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Chapter 71: Arrow in stomache

1. Cover the victim with a warm blanket
2. Feed him a mixture of oatsoap, onions and herbs. If the victim doesn't want to eat, force him to eat.
3. Wait untill digested
4. Take a sniff by the open wound. If it reeks from onions and herbs, the intensine is hurt. Then the man is soon dead. (If not, wait.)
5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.
But he's not get into Valhalla, dying from a battle wound after the battle... now if its during a battle thats a different story, however if its after the battle you have to make the warrior take up the sword and make him fight you. Then kill him to make sure he dies in battle.

Your father died of old age!!

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

LOL!

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.
But he's not get into Valhalla, dying from a battle wound after the battle... now if its during a battle thats a different story, however if its after the battle you have to make the warrior take up the sword and make him fight you. Then kill him to make sure he dies in battle.

I'm not sure. Dying in battle as you say, earns you a ticket to Valhalla. Dying a bit later on due to battle wounds... Where do you draw the line? The exact minute the battle is over? Where is the difference dying from an arrow whether the battle still goes on or not? Perhaps that's where the prayer might do some good...

Your father died of old age!!

You take that back!!! He died in battle!!! :evil:

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

It's funny, when I saw the title of this thread i felt sure it would involve alcohol.

Odd. :?

I would hate to be the patient in all of this! I think I'd die of shock!! :o

Got any more viking first aid tips? Arm crushed by longship mast for example? I like to feel like I'm learning something...

Chapter 71: Arrow in stomache
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Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Hey, I have that book!! :D

I loved the horrible histories when I was younger.

Chapter 71: Arrow in stomache
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Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Yep! I bought it in German. :D Some parts of the book are just so funny! I wanted to see if anyone else had read it.

Got any more viking first aid tips? Arm crushed by longship mast for example? I like to feel like I'm learning something...

if that happens then you need to cut your arm off with a penknife... err, a dirk! no really this happened to someone a couple of years ago when a boulder fell on his arm and he cut it off...

Got any more viking first aid tips? Arm crushed by longship mast for example? I like to feel like I'm learning something...

Probaly treated as a flesh wound. :P

Hey, I have that book!! :D

I loved the horrible histories when I was younger.

So did I! And the cool thing is they're still being produced - I was walking past Waterstons(spl?) the other day, and there were 4-5 titles I didn't recognise at all.

Anyhoo, that Viking first aid is in there somewhere.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

I may be wrong but wasn't Hel the daughter of Loki and Angrboda and the goddess of death and the underworld? I'm not sure but I think the norse had a different name for their version of Hell.

Oooh, I found the source!

An example of battlefield medicine is described in chapter 233 of Óláfs saga Helga. Þormóðr was wounded by an arrow in his side. He broke off the shaft and supported his companions as best he could. As the battle had been lost, he left the field and entered the building where the healer women were tending the wounded. One of the women inspected the wound and could see the iron arrow head, but could not determine its path to determine what internal organs it had struck. She gave Þormóðr a hot broth, containing leeks and onions and other herbs. If, after eating it, she could smell the broth from his wound, she would know that vital parts had been injured, and that the wound was fatal.

Þormóðr refused the broth. Instead, he directed the woman to cut into the wound to expose the iron arrow head. He grabbed hold of the arrow head with pincers and pulled it out. Seeing fatty fibers on the arrow head, Þormóðr said, "See how well the king keeps his men. There is fat by my heart," and he died.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

I may be wrong but wasn't Hel the daughter of Loki and Angrboda and the goddess of death and the underworld? I'm not sure but I think the norse had a different name for their version of Hell.

No, you're quite right. Hel was the daughter of Loki and she ruled the underworld (named after her). :)

Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Hey, I have that book!! :D

I loved the horrible histories when I was younger.

Me to. I've still got some actually (the shame :oops: ). I've debating with myself whether or not to use them in my uni essays. (I've already used Charlie Chaplin and Billy Bragg and I wasn't marked down, but I don't want to push my luck).

Oooh, I found the source!

