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Anti-Personnel Landmine Deactivation and Destruction Treaty
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: mild
Proposed by: Isamora
Description:

World Assembly members provide security to their citizens and allies in times of war against aggressive internal and external threats including terrorists and rogue states. Wars are brutal with civilians accounting for most of the casualties once the conflict has ended.

World Assembly members unlike rogue nation-states or terrorists try to cut down on inflicting civilian casualties as they have the moral prorogative to maintain a conduct unknown to their enemies but allowes them to present their population with a "reasoning" for the conflict that befalls them.

Anti-personnel landmines is a destructive weapon that targets enemy forces. This weapon usually targets innocent civilians though especially children who think it is a toy. And this weapon still remains in effect long after the conflict is over.

Definition:

Landmines are an incinery explosive device that are manufactured to be placed on the ground concealed from view so it cannot be deactivated by enemy forces. It is intended to explode when triggered by an operator or in proximity to a vehicle, person, or animal. Landmines are commonly used to ensure that the opposing force cannot use the area for its’ tactical advantage.

Resulting Effect:

Anti-personnel landmines are controversial as they remain operational after the conflict is over usually resulting in the killing and injuring of civilians. When nations try to remove these hidden weapons of destruction there is danger involved in deactivating landmines and it is slow and extremely costly work for a individual government.

Article 1 § The World Assembly shall assist fellow World Assembly member states recovering from conflict in mapping out where all landmines have been deployed on member state soil and by their militaries in internal and external conflicts that have gone "cold".

Article 2 § The World Assembly shall thus ask Member States to volunteer specially trained landmine deactivators to go to these "cold" conflicts and educate civilians on the dangers of landmines and where they are currently located with up to date maps as stated in Artile 1§.
1) These volunteers will be called the Landmine Deactivation Unit or LDU.

Article 3 § These (LDU) volunteers will then target anti-personnel landmines as they are the most threatening to civilian populations. The LDU volunteers will deactivate and destroy deactivated landmines in these areas.

Article 4 § The World Assembly shall thus halt the trade and distribution of anti-personnel landmines to arms dealers, non World Assembly Members and terrorist organizations classified as such by the World Assembly. and reduce anti-personnel landmines within each members arsenals in the next five years until their are no anti-personnel landmines in member states arsenals.

Article 5 § The Landmine Deactivation Unit will request volunteers and funding from World Assembly members. Member states on a voluntary basis will contributeto ending anti-personnel landmines. These volunteers shall thus never be sent to a conflict-zone unless it is "cold" for personnel safety, and for the risk of replanted landmines in areas thought deactivated. A cold conflict is thus referred to as a conflict where all hostilities have ceased and a peace deal is in place.

You don't have to keep posting new threads for every revised draft. This could have gone in the old thread. I think we have about a half-dozen threads on the first page now that are no more than authors starting a new thread for a revised draft.

You don't have to keep posting new threads for every revised draft. This could have gone in the old thread. I think we have about a half-dozen threads on the first page now that are no more than authors starting a new thread for a revised draft.
I brought that up (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576273) in Moderation before.

I see you're doing some improvements but I see the LDU as a form of world army. Instead, how about forcing member states' armies to do the cleaning up?

Additionally, I see a few unproven statistics such as the phrase "victims that make up roughly 70% to 90% of all casualties in any conflict". my suggestion would be to just say the facts like "landmines causes civilian casualties than military casualties" and "landmines can be well-concealed from view".

I brought that up (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576273) in Moderation before.

Yeah, orright, quit nagging! Just lemme get this chook seasoned and the jelly made and drain the rice and peel the potatoes and I'll be right with you ...

Yeah, orright, quit nagging! Just lemme get this chook seasoned and the jelly made and drain the rice and peel the potatoes and I'll be right with you ...
I wasn't nagging: my complaint was addressed. I was grousing, which is quite another kind of contrariness altogether.

