NationStates Jolt Archive


Equality between men and women

Sanitories
06-05-2009, 14:16
Hi,
I have submitted the followind proposal to be validate by the 53 WA delegates who undoubtfully will support it, after correcting it with Word and using intensivly my dictionnary. But now I've posted it, I have a doubt: is my english really as good as I think:$? yeah, I know I should have worried about this before posting but well, now it's done.

this is the resolution I've proposed:

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1. ACCEPTING as a fact that no scientific studies has yet been able to pinpoint any difference in abilities between women and men being directly caused by any morphological difference.

2. DEFENDING that all inequalities existing in fact -for the while- between women and men are due to social causes, i.e. it’s the place that society urges each gender to accept that explains all and every difference of attitude and social consideration between women and men.

3. OBSERVING that the most prominent in gender isn't its physical manifestation but its mental manifestation, and so recognizing the right of changing officially their gender to people who feel their physical gender isn't their mental gender, i.e. transsexuals.

4. MAINTAINING that the main aim of domination of men upon women is to make men accept the domination of some men upon the other men.

5. NOTICING that because its her who became pregnant, men are usually prompted to consider being pregnant is mostly a women affair (in nations who don’t invest in men education on the subject), and so are far less pushed to consider the birth linked aspect of sexuality.

6. ESTABLISHING that condemning women sexuality and not men sexuality pushes women to be very often less open to sexuality than men, what make a lot of men sexually frustrated. The consequences the sexual frustration of some men having on society is in some cases paedophilia, rapes…

7. CONCERNED with the fact that commons matrimonial habits makes human resources managers less inclined to hire women between the age of 25 and 35 because they might be absent for a long time if they have a child at this period. And this seriously disadvantages women in their carrier and in the evolution of their wages.

8. DEPLORING it’s when he wants to be rude than every one is the most inclined to be sexist (and racist, and homophobic), what means we must fought sexism (and racism, and homophobia) also on the ground of the insults we use. E. g. « b*tch », « wh*re», « c*nt »… are to be banned of our vocabulary when they are not used in a non strictly descriptive way.

9. STATING that we can’t emancipate mankind without emancipating the so-called ‘‘fair sex’’.

10. ASSERTING that depreciating women won’t make men more happy, quite the opposite in fact, so men's real interest isn’t to depreciate women in general.

The World Assembly solemnly condemns all differences maiden between genders in social statues, carrier promotion, wages, social consideration, status in the household, insults usually used, length of maternity leave, (etcetera). And every nation who won’t actively act in this sense will be mercilessly considered by the rest of the world as a shrewish reactionary nation.
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I know critics will raise such as 1)"hey! this is an ideological ban, you're not allowed to propose this" or 2)"hey! This is not a proposition, it's a rethorical essay, you're not allowed to propose this!" or 3)"hey! you put little * but there are insults in your proposal!"

But:
1) I don't think we can really say sexism is an ideology. I mean not in the sense of the word "ideology" we use when we say "capitalism is an ideology" or "communism is an ideology". It's true my proposal defends a feminist ideology, but just as the actual proposal on carbon tax follows more or less a environment-friendly ideology.

2) I don't think solemnly condamning sexism could be consider as only rethoric. It's not more rethorical than saying "every men and women are free and equals in rights and in dignity". And in order to condemn sexism, it's necessary to pinpoint cases that are sexism but where it's not obvious. So I don't think the part where I denounce some expressions of every day life sexism could be consider as an essay, but like a detail of cases where, once this law will be passed, members of the World Assembly will be obliged if they respect the law to act. (Am I clear enough? I'm not sure every one will understand what I mean...)

3) I'm not insulting any one, neither am I in a moralistic position saying "don't insult people". I'm saying "I'm proposing a reform of the vocabulary (they have been laws on those sort of things in some countries : Germany, France...) stating that those world will disappear from our vocabulary of insults in order to only stay in our vocabulary for what they really are". It's description saying a prostitute is a wh*re, it's insults to say to a girl she's a wh*re because you don't like her way of living her sexuality. In many countries they are laws who forbid racism independently from the laws who forbid insulting people.
Philimbesi
06-05-2009, 14:46
I don't think your English is your biggest problem with this one. The biggest problem would be that we've covered it already here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14529687&postcount=37)
Sanitories
06-05-2009, 16:46
I don't think its twice the same thing, even if its true I havn't read this charter with enough attention because if I had do so, I would have make my law more explicitely different.

