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The crown lost it's power as far as I know. Why keep the Royal tradition? Knowing us Americans, we'll probably invade Britain in 100 years because "we never liked the Royal Family, our fathers from 1770's would be proud"

no honestly, I can picture it. Just lose the crown and your country will look much better.

She also has a dual use, Queen of Scotland. Means we get two for the price of one.

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.

She also has a dual use, Queen of Scotland. Means we get two for the price of one.

ahh...i never knew that, but still...

uHM....shes rather like a nice set of dishes that are just to exspensive to use, really..you never intend to use them anymore, but their nice to have around to show off to your friends.

the King had a use for her :)

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.

Actually, I think we should convert to metric. It's kinda pointless having to learn both standard and metric...

no honestly, I can picture it. Just lose the crown and your country will look much better.

Agreed.

If only we could do something about the weather too.

Same use as Disneyland, except less interesting for the kids. England aughta sell its palaces to Disney and make a profit for a change.

the King had a use for her :)

We don't have a King.

Good for them if they want to keep the Queen. I'm sure that if I were British, I'd want to keep the Queen, what with me being sommat conservative and all.

She has a stench that comes off her in visable waves.

whether the british or any other country keep their figure head monarchs is none of my business. as an american i recognize no one as my social superior, but i regard archaic foriegn customs to be the sole perogative of the citizens of the nations to whom they belong.

Same use as Disneyland, except less interesting for the kids. England aughta sell its palaces to Disney and make a profit for a change. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

If I had the choice between that and keeping the, the Institution starts to look good, and not at all archaic and useless.

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.we tried it once and it failed miserably

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.we tried it once and it failed miserably

You had it for about 2 days or something, didn't you?

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.we tried it once and it failed miserably

You had it for about 2 days or something, didn't you?not quite sure, we're just stubborn i guess

I do believe some people are trying to start a flame war.

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

im a yank, so im not entirely sure.
But I would say, no.
Youre not a subject of hers, so you would not be bound to bow.
But....it would be good to be polite.

well I'll be going to play Call of Duty now, you guys keep up the thread.

I don't believe your Queen has any real purpose any longer other than snipping at ribbons.

However, that actress who looks just like your Queen does have a real purpose in life. Playing the part of Her Royal Highness in all those bloody TV commercials. Keep up the good work!

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

You would be expected to, as she is you social superior where ever you are. You'd be 'forgiven' for being an 'ignorant Yank who doesn't know any better,' I wouldn't bow for Queen either.

For Christ's sake the tabloids tried to kick up a huge fuss because Jamie Oliver went to accept his knighthood from the Queen, WITHOUT WEARING A TIE OMG, IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

I do believ some people are trying to start a flame war.

Me? no. No good at it. I'd have to side against myself, considering what the current tread is about.

One could argue that the monarchy of any country serves as a stable, unifying symbol of a country. The monarch is a constant that does not wax and wane with the turning of the political tide.

Actually, you aren't expected to bow to the Queen unless you're one of her subjects. To do so would imply loyalty to the Queen.

Jamie Oliver went to accept his knighthood from the Queen,

Whos that?

Is he that chef from "Olivers Twist" on the Food Network?

Actually, you aren't expected to bow to the Queen unless you're one of her subjects. To do so would imply loyalty to the Queen.

So I was right when I said:

im a yank, so im not entirely sure.
But I would say, no.
Youre not a subject of hers, so you would not be bound to bow.
But....it would be good to be polite.

Jamie Oliver went to accept his knighthood from the Queen,

Whos that?

Is he that chef from "Olivers Twist" on the Food Network?

Some jumped up mockney git (who also 'works' as a TV chef and Sainsbury's advirtiser). Why did he get an honour (I think it was a MBE not Knighthood)? Buggered if I know or care.

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

ummm....okay....that's nice

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys' salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

ummm....okay....that's nice

Why?

Jamie Oliver went to accept his knighthood from the Queen,

Whos that?

Is he that chef from "Olivers Twist" on the Food Network?

Some jumped up mockney git (who also 'works' as a TV chef and Sainsbury's advirtiser). Why did he get an honour (I think it was a MBE not Knighthood)? Buggered if I know or care.

So the answer is "yes....thats the guy".

ALso...whats a "Jumped up mockney git" ?

I got the "git" part........"jerk...fool..." etc....

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys' salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

ummm....okay....that's nice

Why?I dunno, that's just the way it works. I was surprised when I learned it too. I found out about it while learning naval etiquette.

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys' salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

ummm....okay....that's nice

Why?I dunno, that's just the way it works. I was surprised when I learned it too. I found out about it while learning naval ettiquete.

Maybe cause we kicked ass in WWII in the Pacific with the boats.

Actually, you aren't expected to bow to the Queen unless you're one of her subjects. To do so would imply loyalty to the Queen.
Not necessarily- you could be trying to headbutt the old dear but missing- or trying to shake dandruff on to her by nodding your head dead fast- this wouldnt really mean you were loyal to her

What, we have two royal cousins running for President people.

Theoretically, she is the constituional protector. However, considering that the British blithly change their 'unwritten' constitution as the ruling party see's fit and has decided to create a political capacitor in the House of Lords (Hey life appointments made by the lower house, how 'democratic') I'm not sure, but the present path could veer off and England could be ruled by a wonderful nice liberal Olarchy sitting happily in the the Lords by 2050.

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.

ALso...whats a "Jumped up mockney git" ?

I got the "git" part........"jerk...fool..." etc....

Shouldn't be where he is, illusions of grandeur.

Mockney: A term to decribe those who affect Cockney habits, speech etc. Usually by saying stupid things like "Pukka," and having that annoying accent, which must be fake.

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.

Yay, another Ikeian.

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.

Yay, another Ikeian.
Ikeians? Are they people that work in Ikea?

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.

Yay, another Ikeian.
Ikeians? Are they people that work in Ikea?

No. You must have heard of David Ike

:EDIT: http://www.davidicke.com/

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.

Yay, another Ikeian.
Ikeians? Are they people that work in Ikea?

No. You must have heard of David Ike

:EDIT: http://www.davidicke.com/
Yeah man I have but its almost 8 am so im making even naffer jokes than usual.
**yawns**

Yeah man I have but its almost 8 am so im making even naffer jokes than usual.
**yawns**

Understandable, just got up? Or been up all night?

On an unrelated note, did you guys know that at sea, all of the world's Navys salute US ships first? Interesting, huh?

Maybe it's because the rest of the world is polite so they salute, and then the US grudgingly returns? =P

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Well said ^^

Yeah man I have but its almost 8 am so im making even naffer jokes than usual.
**yawns**

Understandable, just got up? Or been up all night?
Was night shift and cant sleep-

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Just out of curiosity Nascarian, ae you by chance a Republican?

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Just out of curiosity Nascarian, ae you by chance a Republican?

Republican by whos standards? Mine or yours? I'm a Republican, in the British sense, but don't like most of the GOP's policies.

She'd be useful if you stuck a pole up her arse and used her as a toilet cleaner. Other than that she and her troglodyte relatives and the layer of useless leeches surrounding her are worth absolutely fuck all.

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Just out of curiosity Nascarian, ae you by chance a Republican?

Republican by whos standards? Mine or yours? I'm a Republican, in the British sense, but don't like most of the GOP's policies.

You arent nascarastan are you?

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Just out of curiosity Nascarian, ae you by chance a Republican?

Republican by whos standards? Mine or yours? I'm a Republican, in the British sense, but don't like most of the GOP's policies.

