are worse than anything that ever could happen here. They edit posts, delete posts, and downright flame their opposition when and if it shows up. I posted there and had my posts edited to contain 14/88 Neo-Nazi propaganda by the moderator in charge of all forums.

Sounds like it's the same bunch from DU.

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

thats the problem about the left, they cant compete in the arena of ideas so they have to attack you. ive fuaght that off for almost 4 years now. since i realized i was being branwashed by the partisan media. it should be quite fun to listen to, ill just have to keep the barf bag at the ready. now lets wait a second here... arent all those people second rate movie starts who are hosting this? al franken... i guess he was thaught my micheal moore. see what happens when you give idiots a camera!

I guess you could say it's a good thing the Leftist Radio network won't be carried (for now) here where I live. I am almost sure my co-workers would have me fired for yelling "that's <bleep>!!" at my radio, at least twice per minute.

Hell, they already look at me funny for laughing out loud while listening to the Jim Rome Show.

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative and do not let a CNN poll tell you otherwise. the thing is this is nothing new, liberals already have radio stations..... its called NPR! national public radio. yes your tax dollars go into a radio station of where people call in and bash republicans all day.. makes you rather sick doesn’t it. I can hardly think of what john F’in Kerry would do to America should he become president. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative and do not let a CNN poll tell you otherwise. the thing is this is nothing new, liberals already have radio stations..... its called NPR! national public radio. yes your tax dollars go into a radio station of where people call in and bash republicans all day.. makes you rather sick doesn’t it. I can hardly think of what john F’in Kerry would do to America should he become president. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

Care to give a link to that poll?

I'd say about 30% of the US is liberal, about 30% is conservative and the rest tend to swing. I'm sure this station will do fine, as even a fairly small audience can easily recoup costs.

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

link it please. Show your evidence.

It won't last....I seem to remember there have been other attempts to break into talk radio with a liberal slant...to date..none have ever been successful...as for not having enough money?..Shoot...Leftiwood out in Kalifornia has more then enough money....they give it out by the bushel as long as you say you're anti-Bush.

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

link it please. Show your evidence.

do a google search for "Gallup Polls"

The so-called liberals are just less extreme capitalists. They do not seek to truely put an end to wage slavery.

You gotta start somewhere don't you?

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

link it please. Show your evidence.

do a google search for "Gallup Polls"

Polls can be notoriously inaccurate, depending on the type and phrasing of the question....not saying you're incorrect but it's almost midnite and soon this old man is going to bed...let you young men/women stay up late.

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

link it please. Show your evidence.

do a google search for "Gallup Polls"

AHH...heres a better idea.

look for....

"Americas changing political geography survey" Oct. 2002 (Conducted by Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates.)

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative

Which must have been why the last Presidential election was the closest in US history. Right. :roll:

Finally, a network that I would rather shoot my radio than listen to.

Al Franken can go screw himself with an iron stick. Sean Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, and Michael Savage will continue to kick ass.

-Emperor Jim.

I read a statistic that 95% of peopole would rather use a porta-pottie than listen to either Al Franken or Bill O'reilly.

Of course, the sample group was college age people, standing in a very long line in front of a porta-potty at Octoberfest.

IS this the one that Gore wanted to invest in?

Bloody stupid love-hippies!

Bill O'Reilly is a big blubbering va.. (http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=bill_oreilly) erm.. you better see for yourself.

I'm gonna find that station. I hate Republican stations.

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires.

Gee, monopolistic control, that's something to be proud of when you're talking about competing viewpoints.

For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. ?

Well, that and because he screens his callers to only allow through those he can shout down or those who start off with "Megadittos, Rush!" But yes, conservatives have spent years learning how to defend him...just look at how quickly it's forgotten that the man who previously wanted drug users jailed or shot had a prescription drug habit. That is, indeed, some skill.

Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful.

Never needed to defend themselves...right. Rush and his ilk just preach sunshine and flowers all day. And besides, it's easy to advocate change! :roll:

Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

Yes, Liberals control newspapers...that's why the whole Lewinsky scandal went so woefully underreported in that medium.

I figured as soon as this hit the forum, there would be a wash of people eager to praise their conservative hosts while discrediting this action as "Liberal this-or-that."

Bloody stupid love-hippies!

Do you have anything meaningful to say about anything?

Avctually no..your wrong.
According to a recent Gallup Poll.....56% of America is Left/Liberal

link it please. Show your evidence.

do a google search for "Gallup Polls"

AHH...heres a better idea.

look for....

"Americas changing political geography survey" Oct. 2002 (Conducted by Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates.)

Better still look at who is paying Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates (http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=com&orgid=8413&comid=420r)

The New Democrat Network (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=New_Democrat_Network) is a compiliation of Democrats. It is not non-partisian nor do they pay for unbiased polls. They spin hard and fast.

:shock:

duplicate of above - lousy bandwidth - S.S.D.D.

:shock:

I'm gonna find that station. I hate Republican stations.

According to their website....

Air America Radio will debut its programming on radio stations WLIB (AM 1190am) in New York, WNTD (AM 950) in Chicago and KBLA (AM 1580) in Los Angeles and a station in San Francisco to be named before launch.

If I listen very, very closely, I can almost pick up WLIB from where I live...if only the signal was a tad stronger!

I guess you never heard of RadioLeft (http://www.radioleft.com). I wouldn't recomend the forums except for rabid Liberals who want to sit around agreeing with one another, the mods there are worse than anything that ever could happen here. They edit posts, delete posts, and downright flame their opposition when and if it shows up. I posted there and had my posts edited to contain 14/88 Neo-Nazi propaganda by the moderator in charge of all forums.

Sounds like it's the same bunch from DU.

