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If we were to create a World Assembly Security Council (WASC), what exactly would its role be? I propose that it acts a clan for the WA with optional entry and that it can be used to protect nations that are being raided. However, this is a forum and I wish to discuss what its role could actually be and what restrictions and rules would be on it.

In simplest terms, you can't have one.

It crosses over into the forbidden actions "Metagaming" and "Game Mechanics". See the "Rules for WA Proposals" thread at the top of this forum.

If it were allowable, I believe it wouldnt exist anyway, as there would be quite a number of nations opposing the idea

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

If it were allowable, I believe it wouldnt exist anyway, as there would be quite a number of nations opposing the idea

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

If it were allowable, we'd be for it per it would have been well-written, thought out, and with sensible rules/regulations. We have a rather large standing national army, with almost 50% of our nat'l budget going to National Defense and Security.

It's not allowable, so it's a moot point, people.

If it were allowable, we'd be for it per it would have been well-written, thought out, and with sensible rules/regulations. We have a rather large standing national army, with almost 50% of our nat'l budget going to National Defense and Security.

Where as we of Tai Lau are a small peaceable nation, and dont believe the need for it, though we could see where other nations would oppose it based on the fact that it is meddling.

To the representative from The Altan Steppes, though it isnt allowable, that doesnt mean we cant discuss the idea. While it will never be implemented, it is always interesting to hear the ideas of other nations on the subject

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

but surely one could create a clan or alliance called the WASC and pretend to use it as an army or peacekeeping force without repurcusions? (if that is how you spell it)

It's not allowable, so it's a moot point, people.

It just seems wrong to deny a democratic body the ability to decide what is allowable and what isn't. I understand its a long standing clause in our guides..but it still seems like rules for the sake of rules. Why don't we have a security council? Or a peacekeeping corps? If the diplomats want it, we should be delivering it. It's not like it would need extra code to be created, it's imaginary and intangible like any other organization that the WA perpetuates. Why not?

It just seems wrong to deny a democratic body the ability to decide what is allowable and what isn't. I understand its a long standing clause in our guides..but it still seems like rules for the sake of rules. Why don't we have a security council? Or a peacekeeping corps? If the diplomats want it, we should be delivering it. It's not like it would need extra code to be created, it's imaginary and intangible like any other organization that the WA perpetuates. Why not?

(OOC: I believe it is a game mechanics issue, really. I could be wrong though)

could you please show us exactly how it is against the rules and why we can't do it?

(OOC: I believe it is a game mechanics issue, really. I could be wrong though)

But if we don't change anything in the game mechanics, and just pretend it exists like we do with every other organization, what IS the problem?

all it would do really is to protect small regions that players create just for themselves, or their friends, and then the region is griefed and or raided and all that the WASC would do is help give them their land back. There are like what 10,000-11,000 of us and less would join, and besides yes a moderator could just fix the problem quickly, but the point of the WA is to help and protect and serve and to have fun! besides, its not like the rules are set forever. That is why amendments are made to the Constitution! Rules can't always apply to everybody for everything forever. They have to change when time calls for it!

why not? please, just show us where it says that
"There can not be a World Assembly Security Council or military force of any kind"

all it would do really is to protect small regions that players create just for themselves, or their friends, and then the region is griefed and or raided and all that the WASC would do is help give them their land back. There are like what 10,000-11,000 of us and less would join, and besides yes a moderator could just fix the problem quickly, but the point of the WA is to help and protect and serve and to have fun! besides, its not like the rules are set forever. That is why amendments are made to the Constitution! Rules can't always apply to everybody for everything forever. They have to change when time calls for it!

Well that IS game mechanics, I don't believe the WA to be the place for that, the Gameplay forum is good if you want to make a suggestion for the game to adopt.
But I could be wrong...

and i would like to apologize and rephrase, it does clearly say, and i quote
"Army, Police, SWAT, etc

The WA doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it."



so that is quite clear, but why? That is really what I meant.

why not? please, just show us where it says that
"There can not be a World Assembly Security Council or military force of any kind"

From the game mechanics section of the Rules for WA Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465):

# Army, Police, SWAT, etc

The WA doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it.

And from MetaGaming"

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

and i would like to apologize and rephrase, it does clearly say, and i quote
"Army, Police, SWAT, etc

The WA doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it."



so that is quite clear, but why? That is really what I meant.




Yes, yes, i know that as i state in my previous post, but i think we need an admin or mod to answer this question

Yes, yes, i know that as i state in my previous post, but i think we need an admin or mod to answer this question

The reason for the "No WA army" rule is that since all wars in NS are done via RPing in the forum the only way for a WA military to be truly impartial would be for a mod to run it and the mods have enough to do already.

The reason for the "No WA army" rule is that since all wars in NS are done via RPing in the forum the only way for a WA military to be truly impartial would be for a mod to run it and the mods have enough to do already.
And oh my god can you imagine the screams of Mod Bias if that happened?

And oh my god can you imagine the screams of Mod Bias if that happened?

If it does happen (which it won't), I hope I get advance notice so I can buy stock in companies that make earplugs.:D

so what if the security council was set up, but in theory, on the forums? you know, if someone complains, a nation investigates and if it is deemed nessecary, then the mods and admins can liberate or fix it.

what about something like that?

so what if the security council was set up, but in theory, on the forums? you know, if someone complains, a nation investigates and if it is deemed nessecary, then the mods and admins can liberate or fix it.

what about something like that?

You're not paying attention, the mods don't want this added to their workload hence the ban on a WA military.

yes i have been listening, and i get that, but what if you just make more mods or assign trustworthy nations to it, thus not increasing the worklload of existing mods?

Can I get a palmface here?....

yes i have been listening, and i get that, but what if you just make more mods or assign trustworthy nations to it, thus not increasing the worklload of existing mods?IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER!

Can I get a palmface here?....
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/bak42/icon_facepalm.gif

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER!

Well, let's not be ignorant to the possibility that the mods get tired of this constant bickering, (and instead of banning me...) they decide to allow a security council act to be decided on in the WA. It's not that far out of the realm of possibilities, there apparently is no prohibition of one to RP any other WA organization, so why should one fear about a security or peacekeeping force being RPed by someone that isn't a mod or game representative. Therefore it must be understood that the role-playing taken place in the International Incidents Section is not necessarily that of the official opinion of the WA, but of the individual RPer in question.

Well, let's not be ignorant to the possibility that the mods get tired of this constant bickering, (and instead of banning me...) they decide to allow a security council act to be decided on in the WA. It's not that far out of the realm of possibilities, there apparently is no prohibition of one to RP any other WA organization, so why should one fear about a security or peacekeeping force being RPed by someone that isn't a mod or game representative. Therefore it must be understood that the role-playing taken place in the International Incidents Section is not necessarily that of the official opinion of the WA, but of the individual RPer in question.

Actually, any council or committee created under the WA banner being RPed is out of the question. Under the MetaGaming heading in the rules:

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

-Ariovist Lynxkind, Ambassador

That doesn't state anything about Commitees being Rped? To avoid that line just don't RP with your own specific characters of a specific nationality being on the commitee, drop the specifics.

That doesn't state anything about Commitees being Rped? To avoid that line just don't RP with your own specific characters of a specific nationality being on the commitee, drop the specifics.

Theoretically, it could be done, but if The Pretenama Panel is any indication it won't last long if it even gets started.