You arent nascarastan are you?

No, I think Nascarastan is American. I'm British

Another question, if I travelled to Britain and met the Queen, I wouldn't hafta bow down or do any of that crap right? I would'nt do that to my President and he's waaaaaay more powerful than the Queen...

well if your going to her country(assuming your not coming with a conquering army), you play by her rules. i accept no one as my social superior, but i'm not going to insult a head of state in her own nation by ignoring protocal if i'm granted the honour of meeting her. its like being invited into someone home for supper and making a great show of refusing to bow your head when they say grace at the dinner table. if you can't abide by someone elses customs stay out of their territory.

Just out of curiosity Nascarian, ae you by chance a Republican?

Republican by whos standards? Mine or yours? I'm a Republican, in the British sense, but don't like most of the GOP's policies.

You arent nascarastan are you?

No, I think Nascarastan is American. I'm British

Then shaddap you Limey git!

Im just kidding....Ive always wanted to say that to someone.

Did you know that the Queen is related to Vlad the Impaler? Prince "That fuse box looks like it was put in by a Paki" Phillip is direct descendant.

Plus Charles (thinks the world is going to be destroyed by nanites) and Di ("Pity me for I am lovely") were related in more than 47 different ways. :shock:

I mean thats close even by alabama standards!

I for one say keep the monarchy for the fun panto they provide.

Plus Charles (thinks the world is going to be destroyed by nanites) and Di ("Pity me for I am lovely") were related in more than 47 different ways. :shock:

I mean thats close even by alabama standards!

I for one say keep the monarchy for the fun panto they provide.

He [Charles] also talks to plants

Plus Charles (thinks the world is going to be destroyed by nanites) and Di ("Pity me for I am lovely") were related in more than 47 different ways. :shock:

I mean thats close even by alabama standards!

I for one say keep the monarchy for the fun panto they provide.

He [Charles] also talks to plants spam spam spam

Nothing wrong with that. The problem is they sometimes talk back.

Nothing wrong with that. The problem is they sometimes talk back.

We should keep our Queen. Blighty is steeped in history (some good, some bad) of which most countries are a little envious. Her Maj is the Head of State and that's the way it should stay (for as long as she can)! I can't say I'm in full support of some of the other muppets in the Royal Family getting their mitts on the Crown though. It would be a bloody tragedy if we abolished the Monarchy and Blair became President! If that happens, there will probably be a revolution. :cry:

We should keep our Queen. Blighty is steeped in history (some good, some bad) of which most countries are a little envious. Her Maj is the Head of State and that's the way it should stay (for as long as she can)! I can't say I'm in full support of some of the other muppets in the Royal Family getting their mitts on the Crown though. It would be a bloody tragedy if we abolished the Monarchy and Blair became President! If that happens, there will probably be a revolution. :cry:

Why would Blair have to become President. Couldn't we put in an automatic stamping machine as head of state. It'd do just as much as the Queen, but be cheaper to run.

We should keep our Queen. Blighty is steeped in history (some good, some bad) of which most countries are a little envious. Her Maj is the Head of State and that's the way it should stay (for as long as she can)! I can't say I'm in full support of some of the other muppets in the Royal Family getting their mitts on the Crown though. It would be a bloody tragedy if we abolished the Monarchy and Blair became President! If that happens, there will probably be a revolution. :cry:

Why would Blair have to become President. Couldn't we put in an automatic stamping machine as head of state. It'd do just as much as the Queen, but be cheaper to run.


That's not very fair! The Queen is an institution. It's one of those things that makes Britain what it is, different to most of the other countries.

A monarchy is cool because if there is a corrupt politician (coughblaircough) the people could rally behind the crown an d overthrow him or something. that, kids, is why america is so f*cked up politically

Last I heard a former british PM- (in the intrests of decency I won't name her) was searching for the legendary triangle of zenthar in order to conquer the world.

A monarchy is cool because if there is a corrupt politician (coughblaircough) the people could rally behind the crown an d overthrow him or something. that, kids, is why america is so f*cked up politically

Bleh...

maybe you are unaware of what it means to be "detained at her majesty's pleasure"?

We have the same thing her in the states...we just call it "The Patriot Act".

Gives us a few months..were gonna take care of that one too.

That's not very fair! The Queen is an institution. It's one of those things that makes Britain what it is, different to most of the other countries.

What is Britain?
The Monarchy keeps Britain reactionary, retrospective and stops it growing. It forces peoples mind on the past and Britain now gone glories. The Monarchy does not/should not define the country, the people should.

PS. A monarchy is not unusual. If you want Britain to be differant, support the idea of an Anglican Theocracy

A monarchy is cool because if there is a corrupt politician (coughblaircough) the people could rally behind the crown an d overthrow him or something. that, kids, is why america is so f*cked up politically

*cough*English Civil War*cough*

If that unlikely situation came about, I'd move to Ireland or France. Both outcomes would be useless and terrible. You evidently have a poor grasp of the British Constitution too.

You mean the constitution we DON'T HAVE? The unwritten constitution is one of the biggest political myths we have in britain- none of the rules have special status so can be changed at any time by the Parliament (they mainly choose not to- but that's beside the point.)

I had something quite funny to say then but I've forgotten- heck- easy come easy go. :wink:

You mean the constitution we DON'T HAVE? The unwritten constitution is one of the biggest political myths we have in britain- none of the rules have special status so can be changed at any time by the Parliament (they mainly choose not to- but that's beside the point.)

I had something quite funny to say then but I've forgotten- heck- easy come easy go. :wink:

Constitution, does not only refer to a single piece of paper. But how a nation is governed and run.

Britain's Constitution is no 'unwritten,' but uncodified.

As you aren't a subject of Her Majesty the Queen, no you would really have to, but as you are in HER Realm, yes, the entire country still belongs to her, she can take over any plot of land that she wanted if she ever wanted, you are under HER Peace. Whilst you are in the UK she is your protector, your guardian of rights and still the Head of State.

She does quite a few things in the country. She protects and looks after the rights of her subjects, so say if the Govt were to produce a bill that endorses ethnic cleansing or racial discrimination, she could in effect block that bill and if she wanted dismiss the Prime Minister and dissolve Parliament and hold new elections.

The Queen has a lot of powers, she is Head of the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force, though not the army since Charles the first and the Civil War. She can take over any land she sees fit, she still holds a clear majority in favour of keeping the institution, she is the countries top diplomat and most of all wherever she visits, the crowds are often larger than your "Superbowl" Crowds. On her Golden Jubilee, a million yes a MILLION people stood outside Buckingham palace in her support.

So if anything, since she came to power, her influence has increase and public support is very strong. She is all that is British and all that is great about Britain and nothing can ever change that and nothing ever will. To remove the monarchy would be an outrage and in my opinion be political suicide for whoever were to suggest that. It might even spark a civil war, but thats just my Opinion. It would be like the US getting rid of the institution of President and replacing it with a King or Queen, or even a post of Prime Minister subservient to the Queen:lol:

Britain, Britain, Britain. Population one millions. Number of towns; 11. Average height; 30. Shoesize. But just who are Britain? What do they do? Who is them? and why?

Yes- but those unwritten rules have absolutely no special status. They are subject to parliament not the other way round- most constitiutions give the government their authority, in Britain the rules for governing the nation could be changed by parliament tommorow if they saw fit. Give me 15 minutes to fish out my lecture notes and we can have a better conversation on this. (christ who would've thought it- a student working at the weekend? That's what the internet does for you eh?)