*cough*

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All right, so I left that board in January because of issues with the administration there....

remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

freedom for who? The oppressed tens of thousands of people in other nations that Bush feels free to walk all over and kill for no apparent reason? Hey, where DID those weapons of mass destruction go? Little f'ers hide so dang well, don't they?

In my State's Student Congress Championships, I was ranked the THIRD most conservative person in a house of 22... and I don't even consider myself conservative... if it is indeed reflective of young society at large, we're actually quite liberal as it is.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative and do not let a CNN poll tell you otherwise. the thing is this is nothing new, liberals already have radio stations..... its called NPR! national public radio. yes your tax dollars go into a radio station of where people call in and bash republicans all day.. makes you rather sick doesn’t it. I can hardly think of what john F’in Kerry would do to America should he become president. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

A vote for Bush is a vote for freedom from what?

once again the liberals are attempting to compete with rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity. don’t these liberals realize that they have gotten their message out and the American people have just rejected it? yes the majority of America is conservative and do not let a CNN poll tell you otherwise. the thing is this is nothing new, liberals already have radio stations..... its called NPR! national public radio. yes your tax dollars go into a radio station of where people call in and bash republicans all day.. makes you rather sick doesn’t it. I can hardly think of what john F’in Kerry would do to America should he become president. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

Liar--liberals have NOT gotten the truth out because the corporate media is owned by the rightwing beast

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

most newspapers arent liberal but centrist pap--we demand a truly progressive voice on the airwaves

thats the problem about the left, they cant compete in the arena of ideas so they have to attack you. ive fuaght that off for almost 4 years now. since i realized i was being branwashed by the partisan media. it should be quite fun to listen to, ill just have to keep the barf bag at the ready. now lets wait a second here... arent all those people second rate movie starts who are hosting this? al franken... i guess he was thaught my micheal moore. see what happens when you give idiots a camera!

actually in a FAIR debate without some fat rightwing drooling host innerupting and shouting down his intellectually superior opponent its consistently the rightwing extremist who ends up fleeing with his tail between his legs

It won't last....I seem to remember there have been other attempts to break into talk radio with a liberal slant...to date..none have ever been successful...as for not having enough money?..Shoot...Leftiwood out in Kalifornia has more then enough money....they give it out by the bushel as long as you say you're anti-Bush.

the sensationalistic lies of the rightwing are more attractive to people in an obscene kind of way--but leftwing radio will thrive because God wills it

Finally, a network that I would rather shoot my radio than listen to.

Al Franken can go screw himself with an iron stick. Sean Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, and Michael Savage will continue to kick ass.

-Emperor Jim.


Al Franken blows those shallow liars out of the water--get real

remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

freedom for who? The oppressed tens of thousands of people in other nations that Bush feels free to walk all over and kill for no apparent reason? Hey, where DID those weapons of mass destruction go? Little f'ers hide so dang well, don't they?

Bush makes fun of his WMD lies while soldiers and other innocents die in Iraq for Bushs war profiteering

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Everyones relling me how right wing biased the American media is (especially fox news) but ive been watching Fox news and it doesn't seem bad at all. Is it just a myth?

Everyones relling me how right wing biased the American media is (especially fox news) but ive been watching Fox news and it doesn't seem bad at all. Is it just a myth?

no your just brainwashed and dont even know it yet

If anything i've been brain washed by the politically correct, left wing BBC!

oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Booorrrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnggggggg
Man, that would be theeee lamest radio show.

yup you got that right...

It won't last....I seem to remember there have been other attempts to break into talk radio with a liberal slant...to date..none have ever been successful...as for not having enough money?..Shoot...Leftiwood out in Kalifornia has more then enough money....they give it out by the bushel as long as you say you're anti-Bush.

the sensationalistic lies of the rightwing are more attractive to people in an obscene kind of way--but leftwing radio will thrive because God wills it

Whoa there, bucko. God wills that the Liberal radio be successful? We shall see about that, shan't we?

Booorrrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnggggggg
Man, that would be theeee lamest radio show.

Maybe so...but think about the comedic potential offered by the sight and sound of Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo et al, taking their first call and being tripped by something as simple as the proof of liberalism's failure.

Makes me want to buy the webcast...if they have it.

If anything i've been brain washed by the politically correct, left wing BBC!

Oh your British so you have no idea what it means to be an oppressed American

oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...

Booorrrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnggggggg
Man, that would be theeee lamest radio show.

whats so borin about a radio show that crushes the head of the rightwing serpent?

oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...

Im reading his book Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them and he dissects all the outrights lies and evil agenda of the demonic right flawlessly

[quote=Rabalo]oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...[/quote

While he's undoubtedly and unabashedly partisan, I think he's fairly truthful. His book was extremely well documented and source (that was kind of the point, after all). As far as pundits go, I like him as he's fairly truthful but also entertaining and inflammatory.]

If anything i've been brain washed by the politically correct, left wing BBC!

I've been brainwashed by the Soviet National Anthem.

We fought for the future, destroyed the invader,
We brought to our homeland the laurels of fame,
Our glory will live in the memory of nations,
And all generations will honor thy name..."

*sings quietly*

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

most newspapers arent liberal but centrist pap--we demand a truly progressive voice on the airwaves
Let's stick to the newspapers. You think none of the editorialists, at least, are liberals? What about Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times? Or Molly Ivens from (I think) the Chicago Tribune?

Let's stick to the newspapers. You think none of the editorialists, at least, are liberals? What about Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times? Or Molly Ivens from (I think) the Chicago Tribune?

Editorialists are SUPPOSED to be partisan, basically, and for every liberal there's a conservative. I"m not familiar with the American media, but in Canada there's basically two national papers. The Globe and Mail is quite liberal on the whole, The National Post staunchly conservative.

[quote=Rabalo]oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...

