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Gonna have to say Nirvana...

Pick who you want but give us your reasons.

I’d have to say Nirvana. They helped create a new genre, had well-written songs, and could be more hard-core without shouting. Metallica by contrast was just another hard-rock band, who happened to be harder than the rest and made it big.
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Metallica sucks.

Metallica generally suck, especially nowadays, but they had a passel of good songs. Nirvana absolutely suck, hardcore. So I guess my vote goes for Metallica.

Metallica generally suck, especially nowadays, but they had a passel of good songs. Nirvana absolutely suck, hardcore. So I guess my vote goes for Metallica.

Jeez what are you on about?

I reckon Metallica played better guitar though.

Metallica generally suck, especially nowadays, but they had a passel of good songs. Nirvana absolutely suck, hardcore. So I guess my vote goes for Metallica.

Jeez what are you on about?

I reckon Metallica played better guitar though.

Sorry, dude, you just picked a couple of bands I have little regard for. But like I said, there ARE several Metallica songs I like.

Who do you have regard for?

I’d have to say Nirvana. They helped create a new genre, had well-written songs, and could be more hard-core without shouting. Metallica by contrast was just another hard-rock band, who happened to be harder than the rest and made it big.

What? Nirvana didn't invent anything.

Grunge predates Nirvana by at least a few years. Mudhoney, The Melvins and Sonic Youth all started before Nirvana.

Metallica, along with Slayer and several other bands were the bands responsible for speed metal.

Either way I like them both about them same, slightly.

Grunge rules also!!!

Metallica,
They changed the face of heavy metal.
They did it without making a video for four albums.
Nirvanna, is a bunch of whinning no talent hacks.
Unfortunately everything Metallica did after ...And Justice for All, blew and blew hard.
They started catering to the weak kneed soft-bellied masses of eMpTyV.
Hokey nevou-trash rockabilly-alternative shite.
But ...And Justice and on back were trend setting work, i rate there early stuff with the likes of Sabbath.

Nirvana didn't *start* grunge. They just made it popular.
*points to Smells Like Teen Spirit*
yes its true, those other bands were around before, but grunge wasn't really a big thing. It became the main thing after Nevermind.

Nirvana is awesome band, and metallica sucks

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Who do you have regard for?

I like a lot of different bands. I've just been listening to Rammstein, also like Perez Prado, Moloko, Stravinsky, Gipsy Kings, Oasis, Beastie Boys, Tom Waits, White Zombie (though not much Rob Zombie stuff), Frank Sinatra, and a whole host of others.

I can't decide! It depends on my mood.

Well, nirvana would be, if mr Cobain was still alive...

I’d have to say Nirvana. They helped create a new genre, had well-written songs, and could be more hard-core without shouting. Metallica by contrast was just another hard-rock band, who happened to be harder than the rest and made it big.

What? Nirvana didn't invent anything.

Grunge predates Nirvana by at least a few years. Mudhoney, The Melvins and Sonic Youth all started before Nirvana.

Metallica, along with Slayer and several other bands were the bands responsible for speed metal.

Either way I like them both about them same, slightly.

I never said they started it, I just said that they helped create it (or more accurately, heavily influenced it). Nirvana really helped spearhead the Grune genre. Without them, it's doubtful it would have become as big as it did.
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" The other day, someone told me the difference between a democracy and a people's democracy. It's the same difference between a jacket and a straitjacket.."
- Ronald Reagan
"Many regimes today wish to eliminate God, or discredit religion. But if we look at history, we see that such Governments ultimately come to think of themselves as God."
- Peter Diffin
"I have never advocated war except as a means of peace."
-Ulysses S. Grant

Well, nirvana would be, if mr Cobain was still alive...

he is alive ... in our hearts :cry:

Metallica,
They changed the face of heavy metal.
They did it without making a video for four albums.
Nirvanna, is a bunch of whinning no talent hacks.
Unfortunately everything Metallica did after ...And Justice for All, blew and blew hard.
They started catering to the weak kneed soft-bellied masses of eMpTyV.
Hokey nevou-trash rockabilly-alternative shite.
But ...And Justice and on back were trend setting work, i rate there early stuff with the likes of Sabbath.

I agree with you, except for the underlined part. Which is why I put Metallica.

Nirvana is fairly talented as a band. Yes, most of their songs share a common sound and it's a little repetitive, but Kurt Cobain is a very good songwriter. And good lyrics are, at times, almost as important as the instruments themselves. Which, like I said, were decent.

in our hearts :cry:

Nirvana didn't *start* grunge. They just made it popular.
*points to Smells Like Teen Spirit*
yes its true, those other bands were around before, but grunge wasn't really a big thing. It became the main thing after Nevermind.

