NationStates Jolt Archive

Any creatice critiscism or advice is very welcome; as you can see I'm pretty new to this stuff.

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL

RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems including but not limited to: climate change, pollution, depletion of natural resources, and natural disasters, in association with experts in the respective field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of World Assembly members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) Based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, the WAEC shall discuss and debate goals or limits to be aimed for by particular nations or by the World Assembly as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular goals or limits have been suggested will be monitored and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- Funding of the WAEC

Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly; it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.

b) Membership of the WAEC shall be optional, with one delegate from every member state being invited to join the organisation. Member states that are not represented by the council are not, however, excluded from duties and instructions given to them by the WAEC.

With that one piece, you have just bombed your proposal. There is no such thing as optional in the WA, all laws passed are compulsory. But if that doesnt sink it, the rest will, as any committee is filled by the WA Gnomes. No actual nation can sit on a committee, and as it stands the proposal could be ruled illegal by this. Perhaps this section should just be removed.

c) Surveys and reports upon the issues of the environment of particular nations will be made with the permission of the government of the member-state in particular.

Again, vaguely optional in its phrasing. These things are compulsory, meaning governments cant stop the scientists from coming in and tabling surveys.


Generally, the rest is pretty good. Section 3 is interesting, as while resolutions generally take their funding from the General Fund, you are encouraging nations to chip in as well. Also, the barring of private donations is good too.

A suggestion of additional stuff, though, is what happens after the WAEC does their surveys. On the surface of things they just record the info and dont set goals for nations to rectify any damage. Perhaps a section 4 based around that concept

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

See Section 2, C and E for corrections. Hopefully these will resolve the issues. I striggled with the idea that I'm not aware what punishments can be put in place for failure to cooperate with the WAEC, and so this area has been left quite vague. I've tried to leave a balance between national law and WA legislation in C.

Many thanks for your suggestions.

Sophia Hirsch,
WA Ambassador for Parilisa

Nah, we find it quite suitable now. The vagueness also allows for leeway when it comes to scale of what needs to be done, IE a small amount for flora and fauna that are at risk of becoming endangered, while drastic measures for those on the edge of extinction

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

Section 3 should be rewritten to avoid specific mention of the WA General Fund and Resolution 17, lest it be considered a House of Cards violation. Announcing that the bulk of the funding is expected to come directly from the WA is sufficient; the GF merely supplies a mechanism by which that can be done.

I was expecting rejection if I proposed a system of taxation upon all member nations and I thought taking money from the WA General Fund would be a logical solution. What is the alternative?

I was expecting rejection if I proposed a system of taxation upon all member nations and I thought taking money from the WA General Fund would be a logical solution. What is the alternative?

Just remove the references to Res #17. Perhaps re-write it as:

a) The WAEC will be funded by the General Fund, but nations are encouraged to submit non-biased donations if they wish

You can actually mention the General Fund, as other resolutions do, but you cant mention 'as set out by Resolution #17' as that could lead to House of Cards. I think it is a given that if there were no resolution for a General Fund, that there would be something like that existing anyway, since the WA needs to get its money anyway.

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

Made an edit.

Yes, that should be fine to avoid any HoC violation. If it isnt, then there are a number of resolutions that reference the General Fund which would be deemed illegal

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

Yes, that should be fine to avoid any HoC violation. If it isnt, then there are a number of resolutions that reference the General Fund which would be deemed illegal

We checked, Ambassador. The number in question would be zero.

We are inclined to think that mentioning the General Fund is risky, and counsel merely stating that the WA will pay. The General Fund will then do so automatically, without needing further invocation from your proposal. Otherwise, a repeal of resolution 17 would mean that the bulk of your funding would be expected to come from a no longer extant source.

We checked, Ambassador. The number in question would be zero.

We are inclined to think that mentioning the General Fund is risky, and counsel merely stating that the WA will pay. The General Fund will then do so automatically, without needing further invocation from your proposal. Otherwise, a repeal of resolution 17 would mean that the bulk of your funding would be expected to come from a no longer extant source.

Ah, we were under the impression it was mentioned, at least in the recently repealed Veterans Reform Act, but we now note that it states World Assembly, not World Assembly General Fund. Perhaps a rephrasing to state it that way then.

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL

RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly Hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue legislation governing the future of the endangered environment.

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the environments state and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Surveys and reports upon the issues of the environment of particular nations will be made where possible with the cooperation of the authorities of the member state. Allowing scientists access to important information and the freedom to conduct their researches without intimidation or bias is absolutely compulsory and it is illegal to interfere with the activities of WAEC scientists, except where said activities are in violation of national law.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of WA members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) The WAEC shall discus and debate, based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, goals and limits to be aimed for and adhered to by particular nations or by the WA as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular limits have been set will be monitored strictly and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA General Fund.

b) The WAEC may not be funded by private parties to avoid a leaning towards bias for a particular cause or group.




I made one change to the oriniginal draft. Section 1 should start of by stating: The World Assembly Hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

All I did was add The World Assembly to the begining

Ambassador from Queenslandburg
Que

The Federation of Serbian Soviet Union is hoping to vote in favor of this resolution however the resolution needs one amendment to the resolution before voting in favor of it if it gets approved.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of WA members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

What's wrong with this part?

Edit suggested by Queenslandburg made.

You still need to remove the reference to the General Fund, as the representative from Gobbannium quite rightly pointed out.

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

I think it's all up to date now. If there's no more suggestions or corrections then I'm ready to put it forward as a proposal.

