NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/596956760

i SIGNED.

Nice to see you think a ball of cells is more important than a person.

people dont abort balls of cells. actual; babies are aborted for convenience.

I take a moderate stance on abortion

people dont abort balls of cells. actual; babies are aborted for convenience.

Wonderful, perhaps then you'll offer us your enlightened definition which will clearly prove that your opinion is objectively correct. I've been waiting some time for one of these - so, let's hear it.

abortion should be legal methinks..

i feel like starting a petition to ban all religion all of a sudden...
children of ultrareligious parents should have a choice! the choice of not being indoctrinated.

Let's make it clear: you stay of womens right to abort an unwanted child and i'll stay of your right to go to a church.

I'm thinking of starting a proposal to ban all bans on abortion.

i feel like starting a petition to ban all religion all of a sudden...
children of ultrareligious parents should have a choice! the choice of not being indoctrinated.

Let's make it clear: you stay of womens right to abort an unwanted child and i'll stay of your right to go to a church.

Indeed. Its called Secularism. America seems to say it is, but it isn't.
Thank God (so to speak) for Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys. Perhaps they will soon be known as God Hating Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.

There's no doubt in my mind that abortion is murder, and I think it should be illegal except for in extenuating circumstances (Mother's life threatened, rape).

But my question is this: At what stage should abortion be illegal? Should it be outlawed even at the beginning, when the fetus is just a collection of cells? Where do we draw the line of what we classify as "human?"

In the first trimester, the fetus is undveloped and for the most part a clot of cells; hardly even human. In the developmental stages, the unborn child will be unable to survive outside his/her mother's womb. It is once the pregnancy enters the second trimester than abortion should not be used, but instead a C-section IF the mother's life is at stake.

As for rape being murder, I'd be more inclined to say a form of suicide because the child is living off you. Therefore, when you kill it, you have killed a part of yourself. You didn't kill another life, you instead have killed something that is part of you.

I won't sign it. Womens' right to choice, blah blah blah. Nice try.

A baby is a baby. A foetus is a foetus.

That is how it is and if a God exists then that is how he created it!

A baby is not a foetus.

*Mental note to self, stay away from this thread after this post*

Women's right to choose.. women's right to choose... yes, that's the correct answer!

i think free speech should be illegal because im sick and tired of hearing about abortion, gay rights, war on iraq, bush`s intelligence, etc.

im only half joking.

i think free speech should be illegal because im sick and tired of hearing about abortion, gay rights, war on iraq, bush`s intelligence, etc.

im only half joking.

Hehe hey Kisarazu , you could start a "Last one to post here wins" thread then.. LMAO :wink:

To add to "Women's choice." Making abortion illegal won't make it go away. Women will continue to get abortions from back street doctors, which is dangerous for mother and fetus (Yes I know about the logic there). As far as I know, Abortion was legalised because of this, rather than Satan taking over the governments in the West

Do this, and you will be on your way to converting me to 'pro-life.'

To fully do it you will also need to

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.

perhaps, but im far to lazy to start any threads right now. and far to sore. i might start a bush-hate thread, just for the fun of it tho. :wink:
that would be kinda fun...

To add to "Women's choice." Making abortion illegal won't make it go away. Women will continue to get abortions from back street doctors, which is dangerous for mother and fetus (Yes I know about the logic there). As far as I know, Abortion was legalised because of this, rather than Satan taking over the governments in the West

Do this, and you will be on your way to converting me to 'pro-life.'

To fully do it you will also need to

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.

good argument.

So if all you religious people don't want to abort, don't abort. Why can't people who want to just do it? Their womb, their business. Stay out of it.

To add to "Women's choice." Making abortion illegal won't make it go away. Women will continue to get abortions from back street doctors, which is dangerous for mother and fetus (Yes I know about the logic there). As far as I know, Abortion was legalised because of this, rather than Satan taking over the governments in the West

Do this, and you will be on your way to converting me to 'pro-life.'

To fully do it you will also need to

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.

good argument.

Agreed!

(Didn't I say I would stay away from this thread? heh ;) )

As for rape being murder, I'd be more inclined to say a form of suicide because the child is living off you. Therefore, when you kill it, you have killed a part of yourself. You didn't kill another life, you instead have killed something that is part of you.