An example of battlefield medicine is described in chapter 233 of Óláfs saga Helga. Þormóðr was wounded by an arrow in his side. He broke off the shaft and supported his companions as best he could. As the battle had been lost, he left the field and entered the building where the healer women were tending the wounded. One of the women inspected the wound and could see the iron arrow head, but could not determine its path to determine what internal organs it had struck. She gave Þormóðr a hot broth, containing leeks and onions and other herbs. If, after eating it, she could smell the broth from his wound, she would know that vital parts had been injured, and that the wound was fatal.

Þormóðr refused the broth. Instead, he directed the woman to cut into the wound to expose the iron arrow head. He grabbed hold of the arrow head with pincers and pulled it out. Seeing fatty fibers on the arrow head, Þormóðr said, "See how well the king keeps his men. There is fat by my heart," and he died.


Sounds like the Hemmskringla and if so, rock on. Glad sombody else has that beast in their book shelf.

Oooh, I found the source!

An example of battlefield medicine is described in chapter 233 of Óláfs saga Helga. Þormóðr was wounded by an arrow in his side. He broke off the shaft and supported his companions as best he could. As the battle had been lost, he left the field and entered the building where the healer women were tending the wounded. One of the women inspected the wound and could see the iron arrow head, but could not determine its path to determine what internal organs it had struck. She gave Þormóðr a hot broth, containing leeks and onions and other herbs. If, after eating it, she could smell the broth from his wound, she would know that vital parts had been injured, and that the wound was fatal.

Þormóðr refused the broth. Instead, he directed the woman to cut into the wound to expose the iron arrow head. He grabbed hold of the arrow head with pincers and pulled it out. Seeing fatty fibers on the arrow head, Þormóðr said, "See how well the king keeps his men. There is fat by my heart," and he died.

:o Impressive! Both your google skills and Thormodur's(sp?) resolution. Those guys knew how to die...

Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Hey, I have that book!! :D

I loved the horrible histories when I was younger.
I have The Rotten Romans, but I've never seen any of the others. It seems like a great series, from that example....

Hey, did you get this out of Horrible History - The Viscious Vikings???

Hey, I have that book!! :D

I loved the horrible histories when I was younger.
I have The Rotten Romans, but I've never seen any of the others. It seems like a great series, from that example....

Judging from The Viscious Vikings I'd love to get my hands on The Rotten Romans! :lol:

I'd love to know what the other titles are!

The Terrible Teutons?
The Garroting Goths?

The Measley Middle Ages.

:o Impressive! Both your google skills and Thormodur's(sp?) resolution. Those guys knew how to die...

My googling hand is guided by the viking "kottur og stulka" t-shirt I chose to wear this morning :D

The Nefarious Normans?

:o Impressive! Both your google skills and Thormodur's(sp?) resolution. Those guys knew how to die...

My googling hand is guided by the viking "kottur og stulka" t-shirt I chose to wear this morning :D

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

I'd love to know what the other titles are!

The Vicious Vikings
The Measly Middle Ages
The Rotten Romans
The Groovy Greeks
The Terrible Tudors
The Slimy Stuarts
The Blitzed Brits
The Stormin' Normans
The Vile Victorians
The Frightful First World War
The Woeful Second World War
The Crazy Celts

Are the ones I have/know of. Thers more, including 'Specials' like 'Cruel Crimes and Painful Punishments'.

Got any more viking first aid tips? Arm crushed by longship mast for example? I like to feel like I'm learning something...

if that happens then you need to cut your arm off with a penknife... err, a dirk! no really this happened to someone a couple of years ago when a boulder fell on his arm and he cut it off...

And then you burn the bloody stump in order to stop the bleeding. It would help your incredibly large and painful wound to form a scab and then, hopefully, heal. :D Though i think it would be a good idea to find a hospital pretty quickly.

Heya Rajula. How's school?

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Sounds probable, but I can't confirm it. :lol:

And then you burn the bloody stump in order to stop the bleeding. It would help your incredibly large and painful wound to form a scab and then, hopefully, heal. :D Though i think it would be a good idea to find a hospital pretty quickly.

A Viking hopsital?

OOC: Yo BMW, havent spoken 2 u 4 a while.

IC: We are very interested in the elegance, simplicity and effectiveness of your treatment. May we send a group of doctors to BMV to study your superior methods of treatement?

OOC: Yo BMW, havent spoken 2 u 4 a while.