While he's undoubtedly and unabashedly partisan, I think he's fairly truthful. His book was extremely well documented and source (that was kind of the point, after all). As far as pundits go, I like him as he's fairly truthful but also entertaining and inflammatory.

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

Gee, thanks... what did you change, anyways?

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

Franken's a pretty quick guy. Besides, if he borrows some of O'Reilly's screeners, he'll be just fine. I also don't think you give liberal arguments much credit, nor do I think I"ve ever seen you argue a point (other than posting countless editorials).

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

Gee, thanks... what did you change, anyways?

I thought I had changed it to account for the quotes, but even I messed them up. Obladi-oblada...even when I help humanity, something gets in my way.

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

Franken's a pretty quick guy. Besides, if he borrows some of O'Reilly's screeners, he'll be just fine. I also don't think you give liberal arguments much credit, nor do I think I"ve ever seen you argue a point (other than posting countless editorials).

Maybe if he gets O'Reilly's screeners...not sure about that, since I don't listen to O'Reilly very often at all.

As for giving liberal arguments "much" credit, I actually give them the credit that said arguments have demonstrated that they have. When I see the results of the War on Poverty, the Welfare state, the state of education, and political correctness run amok, I get all the confirmation I need of the failures of liberalism.

Like I always say, government has only 2 roles I give it credit for:
- Law enforcement
- National Security
everything else can be done better by the free market.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

most newspapers arent liberal but centrist pap--we demand a truly progressive voice on the airwaves
Let's stick to the newspapers. You think none of the editorialists, at least, are liberals? What about Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times? Or Molly Ivens from (I think) the Chicago Tribune?

they represents a tiny percentage of moral voices in the wilderness of rightwing hate media

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

most newspapers arent liberal but centrist pap--we demand a truly progressive voice on the airwaves
Let's stick to the newspapers. You think none of the editorialists, at least, are liberals? What about Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times? Or Molly Ivens from (I think) the Chicago Tribune?

they represents a tiny percentage of moral voices in the wilderness of rightwing hate media

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

most newspapers arent liberal but centrist pap--we demand a truly progressive voice on the airwaves
Let's stick to the newspapers. You think none of the editorialists, at least, are liberals? What about Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times? Or Molly Ivens from (I think) the Chicago Tribune?

they represents a tiny percentage of moral voices in the wilderness of rightwing hate media

That statement is too funny, RedArrow. The next time anyone accuses Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd or Nicholas Kristof, among others, of having a moral bone in their bodies will be the first time.

[quote=Rabalo]oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...

While he's undoubtedly and unabashedly partisan, I think he's fairly truthful. His book was extremely well documented and source (that was kind of the point, after all). As far as pundits go, I like him as he's fairly truthful but also entertaining and inflammatory.

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

hes going to call it the O'Franken Factor LOL

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

Gee, thanks... what did you change, anyways?

I thought I had changed it to account for the quotes, but even I messed them up. Obladi-oblada...even when I help humanity, something gets in my way.

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

Franken's a pretty quick guy. Besides, if he borrows some of O'Reilly's screeners, he'll be just fine. I also don't think you give liberal arguments much credit, nor do I think I"ve ever seen you argue a point (other than posting countless editorials).

Maybe if he gets O'Reilly's screeners...not sure about that, since I don't listen to O'Reilly very often at all.

As for giving liberal arguments "much" credit, I actually give them the credit that said arguments have demonstrated that they have. When I see the results of the War on Poverty, the Welfare state, the state of education, and political correctness run amok, I get all the confirmation I need of the failures of liberalism.

Like I always say, government has only 2 roles I give it credit for:
- Law enforcement
- National Security
everything else can be done better by the free market.

its only a free market for the rich--republicans wont allow seniors who want affordable drugs from Canada to have a free market because true competition interfears with their corporate communism

[quote=Rabalo]oh here they go again with the vast right wing consperiacy..... ide better get the ear plugs.

Unplug your ears...the truth only hurts a little at first

Not a whole lotta truth from Al Franken...

While he's undoubtedly and unabashedly partisan, I think he's fairly truthful. His book was extremely well documented and source (that was kind of the point, after all). As far as pundits go, I like him as he's fairly truthful but also entertaining and inflammatory.

1st of all, I cleaned out your typing a little, to make it more followable.

2nd, Al Franken and Co have a tough job ahead of themselves, trying to sell people on the Liberal talking points. Personally, I think the Franken show, for one, will more than likely be a 3-hour long Stuart Smalley sketch. And that will be, if he doesn't take any phone calls, or has a very aggressive call screener. Otherwise, Franken's arguments will be shredded to pieces on an hourly basis.

hes going to call it the O'Franken Factor LOL

That, of course should be no surprise, seeing how there is no original thought among liberals.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

evidence contradicts this--Donahues show on MSNBC was cancelled immeadiately after he began publicly criticizing the war in Iraq--Howard Stern was censored after he started criticizing Bush

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

evidence contradicts this--Donahues show on MSNBC was cancelled immeadiately after he began publicly criticizing the war in Iraq

And of course, his horrible ratings (right around the same level as the infomercials at 3am) had "NOTHING" to do with that, right RedArrow?

