NationStates Jolt Archive

This is a thread about camouflage, and whether and how it works. Personally, my military uses most of the patterns below:

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/images/blue%20woodland%20camouflage.gif

Standard issue for sailors and sea borne Border Guards

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/images/city%20camouflage.gif

Urban camouflage #1

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/images/urban%20woodland%20camouflage.gif

Urban camouflage #2

Experimental Digital prototypes:

http://www.mcaroy.com/digital%20camouflage/urban_MARPAT.jpg
Digital Urban camouflage

http://www.sew-lexicon.com/Camouflage/Camouflage_digital_woodland.JPG

Digital Woodland camo

http://www.sew-lexicon.com/Camouflage/Camouflage_digital_desert.JPG
Digital Desert Camo

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/302_uniform/bdu_02/city_urban_camo_usmc_02.jpg
Experimental USMC camo

Another great site for camo from all around the world:
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/WorldCamouflage.htm

So now, the million dollar question; does all this camo work? Can it work? Yes? No? Why not?

That last one doesn't belong to the Marines. In fact I've never seen it before. And I've personally never seen a military person of any country with the blue camo. I always thought that was created for commercial civilian interest. The marines have a standard jungle theme digi, similar to the larger picture, and it is currently being issued.

Also your two jungle "urban" sets aren't quite on. They look commercialized.

The blue one is actually a camouflage pattern used by the Chinese Marine forces. Also, the urban camouflage is not commercialized; rather it is experimental, and has yet to be instated in American military forces, although Chinese military forces already own them and issue them to their paratroopers. Digital camo is also experimental, and serving wiht the Marines. As for hte last blue pattern, the website said "experimental camo" but mayb it wasnt...

I have heard a rumor that the USAF(real life) is thinking about using blue BDUs(Battle Dress Uniforms for you civvies, or camis whatever you want to call them) its so they can be a little bit more different from the Army. Now this is only a rumor i heard, it could totally wrong

I have heard a rumor that the USAF(real life) is thinking about using blue BDUs(Battle Dress Uniforms for you civvies, or camis whatever you want to call them) its so they can be a little bit more different from the Army. Now this is only a rumor i heard, it could totally wrong

No, that's correct. As I last understood it, we will soon be phasing out BDU's in favor of the all blue BDU, similar to the Navy's khaki working uniform. Personally, I think it's stupid, and I really hope the PJ's and CCT's get to keep the original BDU's. I can't see blue being helpful in combat. I'm not sure the Army has anything to do with it officially, but who knows?

Other than that, I don't care that much, because if all goes according to plan, I get my pilot slot and get to wear a flight suit. :D

Other than that, I don't care that much, because if all goes according to plan, I get my pilot slot and get to wear a flight suit. :D


What do you fly? And you're in the American Air Force?

And you're right... sky blue doesnt really help in an all GREEN environment...unless ur in a water combat zone or something

Who knows?

That last one doesn't belong to the Marines. In fact I've never seen it before. And I've personally never seen a military person of any country with the blue camo. I always thought that was created for commercial civilian interest. The marines have a standard jungle theme digi, similar to the larger picture, and it is currently being issued.

Also your two jungle "urban" sets aren't quite on. They look commercialized.

A heads up on USMC Camouflage (http://www.yuma.usmc.mil/pao/readarticle.asp?article=58)

Also - Google "Digitized Camouflage" And get much more info.

For a real look forward consider this;

"The latest camouflage is so technologically advanced that it prevents detection from thermal imaging by locking in its heat signal and any sweat. Of course, it doesn't protect you from olfactory detection.

Camouflage now comes in all colors, for all seasons. Future plans for camouflage include incorporating nanotechnology, where microsensors the size of dust particles will be embedded into the fibers of the uniforms. They'll detect the exact color of the battlefield, and change -- like chameleons -- to reflect that color."

I saw this on TechTV's "Future Fighting Machines" (http://www.techtv.com/futurefightingmachines/story/0,24330,3383186,00.html).
:shock:

I like "Saftey Orange" That way no one will accidentally get shot.

Gaeltach, it is my understanding that blues blend better into concrete shadows, and so are included in many urban schemes.

Asian reproduction of digital camouflage

http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0080.jpg

American MARPAT (Marine Pattern)
http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0050.jpg

Canadian Disruptive pattern (CADPAT)
http://www.worlduniformkeith.com/image/0108.jpg

wut do u guys think? Many differences? none at all? or similar but not there?

http://www.hyperstealth.com/fracture/

And how do you feel about its effectivity?

No chance of the infantryman adopting dazzle camoflague, then?

haha they'd make themselves a target

Gaeltach, it is my understanding that blues blend better into concrete shadows, and so are included in many urban schemes.

I recently had this clarified, and apologize for any miscommunication or straight up misinformation presented earlier.

The new USAF BDU's will in fact be blue, but tiger-striped and modeled after the current woodland pattern. According to our cadre, they are being instituted for several reasons. For one, it sets us apart from the other branches a bit. For another, it actually does help with camoflague. On a flightline, the blue and gray tiger-stripes are difficult to distinguish against the tarmac.

That said, they are not a blanket uniform. Just like we have desert BDU's for those operations, ABM's, PJ's, and other combat oriented personnel will be issued patterns as necessary for the mission environment.

http://www.kyang.ang.af.mil/0309/030904.htm