IC: We are very interested in the elegance, simplicity and effectiveness of your treatment. May we send a group of doctors to BMV to study your superior methods of treatement?

Hi there! How's it going? Sends as many as you wish, but don't forget to send onions as well!

School is cool (oder scheizer), i am immencely proud of myself though cos i have worked out that freaky tinkery tune on the guitar now as well as the piano! It sounds well good (that would be the running theme throughout the Exorcist and tune in British Blockbuster ads).

Oh Gaspode, i would seriously advise against going to a Viking hospital - if they even exist - as treatment would probably result in death.

They might pull out your doggie intestines or something to cure a stomach ache...

:shock:

:shock:

They don't call them Big and Mad for nothing, do they?

*runs*

Here's a question for you:

What do you call a Viking who fell of the boat and died from drowning?

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.Well if you had no access to medical attention and food was leaking from a person's wound you would pray to whatever deity was nearby to.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.Well if you had no access to medical attention and food was leaking from a person's wound you would pray to whatever deity was nearby to.

That WAS medical attention.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.Well if you had no access to medical attention and food was leaking from a person's wound you would pray to whatever deity was nearby to.

That WAS medical attention.What I mean is if you knew that you had no hope of saving the person, religion would be the only recourse available.

Ps. I'm aware of your attempt at humour. :wink:

Ps. I'm aware of your attempt at humour. :wink:

Attempt :oops: ? Damn, I thought for the first time in my life I had successfully made joke.

Writes [Will try harder]

Here's a question for you:

What do you call a Viking who fell of the boat and died from drowning?

A failure I'm guessing...

Our doctors have been dispatched. They are all bringing onions as you requested.

Here's a question for you:

What do you call a Viking who fell of the boat and died from drowning?

A failure I'm guessing...

Our doctors have been dispatched. They are all bringing onions as you requested.

Nope, "Poisoned" is the right answer. :wink:

Good good. First, lets make a tasty onion soup. Anyone got a recepy for a deilcious onion soup?

Madeira Onion Soup. It has alcohol in it so must be good.

Heat the butter and oil in a heavy bottomed pan and saute the onions for about 30 minutes, stirring occasionally, until limp and golden and lightly specked with brown.

Add the cloves, paprika, sultanas, stock and water. Cover and simmer for an hour. Uncover and simmer for a further 30 minutes. Taste and season with salt and pepper.

Mix a little of the hot soup into the beaten egg yolks and stir the mixture back into the soup.

Simmer gently for a few minutes before adding the madeira.

Serve with crusty bread.

Madeira Onion Soup. It has alcohol in it so must be good.

Heat the butter and oil in a heavy bottomed pan and saute the onions for about 30 minutes, stirring occasionally, until limp and golden and lightly specked with brown.

Add the cloves, paprika, sultanas, stock and water. Cover and simmer for an hour. Uncover and simmer for a further 30 minutes. Taste and season with salt and pepper.

Mix a little of the hot soup into the beaten egg yolks and stir the mixture back into the soup.

Simmer gently for a few minutes before adding the madeira.

Serve with crusty bread.

Mmmm... Crusty bread.

<cough> I mean Madeira. Yes, the Madeira is good. Alcohol, not crusty bread...

So did I! And the cool thing is they're still being produced - I was walking past Waterstons(spl?) the other day, and there were 4-5 titles I didn't recognise at all.

Anyhoo, that Viking first aid is in there somewhere.

Wicked! They are what made History fun and interesting, IMO.

So did I! And the cool thing is they're still being produced - I was walking past Waterstons(spl?) the other day, and there were 4-5 titles I didn't recognise at all.

Anyhoo, that Viking first aid is in there somewhere.

Wicked! They are what made History fun and interesting, IMO.

I reckon it is partially due to Terry Deary that I am doing it for a degree.

and your dissertation's gonna be on Vikings? :D

and your dissertation's gonna be on Vikings? :D

You never know.

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Hmmm, that gives me an idea to get a 'research grant'

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Hmmm, that gives me an idea to get a 'research grant'

For your experiment you'll need a Viking (BMV), a horn of beer (large), and a control (you) 8)

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Hmmm, that gives me an idea to get a 'research grant'

For your experiment you'll need a Viking (BMV), a horn of beer (large), and a control (you) 8)

That would be a Minor Field Studie? :lol:

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

I may be wrong but wasn't Hel the daughter of Loki and Angrboda and the goddess of death and the underworld? I'm not sure but I think the norse had a different name for their version of Hell.