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

all those stations you list are centrist pablum and arent representative of the opinions of the morally correct

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

all those stations you list are centrist pablum and arent representative of the opinions of the morally correct

That is actually partly correct. None of those stations can call itself "centrist" and say it with a straight face. However, you are correct about the morally correct, because they watch FoxNews.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

evidence contradicts this--Donahues show on MSNBC was cancelled immeadiately after he began publicly criticizing the war in Iraq

And of course, his horrible ratings (right around the same level as the infomercials at 3am) had "NOTHING" to do with that, right RedArrow?

no because hate media actually cultivates rightwing corporate whores despite their ratings and keeps them on until they get a solid foothold and following cause they want them to succeed--the voices of the pro-people left are tugged the second they make one statement against the corrupt system

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

evidence contradicts this--Donahues show on MSNBC was cancelled immeadiately after he began publicly criticizing the war in Iraq

And of course, his horrible ratings (right around the same level as the infomercials at 3am) had "NOTHING" to do with that, right RedArrow?

no because hate media actually cultivates rightwing corporate whores despite their ratings and keeps them on until they get a solid foothold and following cause they want them to succeed--the voices of the pro-people left are tugged the second they make one statement against the corrupt system

Truly, RedArrow, you need to stop hitting that bong and drinking the Kool-Aid...when your eyes finally open (I presume you're a high schooler,) you will see things a lot clearer.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

all those stations you list are centrist pablum and arent representative of the opinions of the morally correct

That is actually partly correct. None of those stations can call itself "centrist" and say it with a straight face. However, you are correct about the morally correct, because they watch FoxNews.

Al Franken said that when rightwingers created this extremist station they had an active purge of anyone whose opinions were slightly to the left of Attila the Hun

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

all those stations you list are centrist pablum and arent representative of the opinions of the morally correct

That is actually partly correct. None of those stations can call itself "centrist" and say it with a straight face. However, you are correct about the morally correct, because they watch FoxNews.

Al Franken said that when rightwingers created this extremist station they had an active purge of anyone whose opinions were slightly to the left of Attila the Hun

And, we all know how credible Al Franken is. He's worse than Michael Moore, and that guy has reached a new low in credibility.

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

evidence contradicts this--Donahues show on MSNBC was cancelled immeadiately after he began publicly criticizing the war in Iraq

And of course, his horrible ratings (right around the same level as the infomercials at 3am) had "NOTHING" to do with that, right RedArrow?

no because hate media actually cultivates rightwing corporate whores despite their ratings and keeps them on until they get a solid foothold and following cause they want them to succeed--the voices of the pro-people left are tugged the second they make one statement against the corrupt system

Truly, RedArrow, you need to stop hitting that bong and drinking the Kool-Aid...when your eyes finally open (I presume you're a high schooler,) you will see things a lot clearer.

you should try it tho its an excellent combination--but also make sure you have something salty to go with it :P

'Nuff said. When you grow up, have a job, and have to pay taxes, then come talk to me.

Everyones relling me how right wing biased the American media is (especially fox news) but ive been watching Fox news and it doesn't seem bad at all. Is it just a myth?

Indeed it is, I've yet to see a properly conducted study which says that the media has any slant at all. But, certain radio personalities know that if you speak a lie often enough, it becomes truth.

Booorrrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnggggggg
Man, that would be theeee lamest radio show.

Maybe so...but think about the comedic potential offered by the sight and sound of Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo et al, taking their first call and being tripped by something as simple as the proof of liberalism's failure.

"Liberalism's failure?" Oh, obviously, since it's well known that mankind still lives in the dark ages. No, liberal ideas have never gotten us anywhere... :roll:

The is the bottom line..if their had been a market for radio stations with a liberal slant, the market would have dictated long ago that there'd be a flood of liberal stations.....as it is not one has made a successful go at it, it's not like they don't have a flood of democratic money to propel them forward...it's just that there hadn't been enough of a listening audience to persuade anyone to open it up.

thats not the bottom line---rightwing hate media was a deliberate conspiracy and rightwing liars as hosts have been cultivated by our conservative media to succeed for a reason--to advance the agenda of corporate propaganda and control--liberals are a thorn in their side and are about to become a bigger one

Noooo..that is the bottom line...my reasoning is based on sound economic principles..yours is based on some mythical bogeman without a shred of concrete evidence...and I reiterate..if the marketing audience craved a liberal slant in radio...there'd be a slew of liberal radio stations...as there aren't I can only conclude that the marketing audicence has spoken as far as their tastes goes.

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.

Again, nothing but the left-wing media conspiracy rhetoric. It's ironic how people such as this paint left-wingers as the nuts, but Limbaugh and Co. have based programs around complaining about this perceived bias. Of course, this must be true and is nothing but sage commentary when it comes from the right. A rose by any other name...

That, of course should be no surprise, seeing how there is no original thought among liberals.

:shock:
How does that dribbling of partisan vomit make any sense?

Liberalism = implementation of new things, instigating change
Conservativism = preservation of old things, inhibiting change

Wow, what a battle this has been between the "cut 'n paste" posters. As far as political debate goes, this was like eunuchs trying to engage in a circle jerk. Neither has the equipment to bring anything of substance to the table. :lol:

Actually, though we agree, I think there is a market for liberal pablum. So far, it's been cornered by PBS/NPR/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC. That's yet one more reason I think the liberal network will fail...it's entering a market already saturated.
If you really consider the major networks, and especially MSNBC and CNBC to be slanted to the liberal viewpoint, then you've got a seriously screwed up idea of what it means to be liberal and conservative.

You might have a bit of an argument on PBS and NPR, although there was that famous study done during Gulf War 2 that showed that viewers of Fox and CBS were the most likely to have at least one misconception about the run up to the war in Iraq, while NPR and PBS listeners and viewers were the least likely to have any misconceptions.

You might have a bit of an argument on PBS and NPR, although there was that famous study done during Gulf War 2 that showed that viewers of Fox and CBS were the most likely to have at least one misconception about the run up to the war in Iraq, while NPR and PBS listeners and viewers were the least likely to have any misconceptions.

Alright, so I'm talking to a friend right now and this information has spawned an interesting theory-you see, conservatives cry bias at every turn, everything is biased against them somehow, just ask.