:hail:

Name your seconds, sirrah! Dictionaries at dawn!:D

Any more suggestions?

I have submitted this article for voting by World Assembly delegates.

I understand that Quintessence of Dust delegation has strong views against this resolution and the way I created, edited and listened to other views which I totally respect. They believe I haven't listened to other views however, this article is largely different from when I tried to started out to ban all landmines. Maybe I have posted to many things that have made it confusing for members or some things they just don't want to part with which is fair.

Currently I am searching for delegates until tomorrow the 27th and currently I have 40 votes for my resolution. Will I get 26 I do not know.

However, if it does not meet the 66 delegates I will bring it back for reworking with Quintessence of Dust and others suggestions to draft it so that it will be acceptable to the majority World Assembly community.

I have a suggestion: file a Getting Help request that this be pulled, because it getting to vote would be a disaster. The grammar is horrible enough to make this ambiguous, and as a result it won't do what you want. Take this for example:

Article 4 § The World Assembly shall thus halt the trade and distribution of anti-personnel landmines to arms dealers, non World Assembly Members and terrorist organizations classified as such by the World Assembly.

Will it now? Can you point to a single line that's actually going to achieve this? You might have thought this one would, except that little word "thus" means that this is just explaining the consequence of something previous. There isn't anything previous that prevents a single landmine being traded, but little details like the truth have never stopped WA resolutions before.

--
Cerys Coch, trying to find a new broom cupboard to stuff her ambassador in.

Seriously, as it stands this is as much of a chocolate tea-pot as the unlamented Prevention of Terrorism act.

Going good so far but perhaps I might be able to improve it. I have a recommendation that you should keep the discussion in one thread so I don't have to run around the halls like a maniac, and we don't appear to just need a LDU. As I said, how about forcing the member states' armies in general to do the cleaning up?

It would be a great idea to file a GHR to have this voluntarily pulled, and once that's done I can have a close look at it. But I strongly recommend a blanket ban on anti-personnel landmines.

There is no way he'll have it pulled. Dibs on the repeal.

I think there's no way it's going to fail at vote either. Perhaps I should start thinking of one since I've never written an repeal before. Please submit your arguments for collaboration.

I think there's no way it's going to fail at vote either. Perhaps I should start thinking of one since I've never written an repeal before. Please submit your arguments for collaboration.
So what you're basically saying is: seeing as you've never written a repeal, you want us to write it for you.

Funny, I don't really see that happening.

No, I must have said it the wrong way round. I forgot to add that I had to write it first. I will do that, then you comment. I just have to read the proposal first to get ideas.

Here are my draft ideas:

The World Assembly,

Annoyed that once again we have a resolution that promises something good yet it is riddled with both underestimates, overestimates and shortcomings;

Admitting that the author of this resolution has been very helpful to the WA with a serious attempt to ban anti-personnel landmines, those whatsits that has the capability to claim both military and civilian casualties, but;

Concerned that a special voluntary force called the Landmine Deactivation Unit (LDU) had been created our of general WA resources, solely to disarm landmines, when in fact it would have been more cost-efficient to send the regular armed forces of member states to disarm them;

Furthermore, the functions of the LDU puts unnecessary pressure on the WA general fund, whereas the resources wasted would have been put towards much more important projects like eradicating an infectious disease from the face of the world or even banning more destructive weapons like landmines. As for “cold” conflicts: how would the author think that there would be no battles involving landmines in a “cold” conflict? That would put lives of the LDU volunteers at risk.

Declares the resolution at is current form to be unacceptable for the aims of the WA. Spelling mistakes not good enough for you, eh?

Harrumphingly, the WA hereby:
1. Places the resolution with rotten tomatoes in a large saucepan with 3 cups of hot water, bringing it to the boil for 10-12 minutes;
2. Melts the chocolate bars in a large frying pan over the fire, adding the onions before cooking for 3 minutes;
3. Stirs in the garlic and other unnamed trash, before adding the resolution to the pan and mixing well for another 3 minutes;
4. Serves the final dish piping hot to the ambassadors with poppadums.