No, you're quite right. Hel was the daughter of Loki and she ruled the underworld (named after her). :)
And the people that had been naughty in live, thieves, murderers, deserters etc...where thrown into the dragon pits and then the dragons could have their way with them.

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Hmmm, that gives me an idea to get a 'research grant'

For your experiment you'll need a Viking (BMV), a horn of beer (large), and a control (you) 8)

That would be a Minor Field Studie? :lol:

Fancy being a guinea pig BMV?

Vikings and their drinking habits. Yeah!

Hmmm, that gives me an idea to get a 'research grant'

For your experiment you'll need a Viking (BMV), a horn of beer (large), and a control (you) 8)

That would be a Minor Field Studie? :lol:

Fancy being a guinea pig BMV?

For that kind of experiment? Are you kidding? :D

I'd like to know what the Vikings drank.
Mead, vodka or similar grain alcohol, beer?

I'd like to know what the Vikings drank.
Mead, vodka or similar grain alcohol, beer?

Vodka wasn't invented back then. It took another ~500 years to invent. Mead is like a wine but made out of honey and it's rather sweet. It was the drink of the gods, which supposedly made you strong and a good poet etc. Just like beer today. :wink:

I don't know if they made beer but I think so. Wine had to be imported.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

I have a friend in Hel, Norway! I've even spotted it on the map! There is a passanger train from there to Paradise.

Honest.

No kidding.

:lol: That's nice though. Take the train from Hel to Paradise. There is a town here in Austria named Fu<king. I shit you not. They print t-shirts for tourists etc.

5. Pray to Odin, so that he lets the valiant warrior into Valhalla.

They weren't too optimistic then were they.

But then again, I suppose the had a different view on death.

Hehe, I guess you can say that. If you died of old age or in bed, you ended up in Hel (not Hell), which was the underworld. One of the differences between Hel and Hell is that it is cold in Hel. Valhalla is for the fallen warriors, and that is a completely different afterworld...

I may be wrong but wasn't Hel the daughter of Loki and Angrboda and the goddess of death and the underworld? I'm not sure but I think the norse had a different name for their version of Hell.

Hel is also the word for hell in ástatrú.

Loki's daughter is also named "Hel" (some people refer to her as "Leikn", but that's rare)

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Yes, it means "cat and girl" (köttur og stúlka)...

What an odd thing to put on a t-shirt...

:lol: That's nice though. Take the train from Hel to Paradise. There is a town here in Austria named Fu<king. I shit you not. They print t-shirts for tourists etc.

Apparently that town in Austria has a hard time keeping their "Welcome to (censored)" sign, and spends a large part of its annual budget replacing them.

:lol: That's nice though. Take the train from Hel to Paradise. There is a town here in Austria named Fu<king. I shit you not. They print t-shirts for tourists etc.

Some day I'll visit the town of Tittybong in Australia...

Isn't topic drift wonderful?
We start with questionable Viking medical practices,and end up with...
well, you can see what we end up with! :oops:

Isn't topic drift wonderful?
We start with questionable Viking medical practices,and end up with...
well, you can see what we end up with! :oops:

I will always cherish my airplane ticket stub after I've travelled to Fukyu, India.

:lol: That's nice though. Take the train from Hel to Paradise. There is a town here in Austria named Fu<king. I shit you not. They print t-shirts for tourists etc.

Apparently that town in Austria has a hard time keeping their "Welcome to (censored)" sign, and spends a large part of its annual budget replacing them.

It's like the warning signs for moose in Sweden then. But at some tourist shops you can buy smaller replicas. I'd like one of those Willkommen zu Fu<king shields at home. Maybe they sell replicas of those too... :D

I know a guy that makes mead here, we have it on certain holidays and festivals.... great stuff, definitely worthy of a good praise or two

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Yes, it means "cat and girl" (köttur og stúlka)...

What an odd thing to put on a t-shirt...

It's an anime thing...