The charter of civil right seems to me a text most abstract, a bit like a constitution is. It's mostly about the legal rights people have I think, saying there should be no discrimination, but the spirit of the charter is more to defines general rights than to deal with concret problems that exist in our societies.

The issues I'm talking about in my proposal are less about law than about society. It's more a law defining a policy to apply than a law defining the rights of the individuals, you see?

To make a comparison, it's like the law passed last week to sensibilize people on what means aborption, it's not the same thing than a law saying whether or not aborption is legal. You can make sensibilization about aborption even if it becames illegal to perform aborption : in the real world there are preventions on drugs even if they are illegal and there will still be prevention if drugs became legal.

In our case, there is a law who defines a right, the charter of civil rights, and a law who takes measures independant from the existing rights : my proposal.

But if the rules of the world assembly forces me to delete this withdraw this law and rewrite it in a more explicitly different way, I'll accept it. But I don't think it's necessary.
The Palentine
06-05-2009, 16:59
<Sigh!!!!!> Some days its not worth gnawing through the leather straps.

<Reaches into desk and pulls out a full bottle of Wild Turkey, which the good but unwholesome senator opens and pours himself a very stiff drink.>

Lets start from the top shall we?

Article 1 of the Civil Rights Charter
a ) All inhabitants of member states are equal in status in law and under its actions, and have the right to equal treatment and protection by the nation they inhabit or in which they are currently present.


c ) All inhabitants of member states have the right not to be and indeed must not be discriminated against on grounds including sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity, or any other arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation which may be used for the purposes of discrimination, except for compelling practical purposes, such as hiring only female staff to work with battered women who have sought refuge from their abusers.

This seems to outlaw Sex discrimination to me.

And now to my favorite part of the document.....

Article 2
d ) Nothing in this article shall be construed as to deny additional or stronger protections against discrimination and abuse enacted by member states.

If you want to add attitional protections in your nation, feel free. Just don't try to inflict them on us.

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla
Philimbesi
06-05-2009, 18:06
If you want to add attitional protections in your nation, feel free. Just don't try to inflict them on us.

I'm afraid that my lunch kept me from making the same point. Nigel said eying the wild turkey...
The Palentine
06-05-2009, 18:29
I'm afraid that my lunch kept me from making the same point. Nigel said eying the wild turkey...


The good but unwholesome Senator had only two superpowers, but both had served him well. One, of course, was his finely honed Bar-Lord sense, which gave him ample warning when Neville was growing tired of his escapades in the Stranger's Bar, and about to cut him off. The second ws equally useful. The senator seemed to have a sixth sense that alerted him when others were eying his booze. He looked over at Nigel and said,

"You look a little peaked, old boy. Go ahead and help yourself. I keep my desk fully stocked for situations like this.
Philimbesi
06-05-2009, 18:48
Nigel smiled and poured himself a drink Thank you my good... yet unwholesome man
Absolvability
06-05-2009, 19:01
This does seem like it's been covered, though I have yet to make use of the Philimbesian Ambassador's link.

More to the point, I think, this proposal doesn't propose to do anything. It's a reasonable enough outline, I think, but what is mandated? This proposal needs to be more than a 'moral rule of thumb.'
Sanitories
06-05-2009, 19:13
Staring at the void the other side of the window, and suddenly finding all this void very attractive.

Well well well... What you all say sounds like wisdom to my ears. Seems I have to find another subject if I want my name written next to a proposal lasting in history for generations and generations...
Quintessence of Dust
06-05-2009, 19:16
Well well well... What you all say sounds like wisdom to my ears. Seems I have to find another subject if I want my name written next to a proposal lasting in history for generations and generations...That right there is a shitty reason to write a resolution. Do so because you think the law will prove useful, not because you want to show off.
Omigodtheykilledkenny
06-05-2009, 19:17
Seems I have to find another subject if I want my name written next to a proposal lasting in history for generations and generations...Try banning male circumcision. :D
Philimbesi
06-05-2009, 19:28
:::cough::: Max Barry Day :::cough:::
Cobdenia
06-05-2009, 19:34
Staring at the void the other side of the window, and suddenly finding all this void very attractive.

Well well well... What you all say sounds like wisdom to my ears. Seems I have to find another subject if I want my name written next to a proposal lasting in history for generations and generations...

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