Realizing that the dish tastes so putrid, thereby proving in one way that an amendment to any resolution was INDEED impossible, the WA has been left with no choice but to simply REPEAL WA Resolution #30: Anti Personnel Landmine Treaty.

Opens up opportunities to form a better, more stringent resolution to disarm and ban anti-personnel landmines with fewer burdens on the WA general fund.


I liked that Repeal "Max Barry Day" resolution of the UN days so I decided to do something similar. Another version:

Calling all member states of the World Assembly,

Hooraying on the author of this resolution that has contributed to the WA with a serious attempt to ban anti-personnel landmines, the whatsits that has the capability to claim both military and civilian casualties, but;

Annoyed that the resolution that made great promises were riddled with both underestimates, overestimates and shortcomings;

Remorsefully concerned at the fact that a special voluntary force called the Landmine Deactivation Unit (LDU) had been created our of general WA resources, solely to disarm landmines, when in fact it would have been more cost-efficient to send the regular armed forces of member states to disarm them;

Last but not least, the functions of the LDU puts unnecessary pressure on the WA general fund, whereas the resources wasted would have been put towards much more important projects like eradicating an infectious disease from the face of the world or even banning more destructive weapons like landmines. As for “cold” conflicts: how would the author think that there would be no battles involving landmines in a “cold” conflict? That would put lives of the LDU volunteers at risk.

Openly declares the resolution at is current form to be unsuitable for the aims of the WA. Spelling mistakes not good enough for you, eh?

Troubled deeply by Resolution #30, the WA hereby:
1. Places the resolution with rotten tomatoes in a large saucepan with 3 cups of hot water, bringing it to the boil for 10-12 minutes;
2. Melts the chocolate bars in a large frying pan over the fire, adding the onions before cooking for 3 minutes;
3. Stirs in the garlic and other unnamed trash, before adding the resolution to the pan and mixing well for another 3 minutes;
4. Serves the final dish piping hot to the ambassadors with poppadums.

Tediously realizing that the dish tastes so awful, thereby proving in one way that an amendment to any resolution was INDEED impossible, the WA has been left with no choice but to simply REPEAL WA Resolution #30: Anti Personnel Landmine Treaty.

Establishes and opens up opportunities to form a better, more stringent resolution to disarm and ban anti-personnel landmines with fewer burdens on the WA general fund.

So I have put it forward to moderation to have it pulled. Is there some game thing I have to do as well?

And Dust why don't you keep your mouth shut till you know for sure. I want my resolutions to pass without the chance of repeal.

Where do I do a GHR?

Here: http://www.nationstates.net/07911/page=help

The problem description drop-down box should be "Other: Response to Moderator".

Posted for re-editing:

Anti Personnel Landmine Treaty
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Isamora

Description: World Assembly members provide security to their citizens and allies in times of war against aggressive internal and external threats including terrorists and rogue states. Wars are brutal with civilians accounting for most of the casualties once the conflict has ended.

World Assembly members unlike rogue nation-states or terrorists try to cut down on inflicting civilian casualties as they have the moral prorogative to maintain a conduct unknown to their enemies but allowes them to present their population with a "reasoning" for the conflict that befalls them.

Anti-personnel landmines is a destructive weapon that targets enemy forces. This weapon usually targets innocent civilians though especially children who think it is a toy. And this weapon still remains in effect long after the conflict is over.

Definition:

Landmines are an incinery explosive device that are manufactured to be placed on the ground concealed from view so it cannot be deactivated by enemy forces. It is intended to explode when triggered by an operator or in proximity to a vehicle, person, or animal. Landmines are commonly used to ensure that the opposing force cannot use the area for its’ tactical advantage.

Resulting Effect:

Anti-personnel landmines are controversial as they remain operational after the conflict is over usually resulting in the killing and injuring of civilians. When nations try to remove these hidden weapons of destruction there is danger involved in deactivating landmines and it is slow and extremely costly work for a individual government.

Article 1 § The World Assembly shall assist fellow World Assembly member states recovering from conflict in mapping out where all landmines have been deployed on member state soil and by their militaries in internal and external conflicts that have gone "cold".

Article 2 § The World Assembly shall thus ask Member States to volunteer specially trained landmine deactivators to go to these "cold" conflicts and educate civilians on the dangers of landmines and where they are currently located with up to date maps as stated in Artile 1§.
1) These volunteers will be called the Landmine Deactivation Unit or LDU.

Article 3 § These (LDU) volunteers will then target anti-personnel landmines as they are the most threatening to civilian populations. The LDU volunteers will deactivate and destroy deactivated landmines in these areas.

Article 4 § The World Assembly shall thus halt the trade and distribution of anti-personnel landmines to arms dealers, non World Assembly Members and terrorist organizations classified as such by the World Assembly. and reduce anti-personnel landmines within each members arsenals in the next five years until their are no anti-personnel landmines in member states arsenals.

Article 5 § The Landmine Deactivation Unit will request volunteers and funding from World Assembly members. Member states on a voluntary basis will contributeto ending anti-personnel landmines. These volunteers shall thus never be sent to a conflict-zone unless it is "cold" for personnel safety, and for the risk of replanted landmines in areas thought deactivated. A cold conflict is thus referred to as a conflict where all hostilities have ceased and a peace deal is in place.

Approvals: 81 (Lygonia, Jimmy Hart, Floreria, Bataaf, Nothgual, Anchilla, Atanatari, Travancore-Cochin, Nurdia, Rolamec, Grosse-merde, Xanthal, East Kurdistan, New Old New New York, Alivad, Mushet, Linux and the X, Unitus Romanus, Minyos, Minndom, Integrum libertatis, Doncheadle, Menottowa, Winstoniea, Najasamapetilania, Lucanian Shires, Ventei, Punggol, Earth Worshippers, Estroban, Chazzistan, Rocco Mediate, Aleckastan, Nundenluss, North Ascension, Belarum, Eva Zeisel, Justron, The KAT Administration, Luna Amore, NarfNarf, Graalium, The Hyuga, MacEnthailand, Lyochia, Spam Virgins, Cognopolis, EVOO, Mykrr, Allied Norton, Recia, The Peppermint, Collectivity, JshBet8, Carnage n Destruction, Emblia, Aardovinia, Royal British States, Tripunithura, New Hacktonia, Lancaster 1957, Ubu-Rex, Hellenic Rebels, Wild Lands of North, Nemonicus, Quffuffull, Eastfield Lodge, Anemos Major, Blojenberg, Little Basses, Masclins, Brunelian BG advocates, Borritania, Neo Ozia, Tir nan Cleireach, Noomovia, Steadfest, Vryland, South Lorenya, The Higher Rising, Black Rhino)

I've lodged the request.

Okay, onto the redraft. First, we need to get rid of the LDU totally: the regular armed forces will be made to disarm the landmines. Secondly, there should be no timetable: What I mean by a blanket ban, to which I suggest, is that all landmines are immediately disarmed and banned from sale, completely wiped out from member states.

Okay, onto the redraft. First, we need to get rid of the LDU totally
No, first we need to ignore the above.

Second, defining landmines using English words is probably the best place to start. Landmines are not 'incendiary' weapons, even if it is spelled correctly.
Edit :D !!
I have put in the request for appealing it. However, I do not want any suggestions from you or any support from you in re-editing my proposal, as there are enough helpful people and as my proposal shows enough support from the World Assembly that I don't have to listen to anything you say.

Go bug someone else or try to write your own proposal if you have the guts.
Tee hee.