ARRGH!!! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT??? The Queen CANNOT block legislation!! SHE CAN'T DO IT PEOPLE!!! The monarchy surrended the power!! Bills have to be passed by the Queen! But this works by both houses of parliament reading out the title of the bill! She never comes near the stuff!

Yes- but those unwritten rules have absolutely no special status. They are subject to parliament not the other way round- most constitiutions give the government their authority, in Britain the rules for governing the nation could be changed by parliament tommorow if they saw fit. Give me 15 minutes to fish out my lecture notes and we can have a better conversation on this. (christ who would've thought it- a student working at the weekend? That's what the internet does for you eh?)

Hey, I in the same boat as you, give me a while to fish out mine. You don't have an essay to do do you?

Yes I do! Were do you go?

One big advantage of the monarchy at the moment is the limitation it puts on parliament. Democracy may be the least undemocratic way to run a country, but it still allows for hideous abuses of power- Messrs. Bush and Blair have shown that quite adequately recently, thanks. An unelected and largely disenfranchised head of state like the Queen does not hold supreme power, but her existence does mean that, in the UK, supreme power vests nowhere.
Result: Legally, no one person or small group's whim can drive the country. Of course, it doesn't work out like that, as Blair has shown himself only too eager and willing to bulldoze parliament and overrule the House of Lords, but theoretically the existence of such 'anachronisms' as an unelected senior chamber and a monarch mean that all legislation should have had time to be considered and moderated by the time it becomes law.
We've had our share of knee-jerk anti-terror laws, but, if Blair didn't abuse the system, then the UK version of a 'Patriot' act would still have been being bounced back and forth between Commons and Lords, and subsequently awaiting the Queen's signature- if, indeed, without an Executive Head of State to rally for it, it even got off the ground, and would probably either be forgotten about, or moderated and trimmed down to a saner level by the time it actually started affecting people.
So, at present it doesn't work, largely because T.B. thinks he's a President, but in principle it's a good system.

Yes- but those unwritten rules have absolutely no special status. Treaties with other countries, agreements with organisations with EU plus a few others cannot be revoked by Parliament at the drop of a hat. Give me few. mins I'll expand on that

The queen is popular still in Britain....
The Queen protects the laws and upholds them for all citizens of the United Kingdom
She can declare war and Peace and the stroke of a pen
She can seize any peice of territory that she wishes in the U.K
She can also stop any stupid laws that are tried to be passed, Acts can be passed by parliament, but the queen MUST Sign the act in order for it to become Law.
If the monarchy was overthrown by any Sort of power there will be another civil war, The army is sworn to the queen and the Crown, so our army would have to be disbanded and re-forged.

"Mad King George" is a very poor relation to our present Monarch..
The House of Windsor is a Russian/Germanic House, They are not Born in Britain, unlike Mad King Gorge... (who had taken leave of his senses a long time beofre the American War for Independence)

Yes I do! Were do you go? Liverpool, you?

Actually, the Queen does still retain the Right to block bills coming in from parliament. The last time this was done was by Queen Anne in the late 18th or early 19th Century on the Scottish Militia. That power has never been curbed as to do so would be in effect destroying the title from the Queen of "Protector".

Although 3 Lord Commissioners signs Royal Assent on her behalf, she can still instruct them not to sign and in effect witholding assent. THAT is how she can block bills and THAT is the British Constitution which is made up of the Human Rights Act, Parliament Acts, Magna Carta, Bill of Rights etc.

ARRGH!!! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT??? The Queen CANNOT block legislation!! SHE CAN'T DO IT PEOPLE!!! The monarchy surrended the power!! Bills have to be passed by the Queen! But this works by both houses of parliament reading out the title of the bill! She never comes near the stuff!

Well that's a lie and a half, She is still the most powerfull monarch in the world, as i stated in my above post, all other Monarchies are just figure heads, Our Monarchy Isn't and she can block legislation.....

ARRGH!!! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT??? The Queen CANNOT block legislation!! SHE CAN'T DO IT PEOPLE!!! The monarchy surrended the power!! Bills have to be passed by the Queen! But this works by both houses of parliament reading out the title of the bill! She never comes near the stuff!

Yes, Bills have to be passed by the Queen and unless she gives her approval, it does not become law! She has no direct contact with the debate, that is true but she has to read and sign the Bill.

The queen is popular still in Britain....

True

The Queen protects the laws and upholds them for all citizens of the United Kingdom

Yes- she drives around at night dressed in a bat costume, with Phillip in a red jerkin and pair of tights.

She can declare war and Peace and the stroke of a pen

If she was to sit down a declare war on the USA- she'd be quietly packed off into a mental home.

She can seize any peice of territory that she wishes in the U.K

She only has that power coz she hasn't tried to use it in a big way- if she did see how fast it'd be taken off her,

She can also stop any stupid laws that are tried to be passed, Acts can be passed by parliament, but the queen MUST Sign the act in order for it to become Law.

See above- BIG myth.

If the monarchy was overthrown by any Sort of power there will be another civil war, The army is sworn to the queen and the Crown, so our army would have to be disbanded and re-forged.

Maybe twenty years ago- these days They'd probably just switch sides. Most career army men seem to know which side their bread is buttered

"Mad King George" is a very poor relation to our present Monarch..
The House of Windsor is a Russian/Germanic House, They are not Born in Britain, unlike Mad King Gorge... (who had taken leave of his senses a long time beofre the American War for Independence)

Well everyone knows that his son died in a duel with the Duke of Wellington and his butler took over. Treacherous cad that he was.

Yes I do! Were do you go? Liverpool, you?

The queen is popular still in Britain....

True

The Queen protects the laws and upholds them for all citizens of the United Kingdom

Yes- she drives around at night dressed in a bat costume, with Phillip in a red jerkin and pair of tights.

She can declare war and Peace and the stroke of a pen

If she was to sit down a declare war on the USA- she'd be quietly packed off into a mental home.

She can seize any peice of territory that she wishes in the U.K

She only has that power coz she hasn't tried to use it in a big way- if she did see how fast it'd be taken off her,

She can also stop any stupid laws that are tried to be passed, Acts can be passed by parliament, but the queen MUST Sign the act in order for it to become Law.

See above- BIG myth.

If the monarchy was overthrown by any Sort of power there will be another civil war, The army is sworn to the queen and the Crown, so our army would have to be disbanded and re-forged.

Maybe twenty years ago- these days They'd probably just switch sides. Most career army men seem to know which side their bread is buttered

"Mad King George" is a very poor relation to our present Monarch..
The House of Windsor is a Russian/Germanic House, They are not Born in Britain, unlike Mad King Gorge... (who had taken leave of his senses a long time beofre the American War for Independence)

Well everyone knows that his son died in a duel with the Duke of Wellington and his butler took over. Treacherous cad that he was.


The Police also swear an oath to the Queen, not the State!

Aberystwyth- which is nice.

Now will everyone stop talking while I sift through my notes! :wink:

Now will everyone stop talking while I sift through my notes! :wink:

Sure thing, anything to help :lol:

Now will everyone stop talking while I sift through my notes! :wink:

Maybe a new thread should be started

Now will everyone stop talking while I sift through my notes! :wink:

your an idiot, unless your gunna reply sensibly to my posts as well as other people's i suggest you stop posting

Middy- I can't remember what you said. It wasn't a personal slight- but these things move quite quickly and I'm not clever enough to remember what you said.
I'm probably looking through my notes to find something about what you said anyway.
Just chill out. :)

Now will everyone stop talking while I sift through my notes! :wink:

your an idiot, unless your gunna reply sensibly to my posts as well as other people's i suggest you stop posting

Hey come on, give the guy a break. He's just trying to get his facts straight so he doesn't make a complete plonka of himself by posting rubbish!

