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Well, Tony Valeri has secured the Liberal nomination for the riding of Hamilton East-Stony Creek. Even though he doesn't even live there.

And Sheila Copps is left out in the cold.

I think that it was a conspiracy designed to get rid of her for good. Paul Martin wasn't satisfied with making her a backbencher. He had to get rid of her. Even Jean Chretien left Paul Martin in Cabinet for a while before removing him. Paul Martin didn't offer Sheila Copps that.

btw, I am actually a so-con ndp, but i do appreciate the contributions of sheila copps.

Blah, blah, blah... Yes, we know Martin is an asshole.

Tony Valeri looks like a child molestor. He needs to get a haircut or something.

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Tony Valeri looks like a child molestor. He needs to get a haircut or something.

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eeew! I hope someone puts him out of his misery... eeeee... ;)

Ok, so we know your opinions on Tony Valeri/Paul Martin (the two are like one man in my mind) What about Sheila Copps? What does everyone think about her?

Ok, so if no one will share, I will. I think that Sheila Copps has made a large contribution in the arena of women's rights. She deserves her riding back. I think Paul Martin should have even given her a spot in Cabinet. Even Jean Chretien gave Paul Martin finance minister for a while before Chretien removed Martin. Martin gave Copps no time, and even pushed her out of her riding. And now we have a woman in Heritage who doesn't even know what she's doing. Bring back Sheila Copps!

Damn foreign politics...

Where are you from?

not shocked by this. Look how the progressive conservatives handled their leadership convention, everyone running was given an important job, no bad taste
Sheila Copps is gonna join the NDP. Liberals are just making mistakes left and right

The NDP won't let Sheila Copps join.
"My party is not a consolation prize" --Jack Layton
I think that Sheila Copps should have gone to the NDP when she had a chance. But now that chance is gone. I wonder what she will do now that she's not in politics. Maybe just retire (she has a pension)

Who gives a shit about Canadian federal politics? Not like anything matters. Has anyone seen Rick Mercers Monday report where he explained why the Liberals will rule Canada forever? Hilarious. AND true. I dont think it matters who we vote for, we will get the same jerk-offs no matter what, and im happy as long as it's not Stockwell 'Doris' Day, who seemed even more stupid than George Bush (remember the Dinosaurs MUST have lived at the same time as humans...jesus....) but perhaps that's because Alberta is the Texas of the North. I just vote for the most worthy opposition, and even this scandal won't get the Liberals booted, because, hey! non of the others are really any better.

...Alberta is the Texas of the North.

I usually refer to it as Texas Junior.

:lol: superb :lol:

I hate the fact that things are changing. I rallied behind those who oppose the shifting economic reality. "It only real if you make it real". But Canada is in an international system, and we have to address the consensus unless you support pure isolationism. How would that work? I support Martins move to put education as a policy priority. There is not enough money to go around, and the budget is a good start. Perhaps we should cut back on corporate welfare ( of course!), but then we may see investment flood into other countries. IT SUCKS but what can we do about it?

Huxleyia, i really don't understand what you are trying to say, perhaps because im friggin tired, perhaps not.

What exactly is Canada's "shifting economic reality?" Since when has Canada considered isolationalism? Canada started out as a colony for the English that provided the raw materials (lumber, furs, fish) for many of the products they needed in their country, and Canada would still pretty much cease to exist , seeing as exports count for about 45-46% Canada's GDP.

And i'm sure that the only way we will see forein investment leave the contry is if our dollar rises much higher, and it no longer becomes worth it to purchase goods from our beautiful country.

This is the most exhilarating thread I have ever read.

I'm kinda disapointed that Jack Layton refused SHeila Copps
I thought it would help the NDP in becoming the main opposition

I'm kinda disapointed that Jack Layton refused SHeila Copps
I thought it would help the NDP in becoming the main opposition

Can someone be legally barred from joining a party?

I'm kinda disapointed that Jack Layton refused SHeila Copps
I thought it would help the NDP in becoming the main opposition

Can someone be legally barred from joining a party?

Madrigals, I agree. Kantletar, I think so, because both Grant Devine and Larry Spencer were refused from their parties. I think it depends on the individual party rules, but I'm not sure.

If I were Sheila Copps. . .

Well, I would have joined the NDP when I had the chance.

Assuming that I can't go back in time. . .

I would take the opportunity to look back at my life and take stock. Maybe write another book or something. Then, in four years time or so, I would open talks with Jack Layton, after all the heat and emotions have died down.