I'm not sure if I agree with that or not, but I found beauty in your words. :)

So if all you religious people don't want to abort, don't abort. Why can't people who want to just do it? Their womb, their business. Stay out of it.

exactly. if you don't want an abortion then don't have one, but quit bossing other people around just because you're bored and think God wants you to be a jerk to everybody.

A baby is a baby. A foetus is a foetus.

That is how it is and if a God exists then that is how he created it!

A baby is not a foetus.In that case, when is a "foetus" considered a baby?

A baby is a baby. A foetus is a foetus.

That is how it is and if a God exists then that is how he created it!

A baby is not a foetus.In that case, when is a "foetus" considered a baby?

Not something I have ever thought about before. I suppose it is when is able to existwithout the mother

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.1) Cannot be proved, but most have severe regret later.
2)Prove that a fetus is not a human. A fetus has human DNA, forms in a human, and becomes a human. Nothing else does.
3)Most women who have abortions end up being sterile. It's a dangerous procedure.

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.1) Cannot be proved, but most have severe regret later.
2)Prove that a fetus is not a human. A fetus has human DNA, forms in a human, and becomes a human. Nothing else does.
3)Most women who have abortions end up being sterile. It's a dangerous procedure.


1)That is not a good enough answer
2)this is a moot point, I'll need to research it first
3)Proof? It's not a good enough reason, the arguement against tobacco is similar.

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.1) Cannot be proved, but most have severe regret later.
2)Prove that a fetus is not a human. A fetus has human DNA, forms in a human, and becomes a human. Nothing else does.
3)Most women who have abortions end up being sterile. It's a dangerous procedure.

1) "Most" do not, actually. only 10 percent of women report feelings of regret after an abortion.
2) the burden of proof is on you to establish that a fetus is a human, since it is poor debating for us to try to prove a negative. anti-choice lobbies are trying to deny rights to citizens of this country, so it is up to them to provide sufficient reason for their actions.
3) you are completely wrong on the last point; in America and other countries where reproductive health care is supported, less than 3% of women suffer decrease fertility after having an abortion, and under 1% are completely unable to have future children. most of those tragic cases occur when an abortion has been performed in the third trimester do to medical complications that threatened the mother's life, as well.

however, in countries where abortion is illegal it is estimated that roughly 75% of women who undergo abortions will never be able to carry a child to term, even if they survive the complications from the often dangerous back-alley procedures. so your argument seems to SUPPORT legalized abortion, if you're trying to use women's health and reproductive safety as a point.

1) If i bring you a woman that wants an abortion, i disprove that no woman really wants an abortion.
2) a sperm cell has human DNA, forms in humans and becomes a human and this doesn't seem to imply that we consider a sperm cell a human.
3) I've never heard that women become sterile after an abortion. The procedure itself is not exactly dangerous (show me the mortality rates and tell me were they differ from, let's say, plastic surgery). This might have been the case when anti-abortion laws forced desperate women to revert to very unsafe methods.

people dont abort balls of cells. actual; babies are aborted for convenience.

*throws out some acorns*

Look, I just clear cut a forest. :roll:

Here's a thought. Pro-Life people often say "Well yeah, woman's choice, but what of the baby? Does it not get a choice?"
And then I think, do you ever bother to ask babies if they actually wanted to be born, or do you conveniently assume they do?

The back-alley arguement is silly. People like Ted Kennedy and other big abortion supporters say that if abortion is restricted women will go and get illegal ones, but the fact is before Roe v Wade back-alley abortions were a quite rare procedure. The arguement is sort of like "Well, if we don't legalize cocaine then people will go and get it illegaly, and it might be laced with LSD. So we should legalize cocaine."

Another thing thats funny is how the Democratic and Feminist spin machines have been able to move the issue away from abortion and to "choice". This is the only subject that this has been done on. Frankly, its quite insane. Just because I'm pro-death penalty dosen't meant that I want everyone thats a criminal to die. However, the arguement against calling the abortion debate by its real name : pro and anti-abortion, is that if your pro-abortion you'd want everyone to have an abortion. Playing with logical extremes is silly.

