NationStates Jolt Archive

International Police Chase Act

Category: International Security
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Noordeinde

Description:

All countries which are member of the World Assembly;

Recognize; that every country has it's criminals;

Recognize; that most criminals don't want to be cought by police or other authority;

Recognize; that sometimes afther being cought criminals go on the run for the police or other authority;

Observe; that in areas near the border criminals try to flea over the border;

Observe; that afther a criminal is over the borderline, police authorities, which were chasing the criminal, can't do anything;

Observe; that criminals get away from prosecution by crossing the border afther they commited a crime;

Therefore,

Allow; that the chasing police authority may follow the suspect on foreign territory untill the authority with juridiction of that area arrested the suspect;

Therefore,

Strongly Urge; other member states to allow neighbour countries to chase suspects on their soil untill the authority with jurisdiction in that area makes the arrest

Hello, I think that is a bit over the top for the World Assembly to pass this kind of resolution at its current form.

It's funny, though, after watching so many police pursuits on TV, but not kind of a resolution that the WA needs.

A hard banging was hear coming from the direction of the USoP delegates table. Those following the sound noticed Max and Ginger trying to keep their boss from banging his head on the table...

"Police Chases? International Law governing the subject of police chases... I need. a. vacation." He said punctuating the last three words by banging his head.

It might be a little subject, but it happens in every countries area near the border, people try to flee from the US to Mexico or Canada, another example Europe with it's open borders.

So althoug it's a little subject, I think that it might be usefull to have International laws allowing the police to chase criminals over the border so that they can't escape from prosecution.

And what if whatever the nation that they're fleeing from wants to charge them with isn't actually illegal under the laws of the nation to which they've fled?

The good but slightly unwholesome Senator Sulla sat stunned at his desk, his facial expression kinda resembling a poll-axed steer. Onlookers wondered to themselves "Is he in a drunken stupor?" ,or "Is it the effects of some kinda social desease he caught from a catgirl?" Fear not true believers, the good senator was just momentarily stunned into silence by the proposal brought forth in the festering snakepit.

"Sweet Flaming A**crackers!", he thundered.
"Do the cop cars in your own nation not have radios, to call for assisance from your neighbors cops? Let me get this straight. You want to send police officials into my nation without express permission, and without regards to the safety of my nation's citizens. Whats the matter, don't you trust other nation's law enforcement officers to do their job? Do you just expect me to allow your police to take the perps back across the border? Bugger that! Any criminal arrested in my nation needs to have a writ of extradition before they'll be sent back to their home nation. I don't care who arrests them. What you've proposed has international incident written all over it."

And what if whatever the nation that they're fleeing from wants to charge them with isn't actually illegal under the laws of the nation to which they've fled?

That doesn't matter, someone who committed a crime has to stand trial for it in the country where he commited his crime. So afther the arrest countries will have "talks" on diplomatic level to exchange the suspect back to the country where he commited his crime so he can stand trial.

There can be a way to fight crime internationally but FYI, no World Police is possible as stated in the rulebooks.

That doesn't matter, someone who committed a crime has to stand trial for it in the country where he commited his crime. So afther the arrest countries will have "talks" on diplomatic level to exchange the suspect back to the country where he commited his crime so he can stand trial.

Nope sorry doesn't work that way. There are nations out there that not only wont' extradite because what you did in Nation A isn't a crime in there nation... there are nations out there who won't extradite because they don't agree with the potential punishment that Nation A has in mind.

Personally the USoP is an island so we'd abstain from the vote as it doesn't affect us one way or another. However we think that its' up to the 2 nations to decide on how police can enter and exit... not the WA.

."Do the cop cars in your own nation not have radios, to call for assisance from your neighbors cops? Let me get this straight. You want to send police officials into my nation without express permission, and without regards to the safety of my nation's citizens. Whats the matter, don't you trust other nation's law enforcement officers to do their job? Do you just expect me to allow your police to take the perps back across the border? Bugger that! Any criminal arrested in my nation needs to have a writ of extradition before they'll be sent back to their home nation. I don't care who arrests them. What you've proposed has international incident written all over it."

Point 1, yes my Police officers have radios in their vehicles.

Point 2, no they don't have to ask permission, but afcourse they will have to transmitt to the neighbour law enforcement officers that they are crossing the border and need back-up from them.

Point 3, Do I trust the neighbours law enforcement, yes ofcourse I do, they will make the arrest and have the lead in a chase on their soil, the officers which crossed the border may only follow the suspect, further nothing.