But, of course, I'm not Sheila Copps, so I suppose this is all futile.

If I were Sheila Copps. . .

Well, I would have joined the NDP when I had the chance.

Assuming that I can't go back in time. . .

I would take the opportunity to look back at my life and take stock. Maybe write another book or something. Then, in four years time or so, I would open talks with Jack Layton, after all the heat and emotions have died down.

But, of course, I'm not Sheila Copps, so I suppose this is all futile.

shame, she could have really helped the NDP
at least until the sponsorship scandal, which she is most likely part of (that's why i think she was refused). Her politics fit better with the NDP than the liberals anyway.

Surely, if Paul Martin didn't know about it, how could Sheila Copps know about it? And I'm sure Paul Martin didn't know about it (he wouldn't have called a public inquiry) Yeah, but I do think she would have been a great asset to the NDP. Everyone would have benefitted.

I was out walking today, when I got a brilliant idea. Sheila Copps should become Governor-General! She'd be an awesome GG.

Not that that will happen as long as Paul Martin's in power. . .

I like Sheila Copps. Paul Martin is a conservative posing as a liberal.

I want Jean Chretien back. :(

I like Sheila Copps. Paul Martin is a conservative posing as a liberal.

I want Jean Chretien back. :(

God No!! Not Chretian!!! Glad he is gone..

I like Sheila Copps. Paul Martin is a conservative posing as a liberal.

I want Jean Chretien back. :(

God No!! Not Chretian!!! Glad he is gone..

Die.

Chretien was a good guy. Sigh. Oh well.

Chretien was around too long.

Chretien was around too long.

Not really.

Paul Martin is ALWAYS conspiring against someone or something.

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you guys should check out www.paulmartintime.ca its a website created by some members of my activist group
The govenment tried suing the founders but failed miserably

Chretien had tunnel vision--he was only interested in Quebec and perhaps Ontario.

I like Sheila Copps. Paul Martin is a conservative posing as a liberal.

I want Jean Chretien back. :(

What happened to the Liberals of Trudeau's and Pearson's day? Jack Layton is encouraging them to come over to the NDP. Everyone has taken a shift to the right. :(

Chretien had tunnel vision--he was only interested in Quebec and perhaps Ontario.

Why shouldn't he, that's all you really need to win an election.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

I disagree, because of the amount of seats afforded to each province, all you need to do is satisfy the desires of quebec and ontario.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

I disagree, because of the amount of seats afforded to each province, all you need to do is satisfy the desires of quebec and ontario.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

I disagree, because of the amount of seats afforded to each province, all you need to do is satisfy the desires of quebec and ontario.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

I disagree, because of the amount of seats afforded to each province, all you need to do is satisfy the desires of quebec and ontario.

If Chretien was still in politics. . .

Sooner or later people would have realized that he doesn't like the West. As well, the Conservative party would have eaten his Ontario votes. You can't have tunnel vision to win an election; you need to appeal to a broad range of voters.

I disagree, because of the amount of seats afforded to each province, all you need to do is satisfy the desires of quebec and ontario.

Well, even that wouldn't do it. The main reason the Liberals won in Ontario was vote-splitting between the PC's and Alliance. And the NDP will take the urban seats. Toronto--Jack Layton and Olivia Chow; Ottawa--Ed Broadbent and Maher Arar's wife. Maybe, if we're lucky, the old Sheila Copps supporters will vote NDP and toss out Tony Valeri. Here's hoping. :D

Oops, total clueless moment :oops:

And because of the BQ, he would have only gotten about half of Quebec seats.

And the sponsorship scandal. . .although, honestly, I don't see why there's all the fuss about it. There were tons of other scandals, (Shawinigate, to name just one) and sooner or later, they all blew over.

My theory? Paul Martin's been in power less than 6 months. People are tired of Liberal rule, but it's hard to knock out a guy who's been there for 10 years. So they're knocking out Paul Martin.

Wonder where it will go. . .the Conservatives or the NDP

Ok, back to the original point. . .

I see 3 options for Sheila Copps:

1. Governor General. Mostly this is wishful thinking; Paul Martin hates her.
2. Senate. Possibility, but I don't believe in the Senate anyway.
3. Leave politics. I heard a sarcastic remark that Sheila Copps should go to Baghdad. At first, I thought that was mean, but now that I think about it, she could be a powerful activist for women's rights.

stop gravedigging, this thread sucks