Speaking of post abortion things :
Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions.3,23,35 Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor.3

Not 10%, but not most either.

The only thing that always bugs me about this debate is that it always seems to be men against abortion. I am not saying always, but just from what I've heard.

In my opinion, the only time a man should have any say in this at all is if it is his child. Otherwise, men should mind their own damn business, because I doubt they will ever know the terror of learning you are pregnant under less than good circumstances, or even the thought that you might be pregnent.

In my opinion, the only time a man should have any say in this at all is if it is his child. Otherwise, men should mind their own damn business, because I doubt they will ever know the terror of learning you are pregnant under less than good circumstances, or even the thought that you might be pregnent.

Why stop at men? Shouldn't people only mind their own business all the time?

The fact that its only men pushing against abortion is a popular myth, but untrue.

NEW YORK-American women have moved markedly toward supporting the right to life, according to a poll released Wednesday by a feminist group.

On abortion, a prime topic for women, 53 percent of those surveyed in the poll conducted in mid-1998 said it should be illegal except for rape, incest and saving a woman's life, or else forbidden in all cases. That's an 8 percent shift away from a pro-abortion position in a poll done two years ago. "The changes on abortion are pretty dramatic," said Diane Colasanto of Princeton Survey Research Associates, which conducted the telephone survey for the pro-abortion Center for Gender Equality.

"We find some of the findings very disturbing," Faye Wattleton, president of the center, said in a teleconference with reporters. The survey was conducted among 1,000 women who were 18 and over. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percent.

The only thing that always bugs me about this debate is that it always seems to be men against abortion. I am not saying always, but just from what I've heard.

In my opinion, the only time a man should have any say in this at all is if it is his child. Otherwise, men should mind their own damn business, because I doubt they will ever know the terror of learning you are pregnant under less than good circumstances, or even the thought that you might be pregnent.

i disagree. that's like saying that white people can't talk about black rights, or straight people can't talk about gay rights. men have just as much right to discuss the issue as women do, and they have just as much interest in the subject from the perspective of a debate on the nature of human life.

that said, i don't think ANYBODY, male or female, has the slightest right to tell another human what to do with their own body. the only limitations that can be placed on that freedom are when it infringes on another human being's right to do the same, so until the anti-choice lobby proves a fetus is a human person they have no ground to stand on.

ok, i agree that of course men should be able to share their views and opinions on abortion, but I truely do not believe that they should be able to pass legislation against it.

No one has the right to tell people what to do with their bodies, but men telling women what to do with their bodies is something that has been happening for hundred of years, and so it is engrained in our culture. I know i sound like some wacky feminist, but i really am not. I used to be against abortion too, but then i hit puberty and realized the full abilities of the female body, and they are terrifying.

I am an 18 year old girl. I am old enough to drive, old enough to drink (in Canada), and old enough to vote, but i know for a fact that i am not old enough to deal with the emotional aspects of bearing a child, never mind raising one.

I know many people make the argument "then you're not old enough to have sex, blah blah blah," but life just isn't that simple.

ok, i agree that of course men should be able to share their views and opinions on abortion, but I truely do not believe that they should be able to pass legislation against it.

No one has the right to tell people what to do with their bodies, but men telling women what to do with their bodies is something that has been happening for hundred of years, and so it is engrained in our culture. I know i sound like some wacky feminist, but i really am not. I used to be against abortion too, but then i hit puberty and realized the full abilities of the female body, and they are terrifying.

I am an 18 year old girl. I am old enough to drive, old enough to drink (in Canada), and old enough to vote, but i know for a fact that i am not old enough to deal with the emotional aspects of bearing a child, never mind raising one.

I know many people make the argument "then you're not old enough to have sex, blah blah blah," but life just isn't that simple.

i certainly can understand your feelings, and i agree that it is especially absurd for men to be making decisions about what happens to women's reproductive systems. just don't let women tell you what to do either...nobody knows better than you when it comes to your body.