Could the Ambassador from the Serbian Soviet Union explain what was wrong with the section he mentioned, as I do not know how you wish me to correct it?

I think it might be better to omit any mention of funding entirely. We know WA committees are funded by the General Fund without each resolution having to say so.

I really dislike the tail of 2 (a) as it seems to imply the Council has the authority to "issue legislation". I feel this is a step too far. What is good about having a neutral research body is that it can give lawmakers the expert advice they need. Deputising that body as a lawmaker itself creates a conflict of interests. So I would stick to the research side.

2 (c) is also problematic. It's a little draconian compared to the language in the old UN resolution:
conduct, where requested by the authority with jurisdiction over the particular area, further environmental surveys directed at more specific details
Forcing nations to hand over information isn't going to get them to have a lot of faith in the Council. Only by cooperating where requesting will they treat the WAEC as a neutral body.

-- Dr Lois Merrywether
WA Ambassador

The following ammednment has been made:


a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community.


In addition to this I propose replacing the disliked subsection C with:


Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must also avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias and it must be remembered that the Council is neutral to, and independent from, member states.


Are you convinced that the deletion of Section 3 is absolutely necesary, as it should be noted that this takes a large amount out of the text?

The resolution "WA General Fund" makes it clear that WA projects will be funded through the General Fund. You don't have to remove Section 3; I simply don't see the point of including it. It would be like including a Section to say "This is a World Assembly Resolution": true, but we already knew that.

-- Dr Lois Merrywether
WA Ambassador

Oh I see. Well, for the sake of keeping the resolution from being too short I think I'll keep it in. It does include the importnat bit about not being funded from other companies (which I stole from the old UN resolution).

Bumpy bumpy

Congrats on reaching quorum!! :)

Thanks, should I start up an AT VOTE thread now, do you think?

OOC: Considering how short this thread is, you might as well just ask the Mods to stick "AT VOTE:" at the start of this thread's title once the proposal is at vote...

OOC: I'm ashamed that my thread is so short....but size isn't everything you know! :p

This statute is riddled with grammatical errors and numerous non-sequiturs and lacunae.

While the basic intent of it is worthy and the author's effort must be applauded, we would not be able to vote for this statute in this form.

This is another glaring example of a delegation rushing to approval stage without anything like an adequate drafting phase.

We are deeply disappointed that so important an issue as environmental research and conservation has been so shoddily dealt with.


Yours,

OOC: Could you point out said spelling mistakes?

O.O.C. oops sorry their aren't many that I can see on second reading, but actually the grammar is a problem in some areas. And the preamble is... not good.

Oh and because it was my mistake there I am responding o.o.c. I wont from now on ;)

O.O.C. oops sorry their aren't many that I can see on second reading, but actually the grammar is a problem in some areas. And the preamble is... not good.

OOC: No need to apologise!

The good Ambassador from Urgench has suggested that there are grammatical errors in the draft but I must assure him that every care was taken to make sure these were as infrequent as possible. It is reasonable to presume that some errors managed to survive our thorough examination, but these cannot be too severe or they would have been pointed out earlier in the drafting of the proposal.

The definition of "an adequate drafting phase" is debatable, but this delegation presumed that the lack of any further comments or corrections suggested that the draft had reached a sufficient stage. The time period during which the proposal was drafted and corrected seems sufficient to us, and we can see no issue with it.

Yours,

Sophia Hirsch,
Ambassador for Parilisa

The good Ambassador from Urgench has suggested that there are grammatical errors in the draft but I must assure him that every care was taken to make sure these were as infrequent as possible. It is reasonable to presume that some errors managed to survive our thorough examination, but these cannot be too severe or they would have been pointed out earlier in the drafting of the proposal.

This is a false presumption, honoured Ambassador, drafting may take time ( a long time in some cases ) and a mere lull in attention payed to a draft does not mean it is ready for submission for approval. Such a lull may be occasioned by other delegation's commitments to other projects and the exigencies of the politics of this organisation.

It is almost always best to obtain the advice and assistance of more than one or two experienced delegations before one submits a statute for approval.

The definition of "an adequate drafting phase" is debatable, but this delegation presumed that the lack of any further comments or corrections suggested that the draft had reached a sufficient stage. The time period during which the proposal was drafted and corrected seems sufficient to us, and we can see no issue with it.

We are not suggesting that there exists a finite period which might be ideal for a drafting phase of a statute, we are suggesting that the mistakes apparent in an as yet inchoate and under developed statute stand as evidence of such a statute not having undergone an a sufficient length of drafting.

For instance the provision contained within this statute which specifies how the committee it creates will be funded indicates that it will be funded by member states, when it is presumably meant to be funded from the General Fund. The difference is profound.

Later in the text the statute uses the phrase " the environments state " when it should say " the condition of the environment ", the former means nothing the later clearly points out what is required.

The list of such mistakes continues.



Yours,

On reviewing this handful of mistakes and other suggestions we can understand why the phrase put forward by you is preferable to the one in the proposal. However the suggestion that the statute contradicts itself on the issue of funding is incorrect as it makes it quite clear that:


a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA.




The fact remains that the proposal has now reached quorum so it is obviously of an acceptable level for a large percentage of the international community. If the act fails at vote we shall continue with the amendments, but otherwise it must be noted that if it is good enough to be accepted, it is good enough.