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Yes, it means "cat and girl" (köttur og stúlka)...

What an odd thing to put on a t-shirt...

It's an anime thing...

You mean like flying schoolgirls being raped by huge robots?

It's an anime thing...

You mean like flying schoolgirls being raped by huge robots?

Is it? If it is what you'd call anime it certainly isn't in the "tits and tentacles" genre.

www.catandgirl.com

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Yes, it means "cat and girl" (köttur og stúlka)...

What an odd thing to put on a t-shirt...

It's an anime thing...

You mean like flying schoolgirls being raped by huge robots?

You are thinking of hentai a subgenre of anime, often about tentacleraped schoolgirls. The dialogues are limited to "NO! no! no!... .... gnnnnn... yes, YES! AAAH!"

Back on topic: isn't it fascinating that the vikings explored areas as far as North America and Asia? Some even say that Central American or South American natives knew of "tall pale bearded men", before Columbus arrived. I hope I didn't get this from a Erich von Daniken book. :D

What does that mean? "kottur og stulka" that is? I get the "og" part, but not 100% of the rest. If it isn't for children to know, drop me a tm! :lol:

Cat and girl in Icelandic I was led to believe.
Could be anything though really.
Where is Tumaania when you need him :?

Yes, it means "cat and girl" (köttur og stúlka)...

What an odd thing to put on a t-shirt...

It's an anime thing...

You mean like flying schoolgirls being raped by huge robots?

You are thinking of hentai a subgenre of anime, often about tentacleraped schoolgirls. The dialogues are limited to "NO! no! no!... .... gnnnnn... yes, YES! AAAH!"

Back on topic: isn't it fascinating that the vikings explored areas as far as North America and Asia? Some even say that Central American or South American natives knew of "tall pale bearded men", before Columbus arrived. I hope I didn't get this from a Erich von Daniken book. :D

Ah, ok...I was actually just going by a stereotype :D

They have found Viking ruins in America (and alot of faked runic stones).

thats true, New Vinland was one of the originally (known) settlements. Not only have they proven its existence through archaeological evidence, but also it speaks of it in several Sagas. I didn't know of any Central or South American natives prior to Columbus coming in contact with Norsemen, and if its true I wouldn't doubt it, very interesting. They say that Europeans came to the New World only with violent intentions for the natives, but I think of it as this.... the Vikings that most likely started the colony in New Vinland or other parts of North America, were expelled from the original Norse countries, which is why Greenland and Iceland were first made. So these people were peaceful , and set up a small trading and fishing colony on the North American shore. Most likely the reason they abandoned the settlement was because of Indian attacks, I dont see why they couldnt sustain it through supplies seeing Greenland is such a short distance away, and they were expert seaman. So I see Columbus and the southern Europeans coming to the new world and handing the Indians' asses to them , as a payback for what they did to the Norse. Consider it European retribution :)

Christopher Columbus : October 12th, 1492 a.d.

Lief Eriksson : October 9th, 1000 a.d.

Not only did these Europeans discover America, but there are signs of Celtic settlements on the Eastern Coast. In Salem, there is a 30-acre site with Megalithic structures, resembling the Megalithic Stone monuments in Western Europe, i.e. Stonehenge. On one of the rocks at the site, there is a Celtic (Indo-European) etching on the rock, of a Celtic sun symbol, dating from circa 2000 b.c. Other symbols have been found as well on rocks in this location, as well as ones in Western Europe, which can be categorized as the Sun Wheel, or Swastika, an old Northern and indo-European symbol for good fortune and renewal of life and nature.

It has been substantiated that the native indians were not capable of smelting or casting iron, and didn't have the technology to do so. The ability to work iron was one of the biggest achievements of the ancient era, and one carried out by Europeans in these times, one of the few people able to . An iron furnacing site was discovered by archaeologists
on Spruce Hill, a flat top mountain in the Scioto Valley in south central Ohio. " The collapsed walls of a surrounding fort and other buildings - some 200,000 tons of cut rock - are still to be seen on the site, which was first fully explored by Arlington Mallery in 1948, and detailed in his book "The Rediscovery of Lost America" (E.P. Dutton, New York, 1979). Mallery went on to discover 14 other iron working sites, which clearly were foreign to the Amerinds ('Red Indians'), in the Deer Creek Valley, about ten miles from Spruce Hill."