But the reason might not be they have a persecution complex, it might just be that their viewpoint is full of crap, doesn't work and produces bad news all the time, which makes things seem biased because the news is always bad. But it's not bias, it just doesn't work.





oh man am I gonna get a lot of crap for this.....
I am kidding....
kinda.....

You might have a bit of an argument on PBS and NPR, although there was that famous study done during Gulf War 2 that showed that viewers of Fox and CBS were the most likely to have at least one misconception about the run up to the war in Iraq, while NPR and PBS listeners and viewers were the least likely to have any misconceptions.

Alright, so I'm talking to a friend right now and this information has spawned an interesting theory-you see, conservatives cry bias at every turn, everything is biased against them somehow, just ask.

But the reason might not be they have a persecution complex, it might just be that their viewpoint is full of crap, doesn't work and produces bad news all the time, which makes things seem biased because the news is always bad. But it's not bias, it just doesn't work.





oh man am I gonna get a lot of crap for this.....
I am kidding....
kinda.....

O'Really has a persecution complex and herpes of the face (I seen a blown up pic of it on the cover of Frankens Book)

Alright, so I'm talking to a friend right now and this information has spawned an interesting theory-you see, conservatives cry bias at every turn, everything is biased against them somehow, just ask.

But the reason might not be they have a persecution complex, it might just be that their viewpoint is full of crap, doesn't work and produces bad news all the time, which makes things seem biased because the news is always bad. But it's not bias, it just doesn't work.





oh man am I gonna get a lot of crap for this.....
I am kidding....
kinda.....Eric Alterman calls it "working the refs" and he admits that he stole the phrasing from none other than Pat Buchanan. Buchanan noted that the right started complaining about the liberal media back when they might have actually had a bias--in the 70s. But the media got so self-conscious that they started bending over backwards to show that they weren't biased, so much so that they won't even fact check sometimes.

Eric Alterman calls it "working the refs" and he admits that he stole the phrasing from none other than Pat Buchanan. Buchanan noted that the right started complaining about the liberal media back when they might have actually had a bias--in the 70s. But the media got so self-conscious that they started bending over backwards to show that they weren't biased, so much so that they won't even fact check sometimes.
I think I read an essay by that guy (I have a crap memory for names...it's a theme...) I read a pretty good one on news filters.

Fortunetly in sports, people will eventually turn their backs on a team that whines too much.

The latest media theory I've been reading regards the concept of flow. It's like learning the active ingredient in crack...

I think I read an essay by that guy (I have a crap memory for names...it's a theme...) I read a pretty good one on news filters.

Fortunetly in sports, people will eventually turn their backs on a team that whines too much.

The latest media theory I've been reading regards the concept of flow. It's like learning the active ingredient in crack...He's about as good as they get on media criticism these days. You ought to see him go to town on Howie Kurtz of the Washington Post and CNN for conflicts of interest, and don't even get him started on Ann Coulter.

Well, I'll be damned! :P

As to the original subject of this thread, I'm hoping that it will be available for online streaming since I don't live in the broadcast range of any of the stations.

He's about as good as they get on media criticism these days. You ought to see him go to town on Howie Kurtz of the Washington Post and CNN for conflicts of interest, and don't even get him started on Ann Coulter.
At this point, as long as it's not Laura Mulvy(sp) I'll read it (nothing against her, I've just had to read her essay like a million times in the last year and a half-even she's sick of it and won't let it be anthologized anymore...)

I did call something (since I'm wandering off topic already)-Since bush became president, comedy got funnier and punk started to get it's teeth back. Some art forms require things to suck in order to be any good...

I did call something (since I'm wandering off topic already)-Since bush became president, comedy got funnier and punk started to get it's teeth back. Some art forms require things to suck in order to be any good...Something I've noticed about the late night shows is that Letterman definitely likes the Democrats and Leno is on his knees for the Republicans--and Jon Stewart's the best of them all. Did you see the clip I linked to on my blog? Freaking hysterical.

oh thats just rich.. attack the conserveative while hes sleeping. typical high school left wing mentality.

oh thats just rich.. attack the conserveative while hes sleeping. typical high school left wing mentality.

You eventually get used to the way these lefties do business. No biggie.

*Sings*

United forever in friendship and labor,
Our mighty Republic will ever endure,
The great Soviet Union lives through the ages,
The dream of a people, their fortress secured...

Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand,
Long live her people, united and free,
Strong in a friendship tried by fire,
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

Today's dark and stormy, while great Lenin led us,
Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom of all,
And starting in freedom with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build the land that we love...

Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand,
Long live her people, united and free,
Strong in a friendship tried by fire,
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

We fought for the future, destroyed the invader,
We brought to our homeland the laurels of fame,
Our glory will live in the memory of nations,
And all generations will honor her name...

Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand,
Long live her people, united and free,
Strong in a friendship tried by fire,
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA YOU DAMN COMMUNIST! one thing that sickens me about you is you all think the same... cept for the ones out to make a buck by selling off your past..

GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA YOU DAMN COMMUNIST! one thing that sickens me about you is you all think the same... cept for the ones out to make a buck by selling off your past..

I dont know where that commie came from but that song appears like its stick in his head

woah wait a tic here.. red arrow you are a liberal.. communiists and facists are liberals so therefore i have the right to call you and your party communist! is joesepth McCarthy still alive? if he is lets get the McCarthy hearings back up again.. investagative counsil of unamerican activites i belive they were called... we can start by putting kerry at the top of the list. then ted kennedy, just cant trust a kenedy! bill clinton.. al gore ahh hell the entire democratic party. witch hunt you say? something would turn up i guarentee it.

GO GOP!


KERRY FONDA 04 puting the RED in red white and blue

So, how were the shows today?

So, how were the shows today?

Its not today yet--it starts on WEDNESDAY

So, how were the shows today?