Exactly :lol:

OMG, abortions nothing. I honestly dont think the baby will mind being destroyed. If it did, it'd speak out.

abortion is infanticide no matter what liberals sugarcoat it with

abortion is infanticide no matter what liberals sugarcoat it with
For it to be infanticide first you need an infant. A fetus does not become an infant until after the woman shoots it out. :wink:

Also I would like to say that anyone who wants all forms of abortion to be outlawed doesn’t really know what abortion is. There are some forms of abortion that no law could protect. It would be pretty hard to stop a spontaneous abortion from taking place. :wink:

I instantly lose all respect who try to intitiate political change through thepetitionsite.com. Seriously, there's an entire political process for a reason, people, use it. Vote. I mean, come on. Do you think anyone takes these things to heart?

Reynes - "Prove that a fetus is not a human. A fetus has human DNA, forms in a human, and becomes a human. Nothing else does."

The onus is on proof positive, not proof negative. Anyway, regardless of when one defines 'foetus' and 'baby', it's got nothing to do with you (collective 'you', not Reynes specifically). You find yourself in that position then fine, bring up the child and best wishes to both of you. That's your choice. Stop interfering.

As for the issue of regret.......so? I've regretted many things in my life, does this mean that it's always wrong for everyone? Stop interfering.

Infertility - again, so? Abortion is not a decision to be taken lightly. There are risks. This doesn't make it immoral. Stop interfering.

Actually, bugger interfering - stop invading women's personal space, stop violating their ability to make their own choices, stop abusing people who may already be going through hell because the last thing they need is someone trying to increase their guilt and criminalise their actions.

Abortion is infanticide no matter what liberals sugarcoat it with.

So, do you truly, and honestly to God Himself believe that liberals do not support a ban on abortion merely because they enjoy seeing babies killed?

1)Prove that no woman really wants an abortion
2)A fetus is a human.
3)Give a reason, non-religious, why abortions should be illegal.1) Cannot be proved, but most have severe regret later.
2)Prove that a fetus is not a human. A fetus has human DNA, forms in a human, and becomes a human. Nothing else does.
3)Most women who have abortions end up being sterile. It's a dangerous procedure.

1) Of course they have regret. Even when a pregnancy is terminated because the child has a disease that will end its life soon after birth; they still have regret.
2) Chimps have 98.9% of our DNA? Are they more or less human?
3) Wrongo bongo. It does happan but not as often as you imply.

Their womb, their business. Stay out of it.


:lol: :lol: :lol: sorry I just couldn't help it! just made me laff - must be the Friday night feeling I have.

My opinion: there should be a right to choose abortion.

short opinion i know.

The back-alley arguement is silly. People like Ted Kennedy and other big abortion supporters say that if abortion is restricted women will go and get illegal ones, but the fact is before Roe v Wade back-alley abortions were a quite rare procedure.


Really? Care to state your source? Illegal abortions were going on for awhile. The practice of the back-alley was very rare.

Abortion gets banned women will simply find "under-ground" sources or make a quicky trip to Mexico. I would say Canada as well but I am not sure what their laws are like.


"The arguement is sort of like "Well, if we don't legalize cocaine then people will go and get it illegaly, and it might be laced with LSD. So we should legalize cocaine."


Now that is a silly argument.


Another thing thats funny is how the Democratic and Feminist spin machines have been able to move the issue away from abortion and to "choice". This is the only subject that this has been done on. Frankly, its quite insane.

It is a matter of choice. The anti-choice people(IE fundi Christians) want to force women to carry children. No matter what.

Sorry but I don't view a Downs Syndrome or Cystic Fibrosis as a gift or punishment by God.


Just because I'm pro-death penalty dosen't meant that I want everyone thats a criminal to die. However, the arguement against calling the abortion debate by its real name : pro and anti-abortion, is that if your pro-abortion you'd want everyone to have an abortion. Playing with logical extremes is silly.

Sounds like your playing with logical extremes to me....


Speaking of post abortion things :
Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions.3,23,35 Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor.3

Not 10%, but not most either.

State your source.....

That would be interesting to check. However, most of the anti-choice protesters I see are men.

The fact that its only men pushing against abortion is a popular myth, but untrue.

NEW YORK-American women have moved markedly toward supporting the right to life, according to a poll released Wednesday by a feminist group.