Grunge never should of been made popular.

Popularity kills underground music.

Look at punk, which was pretty much dead by 1979, although it did manage to reinvent itself(street punk, crust punk, hardcore).

Hardcore burned itself out as it was becoming popular(1982) and fractured into thrash, emo, grunge and second wave hardcore.

Grunge became mainstream, refused to co-operate. This of course ment the labels let it die. But because it was too popular it could never go underground again.

Emo died(1995-2000, with the break up of At The Drive In) and MTV parades it's dead corpse around as some sort of acoustic guitar playing boys whining about girls.

Metalcore is soon to face the mainstream it seems, as kids come out of numetal looking for something less silly looking, but just as aggressive.

Metalcore RIP 2004.

PS: That really started to make no sense to me. :?

PPS: I figured it out. :)

Underground music needs to die before breaking through if it wants any chance of surviving in any form.

Neither would top my lists for bands but because....well, just because. Might as well get into the swing of things.

Nirvana:

Well I dunno what the rest of the band are doing but Dave Grohl's done pretty well, what with the foo fighters (bit bland but they knock out a toe tapping tune) and being a sometime drummer for Queen's Of The Stoneage, AND if my eyes didnt decieve me, was drumming in some new band with Lemmy from Motorhead.

Metallica:

Well, they're all about a million years old which, unless you are Lemmy, just isn't something to be proud of in rock. This is a byproduct of no one blowing their heads off at a young age. Bad show lads. Lars is a crap name. Their current nu metal imitation is embarrassing and rubbish. Their crass mishandling of the napster affair is a bit of a mark against them, and I only like one of their albums.

Therefore the winner is Iggy and The Stooges, without whom neither would exist and honourable mention must go to Napalm death because no one else ever mentions them and its not fair.

More namechecks for grindcore bands please!

Really hard to say.

I like both bands quite a bit.
I used to hate Nirvana but, once I matured a little thier music grew on me.
Some of you might disagree with the following statement, and some of you wont be smart enough to understand it, but Metallica had very much the same kind of Influence on music as the Beatles.

Metallica of , course, never even remotely came near the Beatles popularity however.

It's like this.
Every once in a while an album comes out that revolutionises the genre its in.
In 1967, the Beatles produced, "Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band."
It was unlike anything anyone had ever done.
It completely turned Rock n Roll on its ear.

Metallica did the same with "Master of Puppets."
Absolute genius in the heavy metal catagory.
Probably the bands opus.

Come to think of it....."Smells like Teen Spirit" could be said to have done the same thing for Grunge.

Im not saying that these are the best albums ever....but maybe you get the idea of what Im getting at.

I hold Black Sabbath in higher regard.
They invented heavy metal.

honourable mention must go to Napalm death because no one else ever mentions them and its not fair.

More namechecks for grindcore bands please!

Nausea > Napalm Death
Napalm Death > Autopsy


But we all know Anal **** is the best grindcore band ever. :P

Metallica did the same with "Master of Puppets."
Absolute genius in the heavy metal catagory.
Probably the bands opus.

Many would argue another album that came out in 1986 was an even better metal album, and the greatest metal album ever.

This of course is Reign in Blood by Slayer.

honourable mention must go to Napalm death because no one else ever mentions them and its not fair.

More namechecks for grindcore bands please!

Nausea > Napalm Death
Napalm Death > Autopsy


But we all know Anal **** is the best grindcore band ever. :P

For a catchy tune lthat you can hum on the way to work, no one beats Extreme Noise Terror. 'Murder'? They don't write tunes like that any more. Tell you what though, all that Porngrind stuff, its sexist shite. Cock and Ball Torture my arse! Still, the gf likes em.

honourable mention must go to Napalm death because no one else ever mentions them and its not fair.

More namechecks for grindcore bands please!


But we all know Anal **** is the best grindcore band ever. :P

WORD.

honourable mention must go to Napalm death because no one else ever mentions them and its not fair.

More namechecks for grindcore bands please!

Nausea > Napalm Death
Napalm Death > Autopsy


But we all know Anal **** is the best grindcore band ever. :P

For a catchy tune lthat you can hum on the way to work, no one beats Extreme Noise Terror. 'Murder'? They don't write tunes like that any more. Tell you what though, all that Porngrind stuff, its sexist shite. Cock and Ball Torture my arse! Still, the gf likes em.

Porngrind, goregrind, deathgrind all sucks. I much prefer anarchogrind and crust punk.

Nausea, Misanthropy, stuff like that.

Unrelated, do you like the Dillinger Escape Plan?

Nirvana no contest. They both kick ass but Nirvana kicks it better. Those songs are nothing but banging power chords but the lyrics and whole lifestyle sets them apart.

Metallica did the same with "Master of Puppets."
Absolute genius in the heavy metal catagory.
Probably the bands opus.

Many would argue another album that came out in 1986 was an even better metal album, and the greatest metal album ever.

This of course is Reign in Blood by Slayer.


Very good as well.

However....I think that "Puppets" had a bigger impact on the music scene.

Those two are in my list of the best metal albums of the 80's...perhaps all time.

Unrelated, do you like the Dillinger Escape Plan?

Tell you the truth, I dunno yet! I was always put off by the name which for some reason made me think that they were some sort of whiney poncey nonsense like the Deftones. Still, enough people have mentioned em over the last few months to give em a go.

METALLICA MAY BE THE WORST BAND EVER FORMED

Unrelated, do you like the Dillinger Escape Plan?

Tell you the truth, I dunno yet! I was always put off by the name which for some reason made me think that they were some sort of whiney poncey nonsense like the Deftones. Still, enough people have mentioned em over the last few months to give em a go.

DEP are just weird math stuff with emo influenced(ie: high pitched screaming) vocals. They aren't emoie sounding, just straight mathcore.

Also check out some combatwoundedveteran and Charles Bronson.

METALLICA MAY BE THE WORST BAND EVER FORMED

If you had said that in regards to anything after the "Black album"..

I would say....you might be right.

As they had some of the best metal albums of all time BEFORE then..

I'll say, "Your an idiot."

Foo Fighters is also a great band!

Who likes Red Hot Chili Peppers?

METALLICA MAY BE THE WORST BAND EVER FORMED

If you had said that in regards to anything after the "Black album"..

I would say....you might be right.

As they had some of the best metal albums of all time BEFORE then..

I'll say, "Your an idiot."

oooooooooooooooh :wink:

I really hate Nirvana. As far as I'm concerned they are one hit wonders and their one hit wasn't very good but I still have to say that Metallica sucks twice that much.

I’d have to say Nirvana. They helped create a new genre, had well-written songs, and could be more hard-core without shouting. Metallica by contrast was just another hard-rock band, who happened to be harder than the rest and made it big.

What? Nirvana didn't invent anything.

Grunge predates Nirvana by at least a few years. Mudhoney, The Melvins and Sonic Youth all started before Nirvana.



yeah but Nirvana was the first band to make grunge mainstream. They were also the first to make a listenable form of grunge music... Mudhoney and the melvins suck pretty bad... sonic youth has a few good songs...

metallica was good until they made the black album. everything past that sucks

so the good metallica albums were kill em all, ride the lightening, master of puppets, and justice for all.

Nirvana must definitely gets my vote as they are my all time favorite band. :D

*ice picks who ever said that Nirvana sucks*

yeah but Nirvana was the first band to make grunge mainstream. They were also the first to make a listenable form of grunge music... Mudhoney and the melvins suck pretty bad... sonic youth has a few good songs...

metallica was good until they made the black album. everything past that sucks

so the good metallica albums were kill em all, ride the lightening, master of puppets, and justice for all.

Nirvana must definitely gets my vote as they are my all time favorite band. :D

*ice picks who ever said that Nirvana sucks*

*ice picks you for saying the Melvins suck*
:evil:

Next you're going to say Fugazi sucks...

Metallica, if for no reason other than Beavis and Butthead! Plus, they have some good tunes from way back when

***Queens of the Stone Age***
***Simon and Garfunkel***
***Black Sabbath***

just some suggestions for the next poll
at least it wont have to be a 'which band sux the least' contest

Metallica, if for no reason other than Beavis and Butthead! Plus, they have some good tunes from way back when

***Queens of the Stone Age***
***Simon and Garfunkel***
***Black Sabbath***

just some suggestions for the next poll
at least it wont have to be a 'which band sux the least' contest

ha - ha :roll:

I don't want to make quote stacks but the ones above outline the core difference in the bands. Cobain's suicide prevented Nirvana from making the downward 'part it's time' slide that metallica did. If Metallica had stopped as early there would never be the loss of dignity like garage inc, or S&M and the arguement would be a lot more balanced.
Not making excuses for Cobain pussing out or anything.

Nirvana had a social impact that Metallica couldn't match, which became anthem. Metallica made thier impact through the fans, however, rather than being sold by the 'machine,' which certainly deserves recognition.

These bands are so different they shouldn't be compared. It's like comparing metallica to N'synch. Completely different.

The Stooges or MC5?

In our hearts :cry:

\,,/ IRON MAIDEN \,,/

kurt 8)

Neither. I think that both are crap and their music is rubbish, IMO. They are not my thing at all.

The following are just opinions, so don't BBQ my butt, OK?

Nirvana: "In Bloom" is the only song I can listen to without throwing up. Seriously. But you got to give credit to them: They, and the grunge-genre killed off the late-80's/early-90's "hair metal" bands like Wild Boyz, Tuffz Enuff, ad nauseum.

Metallica: Don't talk to me about "St. Anger", "Load", "Re-Load", or the "Black Album". In my own little strange world Metallica's been retired since Cliff Burtons untimely demise.

But which one would I choose? Neither.

Gimme some Classic Van Halen, and I'll be happy. 8)

It's Nirvana. They were more famous then Metallica will ever be, and they were only around a few years. Besides they were all very talented.

It's Nirvana. They were more famous then Metallica will ever be, and they were only around a few years. Besides they were all very talented.

NIRVANA RULES!!

Guns n' Roses own them both :)

Nope, they don't...

Who is cooler?
Nirvana
Metallica

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CRASS

NO, NIRVANA!

Metallica, for no other reason than they have always done their best to make each album sound different. I haven't listened to much Nirvana, but I find that other than one or two songs, the underlying tunes are more or less the same.

Ok, so I'll admit Metallica have lost it with "St. Anger". I struggle to think of a single track that really jumps out at me and gets me going.

However, I'm not going to complain. June 6th, I'm going to see them live at Donnington festival. w00t.

METALLICA MAY BE THE WORST BAND EVER FORMED

That's just wrong.

Chumbawumba. Baha Men. Kajagoogoo.

I rest my case.

Wheres the Dawn of azazel option?

I chose Metallica, if for the sheer variety of songs and the lyrics held within.

I never liked Nirvana. I could never understand half the things Kurt sang. The music was redundant, the mood generally all the same. Metallica had variety, and variety, my fellows, is what's really important.

Though personally I hate both of them. I go for Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, or maybe some of the /really/ old stuff.
Like..if I want original punk, I listen to the Violent Femmes. Top that. Nyah.

I had to vote Nirvana just because the lyrics are so lucid... mind you, if it wasn't for the heroin, I don't think he'd have written such strange things.
But I love Metallica too!
Marilyn Manson was my favourite up until the latest album. Maybe Twiggy leaving made an impact on the music.
I have noticed an influx in teenyboppers who've obviously outgrown Busted and now claim that their favourite song is "The Fight Song". They've probably never heard 1996 or Lunchbox.

Nope, probably not.

But don't bust the teens...

and for that matter DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Nevermind is the greatest lawn mowing album of all time. The angrier songs on my cassette copy always came around right when I was trying to get those devilish tufts of grass around trees or causing rocks to spin precariously towards my windshield. Good stuff.

Metallica have skill [until recently]

Nirvana don't.... not with their fetish with power chords...

LIAR!! KEEP YOUR BEASTLY REMARKS TO YOURSELF!!

I don't really like either of them.

LIAR!! KEEP YOUR BEASTLY REMARKS TO YOURSELF!!

Explain why most Nirvana songs are cluttered to the brim with power chords?

Narvana cuz otherwise I'll have teen spirit in my head for the rest of the day.

I had to vote Nirvana just because the lyrics are so lucid... mind you, if it wasn't for the heroin, I don't think he'd have written such strange things.
But I love Metallica too!
Marilyn Manson was my favourite up until the latest album. Maybe Twiggy leaving made an impact on the music.
I have noticed an influx in teenyboppers who've obviously outgrown Busted and now claim that their favourite song is "The Fight Song". They've probably never heard 1996 or Lunchbox.

Myes I agree Marilyn Manson's last album was a massive disappointment to me (i know a guy who loves it, reasons best known to him...)

Oh shit, where is this "the fight song" fiasco happening? *tsk*

Hmmmm Metallica....Nirvana.... well lets see they both get their songs flogged to death on Triple M and for this I curse Triple M - because I can't listen to them anymore without wincing....so I guess this is down to a screaming situation:

*ahem* <clears throat>

MMMMMEEEETTTTTTAAAALLLIIIIICCCAAAA *coughs*

NNNNNIIIIRRRVVVVVAAAAANNNNNAAA

nup, still undecided