Sincerely,

Sophia Hirsch,
Ambassador for Parilisa

On reviewing this handful of mistakes and other suggestions we can understand why the phrase put forward by you is preferable to the one in the proposal. However the suggestion that the statute contradicts itself on the issue of funding is incorrect as it makes it quite clear that:



The fact remains that the proposal has now reached quorum so it is obviously of an acceptable level for a large percentage of the international community. If the act fails at vote we shall continue with the amendments, but otherwise it must be noted that if it is good enough to be accepted, it is good enough.



It does contradict itself, on the one hand it states that the committee will be funded by member states and then it states that it will be funded by the G.F., which is it ?

The internal confusion on this point is catastrophic in our opinion.


yours,

No, the idea is that the money will mainly come from the GF but that members are encouraged to donate in addition to this. I fail to see how such confusion has arisen.

Sincerely,
Sophia Hirsch

This section unequivocally states that the WAEC is funded by members

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

Where as this section makes funding the job of the G.F. with supplementary funding from members.


SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA.


The confusion arises from poor wording honoured Ambassador , we are surprised you cannot see this.


yours,

Now you have shown me more clearly I can understand a little better, but it should be noted that the first part is intended as a brief introduction rather than a detailed analysis.

Sophia Hirsch

Now you have shown me more clearly I can understand a little better, but it should be noted that the first part is intended as a brief introduction rather than a detailed analysis.

Sophia Hirsch

But you have written this "introduction" as an operative clause, if it were a introduction why have it mention funding at all ? And why make it an operative clause ?


Yours,

Your experience in the ways of the World Assembly is obviously very great and I wish I had but half the ability of you, and enough ability to have made the proposal perfect. However the fact remains that the proposal is at quorum, no matter how many corrections are recquired. I trust in the good nations of the World Assembly to decided whether or not the flaws are serious enough to merit a rewrite.

Sincerely,

Sophia Hirsch

Your experience in the ways of the World Assembly is obviously very great and I wish I had but half the ability of you, and enough ability to have made the proposal perfect. However the fact remains that the proposal is at quorum, no matter how many corrections are recquired. I trust in the good nations of the World Assembly to decided whether or not the flaws are serious enough to merit a rewrite.

Sincerely,

Sophia Hirsch

If you wish to correct the flaws I'm sure the mods would delete it for you, just make sure you ask before it hits the floor for voting.

OOC: I don't think these minor edits are really needed, if it passes it passes. If it doesnt't I'll correct and try again.

O.O.C They aren't minor flaws, the funding of this thing is a mess and will make the resolution un-implementable, my advice is to ask the mods to pull it and bring it back for further input from other players.

OOC: If you think its that serious I will act on your advice.

O.O.C I do, and I also recommend patience when coming to draft it again, palyers have lives, and other NS projects they are involved in , it can take some time to develop a decent res and it can sometimes seem like no one is taking an interest, but keep plugging away at it and people will come back becasue they realise you are in ernest and the end result will be far more satisfying because not only will it be a better res but you will have involved as many states as possible in writing it and will have far more support for it when it comes to vote. :)

OOC: I hope to have the benefit of your experience and expertise in the re-drafting. I will change the things you have already suggested, and would be grateful for any further input.

Re-draft:
Any creatice critiscism or advice is very welcome; as you can see I'm pretty new to this stuff.

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL

RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members and the World Assembly as a whole for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community.

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must also avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias and it must be remembered that the Council is neutral to, and independent from, member states.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of WA members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) The WAEC shall discus and debate, based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, goals and limits to be aimed for and adhered to by particular nations or by the WA as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular limits have been set will be monitored strictly and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA.

b) The WAEC may not be funded by private parties to avoid a leaning towards bias for a particular cause or group.

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members and the World Assembly as a whole for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

Well this section could perhaps leave out all mention of funding at all, since it is dealt with elsewhere in the statute. Essentially this need not even be an article at all, simply state that the w.a. establishes the WAEC and then set out its functions and how it is funded in subsequent articles.


SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA.

b) The WAEC may not be funded by private parties to avoid a leaning towards bias for a particular cause or group.

This article is needlessly complicated really honoured Ambassador. The general fund would easily be able to cover the entire cost of the WAEC and we imagine without much protest from the membership either.

If you simply state that the WAEC is funded from the GF and specify that no funding be sought from other sources you will be able to guarantee its impartiality, and that it will not be dominated by national or private agenda which may be contrary to its stated aims and functions.

Yours,

Re-draft:

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation funded by the World Assembly’s members and the World Assembly as a whole for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.


Ok, thats fine with us. But what percentage of funding comes from Nations and then the G.F. respectively. Also we have concerns on wording in this section:

"SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA."

In the aforementioned quote, it appears that both the Nation and the WA G.F. is paying for all this.

In subsection A, of Section 3, you contradict yourself again with saying "WA Members are [I]encouraged[I] to assist in funding with main donations from the WA."

Which is it going to be Honored Ambassador? Are the Nations paying for it or is the WA? If the WA G.F. is going to be the main source of monetary payments, then why not drop the wording in Section 1 of where the WAEC is funded by WA Nations, leaving it as the WA pays for it, and nations can make donations to the WAEC fund at their discretion.

If you simply state that the WAEC is funded from the GF and specify that no funding be sought from other sources you will be able to guarantee its impartiality, and that it will not be dominated by national or private agenda which may be contrary to its stated aims and functions.

Yours,

I have also been advised to not specificly mention the GF. What could I refer to it as instead?

Edits have been made to section 1 and 3.


RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community.