If you look at it carefully, it seems that the Queen is a dictator. Seriously, she controls the army, and has the ability to dissolve the parliament, it's just that she chooses not to...I mean, if I had that power...

If you look at it carefully, it seems that the Queen is a dictator. Seriously, she controls the army, and has the ability to dissolve the parliament, it's just that she chooses not to...I mean, if I had that power...

Heck- it's the internet. We should probably abandon this "facts" buisness and just flame. That seems to be internet etiquette.

Heck- it's the internet. We should probably abandon this "facts" buisness and just flame. That seems to be internet etiquette.


You may have a point there!

If you look at it carefully, it seems that the Queen is a dictator. Seriously, she controls the army, and has the ability to dissolve the parliament, it's just that she chooses not to...I mean, if I had that power...

yes but then you could start to say that God is the ultimate Dictator... and then we get another silly argument about such ridiculous things.. :roll:

& Min Min, he's still making a "plonka" of himself anyway.....

Coz I disagree with you? I'm prepared to admit I may be wrong but you're the one peppering your side of the informed debate with personal insults.

If you look at it carefully, it seems that the Queen is a dictator. Seriously, she controls the army, and has the ability to dissolve the parliament, it's just that she chooses not to...I mean, if I had that power...

yes but then you could start to say that God is the ultimate Dictator... and then we get another silly argument about such ridiculous things.. :roll:

& Min Min, he's still making a "plonka" of himself anyway.....

Just trying to help the guy out.

Mmm, God the ultimate dictator? You're right, ridiculous argument!

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2925857#2925857

For anyone wanting to talk about the British Constitution.

The thing i like is that if Tony Blair tries to destroy the Monarchies power, he can be hanged for Treason to the Crown, that'd be the best TV show EVER! :D

People can still be hanged for......
Burning the UK flag (and all flags afflicted therof)
Treason
Setting fire to Her Majesties shipyards

and a couple of others that i can't remember

The thing i like is that if Tony Blair tries to destroy the Monarchies power, he can be hanged for Treason to the Crown, that'd be the best TV show EVER! :D

People can still be hanged for......
Burning the UK flag (and all flags afflicted therof)
Treason
Setting fire to Her Majesties shipyards

and a couple of others that i can't remember

Not for a few years now. We no longer have the death penalty for any civil or military crime.

(Human Rights Act 1998)

The thing i like is that if Tony Blair tries to destroy the Monarchies power, he can be hanged for Treason to the Crown, that'd be the best TV show EVER! :D

People can still be hanged for......
Burning the UK flag (and all flags afflicted therof)
Treason
Setting fire to Her Majesties shipyards

and a couple of others that i can't remember

Not for a few years now. We no longer have the death penalty for any civil or military crime.

Which is a shame, don't you think?

Which is a shame, don't you think?

Erm, no?

iam afraid you are wrong we do have the death penalty for high treason and there aint squat anyone can do about it. We do not however have the death penalty for cival crimes only military, such as treason

anyway the whole point of the queen is that if parliment ever go too crazy she can step in and cease it. the queen can dissolve or freeze parliment in case of any mp trying to pull lets say an insurection, but that is not her only use if we get rid of the queen we make all of our british history null and void. having the queen lets us say we are better than you (america) we have history we are a nation that can be proud. unlike the colony of america.

The Queen's good for tourism. And Daily Mail sales.

Also, as far as monarchs go she's one of the best. She a clever politician who hasn't really put a foot wrong in the past half century. She's also a good sense of constancy for the wider world, since Prime Ministers only last 4 years. (Then again that's like saying as far as cancer goes, skin cancer isn't that bad really...)

Do away with her and start a "revolution" tour of London or something- the tourist trade can always pick up afterwards.

Aidan

anyway the whole point of the queen is that if parliment ever go too crazy she can step in and cease it.

I don't know about stepping in and refusing to pass a law (although I have always been taught that the Queen doesn't have the power to any more) but Parliament certainly can't be dissolved by the Queen....a lot of the things like that ability went with the Civil War.....

iam afraid you are wrong we do have the death penalty for high treason and there aint squat anyone can do about it. We do not however have the death penalty for cival crimes only military, such as treason

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/action/camp/dp/intro/uk.html

anyway the whole point of the queen is that if parliment ever go too crazy she can step in and cease it.

I don't know about stepping in and refusing to pass a law (although I have always been taught that the Queen doesn't have the power to any more) but Parliament certainly can't be dissolved by the Queen....a lot of the things like that ability went with the Civil War.....

The PM can go to the Queen to dissolve Parliament if he feels he does not have the support of his Cabinet. The Queen then HAS to giver her permission for Parliament to be dissolved. The PM cannot do this alone.

I don't know about stepping in and refusing to pass a law (although I have always been taught that the Queen doesn't have the power to any more) but Parliament certainly can't be dissolved by the Queen....a lot of the things like that ability went with the Civil War.....

????? Dissolving parliament is one of her most used powers. When the prime minister wants to hold an election what does he do? That's right! He goes to the pallace and asks the Queen to dissolve parliament for him.

The sad thing is, we DID get rid of the monarchy, what with our civil war and all that...then what did we do? WE PUT THEM BACK, DAMMIT!!!

The sad thing is, we DID get rid of the monarchy, what with our civil war and all that...then what did we do? WE PUT THEM BACK, DAMMIT!!!

And a bloody good job we did. Otherwise all those history lessons would have been as dull as watching paint dry!!

The sad thing is, we DID get rid of the monarchy, what with our civil war and all that...then what did we do? WE PUT THEM BACK, DAMMIT!!!

And a bloody good job we did. Otherwise all those history lessons would have been as dull as watching paint dry!!

Yeah, because everyone who reads the Court Circular knows that Monarchs are the only interesting people :roll:

The queen is useless. There is no reason for her to exist at all.

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She is a tourist attraction, like her palace.

She is a tourist attraction, like her palace.

The Queen is the Head of State, a very important role. She is in touch with EVERYTHING that occurs with her Government. She has to give her approval to ALL new laws and if she doesn't agree with what Blair & Co do, then she will not sign it off and it won't become law.

Do you really think Britain would be better off without The Queen?

I'm British, and would want to abolish the monarchy, personally.

The stongest logical argument that the royalists have is that the royal family bring in a massive amount of money into the country, in terms of tourism - which, to be fair, is true.

However, they also cost the country a massive amount. Her Royal Laziness and her bunch of inbreds claim humongous amounts of cash each year from the Civil List. This comes from the hapless taxpayer, and is used to fund their extragavant lifestyle in the form of state visits (ie free holidays), expenses (homes, servants, glamorous clothes) and so on.

Clearly, the sensible thing to do would be to set up an unbiased financial inquiry - comparing how much they cost the country, versus how much they bring in. It's kind of hard to judge the amount of tourism that's directly a result of them, granted, but a simple one-question survey of all tourists over a period would help to gauge the sum.

I really do think it's purely a matter of money. For everyone who bangs on about prestige and tradition, there's someone with a (generally better, in my view) argument for modernising and republicanism.

I'm pretty sure the results would prove the royals cost more than they make. I would then kick them out, and they would have to get regular jobs. If the results were the opposite, fair enough, they should stay.