OOC: It's reached quorum... :(

OOC: It's reached quorum... :(
Yes it has and soon you silly WA members will be enacting it.

The Aundotutunagirian People support this proposal and look forward to the increased protection it will bring to the landmine manufacturing sector. A brilliant piece of blocking legislation, well done!

OOC: It's reached quorum... :(

OOC: Yes, and a request was filed in the mod forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577770) for its deletion, I suppose the big question is, was an actual Getting Help request filed.

Yes there was a request made.

Things to do now the mods have pulled the original draft:

1) Ignore Charlotte.
2) Don't ignore Sam.
3) Re-read this thread. Several points have already raised, and you need to consider them.
4) Redraft, bearing in mind what's already been said.
5) Spellcheck. Seriously, what's here is embarrassing.
6) Grammar check, though that's less important.
7) Put it aside for a day or two, then re-read it; something will have gone kersplooie somewhere in the above.

--
Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

Hey, I have my ideas too! They may come useful too.

I've gone back to serious work now that I've overcome what was probably the worst Christmas ever.

I am greatly distressed that I have seen neither further work done on this resolution nor a replacement for approval. May I be assured that another proposal is forthcoming? I believe this issue warrants action, and if no one else intends to take up the cause, I will do so myself; if only so it has a chance at a vote before the full Assembly.

Riley Fluffer
Representative, Agent of the Delegacy, etc.

An alternative resolution:

WHEREAS the length of time landmines are active is not limited to the length of the conflict in which they are deployed;

and WHEREAS there is little way to guarantee that landmines will injure or kill military targets as opposed to civilians;

and WHEREAS any weapon that kills and injures that indiscriminately should never be deployed;

THEREFORE:

1: The use, manufacture, and possession of landmines are prohibited in all WA nations.

Throw in a definition of landmines and you have a perfect resolution. ;)

An alternative resolution:

WHEREAS the length of time landmines are active is not limited to the length of the conflict in which they are deployed;

and WHEREAS there is little way to guarantee that landmines will injure or kill military targets as opposed to civilians;

and WHEREAS any weapon that kills and injures that indiscriminately should never be deployed;

THEREFORE:

1: The use, manufacture, and possession of landmines are prohibited in all WA nations.

Throw in a definition of landmines and you have a perfect resolution. ;)

No.

-Arjel Khazaran, Deputy Ambassador

No.

-Arjel Khazaran, Deputy Ambassador

Ya think? I might have been joking. ;)

Ya think? I might have been joking. ;)

Perhaps, but we Argali don't joke when it comes to war. But I'll try to laugh.

Ha...ha...no, it's not quite happening, sorry.

A.K. etc

May I suggest the honoured ambassadors to the Harmonious Treefolk that there be procedures for the decommissioning of the remaining landmines? May I suggest making the military of member states disarm those landmines? (although they should work together if they wish)

May I suggest the honoured ambassadors to the Harmonious Treefolk that there be procedures for the decommissioning of the remaining landmines? May I suggest making the military of member states disarm those landmines? (although they should work together if they wish)

Yes, those are good ideas for addition to this resolution, Ambassador Berlin. However, we had been half-joking in that resolution just to point out some of the unnecessary complexity in the original resolution under discussion. If we should choose to start drafting this resolution in earnest, we should create another forum for that drafting.

What say you? Shall we start drafting this thing starting with such a simple structure to start with?

Absolutely, and the same should go for banning napalm (OOC, the effects of it in Vietnam as horrible and serves as inspiration) and cluster bombs (OOC, now widely banned).

Hmm...this is a piece of legistlation that would be worth making. Okay, we will take that half-serious piece of legislation we posted before and work it into a serious draft. We will post it for revision and debate within the next day or two. ((OOC: work schedules are crazy, so cannot pin down a time for sure))

I look forward to your input, Ambassador Berlin, as well as the input of any others who would aid us.