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Freedom of Mass Genocide
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: The Deadly Irish

Description: Description: Assured that national genocide is an essential nations right deserving of international protection;

Determined that no other member states shall interfere with another nations actions regarding mass genocide within their own country;

Be it therefore resolved that the World Assembly:

Affirms the right of all nations governments to express their personal, moral, political, cultural, religious and ideological views on minorities within their own country freely and openly, without fear of reprisal from any other member states;

Requires member states to respect and uphold this right in all available media to all individuals under their jurisdiction;

Expects member states to enforce this right in the application of national laws.

I'm not sure if you know what genocide is, but this appears to be a shockingly horrific proposal. And you do realise that:

Expects member states to enforce this right in the application of national laws.

mandates that genocide - which in case you don't actually know, includes mass murder - be considered completely legal and, apparently, encouraged?

Either you're being deliberately offensive, which is quite clearly against the rules and could be worth an instant boot from the WA, or you really have no clue what genocide is, which is shocking.

Attempts to legalise peadophilia, now attempts to legalise genocide?

What is the world coming to? Does leftover Turkey damage the brains common sense nodes?

is this proposal a joke? it cant be a serious one, right? at last i hope so.

I wouldn't worry about, as far as I can see it's illegal. First off, it appears to me to do nothing but block any WA resolution on genocide, and secondly I don't see how it qualifies as "Furtherment of Democracy."

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

This is completely contrary to the aims of the WA as most of us see it. Legalizing genocide will plunge the whole world into a tragedy of mythical proportions. It is also the opposite to the furtherance of democracy.

We cannot endorse this for the safety of the world's civilians.

We're not sure if this is a joke or not. But either way, no. Bad WA ambassador!

*thwaps The Deadly Irish ambassador with a rolled-up newspaper*

-Jaris Krytellin etc.

This is a wrong proposal, as others have pointed out. But it does serve to highlight the absence of WA legislation to prevent and prosecute genocide.

WA legislation to prevent and prosecute genocide.

You know, you're on to something there.

I think that this guy is just hoping that there are a lot of "evil" governments out there that will support this. That is not the case here though.

While watching television, we stumbled upon a definition of genocide from the mythical land of RL. Genocide is defined as: "Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (Article 2 CPPCG)"

The People of Aundotutunagir would never do any of those things to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, thus we are not genocidal and we OPPOSE this legislation.

Attempts to legalise peadophilia (sic), now attempts to legalise genocide?

Yes, because an attempt to end discrimination is so similar to legalising (and possibly mandating) discriminatory killing. :rolleyes:

That said, if this is in the approval queue, I will do what I can to bring it to a full vote to watch it languish there.

Yes, because an attempt to end discrimination is so similar to legalising (and possibly mandating) discriminatory killing

Legalising paedofilia (let's call a spade a spade shall we?) and legalising genocide have certain things in common. Such as violating the WA ruling on grossly offensive proposals, and having adherents that either erroneously believe they are being amusing by advocating such beliefs in character, are trolls/flamebaiters, or believe OoC in such a thing with a certain amount of verisimilitude and thus clearly lack the mental faculties not just to comprehend the cogency of the opinion against them, but also yawn and piss simultaneously.

We understand that the Deadly Irish, like all nations, are concerned with maintaining independence and autonomy from all other groups. However, to expect a body like the World Assembly to approve such a terrible resolution as this is ludicrous. Genocide would be one of the main things the World Assembly will work to prevent; that, and massive war.

We advise any nation that feel this resolution is necessary to simply leave the World Assembly now. Your needs are not going to be met here.

Hirman Goostren
Theocracy of Harmonious Treefolk

This resolution and its authors disgust us. We cannot imagine what could motivate this a nation to propose such a statute and we do not wish to know.

e.t.c.,

You know, you're on to something there.
Please don't you try to write it, though. I was musing out loud.

maybe he was just trying to gain our attention?

Wachichi

p.s. apparantly it's working.

lol, What? Got a problem with my proposal writing skills?

I would watch your step if you're ever walking alone, in the dark, at one of the many infamous prostitution/cheese distribution sectors of Unibot. Muhahahaha!!!! :)

And I would also keep away from the basketweaving neighbourhoods too (largely due to the fact that they're mostly retirement homes, and you WOULD NOT like our retirement homes...our seniors sleep with shards of glass under their pillows).

My fellow Delegates!
We Deadly Irish are neither supporting nor condoning Mass Genocide. BUT if it came to be that you had to get rid of a race of a particular persuasion, creed, colour, religion etc you could do so without fear of reprisal from the fellow WA members. We are not saying that we (The Deadly Irish) indulge ourselves in the act of Mass Genocide. On the contrary. In fact, we are a small peaceful nation who have recently overthrown a corrupt Dictator.