So, how were the shows today?

awesome--I found out that Bush was using school kids as human sheilds on 911

So, how were the shows today?

awesome--I found out that Bush was using school kids as human sheilds on 911

....rrrrright...

I hate Bush but even I won't go that far about him.

So, how were the shows today?

awesome--I found out that Bush was using school kids as human sheilds on 911

....rrrrright...

I hate Bush but even I won't go that far about him.


Air America does--listen and learn

Air America does--listen and learn

I guess what I waas trying to say is that ... they're lying, or at least exaggerating. Just as much as Faux "News".

. remember a vote for bush is a vote for freedom.

BUSH CHENEY 04

Like the patriot act, the bodies not being allowed to be shown on TV, or the 6,000 injured americans?

Red Arrow is hilarious. I think he actually BELIEVES all that balderdash he's posting.

Anyways, I listened today... here are a few items of amusement

-Lots of "penis-gun" references...
-An advertisement referring to their morning show as 'Air America Morning Sedition'. And these are the same people who call themselves the 'Loyal Opposition'. Hmm...
-Plenty of fact distortion about 9/11, including the '2nd graders human shield' thing
-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.
-I was amused by a massive theory linking Boeing, offshore oil rig companies, any media conglomerate, all as a massive conspiracy to keep her off the air.

Yawn. This station = the suck.

Axis Nova

-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.


Axis Nova

Yeh, whining about FLA 2K vote theft is wrong.
WE SHOULD BE SCREAMING!!!

I hope these guys get an internet station going.

I thought that Pacifica Radio which is actually on FM was the first leftist radio station.

Please, not the Flordia 2000 propoganda again. :roll:

meh...

Withdrawing comments......

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

Thank you for an intelligent response. I wish all republicans would articulate as clearly as you.

I don't think that liberal radio will have much of a chance against conservative radio. For one, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and especially Rush Limbaugh, have tons of money, and each control small media empires. For another, even Rush Limbaugh says he's successful because conservatives have spent years learning how to defend himself. Liberals, as he points out and I agree, have never really needed to defend themselves until now. They need a few more years before any liberal radio can be sucessful. Besides, libs control the newspapers, conservatives control radio, and us two split TV. Can't we be happy with that arrangement?

Thank you for an intelligent response. I wish all republicans would articulate as clearly as you.

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

No "If" about it. Everything I have seen on the news indicates that Franken's show will be a daily 3-hour "Stuart Smalley talks politics" sketch, and let's face it, Stuart Smalley sketches got boring after 2 minutes. A shame, cause the Left will of course claim the "network" never got a chance.

-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.


Axis Nova

Yeh, whining about FLA 2K vote theft is wrong.
WE SHOULD BE SCREAMING!!!

I hope these guys get an internet station going.

I hope they do too--youd love it

I thought that Pacifica Radio which is actually on FM was the first leftist radio station.

they are good too cause they got Democracy Now and their news rocks too--but air america is better cause its more political---pacifica sometimes goes off on meanigless tangints but Air America stays focused on the battle

-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.


Axis Nova

Yeh, whining about FLA 2K vote theft is wrong.
WE SHOULD BE SCREAMING!!!

I hope these guys get an internet station going.

I hope they do too--youd love it

Just remember, they have to have some actual programming. According to Mallberta (your due props again), there doesn't seem to be much there.

Just remember, they have to have some actual programming. According to Mallberta (your due props again), there doesn't seem to be much there.

True, but I only listened for an hour or so, and I don't listen to talk radio generally (other than the CBC which is non-partisan Canadian programming, so obviously very different) so I don't have much to compare it to.

-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.


Axis Nova

Yeh, whining about FLA 2K vote theft is wrong.
WE SHOULD BE SCREAMING!!!

I hope these guys get an internet station going.

I hope they do too--youd love it

Just remember, they have to have some actual programming. According to Mallberta (your due props again), there doesn't seem to be much there.

Mallberta didnt listen long enuf--also the canadien media is radically different then it is in america where people have short attention spans

-Some Brooklynite chick whining about how she was in Florida during the 2k elections. She also keeps listing all the stations that this stuff is on. Repeatedly.


Axis Nova

Yeh, whining about FLA 2K vote theft is wrong.
WE SHOULD BE SCREAMING!!!

I hope these guys get an internet station going.

I hope they do too--youd love it

Just remember, they have to have some actual programming. According to Mallberta (your due props again), there doesn't seem to be much there.

Mallberta didnt listen long enuf

True, but I only listened for an hour or so, and I don't listen to talk radio generally (other than the CBC which is non-partisan Canadian programming, so obviously very different) so I don't have much to compare it to.

Seems to me like Mallberta listened long enough...I don't think too many rational people could stomach it longer than that. :wink:

Wasn't Air America a CIA run airline during Vietnam that lent support to CIA forces who were in Laos (though it was denied all along they were there)?

Curious name for a liberal radio station.

Wasn't Air America a CIA run airline during Vietnam that lent support to CIA forces who were in Laos (though it was denied all along they were there)?

Curious name for a liberal radio station.

it was kinda shocking when I heard an ad for the US Army on it too

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

No "If" about it. Everything I have seen on the news indicates that Franken's show will be a daily 3-hour "Stuart Smalley talks politics" sketch, and let's face it, Stuart Smalley sketches got boring after 2 minutes. A shame, cause the Left will of course claim the "network" never got a chance.

na, I liked Stuart Smalley.

Incidentally, the movie that was made out of Stuart Smalley (Stuart Saves his Family) is one of the better SNL spinoffs. It's honestly a fairly good movie on it's own right. Anyways, I'm sure his show will be OK, it's the rest of the programming I dubious of. Thankfully, we liberals still DO have the funniest, fairest political commentary show at the moment- the Daily Show is far and away the most hilarious (and actually fairly non-partisan, in that they really do go after everyone) show on TV right now, IMO.