Point 4,Do I just expect you to allow my police to take the perps back across the border? No, the suspect will be placed in your custody, and may ofcourse be trialed for offenses he commited on your soil. And afther that via diplomatic channels we can request his exchange back to the country where he commited his crimes to stand trial.

Point 5 about the safety regards, as i sad before, the lead of the chase will be taken over by the local authorities, and the law enforcement officers wich only follow the suspect will have to obey every traffic law of the territory of the country their'in.

Point 5 about the safety regards, as i sad before, the lead of the chase will be taken over by the local authorities, and the law enforcement officers wich only follow the suspect will have to obey every traffic law of the territory of the country their'in.

Well then, the moment the suspect blows through a red light, does not come to a complete stop before proceeding past a stop sign, does not give way at a yield, or just simply breaks the speed limit, this all becomes pretty pointless, doesn't it?

Well then, the moment the suspect blows through a red light, does not come to a complete stop before proceeding past a stop sign, does not give way at a yield, or just simply breaks the speed limit, this all becomes pretty pointless, doesn't it?

I congratulate the honored ambassador from Kelssek as I completely missed that inane "point". Though it's possible I couldn't see it through the bleeding that reading the first 4 caused in my eyes.

So you want police officers to stop at every red light, stop sign and crosswalk? While attempting to apprehend a fleeing criminal? If they chase them across a boarder where a toll is paid do they have to shell out the toll money too?

I congratulate the honored ambassador from Kelssek as I completely missed that inane "point". Though it's possible I couldn't see it through the bleeding that reading the first 4 caused in my eyes.

So you want police officers to stop at every red light, stop sign and crosswalk? While attempting to apprehend a fleeing criminal? If they chase them across a boarder where a toll is paid do they have to shell out the toll money too?

Isn't that the main reason police vehicles are equipped with lights and sirens, so the officers can turn them on to alert everyone to get out of their way because they need to get somewhere fast and damn the normal traffic rules.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

I can just imagine this kind of thing.

"Passports, please... and what is the purpose of your visit to Kelssek today?"

"Uh, we're chasing a fleeing criminal."

"Hmm, you don't seem to have the proper chasing a fleeing criminal visa. I can, however, grant you the normal visit pass which will allow a short business visit. Will that be fine?"

"Uh, yeah."

"Please note that you must leave the country within 90 days and you may not seek employment in Kelssek. And you left the 'address in Kelssek' part of the form blank, we do need that in case there's a need for us or for your embassy to contact you..."

"Well, look, we were in a high-speed chase, right, and we were just happy that we happened to have our passports and immigration forms with us, and we're not staying for more than 24 hours, really, if we catch the guy, of course..."

"I see, well, which direction do you think this criminal is going in? You could put the name of the town, or something like that... and you will need to take and pass the Highway Code theory test before I allow you in. Hold on, I'll get the question papers."

Isn't that the main reason police vehicles are equipped with lights and sirens, so the officers can turn them on to alert everyone to get out of their way because they need to get somewhere fast and damn the normal traffic rules.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Certainly is the reason for it in my nation? Not quite sure the authors' though.

I can just imagine this kind of thing.

"Passports, please... and what is the purpose of your visit to Kelssek today?"

"Uh, we're chasing a fleeing criminal."

"Hmm, you don't seem to have the proper chasing a fleeing criminal visa. I can, however, grant you the normal visit pass which will allow a short business visit. Will that be fine?"

"Uh, yeah."

"Please note that you must leave the country within 90 days and you may not seek employment in Kelssek. And you left the 'address in Kelssek' part of the form blank, we do need that in case there's a need for us or for your embassy to contact you..."

"Well, look, we were in a high-speed chase, right, and we were just happy that we happened to have our passports and immigration forms with us, and we're not staying for more than 24 hours, really, if we catch the guy, of course..."

"I see, well, which direction do you think this criminal is going in? You could put the name of the town, or something like that... and you will need to take and pass the Highway Code theory test before I allow you in. Hold on, I'll get the question papers."

"Also can you step out of the car so we cam make sure you are unarmed..."

Certainly is the reason for it in my nation? Not quite sure the authors' though.

I have a feeling that it's due to a desire on the Nooreinde police force to be able to quickly, and without much hastle, have a disco...

We can assure the author that were his nation our neighbour, and whether the WA allowed it or not, we would regard the intrusion of his police force into our nation without our explicit permission as an act of war.