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must also avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias and it must be remembered that the Council is neutral to, and independent from, member states.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of World Assembly members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) The WAEC shall discus and debate, based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, goals and limits to be aimed for and adhered to by particular nations or by the World Assembly as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular limits have been set will be monitored strictly and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

f) Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly, it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.

Our advice then is to follow the guidance of the honoured Ambassador for Gobbannium and state that the WAEC is to be funded soley by the w.a., ommit mention of the GF.

That is, " the WAEC will be funded by the World Assembly, e.t.c. " not " by members of the W.A. " or any construction of this kind.

I think I have made the corrections you suggest in the draft, is the current form acceptable in this particular regard?

SECTION 3- The Funding of the WAEC

a) WA members are encouraged to assist in the funding of the WAEC, though the main monetary donations shall be taken from the WA.

b) The WAEC may not be funded by private parties to avoid a leaning towards bias for a particular cause or group.


This still includes reference to additional funding from member states, which will lead to the charge that the WAEC is the creature of which ever states volunteer the most additional funding.


It could read- " The WAEC shall be funded by the World Assembly, it shall receive no additional funding from other sources " or words to this effect.


Yours,

Edit

OOC: I've just noticed I've made an error in the title of this thread which makes it look daft...

OOC: I've just noticed I've made an error in the title of this thread which makes it look daft...

O.O.C. I did wonder when you were going to get that fixed LOL

OOC: I'll leave it for now, I didnt even notice! :(

What is the WAEC's position in relation to endangered species? I mean what do these reports on the condition of the environment encompass?

Thats a good question and the breif answer is I'm not sure. I think the aims of the WAEC are more focussed upon issues such as climate change, pollution, acid rain, natural resources, natural disasters etc. I decided not to mention any of these issues specificaly in the draft because they are definitely RL rather than NS problems, but thats what I was thinking of when I suggested the act.

In what regards funding, what about:

PROHIBITS the use of funding promises or withdrawal threats as means of political leverage into WAEC deliberations,

It is W.A. General Fund-neutral, does not create an alternative funding towards thw WAEC, and eliminates the problem of bias.

In what regards funding, what about:



It is W.A. General Fund-neutral, does not create an alternative funding towards thw WAEC, and eliminates the problem of bias.


This suggested wording does not even make any sense honoured Ambassador.

All that needs to be said ( and it has been within the text already ) is that the WAEC will be funded by the World Assembly ( which necessarily means General Fund ) , and can receive no other funding.

Promises, or the withdrawal of such, of any kind are therefore irrelevant.


Yours,

Edits have been made to section 1 and 3.

RECOGNIZING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALIZING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organization for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community.

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must [delete "also"] avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias [delete "and it must be remembered that the Council is neutral to, and independent from, member states"].

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of World Assembly members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) Based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, the WAEC shall discuss and debate goals or limits to be aimed for [delete "and adhered to"] by particular nations or by the World Assembly as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular goals or limits have been suggested will be monitored [delete "strictly"] and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- Funding of WAEC

Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly, it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.

1. Suggested edits in bold italicized red. Suggested deletions in bold italicized blue.

2. I realize that that some of my suggestions (re recognizing, realizing, organization) may simply be a difference in spelling based on country of origin, but I checked various online dictionaries and most of them agreed with my spelling. I fully acknowledge that other spellings may be proper and place little import on these suggestions.

3. With the possible exception of my substantive changes to Section 2(e), none of my suggestions are critical to my support of this proposal. I am concerned that the WAEC be an advisory and educational body and not be empowered to force environmental laws upon member states AND I think the language of the proposal is a bit contradictory as to whether nations must follow what the WAEC says or are urged to do what the WAEC suggests, but I am undecided as to whether that is a deal breaker for me.

Special notes to the Ambassador from Parilisa: (1) Good work on a fine idea. (2) I wouldn't necessarily make any of my suggested changes unless other Ambassadors seem to agree with them.

While we agree with almost all the other changes recommended by the honoured and esteemed Ambassador for The Cat-Tribe we are at a loss to explain their penchant for the letter Z and would be most disappointed to see its proliferation to quite the extent they indicate.


Yours,

RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems in association with experts in the field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community.

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of World Assembly members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) Based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, the WAEC shall discuss and debate goals or limits to be aimed for by particular nations or by the World Assembly as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular goals or limits have been suggested will be monitored and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- Funding of the WAEC

Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly, it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.

Above is the edited draft based on the suggestions of the esteemed Ambassador for The Cat Tribe. However, like the Ambassador for Urgench we have issue with your spelling corrections; we see no need to change every S to a Z, as you point out these are influenced mainly by regional preferences. We have agreed most definitely with your change of the word "discus" to "discuss" as we cannot see any need for the WAEC to be partaking in sporting activities of any kind!

Thats a good question and the breif answer is I'm not sure. I think the aims of the WAEC are more focussed upon issues such as climate change, pollution, acid rain, natural resources, natural disasters etc. I decided not to mention any of these issues specificaly in the draft because they are definitely RL rather than NS problems, but thats what I was thinking of when I suggested the act.

I should hope you know what the aims of the WAEC are, rather than think what they are. If you aren't certain what it's purpose is, then who would be?

I would like to see a little bit more of a definitive mission statement. You could put

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems including but not limited to: climate change, pollution, acid rain, depletion of natural resources, and natural disasters, in association with experts in the respective field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community

I should hope you know what the aims of the WAEC are, rather than think what they are. If you aren't certain what it's purpose is, then who would be?

I would like to see a little bit more of a definitive mission statement. You could puta) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems--including but not limited to climate change, pollution, acid rain, depletion of natural resources, and natural disasters--in association with experts in the respective field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community

Although I'd use the different punctuation in my quote above, I heartily endorse this change.

EDIT: To be clear, the punctuation is merely a suggestion and doesn't effect my endorsement.

On a minor issue of punctuation:

Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly; it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.
A comma leaves us with a run-on sentence, since the two portions are complete unto themselves. Either a semicolon or a full stop would be preferable.

That piece of polishing aside, we commend the honoured ambassador for a clear and useful proposal that we would be happy to support.

The proposal's in pretty good shape, and while I would suggest removing 'acid rain' (it makes no sense to single out one specific phenomenon while otherwise mentioning generalities) from the Cookeslandic suggestion, otherwise it makes sense.

-- Samantha Benson
Congressional Liaison, Office of WA Affairs
Quintessence of Dust, Delegate of Wysteria

Edits made:

RECOGNISING that the maintenance of a balance between the advances of modern life and the natural world is a vital but often neglected factor in the hope of the world’s continued prosperity.

REALISING that the World Assembly, as a governing body and aid to the international community as a whole, has the responsibility to help explore and protect the environment and its resources.

SECTION 1-The World Assembly Environmental Council

The World Assembly hereby creates the World Assembly Environmental Council (WAEC) as a neutral organisation for the benefit of the environment and our continued existence within it.

SECTION 2-The Aims and Activities of the WAEC

a) The WAEC shall conduct research to identify and resolve environmental problems including but not limited to: climate change, pollution, depletion of natural resources, and natural disasters, in association with experts in the respective field. Scientists shall be employed from around the world to produce detailed accounts and records for the WAEC to help them issue advice to the international community

b) The WAEC shall publish records of all its findings and activities and make them public. These shall include annual surveys of the condition of the environment and assessments of potential future dangers and damages.

c) Nations are urged to assist WAEC research within their own country. However, members must avoid putting pressure upon scientists so that WAEC work is without bias.

d) The WAEC has the authority to monitor the environment of international territory in addition to the environments of World Assembly members. All surveys and studies shall be carried out legally in accordance with international and national law.

e) Based upon the advice and suggestions of scientists and the facts made clear in WAEC scientific reports, the WAEC shall discuss and debate goals or limits to be aimed for by particular nations or by the World Assembly as a whole. The progress of nations to whom particular goals or limits have been suggested will be monitored and governments are strongly urged to cooperate with the activities of the Council.

SECTION 3- Funding of the WAEC

Funding for the WAEC shall come directly from the World Assembly; it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.

I like it. So when is it going to be resubmitted for Delegate vote?

I'm going on holiday for a few days, and if there are no further objections etc when I come back I will start asking for the approvals of delgegates and propose this act.

This is another call for further suggestions...

I still think its good enough for submission.

I still think its good enough for submission.

Agreed. I think it should be submitted ASAP.

Submitted.

I beg everybody's attention. This excellent piece of legislation needs only ten more Delegates' approvals to make it into queue, as of now (23 hours to go). It would be a real shame to let it expire.

DO. VOTE. NOW. (please) http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=environment

http://www.nomaas.org/images/drudge_siren.gif ONLY ONE DELEGATE STILL NEEDED! http://www.nomaas.org/images/drudge_siren.gif

FOUR HOURS TO GO!!!

Vote at

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=environment (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=environment)

Thanks for the support Sion!

Congrats on reaching quorum!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, just about scraped its way through. Now I can only pray it gets through the voting stage!

Considering that this is at vote, I think this thread needs to be BUMPed.

I agree. Do you think I need to request a thread name change?

I agree. Do you think I need to request a thread name change?
A request has already been posted in the Moderation forum. Patience. The Mods are likely busy and will get to it in due course.

Ah, I didn't know the post had been made.

A blanket draped over the dusty and paper-covered desk formerly occupied by the Allech-Atreus delegation shifts, ever so slighty, and a small puff of dusty air escapes its quilted confines, as well as a slight smell of sandalwood and mothballs. From beneath the stacks of yellowing papers and fabric emerges a tired-looking woman, yawning and smacking her lips in the manner of one who has been either asleep a very long time or is having considerable trouble extricating peanut butter from the roof of her mouth.

With a slightly bewildered look about her surrounding, briefly shielding her eyes from the harsh light assaulting her, she slowly realizes that her desk is covered with memos, resolution drafts, notices, unpaid bills, what appears to be paperwork from other delegations and, inexplicably considering she is well past menopause, a "congratulations on your pregnancy" card. Adjusting her wrinkled clothes and replacing her glasses, the woman brushes off the "Allech-Atreus" placard on the desk and in one motion sweeps a great pile of paper to the floor, replacing it with a nameplate reading "Wens Foroun, Ambassador."

She rises and clears her throat (several times, sounding like what could be several smokers hacking a lung) and announces in a rather deep voice:

"Now that my nap is over, the delegation from Allech-Atreus is prepared to debate. Does anyone have any toothpaste?"

Adjusting his wrinkled robe and overcoat and replacing his glasses, the man brushes off the "Allech-Atreus" placard on the desk and in one motion sweeps a great pile of paper to the floor, replacing it with a nameplate reading "Wens Foroun, Ambassador."Uh, we thought you were a chick? :confused:

Uh, we thought you were a chick? :confused:

I don't know what you mean. :D

Uh, we thought you were a chick? :confused:

Confusing someone for someone else is an easy enough mistake. People keep mistaking me for some gentleman named "Lex Luthor". I am sure I've never met this man, but if he looks anything like me, he must be a handsome devil.

As to this resolution, we have no particular problem with it, but we're not horribly enthusiastic about it either. Perhaps someone can convince us one way or the other.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

Well, there’s no denying that in the modern world environmental issues are more important than ever before. In fact, the future of our planet will be decided by the actions we make now; and it has to be now, before it’s too late to do anything at all.

Resolutions and legislation like this will have a dramatic effect on how we view and use the environment. I believe that we can change our course to destruction, but how can we change anything if we don’t know what it is we’re doing wrong? The WAEC will help advise the nations of the world on how they can change.

Sophia Hirsch, Ambassador for Parilisa

My country has a fledgling economy. I don't think I can afford to vote in favor of this bill due to the unnecessary strain it will place on my economy. Besides, The YinAbsol Federation already takes measures to safely expand.

Although the All-Order is not particularly happy about the prospect of an international environmental organization sticking its nose where doesn't belong (yes we are WA members and no, don't point fingers), we can't say we're too worried about this bill, should it pass.

Why? It possesses no real power. There's no mechanism for ensuring rectification of environmental problems discovered by the WAEC- the body has only the authority to survey and make suggestions to the international community.

To my mind, that means it's a means of creating useless bureaucracy and fluff, a drain on this organizations' hard-fought funding, and a dark horse through which the World Assembly might constrict the sovereignty of member-states.

We vote NAY.

Wens Foroun
Ambassador, Allech-Atreus

Why? It possesses no real power. There's no mechanism for ensuring rectification of environmental problems discovered by the WAEC- the body has only the authority to survey and make suggestions to the international community.


That is the intention; we realise that the suggestions made by the WAEC could be expensive or unsuitable or whatever to each particular nation, and so the WAEC simply sets out guidelines which a nation should choose to wrk within.

To my mind, that means it's a means of creating useless bureaucracy and fluff, a drain on this organizations' hard-fought funding, and a dark horse through which the World Assembly might constrict the sovereignty of member-states.

But the point is that the way this organisation is designed makes it very difficult for it to "constirct the sovereignity" of anybody. We've deliberately prevented it from being able to punish anyone for exactly this reason!

-Sophia Hirsch, Ambassador for Parilisa

That is the intention; we realise that the suggestions made by the WAEC could be expensive or unsuitable or whatever to each particular nation, and so the WAEC simply sets out guidelines which a nation should choose to wrk within.Well then, congratulations! You've just created a body whose directives would be just as meaningless as the Pirate Code!

Where be the Blasted Pirates when ye need them? Y'arrrrrr!!!

But the point is that the way this organisation is designed makes it very difficult for it to "constirct the sovereignity" of anybody. We've deliberately prevented it from being able to punish anyone for exactly this reason!I believe what my gender-confused colleague is referring to is possible future applications of this WAEC. You do realize that any committee created by the World Assembly may be used by other resolutions to carry out their goals, don't you? The WAEC seems harmless now, but may potentially be transformed into a tyrannical arm of world government by future mandates. Of course, anyone seeking to write such blasphemous legislation and enforce it through a committee doesn't need an existing committee; he can always just invent a new one -- but I'm drunk and ornery right now and need something on which to take out my frustrations. Therefore, YOU SUCK, WAEC!!

The Federal Republic votes no.

Confusing someone for someone else is an easy enough mistake. People keep mistaking me for some gentleman named "Lex Luthor". I am sure I've never met this man, but if he looks anything like me, he must be a handsome devil.Riiiight. "Mistaken for"... ~Cdr. Chiang

I believe what my gender-confused colleague is referring to is possible future applications of this WAEC. You do realize that any committee created by the World Assembly may be used by other resolutions to carry out their goals, don't you? The WAEC seems harmless now, but may potentially be transformed into a tyrannical arm of world government by future mandates. Of course, anyone seeking to write such blasphemous legislation and enforce it through a committee doesn't need an existing committee; he can always just invent a new one -- but I'm drunk and ornery right now and need something on which to take out my frustrations. Therefore, YOU SUCK, WAEC!!


As you point out, this could happen without the WAEC. And lets face it; it seems unlikely. If we all decided our decision on a resolution based on pure fantasy and unlikely "what ifs" we would get absolutely know where.

I hope you will reconsider.

Ah to see such optimism from youngsters today. It almost warms my own blackened soul. However I don't share in your faith that this unnessasary bureaucratic mess won't be abused, so I have voted against.
Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

Honestly, we can't see a problem with an organization to research the environment and make recommendations, even if it doesn't have any regulatory authority. Gnoria's vote is yea.

Douglas Moore
Secretary to the WA

That is the intention; we realise that the suggestions made by the WAEC could be expensive or unsuitable or whatever to each particular nation, and so the WAEC simply sets out guidelines which a nation should choose to wrk within.
Yes, but without a mechanism for enforcement what the hell's the point? If it doesn't have the power to actually do anything, isn't it just a gigantic money vacuum? Just a bureaucratic department that compiles reports and takes home paychecks?

But the point is that the way this organisation is designed makes it very difficult for it to "constrict the sovereignity" of anybody. We've deliberately prevented it from being able to punish anyone for exactly this reason!

Prevented it by giving it zero power. Which is a waste of resources and space.

As you point out, this could happen without the WAEC. And lets face it; it seems unlikely. If we all decided our decision on a resolution based on pure fantasy and unlikely "what ifs" we would get absolutely know where.

I hope you will reconsider.

All legislation is based on "what if." What if we had no more landmines, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? But let's face it; it seems unlikely. What if there was no more child labor, that'd be nice too. But hey, let's face it; it seems unlikely.

The point is that through reducing the effect on national sovereignty by not specifying the duties of the office more clearly, you're leaving the resolution open to modification in the future- which could restrict sovereignty and rights more than you imagined.

Wens Foroun
etc.

There is no reason to oppose this bill:

1) Funding comes from donations. Extra taxes will not be applied to your nation.

2) It does nothing to spread globalism.

There is no reason to oppose this bill:

1) Funding comes from donations. Extra taxes will not be applied to your nation.

2) It does nothing to spread globalism.

Funding for the WAEC will come from the WA coffers, which I suppose technically comes from donations, but I fail to see that as a shining example of fiscal responsibility. Why should our donated funds be used to pay the salaries of do-nothing bureaucrats and filthy, filthy gnomes? They aren't going to do anything other than file unactionable reports anyway- why should they get our cash?

Wens Foroun

We in Gnoria are troubled by our friends' cynical attitudes towards the importance of science. While it's true that the WAEC won't be able to "do anything" in terms of forcing people to do anything, it certainly does have the power to do research and issue recommendations - in other words, to learn something that then makes us all more informed about the environmental issues that face us. We in Gnoria are hopeful that the international cooperation in environmental research brought on in this committee will lead to important breakthroughs in the fields of environmental science and environmental management., and furthermore help to distribute information regarding these fields around the world so that all may benefit.

Douglas Moore
Secretary to the WA

Marktoria supports this.
Not only will it allow an organization formed for the soleppurpose of enviromental stability, it also will moniter the worlds enviroment.
Sincerely,
The World Assembly Imperial Ambassador from
The Imperial Republic of The Marktoria State.

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That is the intention; we realise that the suggestions made by the WAEC could be expensive or unsuitable or whatever to each particular nation, and so the WAEC simply sets out guidelines which a nation should choose to wrk within.

This is absolutely pointless. What you've basically just said is "We suggest that you do this, but hey, whatever works for you". This is a good point, to set up rules. However, these rules need to be iron-clad.

But the point is that the way this organisation is designed makes it very difficult for it to "constirct the sovereignity" of anybody. We've deliberately prevented it from being able to punish anyone for exactly this reason!

I do not agree with this at all.

I believe what my gender-confused colleague is referring to is possible future applications of this WAEC. You do realize that any committee created by the World Assembly may be used by other resolutions to carry out their goals, don't you? The WAEC seems harmless now, but may potentially be transformed into a tyrannical arm of world government by future mandates. Of course, anyone seeking to write such blasphemous legislation and enforce it through a committee doesn't need an existing committee; he can always just invent a new one -- but I'm drunk and ornery right now and need something on which to take out my frustrations. Therefore, YOU SUCK, WAEC!!



While those last couple of sentences where both unnecessary and unprofessional, I must agree with omigodtheykilledkenny.

The Dominion of Raz-Griz votes nay

Somewhat regretfully against. We were seriously considering abstaining, but decided our resounding "meh" towards the whole situation should be more accurately answered as "no point."

--Raymond Gardner

The region of Equinox has directed me to vote AGAINST this resolution, mainly because it creates unnecessary bureaucracy without really doing much of anything.

I believe in game show terms this would be called a "double whammy".

This resolution.. seems to do a lot.. of mostly taking funding and wasting it. It seems to Us- To be a resolution, for a plan, that will in turn help make a plan, that may help to formulate a plan of action...without any guide lines besides suggesting , and advising etc... Which forgive me, I don't see the point in this resolution nor why it even got to a vote. But of course it will pass so..



Voting against despite the futility.

Funding for the WAEC will come from the WA coffers, which I suppose technically comes from donations, but I fail to see that as a shining example of fiscal responsibility. Why should our donated funds be used to pay the salaries of do-nothing bureaucrats and filthy, filthy gnomes? They aren't going to do anything other than file unactionable reports anyway- why should they get our cash?

Wens Foroun

Because it will provide nations with greater knowledge on how to handle their enviornments.

We in Gnoria are troubled by our friends' cynical attitudes towards the importance of science....<snip!>

Douglas Moore
Secretary to the WA

What the hell are you babbling about? We of the Palentine...nay, most every region in the glorious frozen hellhole also known as the Antarctic Oasis has a great appreciation of science, and the benefits it can give society. I'll have you know that the Palentine probally has a larger number of Mad Sceintists, per capita, than any other nation in the world. Scientists in the Antarcitc Oasis have unlocked great secrets that man was never meant to know. Who do you think delevloped the exploding, or Kamikazi penguins? It was scentists from the AO, mate. Scientists of my very nation have made great strides indeveloping a personal teleportation device(rematerlization is still a problem though. Currently all the device seems to do is vaporize the test subject, but in an infinite universe anything is possible, perhaps the subject was teleported). Other nations in the AO have also made great strides in science, especially Cobdenia, who have nearly perfected Human cloning. Nay, we in the AO greatly love and respect science. However the science that is being promoted in this bill seems akin to junk science. I'm quite sure you could get the same results by gutting a sheep, and fondling the entrails looking for augaries from the gods.
Excelsior,
Senator Horatio Sulla

Personally, we don't like anything that interferes with our Industrial growth, even if the cause might seem worthy. Sorry, but we are voting "No". The loss of a few acres of trees does not justify the loss of millions of jobs.

This is a terrible resolution.

There is absolutely no way that this should be passed.
Environmental issues should NOT take priority over economic or other issues of greater importance.

I can already tell what will happen. These 'experts' will come in and conduct their studies, and those that focus their business on economic growth, especially through industrial means, (for example, Chasenia) will be instantly singled out, and chastised for the way they conduct business in their country. (Deforestation, for starters) This resolution is an easy way to point blame and put sanctions on those that strive to make their country economically powerful, and superior. While this will take a toll on large, already established economic nations, I utterly fear for how it will cripple those new, beginning Nations that have decided to put their economy first.

There is absolutely NO WAY that our world needs to put trees and bushes ahead of the welfare of the nations and their people. Nothing good will come out of this resolution, and I don't feel that it should have even been proposed.

Come with me, and let us fail this resolution, without question.

Signed,

Emperor of Chasenia.

This is a terrible resolution.

There is absolutely no way that this should be passed.
Environmental issues should NOT take priority over economic or other issues of greater importance.

I can already tell what will happen. These 'experts' will come in and conduct their studies, and those that focus their business on economic growth, especially through industrial means, (for example, Chasenia) will be instantly singled out, and chastised for the way they conduct business in their country. (Deforestation, for starters) This resolution is an easy way to point blame and put sanctions on those that strive to make their country economically powerful, and superior. While this will take a toll on large, already established economic nations, I utterly fear for how it will cripple those new, beginning Nations that have decided to put their economy first.

There is absolutely NO WAY that our world needs to put trees and bushes ahead of the welfare of the nations and their people. Nothing good will come out of this resolution, and I don't feel that it should have even been proposed.

Come with me, and let us fail this resolution, without question.

Signed,

Emperor of Chasenia.

Who: Serah Gey
Location: Kinda stuck in Earth's orbit... I think the engines are malfunctioning... Help?
Status: WA Delegate

I believe your fears are entirely unfounded. While it is true they can single you out and make recommendations, it is false that you can be sanctioned for it. In fact, if you stop and read carefully, you'll see that the advisory board this creates can actually do nothing. They can examine and recommend, but that's it. If you gathered the world's baby seals, trapped them in the last surviving rainforest, and then flooded it with radioactive sludge until the seals drowned in it, they couldn't stop you or even charge you a single hundredth of your currency for it.

You're right that nothing good will come of this. Nothing of all will come of this resolution. If it passes, just ignore the scientists and go on as always.

I am for it because it makes perfect sense the WAEC will keep the environment how it should be

I just want to know can WA members apply to join?

or do they have to be delegates

well I believe that the WA will take care of the economic and political issues and the WAEC will take care of the environmental issues.

I believe that the environment is a huge issue

OOC TLGA, it would be very much appreciated by myself and probably a few others if you did not post so many times but instead condensed your comments to a single post. I understand where the perceived necessity for such a posting style comes from, but I do not believe it is needed here.

Because it will provide nations with greater knowledge on how to handle their enviornments.

Which doesn't do a damn bit of good if nations are unwilling to change their environmental habits.

"Oh look dear, this nice little gnome has given us a briefing on heavy metal poisoning."
"Does it say we have to do anything about the pile of cadmium shavings in the backyard?"
"No."
"Into the trash she goes then!"

Unless there is some sort of mandate or power for the WAEC to make definite changes to environmental policy what's the point?

I am for it because it makes perfect sense the WAEC will keep the environment how it should be

No. The WAEC will tell you to keep the environment how it should be, which your government is free to ignore if it so chooses.

Wens Foroun

If the WAEC could pass binding orders I'd be against this. The whole point is to provide information, which my and every nation could use.

Thank god somebody see's the point, Greater Americania!

Yes. My nation especially could use this because enviornmental conditions are so low.

This is a terrible resolution.

There is absolutely no way that this should be passed.
Environmental issues should NOT take priority over economic or other issues of greater importance.

I can already tell what will happen. These 'experts' will come in and conduct their studies, and those that focus their business on economic growth, especially through industrial means, (for example, Chasenia) will be instantly singled out, and chastised for the way they conduct business in their country. (Deforestation, for starters) This resolution is an easy way to point blame and put sanctions on those that strive to make their country economically powerful, and superior. While this will take a toll on large, already established economic nations, I utterly fear for how it will cripple those new, beginning Nations that have decided to put their economy first.

There is absolutely NO WAY that our world needs to put trees and bushes ahead of the welfare of the nations and their people. Nothing good will come out of this resolution, and I don't feel that it should have even been proposed.

Come with me, and let us fail this resolution, without question.

Signed,

Emperor of Chasenia.

I wholeheartedly agree. This will do the exact same thing to Divinen, crushing our mighty industrial and technological economy under the weight of unnecessary and useless environmental protection laws that do nothing beneficial and only serve to hamper business.

I voted AGAINST this resolution and I encourage any industrial nation to do the same, for our economies' sake.

Signed,

President of Divinen

If the WAEC could pass binding orders I'd be against this. The whole point is to provide information, which my and every nation could use.

Who: Serah Gey
Location: Decaying orbit. I think this thing's coming down...

You must excuse me if I have to ask what the whole point is. None of the information they will provide will be any information you could not have gotten yourself by putting a little effort into it. And if you didn't have the capacity for it, I'm certain you could easily find another nation that would be happy to do it for you.

And people on your puny little blue ball wonder why I'm constantly telling them I'm smarter than them. Sheesh.

OOC: Serah Gey is just like this. She won't be around for long :D

The Resoltion was passed. Congradulations.