Wasn't Air America a CIA run airline during Vietnam that lent support to CIA forces who were in Laos (though it was denied all along they were there)?

Curious name for a liberal radio station.

Sure enough:
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/winter99-00/art7.html
"Air America, an airline secretly owned by the CIA, was a vital component in the Agency's operations in Laos. By the summer of 1970, the airline had some two dozen twin-engine transports, another two dozen short-takeoff-and-landing (STOL) aircraft, and some 30 helicopters dedicated to operations in Laos."

They were accused of running drugs while there (especially in the movie "Air America"), but that charge has been vigorously denied.

Wasn't Air America a CIA run airline during Vietnam that lent support to CIA forces who were in Laos (though it was denied all along they were there)?

Curious name for a liberal radio station.

Sure enough:
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/winter99-00/art7.html
"Air America, an airline secretly owned by the CIA, was a vital component in the Agency's operations in Laos. By the summer of 1970, the airline had some two dozen twin-engine transports, another two dozen short-takeoff-and-landing (STOL) aircraft, and some 30 helicopters dedicated to operations in Laos."

They were accused of running drugs while there (especially in the movie "Air America"), but that charge has been vigorously denied.

the CIA was even smuggling drugs way back then too?

na, I liked Stuart Smalley.

I never said I didn't like Stuart...just that it tended to get old fast.

Incidentally, the movie that was made out of Stuart Smalley (Stuart Saves his Family) is one of the better SNL spinoffs. It's honestly a fairly good movie on it's own right.

I don't know...I have had a soft spot for Wayne's World for a long time.

Anyways, I'm sure his show will be OK, it's the rest of the programming I dubious of. Thankfully, we liberals still DO have the funniest, fairest political commentary show at the moment- the Daily Show is far and away the most hilarious (and actually fairly non-partisan, in that they really do go after everyone) show on TV right now, IMO.

I am not too sure about that whole part. The Daily Show is as close to centrist as it gets...don't get me wrong, it is liberal, but certainly not in the traditions of CNN/PBS/NBC/ABC/CBS. John Stewart is a great comedian, and he does carry that show...kinda the same way Craig Kilborn used to (yes, I have watched the show since it started.)

the CIA was even smuggling drugs way back then too?

Key word i used was "accused." I hope your never on a jury.

the CIA was even smuggling drugs way back then too?

Key word i used was "accused." I hope your never on a jury.

Red Arrow would get eliminated early on.

I don't know...I have had a soft spot for Wayne's World for a long time.

And who doesn't? Stuart Smalley Save's his Family is more of a movie, and less of an extended schtick. There's some character developement and all that.


I am not too sure about that whole part. The Daily Show is as close to centrist as it gets...don't get me wrong, it is liberal, but certainly not in the traditions of CNN/PBS/NBC/ABC/CBS.

I don't know what people mean by this. I generally watch CBC (newsworld) and the BBC which are pretty non-partisan, the CBC more than the BBC and I don't really think CNN, NBC, ABC or CBS is biased in any real sense. PBS might be, but that's kind of to be expected. What is it you don't like about those stations?
Fox on the other hand seems really, really trashy (if not always biased) to me... kind of exploitive or something.

meh... I listened for an hour and a half today, some girl who kept spouting off about how 'she was liberal before being liberal was cool'. Intensely boring stuff, no direction or debate. However, I should mention the only talk radio I've ever listened to is the CBC which is not like American talk radio (I assume) so I don't have much to reference to. If Franken's no better than this girl was, it's going to bomb. Big time.

No "If" about it. Everything I have seen on the news indicates that Franken's show will be a daily 3-hour "Stuart Smalley talks politics" sketch, and let's face it, Stuart Smalley sketches got boring after 2 minutes. A shame, cause the Left will of course claim the "network" never got a chance.Don't believe the reporting on the network--listen to it and make your own call. I listened to about an hour of the O'Franken Factor this morning before I headed to school, and it was solid radio. Franken's got a good co-host who has experience in the business, and she keeps the show on track. They've got a good set of guests lined up for the first week or two, and they'll have a good grace period to grow an audience. Their afternoon talk person, Randi Rhodes, is a proven commodity from south Florida, and I'll be interested to listen to Janeane Garofalo and Chuck D when I get the chance.

Don't believe the reporting on the network--listen to it and make your own call. I listened to about an hour of the O'Franken Factor this morning before I headed to school, and it was solid radio. Franken's got a good co-host who has experience in the business, and she keeps the show on track. They've got a good set of guests lined up for the first week or two, and they'll have a good grace period to grow an audience. Their afternoon talk person, Randi Rhodes, is a proven commodity from south Florida, and I'll be interested to listen to Janeane Garofalo and Chuck D when I get the chance.

Randi Rhodes was the one I was listening to and she was brutal, quite frankly. Also, I don't listen to talk radio but are there always so many commericals? It seemed like every 5 minutes they'd break.

Randi Rhodes was the one I was listening to and she was brutal, quite frankly. Also, I don't listen to talk radio but are there always so many commericals? It seemed like every 5 minutes they'd break.The average is about 3-4 minutes of commercials every 10-15 minutes. It would seem the Liberal radio show is more in the pocket of business than the Conservatives are.

Randi Rhodes was the one I was listening to and she was brutal, quite frankly. Also, I don't listen to talk radio but are there always so many commericals? It seemed like every 5 minutes they'd break.I haven't heard her on Air America yet, but I did hear her a few times when I was down in South Florida, and she's tough. She was blasting O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and the rest of the "conservatives" on radio right out of the water.

As far as the commercials are concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more commercials on her show than on others because she's a known commodity. Franken is getting all the hype, but he's still an unknown when it comes to drawing an audience, as are most of the others.