On abortion, a prime topic for women, 53 percent of those surveyed in the poll conducted in mid-1998 said it should be illegal except for rape, incest and saving a woman's life, or else forbidden in all cases. That's an 8 percent shift away from a pro-abortion position in a poll done two years ago. "The changes on abortion are pretty dramatic," said Diane Colasanto of Princeton Survey Research Associates, which conducted the telephone survey for the pro-abortion Center for Gender Equality.

"We find some of the findings very disturbing," Faye Wattleton, president of the center, said in a teleconference with reporters. The survey was conducted among 1,000 women who were 18 and over. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percent.

abortion is infanticide no matter what liberals sugarcoat it with

Whoops. Check out a dictionary.

It is only infantcide if it is born.

Abortion is infanticide no matter what liberals sugarcoat it with.

So, do you truly, and honestly to God Himself believe that liberals do not support a ban on abortion merely because they enjoy seeing babies killed?

They do make good eating!

At least what Fat Bastard says! :P

While I believe the thing is a matter of personal choice, I don't believe it should be done.

To say that you have a petition to ban it, is ridiculous. If you ban it you impose your personal view on another person. Now, I understand that some consider it murder, I myself consider it a nearly similar situation, however, that has yet to be defined by one person. No one person can define life. Even G-- hasn't come down and stated explicitly on a stone tablet what life is.

I urge relatively reasonable people that have not already signed to consider the ramifications of passing such a ban. I would never impose my view of anti-abortion on someone stalwartly against it. Similarly, I would not want a group pressuring me into smoking. Because the definition of harm is different and because people are different, offer freedoms before condemnation.

Deny condemning your neighborhood until you have walked a mile in his shoes. I don't think most people that try to ban abortion have had to deal with a situation where it personally affected them. When push comes to shove, that is when choice matters most; when you feel every emotion and implication in your decision that's when you come to a sincere conclusion. Its easy to rant and rave on an Internet forum, but life is a whole different story. Don't deny choice. To have only one option is one of the worst feelings in the world, particularly when that one option you can't possibly be sure about.

Whats wrong with it. It is a ball of cells. You kill hundreds of cells every day. They just fall off. They have DNA and if there DNA was put into a egg then it would become a baby (If fertalised) So by your argument killing you cells or rubbing your skin is Murder!

Abortian should be allowed and if you are against it by principle then you have a right to your own ideas. As for the things about if god made it happen then it should happen. It's called evoloution. It's called biology. It happens naturally. Their is no super being who controls us. If woman want to end something thats happening inside their bodys then let them.

Didn't that weirdo GW allready sign a statement yesterday that declares thousands...no...millions of women are "murderers" ?

"The arguement is sort of like "Well, if we don't legalize cocaine then people will go and get it illegaly, and it might be laced with LSD. So we should legalize cocaine."


Now that is a silly argument.


actually, it's a pretty good one. as we all should have learned from prohibition, keeping drugs illegal reduces purity, increases risk of toxic contaminants (like arsenic, drain cleaner, or other poisions) that are added to up volume or falsely inflate "potency", and prohibition also INCREASES the average number of people who abuse the drug in question. alcoholism was at an all-time per capita high in the US during prohibition...kind of makes you think. if drugs were legal and regulated the money from drug sales would be going to the government or to companies that employ honest American citizens, rather than into the pockets of criminals and drug czars in Colombia.

in both cases (abortion and drug use) one set of people are trying to create a victimless crime statute for no reason other than their personal beliefs on the subject. in both cases, making the given behavior illegal has been shown decisively to have negative impacts on the health and safety of the population. in both cases the civil rights of citizens are violated. in both cases there are countless millions and billions of dollars being wasted for no reason other than to boss adult citizens around.

what a waste.

well I don't think they're trying to create victimless crimes, so much as tehy believe abortion DOES have victims.

I don't believe that, but I'm just sayin...

well I don't think they're trying to create victimless crimes, so much as tehy believe abortion DOES have victims.

I don't believe that, but I'm just sayin...

yes, but they are utterly failing to establish that those victims exist. or, to be more precise, they are failing to establish that the "victims" of abortion are deserving of human status, such status being necessary for their legal recognition under the law as murder victims. until the anti-choice lobby can do that, they are not protecting anybody or anything, they are just trying to forward their own selfish agendas.

well I don't think they're trying to create victimless crimes, so much as tehy believe abortion DOES have victims.