Of course, no government will ever have the balls to do this - which is why it's a pity I'm not in charge!

Speaking as another Brit, the soon as we see the back of the Queen, the better.

She's a throwback to the days of the British Empire (and indeed further back than that). It's this inability to see that the days of empire are long over and that we're a small island nation now that has resulted in our troops being dragged into a number of pointless wars of revenge (Afghanistan and Iraq being only the most recent examples) at the behest of the US President so that we can fool ourselves that we're still a world power. :x

The Queen's useful in that she can make trips to foreign countries and act as ambassador when Blair's too busy. It's an admission of trust and can occasionally help cool international problems a bit. Otherwise she has very little real power and if she did try to exercise her theoretical power...I can't imagine it going down too well. My only real problem is the taxes that are routed through to the Queen, otherwise hoorah.

The tourist thing is only really a help to London... :P

And getting rid of the Queen doesn't get rid of British history in the same way that chopping off Charlie the first's head didn't.

iam afraid you are wrong we do have the death penalty for high treason and there aint squat anyone can do about it.

No, as someone mentioned, Jack Straw abolished the death penalty for any and all crimes through the Human Rights Act of 1998. Which is here: http://www.nfh.org.uk/law/human_rights_act_1998/index.php if you're curious. Salient bit:

ARTICLE 1
ABOLITION OF THE DEATH PENALTY
The death penalty shall be abolished. No one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed.

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.
I thought the American presidents are the reptiles.

Get rid of the queen and her wretched maladjusted family! The people should run the country not some non-elected bunch of in-breds!! :twisted:

The queen is popular still in Britain....
The Queen protects the laws and upholds them for all citizens of the United Kingdom
She can declare war and Peace and the stroke of a pen
She can seize any peice of territory that she wishes in the U.K
She can also stop any stupid laws that are tried to be passed, Acts can be passed by parliament, but the queen MUST Sign the act in order for it to become Law.
If the monarchy was overthrown by any Sort of power there will be another civil war, The army is sworn to the queen and the Crown, so our army would have to be disbanded and re-forged.

"Mad King George" is a very poor relation to our present Monarch..
The House of Windsor is a Russian/Germanic House, They are not Born in Britain, unlike Mad King Gorge... (who had taken leave of his senses a long time beofre the American War for Independence)
Wasn't King George a member of the Welfen house? (House of Hannover)

ARRGH!!! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT??? The Queen CANNOT block legislation!! SHE CAN'T DO IT PEOPLE!!! The monarchy surrended the power!! Bills have to be passed by the Queen! But this works by both houses of parliament reading out the title of the bill! She never comes near the stuff!

Well that's a lie and a half, She is still the most powerfull monarch in the world, as i stated in my above post, all other Monarchies are just figure heads, Our Monarchy Isn't and she can block legislation.....
Hmmm Isn't the King of Spain supreme commander of the Army?

The queen is useless. There is no reason for her to exist at all..
Anarchists are useless. They have no right to exist. They should be all locked up and beaten till they come to their senses.

Speaking as another Brit, the soon as we see the back of the Queen, the better.

She's a throwback to the days of the British Empire (and indeed further back than that). It's this inability to see that the days of empire are long over and that we're a small island nation now that has resulted in our troops being dragged into a number of pointless wars of revenge (Afghanistan and Iraq being only the most recent examples) at the behest of the US President so that we can fool ourselves that we're still a world power. :x
How is that the Queens fault? If anyone is to blame it' s Blair and the Americans.

I think people should lay off hating the queen, yeah we spend money on her but shes a tourist attraction who probably makes more money than she spend for the country. Also, im living in the hope of one day gaining a knighthood :D . Even tho its not gonna happen...

Anyway Charles has big ears *points and laughs*

Get rid of the queen and her wretched maladjusted family! The people should run the country not some non-elected bunch of in-breds!! :twisted:

And what have this family done to you? Why are you so keen to see them done away with? Are you feeling oppressed?

I think people should lay off hating the queen
Indeed. We should go back to hating Bush and/or America.

I have the privilege to be one of Her Majesty's Australian subjects, and although we'd get rid of her in favour of a republic at the drop of the hat if only we could agree on what type of republic we'd like, there's not an Australian alive who respects the Queen less than that absurd little monkey you've dressed up in a suit and made President of the United States.

8)

(this post at the request of the person above me :lol: )

na the queen can't reject legislation. she lacks the legitimacy - unelected and all. she's got the constitutional powers but its not practical and it'll never happen. parliament is sovereign! we had a civil war along these lines

Yea, those turds insult OUR queen, and look whose standing in front of that big red button... anyone watch 2DTV?

She's fun to throw tomatoes at.

na the queen can't reject legislation. she lacks the legitimacy - unelected and all. she's got the constitutional powers but its not practical and it'll never happen. parliament is sovereign! we had a civil war along these lines

True, but Charles I had the moral victory from the scaffold when he said:

I must tell you that the liberty and freedom (of the people) consists in having of Government, those laws by which their life and their goods may be most their own. It is not for having share in Government, Sir, that is nothing pertaining to them. A subject and a sovereign are clean different things. If I would have given way to an arbitrary way, for to have all laws changed according to the Power of the Sword, I needed not to have come here, and therefore I tell you ... that I am the martyr of the people.

:lol:

First off, she can block the process of bills indefinitely if required and she doesn't have to give it a second thought IF the bill is of such a matter that is both unconstitutional and illegal. So any arguement that she lacks legitimacy is flawed as she is there to protect her subjects from the sovereignty of Parliament.

Secondly, its is through the Queen that much of the worlds legal system exists. The large majority of the former British Empire continue to use the English Common Law and continue to use a large chunk of the English Common Law system that works because of the Empire and because of the Queen.

Thirdly, The Royal Family actually only cost the taxpayers a mere £21 Million to £40 Million. THe large majority of the Royal Family actually indeed have jobs and earn their own incomes. We spend more money regulating business or subsidising private business/the farming industry or give to the EU a year. THey bring in BILLIONS in investment into the economy, a large amount of Property and jewelrry they hold also brings in investment from museums.

So she is good for the economy, she is good for the justice system and she is good for the political system. What else is needed? I'd have to write a book to explain why abolishing the monarch and getting rid of the Queen would be disastrous for the country and that is FINAL.

In response to the question....none.

You can't get rid of the Royal Family. They are a symbol of Britain and plus, they're far too interesting to get rid off.

You can't get rid of the Royal Family. They are a symbol of Britain and plus, they're far too interesting to get rid off.

If we are not careful, this could be said of Big Brother (it apparently fulfils the the second point).

She provides a lap for those nice Corgi dogs.

The ones that remind me of Gaspode.

A monarchy is cool because if there is a corrupt politician (coughblaircough) the people could rally behind the crown an d overthrow him or something. that, kids, is why america is so f*cked up politicallyAre you fucking kidding me? What are you, like 11 years old? You're saying we should have a monarchy in the USA? Please excuse me while I take a five minute raucous laughter break.

A monarchy is cool because if there is a corrupt politician (coughblaircough) the people could rally behind the crown an d overthrow him or something. that, kids, is why america is so f*cked up politicallyAre you fucking kidding me? What are you, like 11 years old? You're saying we should have a monarchy in the USA? Please excuse me while I take a five minute raucous laughter break.

She's a waste of money and useless, even more so than other forms of authority. Anything she can do could be done far better by the people.

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since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.
I thought the American presidents are the reptiles.
You're wrong there, the current one is clearly a chimp

Less than 40% percent of britains would cross the street if the queen was on the other side. (I think it was nearer 30, but im not sure)

Living in scotland, ruled by another countries monarchy, i feel kinda oppressed. The royalty eats up millions of pounds - through extravagant holidays etc - which my country pays for in taxes . But i cant see where they bring it back in from. Plus the system is completely unfair - I thought that everyone had learned by now that you shouldn't have important jobs that you have to be born into.

great topic people!

since the queen is a 12 foot shape shifting lizard I doubt she really cares what the humans think of her.
I thought the American presidents are the reptiles.
You're wrong there, the current one is clearly a chimp

That's just to fool us (the lizards can shape-shift) :shock: . All major families are snake-shifting lizards, because they have special bloodlines.
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well I'll be going to play Call of Duty now, you guys keep up the thread.
same here...she's got the "sexy lingerie" on...need to go do it...NOW
:twisted:

What use is the Queen?

Simple... she and her familly keeps hundreds if not thousands of Paparazzi gainfully employed. Without them the tabloid industry would collapse to the detriment of the economy!

:D

Nahh - she's an institution. A harmless historical anachronism that can still do much good on an embassadorial level. And sometimes might also serve as a rallying cry to the country on time of need.

Now , for those who point to The Constitution as an inherently "better" thing upon which to base things - really there is little difference. Both systems are based on an adversarial court system with similar rules, and both are based on the notion of precedence.

you can point to the constitution as some mystical document, but bear in mind that the legal scope of each article therin has really been defined by the Supreme Court rather than the document itself. And as GW has demonstrated this year - the Constitution is really no more sacrosanct than any other legal basis. It can, and may be ammended at such time as the public demands it.

The reason for the constitution was as a starting point on which to base US law when it became an entity unto itself. It set limits and a framework to seperate it from the existing British Common Law in use. But it's foundations were squarely taken from that same common law.

-Z-

The Queen killed Princess Die cauze she was of the People and not a royal inbred maggot

The Queen killed Princess Die cauze she was of the People and not a royal inbred maggot
Such God damned lies. Princess Dianna was the daughter of an Earl for crying out loud. She was a noble, albeit a fairly down to earth one. I wish people would stop making out like she was "of the people". She was no more of the people than the Royal family itself. None of this of course is to say that she shouldn't be popular or that she didn't do a lot of good or that she wasn't beloved, but really and truly, I'm sick of people misrepresenting her. I've had enough of the Princess Di as martyr arguments.

What's more, the Queen didn't kill her. If she did, the palace would've been a lot better prepared for her death and would've handled it a hell of a lot better than they actually did.

The Queen killed Princess Die cauze she was of the People and not a royal inbred maggot
Such God damned lies. Princess Dianna was the daughter of an Earl for crying out loud. She was a noble, albeit a fairly down to earth one. I wish people would stop making out like she was "of the people". She was no more of the people than the Royal family itself. None of this of course is to say that she shouldn't be popular or that she didn't do a lot of good or that she wasn't beloved, but really and truly, I'm sick of people misrepresenting her. I've had enough of the Princess Di as martyr arguments.

What's more, the Queen didn't kill her. If she did, the palace would've been a lot better prepared for her death and would've handled it a hell of a lot better than they actually did.

Ive read that during the Princesses funeral procession the wicked Queen had an icy smirk on her face

The Queen of England's pompous circumstance is the reason the British pay the highest of the world's taxes...

Its tradition. Why do americans keep the Imperial messuring system instead of the Metric system? My guess is tradition.

Sort of. I hear we tried to switch in the 70's but people couldn't get used to it. I'd like to go metric, except that I don't think I could get used to it either. The fact that this one guy is exactly one decimeter shorter than me only means something because I have him around for reference. I couldn't visualize a decimeter less than any other height. And forget about trying to understand how a box of pasta weighs the same as 455 paper clips. I could probably switch over to linear measure in metric, but I'd have a hard time with volume, and forget about weight/mass.

The Queen is an elitist in a house dress

Can't we ask the same question about Englaid as a whole? :lol:

I kid, I kid... I love all you bloody wanking limey sods!

HAAHAAAA.....

England having some of the highest taxes in the world? You got to be Fecking kidding me!

The Queen of the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN, not JUST England, costs the taxpayer £30-40 Million per year to run, running a great profit on the interest she earns from her jewellry and posessions and the amount of tourism she brings in.

Britains average tax rate is far lower than canada, sweden, the United States and Denmark and a whole host of other European nations, so think before you talk before you make these stupid arguments. Britain has some of the lowest taxes in the world and the monarchy the most famous and most profitable monarchy in the world.

On Princess Diana, the reason why the Queen did not like her was firstly, she divorced her son, any mother would be angry, secondly, she caused scandal in the relationships within the royal family and thirdly, SHE WAS SELF CENTRED. Yes! All that stuff she did was for the bloody camera, documentaries have shown she was! Now I'm not saying she wasn't a nice person, but to justify getting rid of the Queen on the basis that she "could have" assassinated the Princess is absurd.

She is not a martyr, she is an ordinary princess who died in a car crash and who did some nice things in her life, nothing more nothing less.

Also, don't believe everything you read in the papers and also, the Queen wasn't in the Princesses funeral procession, it was Prince Charles and his children that walked behind it. The Queen was not.

On the matter of Scotland. SHE IS YOUR QUEEN, she descended from King James, She is PRETTY MUCH SCOTTISH, her home in Balmoral, she and the family spend half her bloody time in Scotland, so how the bloody hell can you say she is not your damned Queen!

Also if we were to abolish the monarchy, what would we replace it with? A President? And how much more money would that cost? Just the same if not more and who the hell would want to come to the UK to see a newly founded shitty President? I sure as hell wouldn't hell, if he were to come anywhere near me, i'd kick his arse from here back to the United States where Presidents should stay.

On the matter that whatever the people could come up with would be better than the monarchy, bollocks. They'd be susceptible to corruption and would cost even more money in democracy, creating elections not to mention an entirely new system for Parliament to run by.

On the matter where they take money from taxes and not seeing where they bring it back from, you my friend are so naive it amazes even me. Tourism, interest on jewellery and the amount of sport and culture the Queen supports in Scotland, the Highland games etc. She does so much for Scotland and you repay her with ingrattitude and disgust. She protects you from an oppressive parliament if it were to ever happen and thios is the way you see her. No person can have the Authority of the Queen, that is the majesty of royalty and it is through that parliament is controlled.

To abolish the monarchy would be to abolishy the entire United Kingdom of Great Britain and that my friends would absolish the United Kingdom from our name and the word Great from the country as This country would not be a Kingdom, but a republic and it would be great no longer but weak, foolish and stupid.

HAAHAAAA.....

England having some of the highest taxes in the world? You got to be Fecking kidding me!

The Queen of the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN, not JUST England, costs the taxpayer £30-40 Million per year to run, running a great profit on the interest she earns from her jewellry and posessions and the amount of tourism she brings in.

Britains average tax rate is far lower than canada, sweden, the United States and Denmark and a whole host of other European nations, so think before you talk before you make these stupid arguments. Britain has some of the lowest taxes in the world and the monarchy the most famous and most profitable monarchy in the world.

On Princess Diana, the reason why the Queen did not like her was firstly, she divorced her son, any mother would be angry, secondly, she caused scandal in the relationships within the royal family and thirdly, SHE WAS SELF CENTRED. Yes! All that stuff she did was for the bloody camera, documentaries have shown she was! Now I'm not saying she wasn't a nice person, but to justify getting rid of the Queen on the basis that she "could have" assassinated the Princess is absurd.

She is not a martyr, she is an ordinary princess who died in a car crash and who did some nice things in her life, nothing more nothing less.

Also, don't believe everything you read in the papers and also, the Queen wasn't in the Princesses funeral procession, it was Prince Charles and his children that walked behind it. The Queen was not.

On the matter of Scotland. SHE IS YOUR QUEEN, she descended from King James, She is PRETTY MUCH SCOTTISH, her home in Balmoral, she and the family spend half her bloody time in Scotland, so how the bloody hell can you say she is not your damned Queen!

Also if we were to abolish the monarchy, what would we replace it with? A President? And how much more money would that cost? Just the same if not more and who the hell would want to come to the UK to see a newly founded shitty President? I sure as hell wouldn't hell, if he were to come anywhere near me, i'd kick his arse from here back to the United States where Presidents should stay.

On the matter that whatever the people could come up with would be better than the monarchy, bollocks. They'd be susceptible to corruption and would cost even more money in democracy, creating elections not to mention an entirely new system for Parliament to run by.

On the matter where they take money from taxes and not seeing where they bring it back from, you my friend are so naive it amazes even me. Tourism, interest on jewellery and the amount of sport and culture the Queen supports in Scotland, the Highland games etc. She does so much for Scotland and you repay her with ingrattitude and disgust. She protects you from an oppressive parliament if it were to ever happen and thios is the way you see her. No person can have the Authority of the Queen, that is the majesty of royalty and it is through that parliament is controlled.

To abolish the monarchy would be to abolishy the entire United Kingdom of Great Britain and that my friends would absolish the United Kingdom from our name and the word Great from the country as This country would not be a Kingdom, but a republic and it would be great no longer but weak, foolish and stupid.

A full and reasoned argument, of which I am in full agreement. If it comes to a choice between a president and our Queen, I would take our Queen. She is one of the reasons our country is so great. Long live the Queen!!

Shes a welfare Queen--put that heifer to work

Living in scotland, ruled by another countries monarchy

Actually, it was the Stuarts, monarchs of Scotland, that took over after Liz I dies childless, so strictly speaking its the English that are ruled by a foreign monarch, up until the Sachs Coubergs took over later on that is...

After all, the current lot are German!

If any country can complain about being ruled by a foreign monarchy, its us Welsh, do you remember the bombs that went off when they tried to invest Prince Charles? Our real prince was actually killed by the English years ago...

HAAHAAAA.....

England having some of the highest taxes in the world? You got to be Fecking kidding me!

The Queen of the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN, not JUST England, costs the taxpayer £30-40 Million per year to run, running a great profit on the interest she earns from her jewellry and posessions and the amount of tourism she brings in.

Britains average tax rate is far lower than canada, sweden, the United States and Denmark and a whole host of other European nations, so think before you talk before you make these stupid arguments. Britain has some of the lowest taxes in the world and the monarchy the most famous and most profitable monarchy in the world.

On Princess Diana, the reason why the Queen did not like her was firstly, she divorced her son, any mother would be angry, secondly, she caused scandal in the relationships within the royal family and thirdly, SHE WAS SELF CENTRED. Yes! All that stuff she did was for the bloody camera, documentaries have shown she was! Now I'm not saying she wasn't a nice person, but to justify getting rid of the Queen on the basis that she "could have" assassinated the Princess is absurd.

She is not a martyr, she is an ordinary princess who died in a car crash and who did some nice things in her life, nothing more nothing less.

Also, don't believe everything you read in the papers and also, the Queen wasn't in the Princesses funeral procession, it was Prince Charles and his children that walked behind it. The Queen was not.

On the matter of Scotland. SHE IS YOUR QUEEN, she descended from King James, She is PRETTY MUCH SCOTTISH, her home in Balmoral, she and the family spend half her bloody time in Scotland, so how the bloody hell can you say she is not your damned Queen!

Also if we were to abolish the monarchy, what would we replace it with? A President? And how much more money would that cost? Just the same if not more and who the hell would want to come to the UK to see a newly founded shitty President? I sure as hell wouldn't hell, if he were to come anywhere near me, i'd kick his arse from here back to the United States where Presidents should stay.

On the matter that whatever the people could come up with would be better than the monarchy, bollocks. They'd be susceptible to corruption and would cost even more money in democracy, creating elections not to mention an entirely new system for Parliament to run by.

On the matter where they take money from taxes and not seeing where they bring it back from, you my friend are so naive it amazes even me. Tourism, interest on jewellery and the amount of sport and culture the Queen supports in Scotland, the Highland games etc. She does so much for Scotland and you repay her with ingrattitude and disgust. She protects you from an oppressive parliament if it were to ever happen and thios is the way you see her. No person can have the Authority of the Queen, that is the majesty of royalty and it is through that parliament is controlled.

To abolish the monarchy would be to abolishy the entire United Kingdom of Great Britain and that my friends would absolish the United Kingdom from our name and the word Great from the country as This country would not be a Kingdom, but a republic and it would be great no longer but weak, foolish and stupid.
Well said. You did not mention however that she hands over all money made from land and rents to the Gov to spend as they wish, the amount in 2000 was a few million over the civil list payments. Liz tell them to stuff the civli list up thier arse, raise all your rents and turn a huge profit.

Most of her land is owned by the state, and all land in the UK is actually vested in the crown, she may live where she wishes strictly speaking, giving money to no one!

Much of the "Crown lands" in Canada is beautiful territory.

Frankly, the list of arguments why the Queen should stay would be endless. As for the welsh, I do understand their position but there is little we can do. I do however believe that the Welsh should be given greater recognition within the United Kingdom, their dragon on the UK flag perhaps, but that does not excuse the fact that the Queen is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britian, of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, Head of the Commonwealth, protector of the faith and defender of the realm.

Why abolish an institution that is the very essence of the British way of life and the entire checks and balances system for the UK Political system that the US so pride themselves on. The Queen keeps parliament in check and the Queen protects her subjects from Parliament. To say she is not the Queen and a welfare hogger or whatever is unjustified as she does more for this country than I would, than a whole heap of other people.

Now if you think that wrong because she was born into the institution, I can't change that opinion, but I can damned sure ridicule it and I for one and many others have come up with a whole raft of arguments against any such abolition.

Well said. You did not mention however that she hands over all money made from land and rents to the Gov to spend as they wish, the amount in 2000 was a few million over the civil list payments. Liz tell them to stuff the civli list up thier arse, raise all your rents and turn a huge profit.

If the monarchy were actually abolished and the royal family made into private citizens, think of what they could do with all their posessions- now privately owned and able to be used for private income instead of having the revenue passed over the the government.

I don't think the Queen or the Monarchy do any harm, really. Speaking as a foreigner studying in (and hoping to immigrate to) the UK, I think the monarchy is great!

As for the welsh, I do understand their position but there is little we can do. I do however believe that the Welsh should be given greater recognition within the United Kingdom, their dragon on the UK flag perhaps, but that does not excuse the fact that the Queen is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britian, of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, Head of the Commonwealth, protector of the faith and defender of the realm.


It is on the flag- the Welsh dragon is hiding in the red bits, cunningly camoulflaged

If the Brits want to keep their Queen then great. They're lucky in that they have a rich history with the Monarchy. It's part of their tradition and all the better for it. British history is one the most interesting to read about. The Queen is far more than just a figurehead or tourist attraction, she is part of what makes Britain great!!

Already 9 pages, didn't read them all, but who's picture would the Canadian's put on their money if it weren't for the Queen?

I disagree with monarchy on the grounds that I believe in social equality, etc. However, I'm a fairly relaxed republican for the following reasons:

1) QE2 is OK (as monarchs go).

2) A small majority of the UK's population want to keep the monarchy. As long as that's the case, I'm content for them to stay. I would like to see them substantially slimmed down (there's popular backing in the UK for doing this). However, this isn't the best reason for keeping the monarchy, as majority rule isn't necessarily worth acquiescing to. Unfortunately, a majority of Brits would vote to bring back capital punishment (which is now completely illegal in the UK, thankfully).

3) We have no idea how to replace the monarchy. Where's the republican blueprint?

4) Chances are, a president would be elected. In recent polls, Richard Branson would be favourite. On this basis, I don't think we deserve a fair and democratic system...

As for other points: I'd like to see the Welsh dragon on the flag, the comment about all the land the monarchy would enrich themselves with as private citizens is a good one, the imperial system is cack and Icke's clearly wrong - they're bodysnatchers bidding to enslave us all.

Yeah, slow day at work.

Actually some 64% of the country want to Monarchy to remain. That, as far as opinion polls go is a HUGE majority.

The Queen is a fat welfare slob living off the labors of others like a parasitial slug

The Queen is a fat welfare slob living off the labors of others like a parasitial slug
She's not living off your labours, so why the hell do you care?

the better to EAT you with my dear!

Actually she makes money, not takes money. True she does get grants from the taxpayers, but then she hands over hundreds of millions in interest payments and rent revenues from her properties and land over to the civil service for them to spend, not to mention the billions she creates in tourism etc.

If you should be complaining, you should be complaining about ordinary people living off the state not wanting to work because they can get more money from welfare than by working.

Actually she makes money, not takes money. True she does get grants from the taxpayers, but then she hands over hundreds of millions in interest payments and rent revenues from her properties and land over to the civil service for them to spend, not to mention the billions she creates in tourism etc.

If you should be complaining, you should be complaining about ordinary people living off the state not wanting to work because they can get more money from welfare than by working.

Sure that's the only reason why people are unemployed :roll:

An article for an abandonment of the monarchy rfom a non economic view point:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,407471,00.html

a few more for general interest:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/constitution/comment/0,9236,1116264,00.html (this one is one reform of it)

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/constitution/comment/0,9236,1082299,00.html (by Tony Benn)

PS How does she make money? I looked up www.royal.gov.uk for research on an essay I'm writing and it looked like she had a too full a day to make money.

If you should be complaining, you should be complaining about ordinary people living off the state not wanting to work because they can get more money from welfare than by working.

Sure that's the only reason why people are unemployed :roll:

Where did Tagria say that this was the only reason why people are unemployed? He was simply trying to say that people who do this (i.e. taking welfare because it gives them a higher profit than working) are the ones you should be complaining about. I love the way you take the comment out of context
You're being irrelevant. The point Tagria was trying to make is that whereas the person in the above example really is a parasite on the taxpayer, the queen 'hands over hundreds of millions in interest payments and rent revenues from her properties and land over to the civil service for them to spend, not to mention the billions she creates in tourism etc.'

PS How does she make money? I looked up www.royal.gov.uk for research on an essay I'm writing and it looked like she had a too full a day to make money.

Another wonderful irrelevancy. What part of 'hands over hundreds of millions in interest payments and rent revenues from her properties and land over to the civil service for them to spend' do you not understand?

You can't get rid of the Royal Family. They are a symbol of Britain and plus, they're far too interesting to get rid off.

If we are not careful, this could be said of Big Brother (it apparently fulfils the the second point).

Well, as it goes I am a huge fan of BB.

Sure, it may cost money in Britain to keep the Queen, but, as far as I can see, we don't do too badly.
I think that the American "Americans see everybody as their social equal" argument is b.s
Everybody in Britain sees each other as their social equal!
I don't think of the Queen and say "There is somebody clearly my superior."
I don't think the queen thinks the opposite about me when she sees the public.
America is not the only place in the world that lives in an equal society
(And racism is a huge issue in America, as it is in the rest of the world)
Also, if any politician was president, then they would naturally have clear political views. Since the queen has to deal with both the conservative and labour parties, she is well versed in both parties philosophy, and can have a far more unbiased opinion.
She also has the ability to choose a prime minister, if the result is closely contested. This means if a far left or far right candidate may be elected, he (or she) may not become prime minister.
Finally, the reason that the Americans want the queen disbanded is because with her, we have something the Yanks lack.
Culture!
Don't be so jealous, just because you're little.
(Thats a joke. Don't right back all inflamed and angry, because I'll have to laugh.)

Jordaxia, come now it's not a joke it is completely true. The colonies are always trying to equal us, but they just cant make it. :lol:

"If you should be complaining, you should be complaining about ordinary people living off the state not wanting to work because they can get more money from welfare than by working."

I don't think The Great Leveller was taking Tagria's comment out of context. Tagria was singling out a specific group for condemnation when they could have been more general, given the subject matter. So, to redress this imbalance, I'll add tax-dodging wealthy individuals and corporations and the accountants that facilitate their actions. Actions that are far more costly than those of welfare 'parasites'. If everyone paid the taxes they were meant to, the tax rate would fall...

I digress. Tagria quoted 64% support for the monarchy. Given that no comprehensive survey of public opinion on this issue has been undertaken, this statistic is meaningless.

DP

The laws of Treason should be enforced against republicans - Republics are only for the unwashed

The laws of Treason should be enforced against republicans - Republics are only for the unwashed

The laws of Treason should be enforced against republicans - Republics are only for the unwashed

The laws of Treason should be enforced against republicans - Republics are only for the unwashed

A ha ha ha ha.

You mean the one that proscribes execution for high treason?

Doesn't exist, the EU didn't like it, the ECHR, which was incorporated into the British constitution in 1998(9?), stopped its legality as a form of punishment. Looks like my head is staying on my shoulders then.

PS. The unwashed aren't that bad. Eventually they begin to be able to handle the lack of washing and don't smell bad. Anyway the unwashed are better that the terminally stupid who still believe in birthright.

Doesn't exist, the EU didn't like it, the ECHR, which was incorporated into the British constitution in 1998(9?), stopped its legality as a form of punishment. Looks like my head is staying on my shoulders then.

Council of Europe mate, not the EU.

Anyways, the unwashed have always supported the Royal family (gawd bless 'em) rather more than the rest of the population.

Council of Europe mate, not the EU.

Anyways, the unwashed have always supported the Royal family (gawd bless 'em) rather more than the rest of the population.

Well I live and learn.

Actually she makes money, not takes money. True she does get grants from the taxpayers, but then she hands over hundreds of millions in interest payments and rent revenues from her properties and land over to the civil service for them to spend,

So you're arguing that the Queen giving back a fraction of the money she takes from tax payers to civil servants is making money for Britain? She's not generating any money for herself from herself. She's not working for her upkeep other than through her minor work as occasional ambassador. Oh, and breathing. The money she gives to civil servants is tax money to begin with, and frankly, it should have stayed where it was if all it's doing is supporting civil servants because she needs so much blinking living room.

not to mention the billions she creates in tourism etc.

How nice for London. A city which apparently couldn't generate a tourist trade without a Queen despite its architecture, ridiculous number of museums, culture in general and fantastically huge shops.

I know what the royal family would do an exelent job as....
Political pressure, If somebody just could catch them old dust collectors first.....