To Ambassador Kelssek I say sit down before I throw my pen at you. Of course we know what Mass Genocide is and one more smart remark from you, will lead to grave difficulties for you and your nation.

I bid you all a good day.

Ambassador Ó Se, The Dominion of The Deadly Irish

BUT if it came to be that you had to get rid of a race of a particular persuasion, creed, colour, religion etc you could do so without fear of reprisal from the fellow WA members.

Right. So this is definitely under "grossly offensive" then, and therefore illegal. And if you cannot understand why this is grossly offensive there really is no hope for you.

To Ambassador Kelssek I say sit down before I throw my pen at you. Of course we know what Mass Genocide is and one more smart remark from you, will lead to grave difficulties for you and your nation.

You're a funny one... no wait, are you serious? What exactly are you threatening to do to our cemeteries? Careful there, we have not just nukes, but n00kes, you know.

Eric Lattener
Ambassador to the WA

My fellow Delegates!
We Deadly Irish are neither supporting nor condoning Mass Genocide. BUT if it came to be that you had to get rid of a race of a particular persuasion, creed, colour, religion etc you could do so without fear of reprisal from the fellow WA members. We are not saying that we (The Deadly Irish) indulge ourselves in the act of Mass Genocide. On the contrary. In fact, we are a small peaceful nation who have recently overthrown a corrupt Dictator.

To Ambassador Kelssek I say sit down before I throw my pen at you. Of course we know what Mass Genocide is and one more smart remark from you, will lead to grave difficulties for you and your nation.

I bid you all a good day.

Ambassador Ó Se, The Dominion of The Deadly Irish




It seems that the people of The Dominion of The Deadly Irish have been most grievously served by their rulers who have sent representatives to this organisation who make dangerously imbecilic threats and propose vile statutory implements which legalise mass murder.

We can only presume that the government of The Deadly Irish must desire its own demise, firstly by ostracism from the international community and secondly by provoking the hostility of nations it cannot hope to bully and intimidate.

We pity The Deadly Irish who's leaders seek figurative and possibly actual annihilation for their state.



Yours e.t.c. ,

My fellow Delegates!
We Deadly Irish are neither supporting nor condoning Mass Genocide. BUT if it came to be that you had to get rid of a race of a particular persuasion, creed, colour, religion etc you could do so without fear of reprisal from the fellow WA members. We are not saying that we (The Deadly Irish) indulge ourselves in the act of Mass Genocide. On the contrary. In fact, we are a small peaceful nation who have recently overthrown a corrupt Dictator.

To Ambassador Kelssek I say sit down before I throw my pen at you. Of course we know what Mass Genocide is and one more smart remark from you, will lead to grave difficulties for you and your nation.

I bid you all a good day.

Ambassador Ó Se, The Dominion of The Deadly IrishThat's good, I have a nation of Deadly Irish people I have in mind to inflict a few genocidal acts upon.

No?

That's good, I have a nation of Deadly Irish people I have in mind to inflict a few genocidal acts upon.

No?
I don't know which is worse, this grossly offensive proposal or an Englishman making jokes about Irish genocide.

*Regáin Ó Se, The Deadly Irish Ambassador stands up and clears his throat*

"Oh I'm sorry! Your nations must be heaven on earth to live in! Can I live there, please??!!"

*A trickle of laughter runs through the chamber*

"It has been my experience that nearly every single nation has committed the crime of mass murder or 'Genocide'. Anytime that you kill thousands of troops in battle, or any nation that has the death penalty. Both of these examples are forms of mass murder in their own right. Why are these so different?! Double standards ladies and gentlemen. Thats why! Our world has been taken over by a select few nations who rule, pass laws and impose their ways on the rest of us. They call our actions, laws and cultures barbaric and unethical yet when they do it, they do it surrounded by red tape and legislation. And get away with it. Good day to you Sir's!"

*Ambassador Ó Se stalks out of the chamber*

What an incredibly annoying typeface

OOC: Can we just get a mod to lock the thread due to the grossly offensive proposal and be done with it?

That would be a good idea. I am worried it could turn into a... can't describe.

Bah! He managed to walk out before anybody got around to defenstrating him... :(

OOC: Can we just get a mod to lock the thread due to the grossly offensive proposal and be done with it?
OOC: I'm not sure there's precedent for locking threads just because the proposal is offensive or illegal. Now if the thread degenerates into off-topicness or is rife with trolling or flaming that might be a good reason to close it. But in my opinion a thread shouldn't be locked just because a proposal is illegal. There's always the chance that through the drafting process it could be somehow made legal, though I'm at a loss as to how this one could be.

In that case, I suggest off topicnes!

Anyone see the last Top Gear? Good, wasn't it?

Not bad.

IC: We need to find a strategy to bring to justice those who mastermind genocide. I know that not all of you support the death penalty as we do (but we're flexible to international law), but we have to ensure that those convicted of genocide are put away for life.

Then we would need international co-operation to investigate an catch those responsible before doing that.

Finally, there may be a need to accord compensation to the survivors and relatives of victims out of the offending nation's cash or assets.

IC: We need to find a strategy to bring to justice those who mastermind genocide. I know that not all of you support the death penalty as we do (but we're flexible to international law), but we have to ensure that those convicted of genocide are put away for life.

Then we would need international co-operation to investigate an catch those responsible before doing that.

An interesting idea. Although we must refrain from creating any kind of international police force or military as arms of the WA, we could increase cooperation between nations in regards to how we treat apprehended genocidal criminals.

Perhaps we need a war crimes resolution, or something similar? If interested, start another thread soon.

Finally, there may be a need to accord compensation to the survivors and relatives of victims out of the offending nation's cash or assets.

That will not work in many circumstances. 1st, not all genocide is state-sponsored. Many times it is rogue warlords or the like.

2nd, genocidal maniacs are usually caught after their forces have been deposed. This often means that the government (or whatever power structure that supported the criminal) has been toppled and destroyed. Therefore, there is no legitimate body from which to take restitutions.

Furthermore, imposing stiff penalties on a government for a previous regime's crimes can lead to hostility and worse.

Instead, how about the assets of the regime group, seized by the arresting co-op police?

What I mean by co-op is the co-operative of police forces teamed up to investigate, not the supermarket.

Oscar is a really funny dude. I think he really was the star of Arrested Development. He was ..like, the Kramer of Seinfeld, Anybody else?

Or are we still trying to end the forum with off-topicness?

No, we're not; we've got rules about that, remember?

Ah, but if we could lock threads because we found the proposal content grossly offensive -- tremble, O ye poor spellers! And be abashed, all ye who flout the Grammar Laws! For I, Rogue Mod, will lay thee low! And woe unto ye Free Traders! Nor wilt thine anti-union legislation stand, for it is Abomination in mine eyes ...

See what you'd have to put up with? Be glad Max has leashed us in. Somewhat.

Ah, but if we could lock threads because we found the proposal content grossly offensive -- tremble, O ye poor spellers! And be abashed, all ye who flout the Grammar Laws! For I, Rogue Mod, will lay thee low! And woe unto ye Free Traders! Nor wilt thine anti-union legislation stand, for it is Abomination in mine eyes

Spam? or Jack Black, which/who would win in a fight? Come on...

Insults are a nice way to get even the greatest threads locked.

New Leicester's eyes are too close together. Also, he put pink spoky-doky's on his bicycle, which makes him a girl.

Quintessence of Dust once jumped on Philip Schofields back and demanded to be flown to the nearest star-gate

Omigodtheykilledkenny deliberately broke a dairymaids heart with a sarcastic puppet shew,

The Eternal Kawaii can suddenly turninto a two dimensional diagramme of himself printed onto the inside of a ball bearing which continually rolls out of your field of vision as soon as you see notice it's there,

Gobbannium once changed his name to Baron Plop-Plop and is known to fly across Devon in an undersized Sopwith Camel with a hole in the bottom so he could stick his bum out and poo on people trying to enjoy their picnics below

Insults are a nice way to get even the greatest threads locked.

I've seen drunken fish that can propose more immaculate compositions of words than you. Ha! :)

(Most people claim when reading my proposals that I'm either foreign to the English language or drunk, by the way :$)

New Leicester's eyes are too close together. Also, he put pink spoky-doky's on his bicycle, which makes him a girl.

Quintessence of Dust once jumped on Philip Schofields back and demanded to be flown to the nearest star-gate

Omigodtheykilledkenny deliberately broke a dairymaids heart with a sarcastic puppet shew,

The Eternal Kawaii can suddenly turninto a two dimensional diagramme of himself printed onto the inside of a ball bearing which continually rolls out of your field of vision as soon as you see notice it's there,

Gobbannium once changed his name to Baron Plop-Plop and is known to fly across Devon in an undersized Sopwith Camel with a hole in the bottom so he could stick his bum out and poo on people trying to enjoy their picnics below
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Okay I can't beat that. Willy Nelson is somewhere, smoking a joint, and...smoking a joint, but besides that he's praising your natural way with words...while smoking a joint.

Maybe if I uploaded some porn this would get locked quicker, or would I just get banned?

New Leicester's eyes are too close together. Also, he put pink spoky-doky's on his bicycle, which makes him a girl.
Cobdenia cuts down trees.
He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars.

I here by commandeer this thread!

http://cdn-www.answerbag.com/images/answers/388012/1542610/tmb_DontEatMe.jpg

To talk about a rising issue,

If the world's dictators and seals in the Arctic mated. Would we face an epidemic of biblical and zoological proportions? (anybody who has had the "pleasure" of seeing Adam Sandler talk in movies about the size of a Walrus's dick knows what I mean). Personally I feel John Lennon was trying to tell us all along people. "Here's a little clue for you all the walrus was Paul!" Come on people, read Alice in Wonderland, the Walrus ate all the oysters, they're bad people, and who is trying to save the aquatic Arctic life (namely evil seals)...Paul "If-I-Could-Sell-Yoko-On-Ebay-For-More-Cash-I-Would" McCartney!

Attempts to legalise peadophilia, now attempts to legalise genocide?

Why not combine the two, and legalize genocide against nations that practice pedophilia?

Maybe if I uploaded some porn this would get locked quicker, or would I just get banned?

Yes.

Now decide which question I've answered -- the "locked quicker" part, or the "banned" part?

I wouldn't worry about, as far as I can see it's illegal. First off, it appears to me to do nothing but block any WA resolution on genocide, and secondly I don't see how it qualifies as "Furtherment of Democracy."

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Well, although I may have no right to speak, as I am new to this debating affair, I would have to say that this is, in a slight way, qualified as a "Furtherment of Democracy", only because this proposal is asking us to "VOTE" on the matter of Genocide.

I, personally, believe that what this person is PROPOSING (NOT enforcing), is that when a Nation (Most likely under Anarchy, Religious Governments of many sorts, Dictatorship, Oligarchy, ETC.) decides that it wishes to, I wouldn't say Kill, but to 'Dispatch' of a group of people (Which could in fact, just plainly be murderers) at that government's own will, that another Nation, which may have NOTHING to do with the situation, would not intervene.

I, in fact, do agree with this proposal, but not to the full extent that most people would think of. Since Dictatorship cannot be controlled, I would say that no one should intrude on one's government's doing's. Now, if I were to have some of my Nations people enter that Nation, where Dictatorship resides, and they were to perform this Genocide, and include my people in the losses, then I would in fact interrupt.

So, as a way to fix this proposal to many others' likings, I would say to re-write it, to state that as long as the people being slaughtered are citizens of that specific Nation, and not of another's, then to go ahead and perform Genocide.

~Signed, but suggests a new proposal to include those terms listed above~

Okay, you've convinced me to start drafting an anti-genocide resolution. Happy now?

Well, although I may have no right to speak, as I am new to this debating affair, I would have to say that this is, in a slight way, qualified as a "Furtherment of Democracy", only because this proposal is asking us to "VOTE" on the matter of Genocide. With that logic everything should be filed under Furtherment of Democracy irregardless of what the proposal actually does.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

With that logic everything should be filed under Furtherment of Democracy irregardless of what the proposal actually does.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

If I am not mistaken, I would guess that what you mean by that statement, would be that everything proposed is part of Democracy? If that IS what you mean, then I would agree because everyone who votes, is Voting , thus meaning it is Democratic... Now I do not know if you are trying to insult me, or if you are agreeing with me...

Now I do not know if you are trying to insult me, or if you are agreeing with me...

Welcome to the WA.

If I am not mistaken, I would guess that what you mean by that statement, would be that everything proposed is part of Democracy? If that IS what you mean, then I would agree because everyone who votes, is Voting , thus meaning it is Democratic... Now I do not know if you are trying to insult me, or if you are agreeing with me...

The charming Bob Flibble is not trying to insult you, he's trying to help you get used to the WA. "Democracy" as a word is a general term, but the WA category "Furtherment of Democracy" is very specific.

If you were to act on the assumption that a proposal belonged in "Furtherment of Democracy" simply because it involved WA members voting, you might submit it in the wrong category.

Submitting a proposal in the wrong category can get it deleted as illegal and the player warned. So Bob's trying to keep you out of trouble.

Maybe you should shout him a drink in the Strangers' Bar.:tongue:

Not to step on Ard's toes, but... locked.