I don't believe that, but I'm just sayin...

yes, but they are utterly failing to establish that those victims exist. or, to be more precise, they are failing to establish that the "victims" of abortion are deserving of human status, such status being necessary for their legal recognition under the law as murder victims. until the anti-choice lobby can do that, they are not protecting anybody or anything, they are just trying to forward their own selfish agendas.

Yes, for example, they often say "Well, if it should be the woman's choice, it should be the baby's choice too! Surely it should have a choice whether to live or die."
But do they ever bother asking the child whether it wants to be born before conceiving it? No, off course not. They automatically assume it does, or something.

Think about what WOULD happen if we were to ban abortion. I know some of you think its gross and icky that life is meant to be. Imagne all the HOME MADE DANGEROUS abortions that would happen. People will still do what they can to not have a child. What if a person isn't ready for children. Don't give me that bull of "they should of waited" No one now and days really waits.

Banning abortion would be great. No civilized country can reasonably allow such a repulsive procedure. We would have to increase government aid to those women who, for economic reasons, are unable to support their children, but want them nevertheless and who currently choose to abort. And for those who don't want their children, well, the supply of potential adoptive parents who want newborns stands at more than 1 million. And as for any doctor who breaks the law and aborts regardless? Life in jail.
In a perfect world, this would happen. But this is America, 2004. Oh well, one can only dream :(

Edit : Dp

That would be interesting to check. However, most of the anti-choice protesters I see are men.

OK here you go, since you don't want to believe the info... :

Here's a CBS poll about abortion. Its been a while since I did those posts, so I don't have the exact site in my memory, however this serves just the same purpose :

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml

Men beat out women in both "Generally Available" and "Partially Available" by 3 points, Women beat out men in "Not Permitted" by 4 points. And of course statistics take precedence over personal anecdotes.

Of course this is from an anti-abortion site, however the polls are polls. Whether you believe the polling source is credible is another question :

http://www.euthanasia.com/polls99.html
It then gives credit to the "National Right to Life
A survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates for the pro-abortion Center for Gender Equality found that 53 percent of American women think abortion at least should be illegal except for rape, incest and saving the mother's life. In The American Freshman survey, conducted by the University of California at Los Angeles and the American Council of Education, freshman support for legal abortion fell to 50.9 percent, from 53.5 percent in 1997 and 64.9 percent in 1990.

That cites the same poll that I originally posted. Here is are also two other polls, one from CNN/USA by Gallup and the other from the Natoinal Constitution Center :

http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/major_proposals_detail2.cfm?issue_type=abortion&proposal_graphic=majpropabortionstanceRF.jpg

Finally, this poll from CNN again : and 55% say abortion should be legal only under certain rare circumstances such as rape, incest or to save the life of the mother (which account for only 3% of all abortions).
http://www.liferesource.net/polls.htm

Really? Care to state your source? Illegal abortions were going on for awhile. The practice of the back-alley was very rare.

Abortion gets banned women will simply find "under-ground" sources or make a quicky trip to Mexico. I would say Canada as well but I am not sure what their laws are like.
Exactly, thats what you said what I was saying : The practice of the back-alley was rare. People like to say that of Roe v Wade were overturned, though, that every woman would flock to a back alley.

It is a matter of choice. The anti-choice people(IE fundi Christians) want to force women to carry children. No matter what.

Sorry but I don't view a Downs Syndrome or Cystic Fibrosis as a gift or punishment by God.
Yes well lets play games shall we? Anti-lifers want to make every woman have an abortion no matter what. Isn't it fun playing with extremes? The whole point of that part of my post, is that the Democractic tack on it was that of choice, while basically every other issue isn't about "choice", however the Dems are too afraid to actually call it an abortion because they know that has much less support than "choice".

State your source.....
Well, I'll try and find the exact poll of people who've had abortions, however 78% of Americans strongly agree that women who have had abortions experience emotional trauma, such as grief and regret. Wirthlin, January 1998
http://www.liferesource.net/polls.htm

I realize thats Americans and not just people who've had abortions, however as its time-consuming to sift through all these websites, I'll find it and post/edit it later.