They'll have some rough moments at first, but this thing has gotten too much hype and has too much money behind it to vanish quickly, and my guess is that the big names will be there to get it rolling and expand the number of stations it's carried on, and then they'll grow some of their own talent to take over. After all, Limbaugh didn't start out as a star--he built his audience, and that's what this network will have to do as well. I tihnk it will succeed mainly because there is a hunger for it right now. Despite what deluded people like Panhandlia claim, there isn't a liberal media right now--there's corporate whore media and right wing corporate whore media, and there's Pacifica (which is psycho liberal and very very small). And now there's corporate liberal and we'll see how it goes.

What I'm more scared will happen isn't that it will fail--it's that it will succeed and be co-opted by the rest of the corporate media world.

ok Franken's on now and it's quite a bit better...

heh now Ben Stein is on and it's pretty funny... I didn't know Stein used to right speeches for Nixon.

According to a number of blogs, Randi Rhodes tore Ralph Nader a new asshole on her show today, to the point where he got frustrated and hung up. Good job Randi!

According to a number of blogs, Randi Rhodes tore Ralph Nader a new asshole on her show today, to the point where he got frustrated and hung up. Good job Randi!

Man, that's exactly why I didn't want to hear. TO bad she can't take the high ground. I also don't understand why Nader shouldn't run, even if he does 'steal the electin'- it's a freaking democracy people. Geez.

Anyways, if anyone's interested you can stream it on realplayer

http://www.airamericaradio.com/

According to a number of blogs, Randi Rhodes tore Ralph Nader a new asshole on her show today, to the point where he got frustrated and hung up. Good job Randi!

Man, that's exactly why I didn't want to hear. TO bad she can't take the high ground. I also don't understand why Nader shouldn't run, even if he does 'steal the electin'- it's a freaking democracy people. Geez.

Anyways, if anyone's interested you can stream it on realplayer

http://www.airamericaradio.com/From what I understand, she didn't question his right to run, just the wisdom of that decision, considering how close this race is likely to be. Nader may still believe that there's only a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, but that dime is significant, and it's a dime we can't afford, not this time around.

And make no mistake--Nader is doing this to stroke his own ego. If you go down the list of issues that Nader claims are important and compare them to the positions Kerry has taken, you don't see an awful lot of difference, and Kerry can get elected. Nader can't.

From what I understand, she didn't question his right to run, just the wisdom of that decision, considering how close this race is likely to be. Nader may still believe that there's only a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, but that dime is significant, and it's a dime we can't afford, not this time around.

And make no mistake--Nader is doing this to stroke his own ego. If you go down the list of issues that Nader claims are important and compare them to the positions Kerry has taken, you don't see an awful lot of difference, and Kerry can get elected. Nader can't.

My assumption is he chose to run largely to gain publicity in order to bring issues Kerry is not willing to discuss to the public. IF he didn't run, NO ONE would be talking about these issues; his running gives him some limelight to examine these neglected issues.

woah wait a tic here.. red arrow you are a liberal.. communiists and facists are liberals so therefore i have the right to call you and your party communist!

Let's back up.

First, being a liberal does not necessarily mean you affiliate with the Democratic party.

Second, perhaps you'd care to explain how fascism counts under the general rubric of "liberal".

Third- what difference does it make what you call anything? I doubt most people here care. You can call the Democratic Party a fish sandwich if you want.

First, being a liberal does not necessarily mean you affiliate with the Democratic party.


In fact, some of us would argue that being a liberal means one wouldn't associate with any of the statist-left parties, period. :D


Second, perhaps you'd care to explain how fascism counts under the general rubric of "liberal".


Do the same for Communism (assumed here to be the traditional State-Socialist variety) too.

From what I understand, she didn't question his right to run, just the wisdom of that decision, considering how close this race is likely to be. Nader may still believe that there's only a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, but that dime is significant, and it's a dime we can't afford, not this time around.

And make no mistake--Nader is doing this to stroke his own ego. If you go down the list of issues that Nader claims are important and compare them to the positions Kerry has taken, you don't see an awful lot of difference, and Kerry can get elected. Nader can't.

My assumption is he chose to run largely to gain publicity in order to bring issues Kerry is not willing to discuss to the public. IF he didn't run, NO ONE would be talking about these issues; his running gives him some limelight to examine these neglected issues.That's my point, though. Nader isn't talking about anything that the Democrats aren't already discussing. Environment? Check. Corporate influence? Check. Media consolidation? Check. You name it--if Nader's talking about it, so are the Democrats. Maybe not to the degree that Nader wants, or maybe not with the solutions Nader is insisting on, but the issues are being discussed, and Nader's continued insistence that there's little if any difference between the two major parties is not only damaging, it's false.

woah wait a tic here.. red arrow you are a liberal.. communiists and facists are liberals so therefore i have the right to call you and your party communist!

Let's back up.

First, being a liberal does not necessarily mean you affiliate with the Democratic party.

Second, perhaps you'd care to explain how fascism counts under the general rubric of "liberal".

Third- what difference does it make what you call anything? I doubt most people here care. You can call the Democratic Party a fish sandwich if you want.

its just typical rightwing mindless namecalling--its all they know how to do after they get their heads handed to them in a debate lol

woah wait a tic here.. red arrow you are a liberal.. communiists and facists are liberals so therefore i have the right to call you and your party communist!

Let's back up.

First, being a liberal does not necessarily mean you affiliate with the Democratic party.

Second, perhaps you'd care to explain how fascism counts under the general rubric of "liberal".

Third- what difference does it make what you call anything? I doubt most people here care. You can call the Democratic Party a fish sandwich if you want.

its just typical rightwing mindless namecalling--its all they know how to do after they get their heads handed to them in a debate lol

Please... don't help. :roll: