NationStates Jolt Archive

I noticed when I read the book, and a few times when it was brought up in the forums, that Mr. Barry always refers to Capitalism with a "z." I know this means something...but what? :?

It is Capitalism with a z.

You know how when branding stuff, they put in something out of the ordinary to set it apart and imply that it is the ultimate model?

The Capitalism depiced in the novel is total, to the extent that life itself effectively has a pricing structure, and for the people living in that reality, this is in the realm of the mundane. Hence Capitalizm.

My interpretation, anyway.

I've always wondered this too. Thanks for the reply TG, you've answered a burning question.

It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Ah, how very clever! But I thought Max was Australian....where's Australia in all of this?

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Ah, how very clever! But I thought Max was Australian....where's Australia in all of this?

A vassel of America, of course :P

Actually, I think the point is more that American style capitalism takes over the so-called "Anglosphere", so they (we) would use a more Americanized spelling, hence "Capitalizm". Also, since it's an "extreme" form of capitalism, and American marketing often uses the letter 'z' to replace 's' when selling "extreme" items. It all fits together nicely.

OMG! IAMB! :P

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Oh I get it, so the British would say: soo, or pissa

A vassel of America, of course :P

Actually, I think the point is more that American style capitalism takes over the so-called "Anglosphere", so they (we) would use a more Americanized spelling, hence "Capitalizm". Also, since it's an "extreme" form of capitalism, and American marketing often uses the letter 'z' to replace 's' when selling "extreme" items. It all fits together nicely.

OMG! IAMB! :P

I see what you mean....but what about Canada. :wink:

I see what you mean....but what about Canada. :wink:

Canada's part of the "Anglo-Sphere"

I see what you mean....but what about Canada. :wink:

Canada's part of the "Anglo-Sphere"

But they spell like Americans (I know as I have a Canadian teacher). :P

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Ah, how very clever! But I thought Max was Australian....where's Australia in all of this?

Australian English is British-based. As for the "z", that's probably because of a spelling mistake. We know the Americans prefer "z" over "s" in some instances bust certainly not at describing an ideology.

A world ruled by capitalism. *shudders*

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

A world ruled by capitalism. *shudders*

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Better than the world in 1984. *Does not shudder as he fears not*

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Ah, how very clever! But I thought Max was Australian....where's Australia in all of this?

Australian English is British-based. As for the "z", that's probably because of a spelling mistake. We know the Americans prefer "z" over "s" in some instances bust certainly not at describing an ideology.

It is most certainly not a typo.

A world ruled by capitalism. *shudders*Better than the world in 1984. *Does not shudder as he fears not*

Both worlds are terrible because they are extreme versions of ideologies.

I felt that it simply distinguished itself from the ordinary, real-world much less extreme capitalism. It also may have something to do with marketing. But what do I know?

Well, there's a note in JG, across from all the copyrighting stuff where it says:

For Charles Thiesen
Who really, really wanted me to call it "Capitalizm"

For Charles Thiesen
Who really, really wanted me to call it "Capitalizm"

Ah, so now we know it wasn't Max!

]It also relates to the American English tendency to use 'z' where British English uses 's'.

Oh I get it, so the British would say: soo, or pissa
well as Pizza is an Italian word, no.
What [violet] means is that where in America they would, for instance, say "euthanize", in England we would tend to say "Euthanise"

What [violet] means is that where in America they would, for instance, say "euthanize", in England we would tend to say "Euthanise"

Even though both sound the same.

I simply assumed it referred to the Romantic School of capitalist thinking as embodied in the music of Franz Liszt. As an educated individual, Max can hardly be unaware of the Romantic School in its various permutations across bothe the arts and broader society.
Liszt stands out most for his new approach to large-scale form. Many of his symphonic works abandoned the four-movement structure of the symphony. Instead, these symphonic poems (as he called them) were huge single-movement works that relied on extra musical programs and the progressive transformation of a musical theme for their structural coherence. In these works, the themes are modified by changes in harmony, rhythm, or even melodic outline. These transformations are used to create a sense of narrative or psychological progression.

Progressive transformation of musical ideas => Progessive transformation of economic modelling.
Franz Liszt ==> Capitalizt

Seems obvious to me.
8)

Seems obvious to me.
8)

Yes....very obvious.... :? :wink:

Progressive transformation of musical ideas => Progessive transformation of economic modelling.
Franz Liszt ==> Capitalizt

Seems obvious to me.
8)

To truly follow that line of logic, it would be Capitaliszt.

To truly follow that line of logic, it would be Capitaliszt.

Veyr good point! :lol: :D

To truly follow that line of logic, it would be Capitaliszt.
I can't be held responsible for Max's spellchecker failure.

To truly follow that line of logic, it would be Capitaliszt.
I can't be held responsible for Max's spellchecker failure.

Nope....it should all be blamed on his spellchecker.