There are several sites in present-day Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Ohio, and other states, which show not only Megalithic structures, but ancient iron furnacing structures, a technology that originated from Indo-Europeans.

A final example is the Kennewick man, human skeletal remains found in July of 1996, in Kennewick, Washington. The digital reconstruction of the skeleton's physical features look obviously European, and extremely Celtic in nature. Several Native American groups have protested the archives and documentation of the remains released to the public, because it will prove that it is indeed NOT related to the Asiatic nomadic hunters that crossed the Alaskan landbridge (present-day North American Indians) . For more information :

http://www.newnation.com/NNN-kennewick-man.html

Christopher Columbus : October 12th, 1492 a.d.

Lief Eriksson : October 9th, 1000 a.d.

Not only did these Europeans discover America, but there are signs of Celtic settlements on the Eastern Coast. In Salem, there is a 30-acre site with Megalithic structures, resembling the Megalithic Stone monuments in Western Europe, i.e. Stonehenge. On one of the rocks at the site, there is a Celtic (Indo-European) etching on the rock, of a Celtic sun symbol, dating from circa 2000 b.c. Other symbols have been found as well on rocks in this location, as well as ones in Western Europe, which can be categorized as the Sun Wheel, or Swastika, an old Northern and indo-European symbol for good fortune and renewal of life and nature.

It has been substantiated that the native indians were not capable of smelting or casting iron, and didn't have the technology to do so. The ability to work iron was one of the biggest achievements of the ancient era, and one carried out by Europeans in these times, one of the few people able to . An iron furnacing site was discovered by archaeologists
on Spruce Hill, a flat top mountain in the Scioto Valley in south central Ohio. " The collapsed walls of a surrounding fort and other buildings - some 200,000 tons of cut rock - are still to be seen on the site, which was first fully explored by Arlington Mallery in 1948, and detailed in his book "The Rediscovery of Lost America" (E.P. Dutton, New York, 1979). Mallery went on to discover 14 other iron working sites, which clearly were foreign to the Amerinds ('Red Indians'), in the Deer Creek Valley, about ten miles from Spruce Hill."

There are several sites in present-day Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Ohio, and other states, which show not only Megalithic structures, but ancient iron furnacing structures, a technology that originated from Indo-Europeans.

A final example is the Kennewick man, human skeletal remains found in July of 1996, in Kennewick, Washington. The digital reconstruction of the skeleton's physical features look obviously European, and extremely Celtic in nature. Several Native American groups have protested the archives and documentation of the remains released to the public, because it will prove that it is indeed NOT related to the Asiatic nomadic hunters that crossed the Alaskan landbridge (present-day North American Indians) . For more information :

http://www.newnation.com/NNN-kennewick-man.html

Christopher Columbus : October 12th, 1492 a.d.

Lief Eriksson : October 9th, 1000 a.d.

Not only did these Europeans discover America, but there are signs of Celtic settlements on the Eastern Coast. In Salem, there is a 30-acre site with Megalithic structures, resembling the Megalithic Stone monuments in Western Europe, i.e. Stonehenge. On one of the rocks at the site, there is a Celtic (Indo-European) etching on the rock, of a Celtic sun symbol, dating from circa 2000 b.c. Other symbols have been found as well on rocks in this location, as well as ones in Western Europe, which can be categorized as the Sun Wheel, or Swastika, an old Northern and indo-European symbol for good fortune and renewal of life and nature.

It has been substantiated that the native indians were not capable of smelting or casting iron, and didn't have the technology to do so. The ability to work iron was one of the biggest achievements of the ancient era, and one carried out by Europeans in these times, one of the few people able to . An iron furnacing site was discovered by archaeologists
on Spruce Hill, a flat top mountain in the Scioto Valley in south central Ohio. " The collapsed walls of a surrounding fort and other buildings - some 200,000 tons of cut rock - are still to be seen on the site, which was first fully explored by Arlington Mallery in 1948, and detailed in his book "The Rediscovery of Lost America" (E.P. Dutton, New York, 1979). Mallery went on to discover 14 other iron working sites, which clearly were foreign to the Amerinds ('Red Indians'), in the Deer Creek Valley, about ten miles from Spruce Hill."

There are several sites in present-day Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Ohio, and other states, which show not only Megalithic structures, but ancient iron furnacing structures, a technology that originated from Indo-Europeans.

A final example is the Kennewick man, human skeletal remains found in July of 1996, in Kennewick, Washington. The digital reconstruction of the skeleton's physical features look obviously European, and extremely Celtic in nature. Several Native American groups have protested the archives and documentation of the remains released to the public, because it will prove that it is indeed NOT related to the Asiatic nomadic hunters that crossed the Alaskan landbridge (present-day North American Indians) . For more information :

http://www.newnation.com/NNN-kennewick-man.html

Christopher Columbus : October 12th, 1492 a.d.

Lief Eriksson : October 9th, 1000 a.d.

Not only did these Europeans discover America, but there are signs of Celtic settlements on the Eastern Coast. In Salem, there is a 30-acre site with Megalithic structures, resembling the Megalithic Stone monuments in Western Europe, i.e. Stonehenge. On one of the rocks at the site, there is a Celtic (Indo-European) etching on the rock, of a Celtic sun symbol, dating from circa 2000 b.c. Other symbols have been found as well on rocks in this location, as well as ones in Western Europe, which can be categorized as the Sun Wheel, or Swastika, an old Northern and indo-European symbol for good fortune and renewal of life and nature.

It has been substantiated that the native indians were not capable of smelting or casting iron, and didn't have the technology to do so. The ability to work iron was one of the biggest achievements of the ancient era, and one carried out by Europeans in these times, one of the few people able to . An iron furnacing site was discovered by archaeologists
on Spruce Hill, a flat top mountain in the Scioto Valley in south central Ohio. " The collapsed walls of a surrounding fort and other buildings - some 200,000 tons of cut rock - are still to be seen on the site, which was first fully explored by Arlington Mallery in 1948, and detailed in his book "The Rediscovery of Lost America" (E.P. Dutton, New York, 1979). Mallery went on to discover 14 other iron working sites, which clearly were foreign to the Amerinds ('Red Indians'), in the Deer Creek Valley, about ten miles from Spruce Hill."

There are several sites in present-day Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Ohio, and other states, which show not only Megalithic structures, but ancient iron furnacing structures, a technology that originated from Indo-Europeans.

A final example is the Kennewick man, human skeletal remains found in July of 1996, in Kennewick, Washington. The digital reconstruction of the skeleton's physical features look obviously European, and extremely Celtic in nature. Several Native American groups have protested the archives and documentation of the remains released to the public, because it will prove that it is indeed NOT related to the Asiatic nomadic hunters that crossed the Alaskan landbridge (present-day North American Indians) . For more information :

http://www.newnation.com/NNN-kennewick-man.html

I sincerely apologize about posting that twice, it was a total accident.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr6c.htm

http://www.lessing4.de/megaliths/america.htm

http://www.megaliths.co.uk/northamerica.htm

http://www.barnesreview.org/megaliths.htm

http://www.iwaynet.net/~wdc/ (iron furnaces, no historical or archaeological record of native indians using them, yet they resemble Indo-European iron furnacing structures and facilities from the Bronze and Iron age.)

The Indians were incapable of working iron?

Sounds like a racist assumption.

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http://www.white-history.com/hwr6c.htm

That's alot of crap...the Vikings didn't build like that...

racist, because its true? I just gave several links proving what I said from validated sources, including the one about historical evidence involving iron smelting and working in general. To date, there are no sources historically or archaeologically that prove the native indians were capable of smelting or furnacing iron, which shows why there is a huge abundance of arrowheads and spear tips which are made from sources of rock, and not refined iron. There were no iron smelting furnaces ever created by them proven by archaeologists and no adherant source of this evidence. It was originated by the Indo-Europeans that migrated to places such as the Middle-East, Asia, Europe, etc.

and the white-history.com link wasnt about vikings, it was about celts... why dont you read what i wrote before making your own assumptions, megalithic structures were originally created by celts in western europe, which is what the majority of the information i wrote about was concerning. the only thing i wrote about the vikings was the first entry i made, and a very brief part in the 2nd , involving this subject as a whole.